Guest guest Posted May 24, 2004 Report Share Posted May 24, 2004 Hi Salvador, & All, Salvador, am I correct that your AP concept aims to: (a) identify the Channel at the root of the Qi (energetic) problem, (b) classify it as Xu or Shi, and © needle to Supplement (Bu) in Xu and Drain/Sedate (Xie) in Shi? If so, I can agree with you up to that point. However, IMO, AP is much more than this. It has evolved from general concepts of TCM over thousands of years. I have no intent to annoy or flame you in this mail. My aim is to raise questions for discussion of what is, or is not, essential for effective AP Dx and practice, and where does mainstream AP fit in the very wide vista of , and Integrative Medicine. For some time now, Salvador’s mails have put great importance on his own Channel Qi AP System, which seems to use date of birth as a key component in diagnosing the root Xu/Shi imbalance. The date of birth concept seems more like astrology to me. It may have some little part to play in patterns of susceptibility to disease, but I have seen no satisfactory evidence in AP/TCM texts, or any other reliable source, to justify its use. I wish that I could be as certain as Salvador seems to be as regards its clinical value. Perhaps he might discuss his views on that, and the sources of those views? What are the names of those books? I would appreciate the references. I understood that the Law of Change is ultimate Law (if not the ONLY Absolute Law) in TCM. Change implies reaction to variable external and internal circumstances. Change/reaction/adaptation, per se, implies UNCERTAINTY of prediction. I wish that I had Salvador’s degree of certainty in my therapies, but I have not. All I see is uncertainty and the need for constant study, not only of AP but of medical principles and life sciences research in general. AP has evolved from general concepts of TCM over thousands of years. IMO, diagnostic and therapeutic aspects of AP must address far more than concepts of Xu-Shi. Apart from those concepts, AP embraces the classical concepts of the Vital Substances (Qi-Xue, Ying-Wei, Jin-Ye (Fluids), Jing-Essence, etc), Phlegm, Eight Principles (Yin-Yang, Shi-Xu, Hot-Cold, External- Internal), Six Levels, concepts of Stagnation/Stasis/Accumulation (Qi, Xue, Food, Fluids, Phlegm), Bi (Obstruction), trauma, parasitism, etc. Though Cookbook AP can use classical points (Mother-Son, Shu- Mu, Yuan-Luo, Horary, Xi-Cleft, Local + Distant, etc.), AP in complex cases requires skilled use of TCM Theory. It must address Syndromes/Patterns of disease, including use of AP points to Move Qi-Xue, Move Stasis, Clear Heat, Warm Cold, Release Exterior, Warm Interior, Expel Wind / Cold / Damp, Clear Phlegm, Free Water / Promote Urination (Diuretic), etc, etc. IMO, a Chinese Art Gallery might be a useful metaphor to allow us to discuss the relationship of AP to Chinese Integrative Medicine. This hypothetical Gallery is huge, spread over several hectares. It is designed beautifully to incorporate gardens, ponds, streams, woodland and hills. It has many Exhibition Halls, each with dozens or hundreds of Masterpieces in their own right. The Exhibition Halls are laid out in five main Sections that cover most aspects of Chinese Integrative Medicine: (1) Chinese Medical Theory & Diagnostics – Ancient & Modern: This is an amazing Orientation Hall to set the scene. It covers everything from basic Yin-Yang & Qi-Xue theory to computerized expert systems of western medicine. It covers Another area covers Diagnostics, from Shamanistic Divination to tongue, face and Pulse Diagnosis, Root & Branch principles, Syndrome/Pattern Differentiation, automated screening for cancer markers, Computerised Pulse Traces, whole-body IR & EMF scanning, MRI and Kirlian photography, etc. (2) Chinese Herbal Medicine (CHM) – Ancient & Modern: This occupies >80% of the total Exhibition space. It covers the history of HM, harvesting and preparation of crude herbs, preparation of formulas, modern methods of extraction & QC, herb & formula indications, advanced research, including fingerprinting of the active ingredients in herbal remedies, Biotech applications in identifying, in-vitro and in- vivo testing for possible efficacy, synthesizing active components, etc. (3) Acupuncture – Ancient & Modern: This covers everything from mainstream Body AP, Five Element AP, Microzone AP (Ear, Nose, Forehead, Hand, Footzone, Metacarpal, Korean Hand AP, etc), ECIWO, etc; from primitive bamboo & flint techniques to needle-less AP using Qigong. (4) Acupuncture-related techniques– Ancient & Modern: Electro-AP, laser, ultrasound, microwave, point-injection (saline, Impletol, homeo-AP, etc), moxa, Chinese Physiotherapy * Manipulative methods, Guasha, Massage, Tuina, Taiqi, etc.(1) (5) Chinese Integrative Medicine: This evolving development combines the best from other Chinese medical modalities with the best of modern medical (oriental medical + WM) techniques. It embraces the best of all systems, including surgery and microsurgery, intensive care, pharmacology, physiology, nutrition, psychology, etc. It recognizes that expert psychiatrists may not be expert herbalists and vice- versa, expert surgeons may not be expert acupuncturists and vice-versa. It expects that experts in each area will cooperate as full team players, of equal professional status, and with mutual respect between those in the different areas of expertise. That part of the Exhibition is mind-blowing, if not idealistic and unattainable. But, who knows what the future will hold? We spend several days admiring and assessing each exhibit in the Gallery. Having seen all of the exhibits, we are heading out the door in silence and awe, when we notice two vans parked outside the delivery entrance. One driver is carrying an exhibit entitled “Revolutionary AP – The patented system of Dr. X”. The other is carrying one with the intriguing title: “Biotech Synthetic Active Ingredients - Panaceas to replace Chinese Herbal Medicine, patented by Dr. Y” Curious, we follow the drivers back into the Exhibition Halls. Under instruction from the Curator, both drivers deposit their unopened exhibits carefully in tiny alcoves off the main AP and CHM Halls. The Curator tells us that it will be a day or so before they can be mounted for exhibition. As it is getting late, must leave but maybe we will get to see them tomorrow … Or, maybe, if we return to the Gallery after hundreds of years of independent testing, and cross testing with WM and mainstream AP & CHM, we may see that the concepts of Drs. X and Y occupy much space in the main Exhibition Halls. Somehow, I doubt it. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> My paraphrase of Salvador’s last note on Damp & Diet is: Damp is a generalised term. For example, I found that SP Xu people can get athlete's foot but SP Shi people are more likely to have symptoms of body heaviness and mouth herpes. TCM books say that SP Xu can induce excess symptoms of Damp. A difference between the TCM books and me is that my Channel Qi AP System can diagnose categorically the root disharmony to which a patient will be prone. This is powerful stuff; by knowing with certainty what makes an individual tick (in an AP sense), I can then make realistic observations which are not based on hand me down theory. In practical terms at the end of the day, if I diagnose a deficiency I will tonify points on that Channel (turn needles clockwise and remove). If I diagnose an excess Channel I will sedate (turn the needles anticlockwise and leave in). All theories in terms of AP comes down to choosing points and whether the needles are turned clockwise, anticlockwise or even . TCM is focussed on patterns, I am focused on Channels, and use patterns to highlight the interplay of Root and Branches. For me the Channel is either in excess or deficient (Shi or Xu). I have verified these findings over many years and countless patients (i.e. people get better). And so far, in my practical experimentation, people w root SP Xu show consistent traits, just as much as those w SP Shi. The picture is invariably complicated because people rarely are just Xu or Shi in a single Root Channel, so one must note the variables. So your question is hard for me to answer. IMO, in a person w SP Xu I would not sedate (insert any needles anticlockwise) because when I did this in the past, I exacerbated or created symptoms. Also, I have noted that people w Root SP Xu feel better for eating bananas. Salvador >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Best regards, Email: < WORK : Teagasc Research Management, Sandymount Ave., Dublin 4, Ireland Mobile: 353-; [in the Republic: 0] HOME : 1 Esker Lawns, Lucan, Dublin, Ireland Tel : 353-; [in the Republic: 0] WWW : http://homepage.eircom.net/~progers/searchap.htm Chinese Proverb: " Man who says it can't be done, should not interrupt man doing it " Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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