Guest guest Posted May 21, 2004 Report Share Posted May 21, 2004 Hi, does any of the group have experience on helping to clear Damp Heat/Damp Cold conditions (particularly in the 3 Jiaos) through dietary advice? Apart from the usual recommended avoidance of dairy, eggs, bananas, beer etc, does anyone actively advise patients to eat specific foods to assist the acu/herbal treatment in helping their condition? (For example, turnip helps clear phlegm in upper jiao, and so on.) How much of a role do others feel that diet plays in their client's recovery? Does anyone tailor compose individual dietary plans for their patients to enhance their treatment? I personally feel that the subject of diet is often underplayed in treatment. Any thoughts would be appreciated. Kate Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 21, 2004 Report Share Posted May 21, 2004 Hi Kate, Food that " dry dampness " are often bitter and/or aromatic; such as lettuce, celery, turnip, rye,corn, aduki bean, wild blue-green micro-algua, asparagus, white pepper, alfalfa,pumpkin, vinegar, papaya, raw honey and bitter herbs: chamomille is good I've heard. Raw goat milk is the only diary product which will not usually promote dampness. And as you mentioned avoid dairy products, meat, eggs, tofu, other soy products, pineapple, salt and concentrated sweeteners, as the all promote dampness. I feel too that diet isn't always given an important enough place in treatment; but I know how hard it is to get patients to change their diets or actually even realise what they actually eat!. Hope that helps a bit. Regards May On 21/5/04 10:14 am, " kate " <littlesoul22 wrote: > Hi, does any of the group have experience on helping to clear Damp > Heat/Damp Cold conditions (particularly in the 3 Jiaos) through > dietary advice? > > Apart from the usual recommended avoidance of dairy, eggs, bananas, > beer etc, does anyone actively advise patients to eat specific foods > to assist the acu/herbal treatment in helping their condition? (For > example, turnip helps clear phlegm in upper jiao, and so on.) > > How much of a role do others feel that diet plays in their client's > recovery? Does anyone tailor compose individual dietary plans for > their patients to enhance their treatment? > > I personally feel that the subject of diet is often underplayed in > treatment. Any thoughts would be appreciated. > > Kate Membership requires that you do not post any commerical, swear, religious, > spam messages,flame another member or swear. > > > http://babel.altavista.com/ > > > and adjust > accordingly. > > If you , it takes a few days for the messages to stop being > delivered. > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 22, 2004 Report Share Posted May 22, 2004 Hi May, Thanks for your suggestions, all useful (I wonder why pineapple in particular promotes damp? - sweet? subtropical?). I think herbal teas such as chamomile are a good place to start. I personally use nettle tea a lot - although it doesn't quite have the same kick as coffee! When you say 'raw' goats milk - i presume you mean 'unpasteurised'? A little hard to come by i imagine! Thanks again, Kate Chinese Medicine , May Lucken <maylucken@q...> wrote: > Hi Kate, > > Food that " dry dampness " are often bitter and/or aromatic; such as lettuce, > celery, turnip, rye,corn, aduki bean, wild blue-green micro-algua, > asparagus, white pepper, alfalfa,pumpkin, vinegar, papaya, raw honey and > bitter herbs: chamomille is good I've heard. Raw goat milk is the only diary > product which will not usually promote dampness. > And as you mentioned avoid dairy products, meat, eggs, tofu, other soy > products, pineapple, salt and concentrated sweeteners, as the all promote > dampness. > > I feel too that diet isn't always given an important enough place in > treatment; but I know how hard it is to get patients to change their diets > or actually even realise what they actually eat!. > > Hope that helps a bit. > > Regards > > May > > On 21/5/04 10:14 am, " kate " <littlesoul22@h...> wrote: > > > Hi, does any of the group have experience on helping to clear Damp > > Heat/Damp Cold conditions (particularly in the 3 Jiaos) through > > dietary advice? > > > > Apart from the usual recommended avoidance of dairy, eggs, bananas, > > beer etc, does anyone actively advise patients to eat specific foods > > to assist the acu/herbal treatment in helping their condition? (For > > example, turnip helps clear phlegm in upper jiao, and so on.) > > > > How much of a role do others feel that diet plays in their client's > > recovery? Does anyone tailor compose individual dietary plans for > > their patients to enhance their treatment? > > > > I personally feel that the subject of diet is often underplayed in > > treatment. Any thoughts would be appreciated. > > > > Kate > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Membership requires that you do not post any commerical, swear, religious, > > spam messages,flame another member or swear. > > > > To translate this message, copy and paste it into this web link page, > > http://babel.altavista.com/ > > > > > > and adjust > > accordingly. > > > > If you , it takes a few days for the messages to stop being > > delivered. > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 22, 2004 Report Share Posted May 22, 2004 Kate I agree with you that diet is underplayed. Personally, I feel that diet is often the root cause of much illness. Good nutrition is essential for good health. I give my patients a diet sheet which tells them which foods to avoid and which to include to reduce damp. Not everyone follows the advice, but most of those that do have great improvement in phlegm and damp symptoms, particularly sinus problems. Bananas are the most popular fruit in the UK and just stopping their consumption makes a substantial difference. I also suggest foods to help with blood deficiency and harmonise the liver. regards Susie > Message: 1 > Fri, 21 May 2004 09:14:55 -0000 > " kate " <littlesoul22 > Damp and Diet > > Hi, does any of the group have experience on helping to clear Damp > Heat/Damp Cold conditions (particularly in the 3 Jiaos) through > dietary advice? > > Apart from the usual recommended avoidance of dairy, eggs, bananas, > beer etc, does anyone actively advise patients to eat specific foods > to assist the acu/herbal treatment in helping their condition? (For > example, turnip helps clear phlegm in upper jiao, and so on.) > > How much of a role do others feel that diet plays in their client's > recovery? Does anyone tailor compose individual dietary plans for > their patients to enhance their treatment? > > I personally feel that the subject of diet is often underplayed in > treatment. Any thoughts would be appreciated. > > Kate > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 22, 2004 Report Share Posted May 22, 2004 So,,, is this anything that could be explained a little further? It sounds like just the thing to do, but I have no idea how it is done. TIA, Chris In a message dated 5/22/2004 10:54:01 AM Eastern Daylight Time, rfinkelstein writes: As an aside, my wife and I have learned to " eat qi " (from our qigong studies) which allows us to maintain a pretty healthy diet with spending too much money. :-) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 22, 2004 Report Share Posted May 22, 2004 Susie, Any chance you would be willing to post the lists on this site? thanks. kathleen Susie Parkinson <susie wrote: Kate I agree with you that diet is underplayed. Personally, I feel that diet is often the root cause of much illness. Good nutrition is essential for good health. I give my patients a diet sheet which tells them which foods to avoid and which to include to reduce damp. Not everyone follows the advice, but most of those that do have great improvement in phlegm and damp symptoms, particularly sinus problems. Bananas are the most popular fruit in the UK and just stopping their consumption makes a substantial difference. I also suggest foods to help with blood deficiency and harmonise the liver. regards Susie > Message: 1 > Fri, 21 May 2004 09:14:55 -0000 > " kate " <littlesoul22 > Damp and Diet > > Hi, does any of the group have experience on helping to clear Damp > Heat/Damp Cold conditions (particularly in the 3 Jiaos) through > dietary advice? > > Apart from the usual recommended avoidance of dairy, eggs, bananas, > beer etc, does anyone actively advise patients to eat specific foods > to assist the acu/herbal treatment in helping their condition? (For > example, turnip helps clear phlegm in upper jiao, and so on.) > > How much of a role do others feel that diet plays in their client's > recovery? Does anyone tailor compose individual dietary plans for > their patients to enhance their treatment? > > I personally feel that the subject of diet is often underplayed in > treatment. Any thoughts would be appreciated. > > Kate > > > > > Membership requires that you do not post any commerical, swear, religious, spam messages,flame another member or swear. http://babel.altavista.com/ and adjust accordingly. If you , it takes a few days for the messages to stop being delivered. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 22, 2004 Report Share Posted May 22, 2004 Chinese Medicine , " Susie Parkinson " <susie@p...> wrote: > Kate > I agree with you that diet is underplayed. Personally, I feel that diet is > often the root cause of much illness. Good nutrition is essential for good > health. I give my patients a diet sheet which tells them which foods to > avoid and which to include to reduce damp. Not everyone follows the advice, > but most of those that do have great improvement in phlegm and damp > symptoms, particularly sinus problems. Bananas are the most popular fruit > in the UK and just stopping their consumption makes a substantial > difference. > I also suggest foods to help with blood deficiency and harmonise the liver. > regards > Susie ------------------- Hi, let me apologise up front for my uncertain use of commas, throughout my writtings I have never really got the hang of it. It was only the other day that my 12yrs old son told me, in a way that I just about make sense of, how to use them. So for now, its'commas everywhere )). There is no doubt that we are what we eat and that food, is not only fuel, but the building blocks required for regeneration. It is also true that every organic substance absorved by the human body has the ability to affect the human system. Wether that effect is for good or ill will depend on the individual. so..a person with an excess SP disharmony will exacerbate their condition by ingesting bananas. However, I belive it to be also true, that a person with a Deficient SP disharmony, will benefit from eating an organically grown and naturally ripened banana. A person with Excess LIV disharmony will find tomatoes very beneficial but a person with a Def LIV disharmony will not. In my opinion diet is seldom the root cause of illness. Rather it is the existential crisis of being a 3 brained human being (intellect, feeling, body) and our difficulty in integrating them all. Put another way it is our struggle to fully feel the whole gamut of our feelings when under the constraints of out family, social and cultural mental conditioning that is behind most illneses. And yet there is no doubt that diet plays an important part and people do make themselves very sick through overeating of processed foods. This is not surprising, as processing, separates the inherent Yin / Yang balance found in natural foods. When I look around at food addictions, invariably it is the process foods one overindulges in,loses the power to discriminate over, and gets addicted to. I've yet to meet any one capable of overconsuming raw sugar cane. Whilst on the subject, let me digress for a moment to the subject of candida as there seems, IMO, to be a fair amount of confusion out there. Fungal spores are everywhere yet not everyone has candida (this could bet true for a great many illnesses). It is my beleif that a proportion of people will, through their inherent propensity to certain types of imbalances (Root), develop after a certain period of stress, a Ph imbalance in their intestines. If this is true, then whatever bacteria thrived in there, will now evolve or die. and whatever bacteria or fungus can thrive in this new more acidic environment will take over. It wont make a damm bit of diference how many millions of friendly bacteria the patient ingests to repopulate the intestines unless the Ph. balance is altered. Fortunately we can easily do this by effectively treating the patient (Root). For as we alter the environment to a more alkaline Ph. so the Fungus will no longer thrive and the friendly bacteria which also exists in as much profusion, will again repopulate the once again friendly environment. salvador http://meridian-qi-acupuncture.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 22, 2004 Report Share Posted May 22, 2004 Yummy. ;-)) I know this is an excellent way to supplement our bodies. I am not a regular at chi gong, but the few minutes of eating qi I just tried was very strengthening. I tend towards qi deficiency, so I think this will be part of my life from now on. Thanks, Chris In a message dated 5/22/2004 1:09:58 PM Eastern Daylight Time, rfinkelstein writes: Hi Chris, > > So,,, is this anything that could be explained a little further? It > sounds like just the thing to do, but I have no idea how it is done. > > TIA, > Chris I am happy to try to explain it, but my words may be incomplete, so if you have any firther questions, please feel free to ask. The fundamental concept is that all foods are different forms of " commpressed " qi (i.e. different vibrational frequencies) and that one form of qi is as good as another. :-) So with our minds, we can " create " compressed qi that can be used as " food " . One of the things Julie and I practice is Qigong " whole body " breathing. This is a feeling of breathing through every pore of the body - not just the nose or mouth. We practice " natural " (Buddhist) and " reverse " (Daoist) breathing. When we breathe like this, we feel the qi entering into the body and we can use our Mind Intent to " compress " this qi into our energy center - the dantien/kidney area. This compressed energy serves as " food " for the body. We can also use our Mind Intent to " eat qi " in our mouth (imagining a nice meal of vegetables :-) ), warm it up in our mouths and gently swallow it. It also is another way to add compressed energy into our body. Using these two methods, Julie and I learned how to " eat qi " which more or less substituted for compressed foods. The advantage is that qi in this form is very easy for the body to assimilate (no energy required) and it gives the body organs a chance to relax and get rid of any " junk " that may have accumulated, e,g, damp, tension, etc. From my experience, it is more than adequate. I never really feel hungry when I am " eating qi " , but I do need water and of course need to breathe. :-) I'll eat vegetable soup or a fruit (e.g. apple) when I get bored. I'll eat more just to " feed " the " hunger " that my body has for different " tastes " . I find that boredom is not very good for the body and it does enjoy different " tastes " which is probably the primary reason the body enjoys eating different foods. It is interesting, and I am enjoying the process of learning about " eating qi " . I have practiced Taiji and qigong for 15 years, and there are always new discoveries. My qigong teacher/doctor has introduced me to many new things. He has fasted ( " eaten qi " ) for over 30 days with very positive effects. One thing more, it helps when you do it with some one. The " supportive qi " definitely makes the learning process easier and more fun. If you decide to engage and you need someone, just let me know. I will " eat qi " with you for a day - and have a nice apple during the day to enjoy it more. I found that biting into a single apple and observing it, one can feel all of the qi being released. Hope this helps explain and --- Bon Appetit! :-) Regards, Rich Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 22, 2004 Report Share Posted May 22, 2004 Hi Salvador, > In my opinion diet is seldom the root cause of illness. Rather it is > the existential crisis of being a 3 brained human being (intellect, > feeling, body) and our difficulty in integrating them all. Put > another way it is our struggle to fully feel the whole gamut of our > feelings when under the constraints of out family, social and > cultural mental conditioning that is behind most illneses. > I have the same perspective. In addition, I have found that trying to " self-manage " (or balance) the body using the Mind often leads to results that are contrary to expectations. So I have seen people become so worried about their diet and what they eat that they further exassperate the situation by damaging their spleen (from worry) - which in turn causes more damp. I think Bob Flaws'book " The Tao of Healthy Eating " outlines a very simple approach to eating - e.g., eat cooked foods in moderation, avoid coffee, eat veggies and grains - and not to worry about it :-). As an aside, my wife and I have learned to " eat qi " (from our qigong studies) which allows us to maintain a pretty healthy diet with spending too much money. :-) The idea being that all food is " qi " , in different forms of compression, so why not eat it directly? :-) As a result, I lost 15 pounds in 2 weeks without effort. My wife lost 10 pounds. The biggest problem was what to do with all the time we use to spend eating? :-) It is pretty interesting. What I personally discovered was that eating quantities of food was more of a " daily activity " than a physical necessity. A way to " pass time " with family, friends or just something to do when alone. It is interesting the type of activities the Mind will conjure up in order to pass time - e.g. the Internet. :-) Regards, Rich Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 22, 2004 Report Share Posted May 22, 2004 Hi Chris, > > So,,, is this anything that could be explained a little further? It > sounds like just the thing to do, but I have no idea how it is done. > > TIA, > Chris I am happy to try to explain it, but my words may be incomplete, so if you have any firther questions, please feel free to ask. The fundamental concept is that all foods are different forms of " commpressed " qi (i.e. different vibrational frequencies) and that one form of qi is as good as another. :-) So with our minds, we can " create " compressed qi that can be used as " food " . One of the things Julie and I practice is Qigong " whole body " breathing. This is a feeling of breathing through every pore of the body - not just the nose or mouth. We practice " natural " (Buddhist) and " reverse " (Daoist) breathing. When we breathe like this, we feel the qi entering into the body and we can use our Mind Intent to " compress " this qi into our energy center - the dantien/kidney area. This compressed energy serves as " food " for the body. We can also use our Mind Intent to " eat qi " in our mouth (imagining a nice meal of vegetables :-) ), warm it up in our mouths and gently swallow it. It also is another way to add compressed energy into our body. Using these two methods, Julie and I learned how to " eat qi " which more or less substituted for compressed foods. The advantage is that qi in this form is very easy for the body to assimilate (no energy required) and it gives the body organs a chance to relax and get rid of any " junk " that may have accumulated, e,g, damp, tension, etc. From my experience, it is more than adequate. I never really feel hungry when I am " eating qi " , but I do need water and of course need to breathe. :-) I'll eat vegetable soup or a fruit (e.g. apple) when I get bored. I'll eat more just to " feed " the " hunger " that my body has for different " tastes " . I find that boredom is not very good for the body and it does enjoy different " tastes " which is probably the primary reason the body enjoys eating different foods. It is interesting, and I am enjoying the process of learning about " eating qi " . I have practiced Taiji and qigong for 15 years, and there are always new discoveries. My qigong teacher/doctor has introduced me to many new things. He has fasted ( " eaten qi " ) for over 30 days with very positive effects. One thing more, it helps when you do it with some one. The " supportive qi " definitely makes the learning process easier and more fun. If you decide to engage and you need someone, just let me know. I will " eat qi " with you for a day - and have a nice apple during the day to enjoy it more. I found that biting into a single apple and observing it, one can feel all of the qi being released. Hope this helps explain and --- Bon Appetit! :-) Regards, Rich Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 22, 2004 Report Share Posted May 22, 2004 Hi Kate. I'm not sure why pineapple promotes damp. Found this list in a book I have called " Healing with whole foods " by Paul Pitchford. Raw goat milk I guess is unpasteurised. I think herbal tea is an esay way to go. As other herbs they mentioned as well pau d'arco and chapparal (larrea divaricata). May On 22/5/04 9:24 am, " kate " <littlesoul22 wrote: > Hi May, Thanks for your suggestions, all useful (I wonder why > pineapple in particular promotes damp? - sweet? subtropical?). > > I think herbal teas such as chamomile are a good place to start. I > personally use nettle tea a lot - although it doesn't quite have the > same kick as coffee! When you say 'raw' goats milk - i presume you > mean 'unpasteurised'? A little hard to come by i imagine! > > Thanks again, > Kate > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 22, 2004 Report Share Posted May 22, 2004 LOL. :-) Hi Chris, Yes, that is pretty much it. I just chew on some qi whenever. I eat qi while I am walking or sitting. I eat qi while I am giving Tuina/qigong bodywork. Just a little here and a little there and the body becomes satisified and then I just eat less " compressed qi " (food) during the day. It does wonders for the body system. My guess is that this is what people in ancient times did when food was not so plentiful. But nowadays we love to " eat " , because it gives us something to do - so we eat a lot when actually there is more enjoyment in just a little. :-) Enjoy your qi dinner! Best regards, Rich Chinese Medicine , Musiclear@a... wrote: > > Yummy. ;-)) > > I know this is an excellent way to supplement our bodies. I am not a > regular at chi gong, but the few minutes of eating qi I just tried was very > strengthening. I tend towards qi deficiency, so I think this will be part of my > life from now on. > > Thanks, > > Chris > > > In a message dated 5/22/2004 1:09:58 PM Eastern Daylight Time, > rfinkelstein@a... writes: > Hi Chris, > > > > > > So,,, is this anything that could be explained a little further? > It > > sounds like just the thing to do, but I have no idea how it is done. > > > > TIA, > > Chris > > I am happy to try to explain it, but my words may be incomplete, so if > you have any firther questions, please feel free to ask. > > The fundamental concept is that all foods are different forms of > " commpressed " qi (i.e. different vibrational frequencies) and that one > form of qi is as good as another. :-) So with our minds, we can > " create " compressed qi that can be used as " food " . > > One of the things Julie and I practice is Qigong " whole body " > breathing. This is a feeling of breathing through every pore of the > body - not just the nose or mouth. We practice " natural " (Buddhist) > and " reverse " (Daoist) breathing. When we breathe like this, we feel > the qi entering into the body and we can use our Mind Intent to > " compress " this qi into our energy center - the dantien/kidney area. > This compressed energy serves as " food " for the body. > > We can also use our Mind Intent to " eat qi " in our mouth (imagining a > nice meal of vegetables :-) ), warm it up in our mouths and gently > swallow it. It also is another way to add compressed energy into our > body. > > Using these two methods, Julie and I learned how to " eat qi " which > more or less substituted for compressed foods. The advantage is that > qi in this form is very easy for the body to assimilate (no energy > required) and it gives the body organs a chance to relax and get rid > of any " junk " that may have accumulated, e,g, damp, tension, etc. > > From my experience, it is more than adequate. I never really feel > hungry when I am " eating qi " , but I do need water and of course need > to breathe. :-) I'll eat vegetable soup or a fruit (e.g. apple) when I > get bored. I'll eat more just to " feed " the " hunger " that my body has > for different " tastes " . I find that boredom is not very good for the > body and it does enjoy different " tastes " which is probably the > primary reason the body enjoys eating different foods. > > It is interesting, and I am enjoying the process of learning about > " eating qi " . I have practiced Taiji and qigong for 15 years, and there > are always new discoveries. My qigong teacher/doctor has introduced me > to many new things. He has fasted ( " eaten qi " ) for over 30 days with > very positive effects. > > One thing more, it helps when you do it with some one. The " supportive > qi " definitely makes the learning process easier and more fun. If you > decide to engage and you need someone, just let me know. I will " eat > qi " with you for a day - and have a nice apple during the day to enjoy > it more. I found that biting into a single apple and observing it, one > can feel all of the qi being released. Hope this helps explain and --- > Bon Appetit! :-) > > Regards, > Rich > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 24, 2004 Report Share Posted May 24, 2004 >>>Yummy. ;-)) I know this is an excellent way to supplement our bodies. I am not a regular at chi gong, but the few minutes of eating qi I just tried was very strengthening. I tend towards qi deficiency, so I think this will be part of my life from now on. Thanks, Chris In a message dated 5/22/2004 1:09:58 PM Eastern Daylight Time, rfinkelstein writes: Hi Chris, > So,,, is this anything that could be explained a little further? It > sounds like just the thing to do, but I have no idea how it is done. > > TIA, > Chris<<< Hi Susie, Kate, Kathleen, Rich, Salvador, Chris, and all, That was very inspirational! There is much that one can gain from properly " ingesting " Qi, and the advantages associated with meditation and exercise. That being said, IMHO, there is also tremendous healing potential in a deliciously balanced meal, enjoyed by oneself or in the company of friends or family. I must admit that I look forward to my – usually – three meals, with great anticipation, and with saliva-, bile-, and enzyme-producing joy and excitement. Since moving to " Greater China " , meaning Taiwan and Mainland China, four years ago, I have been striving to include as many foods into my diet as practically feasible, so as to provide my body with as many nutrients as possible. Those meals are often lengthy, either due to stimulating conversations or, if eating alone, due to reading a passage (by Li Dong Yuan, Lin Yu Tang, Flaws, etc.) between succulent dishes, and sips of delicious Shaoxing Wine. A waste of valuable time? I don't think so. As we discussed before, a healthful and balanced diet (and lifestyle) must form the foundation of any treatment plan that is designed to promote healing, and ultimately will result in homeostasis. Also, give some thoughts to hormones, pesticides, herbicides, food additives, MSG, and other substances found in our foods and herbs, and advise pt to try to eat " cleaner " , as in locally grown, organic foods, as much as possible. And yet, don't freak them out with it! The idea is to lessen the " toxic load " , the work load, on the Lv, and therefore creating an environment conducive to healing, and an organism ready for tx with whatever modalities you choose. As other people have mentioned, a pt constantly worried about what and what not to eat will cause Sp disharmonies and exacerbate imbalances. Just some thoughts, Daniel Daniel C. Luthi, N.E., C.D.C., Nutritionist Global Training Institution 3-5 F, 27 Zhen Xing Zhong Road Tongxiang, Zhejiang Province, China Cell: 86 1311 681 8493 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 24, 2004 Report Share Posted May 24, 2004 Hi Daniel, > > Hi Susie, Kate, Kathleen, Rich, Salvador, Chris, and all, > > That was very inspirational! There is much that one can gain from > properly " ingesting " Qi, and the advantages associated with meditation > and exercise. That being said, IMHO, there is also tremendous healing > potential in a deliciously balanced meal, enjoyed by oneself or in the > company of friends or family. Point well taken. A good meal with friends is always good for the spirit! :-) > I must admit that I look forward to my – > usually – three meals, with great anticipation, and with saliva-, > bile-, and enzyme-producing joy and excitement. It is part of life and I agree it is something to be enjoyed. > between succulent dishes, and sips of delicious Shaoxing Wine. A waste of valuable time? I don't think so. > > As we discussed before, a healthful and balanced diet (and lifestyle) > must form the foundation of any treatment plan that is designed to > promote healing, and ultimately will result in homeostasis. I have larned that it can be part of a life - but not mandatory. Eating a little bit of food can be equally joyful. In fact, I have found that I find " more " in food when I eat less. The same with conversation. Lots of conversation can be good " food " as can " a little " bit. Each have their place in life. :-) To find " a lot " in a little " is as much part of life as finding " a little " in a lot. When I " eat qi " , I enjoy it because I learn more about the Mind, Spirit, and Breath. There is lots to be understood and discovered in this universe of ours. My wife LOVES to eat and never thought she could skip a meal - much less lots of meals. But now she eats qi anbd looks forward to what she finds in small meals - and in the process lost 15 pounds in 3 weeks. Given that so many cancers have been associated with " excess eating " (no surprise since excess eating uses lots of energy thereby encouraging eventual obstructions and stagnation in the body), one can say that eat little is as good as eating a lot. In all depends. Thank you for sharing with me your joy in eating. Delicious food cannot be beat! :-) Bon appetite! Rich Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 25, 2004 Report Share Posted May 25, 2004 For damp heat diseases, I have recommended adding barley (yi yi ren) to one's diet. Had a patient with stomach ulcer, round worms and chronic fatigue who was unable to eat anything without pain but found the barley quite nourishing and soothing to her stomach. Her tongue coating was improved quite soon after starting the regimen. Of course, she required lots of herbs and patience to finally heal completely but the barley kept her nourished and prepared her digestive system for the introduction of other foods. Good luck. Shanna There are 21 messages in this issue. Topics in this digest: 1. Re: Severe mood swings... Pete Theisen 2. Re: Herbalisation and methods of decoction Pete Theisen 3. RE: Damp and Diet " Susie Parkinson " 4. Re: RE: Damp and Diet Kathleen Mathews 5. Re: Damp and Diet " salvador_march " 6. Re: Damp and Diet " Rich " 7. Re: Re: Damp and Diet Musiclear 8. Re: Damp and Diet " Rich " 9. Re: Damp and Diet May Lucken 10. Re: Re: Damp and Diet Musiclear 11. Point and shoot an Email at Us Reps " ykcul_ritsym " 12. Methods of Decoction " East Dakota " 13. Re: Damp and Diet " Rich " 14. Re: Methods of Decoction " Rich " 15. need good ap article " Pam Price " 16. Re: Herbalisation and methods of decoction " John Aguilar, Jr. " 17. Re: Herbalisation and methods of decoction " John Aguilar, Jr. " 18. Re: Point and shoot an Email at Us Reps Pete Theisen 19. Re: need good ap article Pete Theisen 20. Re: Herbalisation and methods of decoction Pete Theisen 21. Re: need good ap article " Pam Price " ______________________ ______________________ Message: 1 Sat, 22 May 2004 03:09:18 -0400 Pete Theisen Re: Severe mood swings... Hi May! I recommend Earl Mindell's Vitamin Bible to all my patients. Good + cheap in paperback. At 08:24 AM 5/21/2004, you wrote: >Hi Pete, > >Thanks. Will try to see if she can afford to come that often. >Any ideas on diet (except the clear bland type)? Or vitamins? Or where can I >have a look? > >Thanks > >May Regards, Pete ______________________ ______________________ Message: 2 Sat, 22 May 2004 03:14:00 -0400 Pete Theisen Re: Herbalisation and methods of decoction Hi John! I have been seeing people on the cheap also: $32 for history/exam; $31 report of findings; $30 first treatment and then a dollar less each time until $25. When I tried to get better rates no one came. This is in Sarasota, FL. At 11:30 AM 5/21/2004, you wrote: >Hey Pete, > >For now, it'll be $20 for a 1/2 hour treatment. That's as cheap as I >could go and still make it feasible. It's located at the White Tiger >Center for Integrative Medicine in the Capitol Hill neighborhood of >Denver, Colorado. Regards, Pete ______________________ ______________________ Message: 3 Sat, 22 May 2004 12:02:29 +0100 " Susie Parkinson " RE: Damp and Diet Kate I agree with you that diet is underplayed. Personally, I feel that diet is often the root cause of much illness. Good nutrition is essential for good health. I give my patients a diet sheet which tells them which foods to avoid and which to include to reduce damp. Not everyone follows the advice, but most of those that do have great improvement in phlegm and damp symptoms, particularly sinus problems. Bananas are the most popular fruit in the UK and just stopping their consumption makes a substantial difference. I also suggest foods to help with blood deficiency and harmonise the liver. regards Susie > Message: 1 > Fri, 21 May 2004 09:14:55 -0000 > " kate " > Damp and Diet > > Hi, does any of the group have experience on helping to clear Damp > Heat/Damp Cold conditions (particularly in the 3 Jiaos) through > dietary advice? > > Apart from the usual recommended avoidance of dairy, eggs, bananas, > beer etc, does anyone actively advise patients to eat specific foods > to assist the acu/herbal treatment in helping their condition? (For > example, turnip helps clear phlegm in upper jiao, and so on.) > > How much of a role do others feel that diet plays in their client's > recovery? Does anyone tailor compose individual dietary plans for > their patients to enhance their treatment? > > I personally feel that the subject of diet is often underplayed in > treatment. Any thoughts would be appreciated. > > Kate > > > > > ______________________ ______________________ Message: 4 Sat, 22 May 2004 05:18:05 -0700 (PDT) Kathleen Mathews Re: RE: Damp and Diet Susie, Any chance you would be willing to post the lists on this site? thanks. kathleen Susie Parkinson wrote: Kate I agree with you that diet is underplayed. Personally, I feel that diet is often the root cause of much illness. Good nutrition is essential for good health. I give my patients a diet sheet which tells them which foods to avoid and which to include to reduce damp. Not everyone follows the advice, but most of those that do have great improvement in phlegm and damp symptoms, particularly sinus problems. Bananas are the most popular fruit in the UK and just stopping their consumption makes a substantial difference. I also suggest foods to help with blood deficiency and harmonise the liver. regards Susie > Message: 1 > Fri, 21 May 2004 09:14:55 -0000 > " kate " > Damp and Diet > > Hi, does any of the group have experience on helping to clear Damp > Heat/Damp Cold conditions (particularly in the 3 Jiaos) through > dietary advice? > > Apart from the usual recommended avoidance of dairy, eggs, bananas, > beer etc, does anyone actively advise patients to eat specific foods > to assist the acu/herbal treatment in helping their condition? (For > example, turnip helps clear phlegm in upper jiao, and so on.) > > How much of a role do others feel that diet plays in their client's > recovery? Does anyone tailor compose individual dietary plans for > their patients to enhance their treatment? > > I personally feel that the subject of diet is often underplayed in > treatment. Any thoughts would be appreciated. > > Kate > > > > > Membership requires that you do not post any commerical, swear, religious, spam messages,flame another member or swear. http://babel.altavista.com/ and adjust accordingly. If you , it takes a few days for the messages to stop being delivered. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 25, 2004 Report Share Posted May 25, 2004 Very good choice. Yi yi ren is also used widely in China as food for cancer patients. It is very good in congee, mixed with rice. On May 25, 2004, at 7:45 AM, Shanna Hickle wrote: > For damp heat diseases, I have recommended adding barley (yi yi ren) > to one's diet. Had a patient with stomach ulcer, round worms and > chronic fatigue who was unable to eat anything without pain but found > the barley quite nourishing and soothing to her stomach. Her tongue > coating was improved quite soon after starting the regimen. Of course, > she required lots of herbs and patience to finally heal completely but > the barley kept her nourished and prepared her digestive system for > the introduction of other foods. Good luck. Shanna Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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