Guest guest Posted May 19, 2004 Report Share Posted May 19, 2004 Hi Anand, Gabrielle, & All, I understand that there are at least two forms of urinotherapy: (a) oral, and (b) topical (local application). Apart from what is below, I know little of the exact techniques used, the indications, or the efficacy. (a) Urine (from oneself), drunk immediately after urination, or after a short boiling and cooling. [i suspect that when they are " on the town " , drinking the best whiskey in the world (Irish), some Irish friends of mine recycle their own urine because they do not want to waste a drop of the Liquid Gold!] (b) Urine applied directly to wounds, inflamed areas, eyes, athlete's foot, etc. [i have urinated on my toes and massaged urine between the toes for athletes foot; my results were dubious. I have often urinated on scratches and minor wounds (my own!!) that threatened to become infected, with impressive results]. © I also understand that powdered synthetic urea, or dried urine sediment, is used with great effect in ulcers and septic wounds, but I have no first-hand experience of that. TCM uses Renzhongbai ( " Man Middle White " ; Human Urine Sediment; Depositum / Sedimentum / Calamitas Urinae Hominis) is used. MY files have few details on it, only: Actions: Clear Heat; Clear Toxin; Resolve blockages / masses; Haemostat Nature: Neutral; Cold; Salty Channels entered: LV; TH; BL Can experts post details on the following for it: _Main Hb Class _Nature _Channel _TCM Actions _TCM Indication _Clinical Indications _Dose _Combinations w other Hbs _Cautions _Comments Would Anand, or others with first-hand experience of urinotherapy like to discuss their experiences? PS. Can experts comment similarly on Renzhonghuang ( " Man Middle Yellow " ; Human Faeces (+ ??Urine) + Powdered Licorice; Faeces (+ ??Urinae) Hominis + Pulvis Rx+Rz Glycyrrhizae. I have no details whatever on that. Best regards, Phil >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Re therapy of Macular Degeneration: Anand wrote: " do you know that people have benefitted from urine therapy for eye problems. if one wishes to try it, its quite simple. collect fresh urine , place in an eye glass & wsh your eyes . when washing the eyes make sure that the eye is open & move the eyeball from side to side & up & down at elast 10 times. this is recommended 4-6 times every day. if followed deligently, look for results as quickly as 4-6 weeks. it will not lead to a cure so soon. but the process will have started & the vision may change. thus you know youa re on the right track. if beneficial continue for a few months to a couple of years & you may have better vision. " Gabriele replied: " Dear Anand, I know (onto myself, too) that urinotherapy can be useful only for EXTERNAL eye problem, as conjunctivitis. Sorry, but I have some doubt about macular degeneration. Have you had any experience about that? " >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Best regards, Email: < WORK : Teagasc Research Management, Sandymount Ave., Dublin 4, Ireland Mobile: 353-; [in the Republic: 0] HOME : 1 Esker Lawns, Lucan, Dublin, Ireland Tel : 353-; [in the Republic: 0] WWW : http://homepage.eircom.net/~progers/searchap.htm Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 19, 2004 Report Share Posted May 19, 2004 Hi Phil wrote: > [i have urinated on my toes and massaged urine between the toes > for athletes foot; my results were dubious. I have noted on a number of patients now a relationship between athletes foot and a Deficient SP. At first I was a bit confused as I had been taught it was more likely to stag / excess. of course one can also get athletes foot from wrong tx but this is another story. P.S. I used to drink the stuff ((( the idea was first urine of the morning, discard the 1st and last third and drink the middle part. The theory being that a number of hormones essential to the body were released during sleep so one could recycle them. Was supposed to be good for cooling the system as a result of sexual trantric practices. Can't say I ever noticed. Not a good idea to have anything salty or pungent, improves your diet no end when you know you have to drink it An excellent exercise to move beyond a number of social taboos. But for health? ...Hummm... give me a Root treatment anyday. salvador http://www.meridian-qi-acupuncture.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 30, 2004 Report Share Posted May 30, 2004 Properties found below , " " <@e...> wrote: > Hi Anand, Gabrielle, & All, > > I understand that there are at least two forms of urinotherapy: > (a) oral, and > (b) topical (local application). > > Apart from what is below, I know little of the exact techniques > used, the indications, or the efficacy. > > (a) Urine (from oneself), drunk immediately after urination, or after a > short boiling and cooling. > > [i suspect that when they are " on the town " , drinking the best > whiskey in the world (Irish), some Irish friends of mine recycle their > own urine because they do not want to waste a drop of the Liquid > Gold!] > > (b) Urine applied directly to wounds, inflamed areas, eyes, athlete's > foot, etc. > > [i have urinated on my toes and massaged urine between the toes > for athletes foot; my results were dubious. I have often urinated on > scratches and minor wounds (my own!!) that threatened to become > infected, with impressive results]. > > © I also understand that powdered synthetic urea, or dried urine > sediment, is used with great effect in ulcers and septic wounds, > but I have no first-hand experience of that. > > TCM uses Renzhongbai ( " Man Middle White " ; Human Urine > Sediment; Depositum / Sedimentum / Calamitas Urinae Hominis) > is used. MY files have few details on it, only: > > Actions: Clear Heat; Clear Toxin; Resolve blockages / masses; > Haemostat > Nature: Neutral; Cold; Salty > Channels entered: LV; TH; BL > > Can experts post details on the following for it: > _Main Hb Class > _Nature > _Channel > _TCM Actions > _TCM Indication > _Clinical Indications > _Dose > _Combinations w other Hbs > _Cautions > _Comments > > Would Anand, or others with first-hand experience of urinotherapy > like to discuss their experiences? > > PS. Can experts comment similarly on Renzhonghuang ( " Man > Middle Yellow " ; Human Faeces (+ ??Urine) + Powdered Licorice; > Faeces (+ ??Urinae) Hominis + Pulvis Rx+Rz Glycyrrhizae. I have > no details whatever on that. > > Best regards, > Phil > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > Re therapy of Macular Degeneration: > > Anand wrote: > " do you know that people have benefitted from urine therapy for eye > problems. if one wishes to try it, its quite simple. collect fresh urine > , place in an eye glass & wsh your eyes . when washing the eyes > make sure that the eye is open & move the eyeball from side to > side & up & down at elast 10 times. this is recommended 4-6 > times every day. if followed deligently, look for results as quickly as > 4-6 weeks. it will not lead to a cure so soon. but the process will > have started & the vision may change. thus you know youa re on > the right track. if beneficial continue for a few months to a couple of > years & you may have better vision. " > > Gabriele replied: > " Dear Anand, I know (onto myself, too) that urinotherapy can be > useful only for EXTERNAL eye problem, as conjunctivitis. Sorry, > but I have some doubt about macular degeneration. Have you had > any experience about that? " > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > Best regards, > > Email: <@e...> > > WORK : Teagasc Research Management, Sandymount Ave., Dublin 4, Ireland > Mobile: 353-; [in the Republic: 0] > > HOME : 1 Esker Lawns, Lucan, Dublin, Ireland > Tel : 353-; [in the Republic: 0] Hey guys, Ren2 zhong1 bai2 Last week someone inquired about the TCM functions of ren zhong bai. Briefly, the information is as follows: Nature and Flavor: salty; cold. Channel Entry: lung, liver, urinary bladder. Actions and Indications: Ren zhong bai clears heat, downbears fire, and disperses stasis. It treats taxation heat, lung wilt, spontaneous external bleeding, spitting of blood, throat impediment, mouth and tongue sores, and gan (disease) of the teeth and gums. It may be used externally or internally; internal dose is 1–2 qian (3.7-7.4g). (source: zhong yao da zi dian) I've only seen it used in one application- in sore throat powders. It is not listed in any of the core textbooks in the modern PRC curriculum; this suggests that it is not a prominently used medicinal at this time. Ren2 zhong1 huang2 was also requested for more info: Ren2 zhong1 huang2 is indeed an ancient product prepared with licorice and human excrement. According to the zhong yao da ci dian, it is basically prepared by taking a jointed piece of thick bamboo, stuffing it with coarsely ground gan1 cao3 (licorice), and sealing the joint tightly with cloth. The licorice-filled bamboo joint is then soaked in a human excrement pit for 2-3 months; it is usually started in winter and removed in spring. Then the bamboo joint is soaked in clean water for 2-3 weeks, changing the water every day and completing the process when it is no longer malodorous. After drying, the bamboo is broken, and the licorice within is sundried before use. Flavor and nature: sweet; cold. Channel entry: heart, stomach. Actions and indications: clears heat, cools blood, resolves toxin. Ren2 zhong1 huang2 treats cold-damage febrile disease, great heat (effusion) and vexation-thirst, maculopapular eruption due to heat toxin, cinnabar toxin, and sores. Taken internally, 2-3 qian (7.4–11.1g) decocted in a cloth bag; or in powders and pills [hopefully sugar-coated pills!]. Personally, it doesn't sound like my first pick to employ, but whatever floats your boat……. Given various concerns about hygiene and compliance, there is little wonder why people nowadays stick to the more popular agents used in modern TCM. Still, it is an interesting historical medicine, so I have done my best to answer the questions posed by the more excretion-enthusiastic members of the group. > WWW : http://homepage.eircom.net/~progers/searchap.htm Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 30, 2004 Report Share Posted May 30, 2004 , " " <@e...> wrote: > Hi Anand, Gabrielle, & All, > > I understand that there are at least two forms of urinotherapy: > (a) oral, and > (b) topical (local application). > > Apart from what is below, I know little of the exact techniques > used, the indications, or the efficacy. > > (a) Urine (from oneself), drunk immediately after urination, or after a > short boiling and cooling. > > [i suspect that when they are " on the town " , drinking the best > whiskey in the world (Irish), some Irish friends of mine recycle their > own urine because they do not want to waste a drop of the Liquid > Gold!] > > (b) Urine applied directly to wounds, inflamed areas, eyes, athlete's > foot, etc. > > [i have urinated on my toes and massaged urine between the toes > for athletes foot; my results were dubious. I have often urinated on > scratches and minor wounds (my own!!) that threatened to become > infected, with impressive results]. > > © I also understand that powdered synthetic urea, or dried urine > sediment, is used with great effect in ulcers and septic wounds, > but I have no first-hand experience of that. > > TCM uses Renzhongbai ( " Man Middle White " ; Human Urine > Sediment; Depositum / Sedimentum / Calamitas Urinae Hominis) > is used. MY files have few details on it, only: > > Actions: Clear Heat; Clear Toxin; Resolve blockages / masses; > Haemostat > Nature: Neutral; Cold; Salty > Channels entered: LV; TH; BL > > Can experts post details on the following for it: > _Main Hb Class > _Nature > _Channel > _TCM Actions > _TCM Indication > _Clinical Indications > _Dose > _Combinations w other Hbs > _Cautions > _Comments > > Would Anand, or others with first-hand experience of urinotherapy > like to discuss their experiences? > > PS. Can experts comment similarly on Renzhonghuang ( " Man > Middle Yellow " ; Human Faeces (+ ??Urine) + Powdered Licorice; > Faeces (+ ??Urinae) Hominis + Pulvis Rx+Rz Glycyrrhizae. I have > no details whatever on that. > > Best regards, > Phil > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > Re therapy of Macular Degeneration: > > Anand wrote: > " do you know that people have benefitted from urine therapy for eye > problems. if one wishes to try it, its quite simple. collect fresh urine > , place in an eye glass & wsh your eyes . when washing the eyes > make sure that the eye is open & move the eyeball from side to > side & up & down at elast 10 times. this is recommended 4-6 > times every day. if followed deligently, look for results as quickly as > 4-6 weeks. it will not lead to a cure so soon. but the process will > have started & the vision may change. thus you know youa re on > the right track. if beneficial continue for a few months to a couple of > years & you may have better vision. " > > Gabriele replied: > " Dear Anand, I know (onto myself, too) that urinotherapy can be > useful only for EXTERNAL eye problem, as conjunctivitis. Sorry, > but I have some doubt about macular degeneration. Have you had > any experience about that? " > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > Best regards, > > Email: <@e...> > > WORK : Teagasc Research Management, Sandymount Ave., Dublin 4, Ireland > Mobile: 353-; [in the Republic: 0] > > HOME : 1 Esker Lawns, Lucan, Dublin, Ireland > Tel : 353-; [in the Republic: 0] > WWW : http://homepage.eircom.net/~progers/searchap.htm Hey All, Ren2 zhong1 bai2 Last week someone inquired about the TCM functions of ren zhong bai. Briefly, the information is as follows: Nature and Flavor: salty; cold. Channel Entry: lung, liver, urinary bladder. Actions and Indications: Ren zhong bai clears heat, downbears fire, and disperses stasis. It treats taxation heat, lung wilt, spontaneous external bleeding, spitting of blood, throat impediment, mouth and tongue sores, and gan (disease) of the teeth and gums. It may be used externally or internally; internal dose is 1–2 qian (3.7-7.4g). (source: zhong yao da zi dian) I've only seen it used in one application- in sore throat powders. It is not listed in any of the core textbooks in the modern PRC curriculum; this suggests that it is not a prominently used medicinal at this time. Ren2 zhong1 huang2 was also requested for more info: Ren2 zhong1 huang2 is indeed an ancient product prepared with licorice and human excrement. According to the zhong yao da ci dian, it is basically prepared by taking a jointed piece of thick bamboo, stuffing it with coarsely ground gan1 cao3 (licorice), and sealing the joint tightly with cloth. The licorice-filled bamboo joint is then soaked in a human excrement pit for 2-3 months; it is usually started in winter and removed in spring. Then the bamboo joint is soaked in clean water for 2-3 weeks, changing the water every day and completing the process when it is no longer malodorous. After drying, the bamboo is broken, and the licorice within is sundried before use. Flavor and nature: sweet; cold. Channel entry: heart, stomach. Actions and indications: clears heat, cools blood, resolves toxin. Ren2 zhong1 huang2 treats cold-damage febrile disease, great heat (effusion) and vexation-thirst, maculopapular eruption due to heat toxin, cinnabar toxin, and sores. Taken internally, 2-3 qian (7.4–11.1g) decocted in a cloth bag; or in powders and pills [hopefully sugar-coated pills!]. Personally, it doesn't sound like my first pick to employ, but whatever floats your boat……. Given various concerns about hygiene and compliance, there is little wonder why people nowadays stick to the more popular agents used in modern TCM. Still, it is an interesting historical medicine, so I have done my best to answer the questions posed by the more excretion-enthusiastic members of the group. Eric Brand Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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