A sincere -apology- that may change all our lives.

[Guest guest]

OK, so someone takes their kid to WM hospital and is found to have a rare

form of cancer.

The parents decide to go to the TCM hospital for treatment.

The parents are brought up on charges of endangering the life of a minor

and the kid is taken away.

Kid goes to foster care and is forced to have radical WM treatment anyway.

Later, kid was found to not have cancer in the first place, but WM is

congratulated for taking such great care with the important life of a kid.

 

The western guys have way to much power.

 

It is their way, or else.

 

If you do treatment that contradicts the WM guys, there will be hell to

pay.

 

What is needed is to have the fact that WM for chronic symptoms is a

dangerous costly money making machine and have the power to control the public

taken away.

 

We can do this by educating congress and get them to enact laws that

require disclosure of safer less expensive treatments than drugs, where

applicable. We can document treatments tha are applicable.

 

In a time when both state and federal Government is looking for a way to

save money for health care, this is not to far off to think about.

 

Chris

 

 

In a message dated 5/15/2004 3:03:47 PM Eastern Daylight Time,

ykcul_ritsym writes:

I would like to see tcm hospitals alongside wm hospitals and let the public

choose.

 

 

 

[Guest guest]

Absolutely. What a great idea.

 

How can we get started with that?

 

Chris

 

 

 

In a message dated 5/15/2004 4:09:18 PM Eastern Daylight Time,

kampo36 writes:

On thinking about this, one thing that might help is some legislation banning

direct

marketing of prescription drugs to consumers, especially the danged TV ads.

That

might help take some of the pressure of docs who are so overloaded that they

regularly cave into their more vocal patients (see the current

antibx-resistant bugs

now becoming a problem). It worked on Big Tobacco -- and they've been one of

the

biggest PAC contributors in the past -- so it might work on Big Pharm as well.

 

 

 

[Guest guest]

I apologize for overshooting or hurting anyone. My problem with the wm system is

not the people helping others, what I find fault with is it's entrenched

dependency inside a ring of political and economic giants that increasingly and

willfully institute and guide hurtful policy for the many, also its

exclusiveness, inability or hesitancy to correct obvious lethal problems, and

yes some pure profitteering that results in injuries and death because there is

so little price to pay.

However, everyone has probably had someone they know or themselves helped or

saved by a WM Px. I seek advice from docs I know as well as advice from other

tcm pxs and other modalities. I looked but didn't see that I said WM should be

done away with, or that the majority of it's members are frauds or anything like

that.

I would like to see tcm hospitals alongside wm hospitals and let the public

choose.

Even better, working together, but it is going to take a long time to find what

works best where, and with whom. But thats ok, it would be exciting to record 20

to 50 years of combined medical system cooperation and respect and learning from

each other. Ecological considerations come in here too with a global medical

model.

I really do fear the profitable cookie cutter - copycat - one medicine for

all - good enough is good enough medical system is trying and succeeding to

prevail over other valid ways of healing. If that is called WM, thats what name

I'll use, but I never said there wasn't an enormous amount of value in it and

its majority of workers. In Christ there is no east or west. I assume too much,

sorry group.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

SBC - Internet access at a great low price.

 

 

[Guest guest]

Chinese Medicine , Musiclear@a... wrote:

>

>

> We can do this by educating congress and get them to enact laws that

> require disclosure of safer less expensive treatments than drugs, where

> applicable. We can document treatments tha are applicable.

 

The problem is with the current focus on EBM we don't have a lot of convincing

evidence on our side. Look at the '97 NIH consensus statement -- the only

things we

could claim were nausea and IIRC post-op dental anesthesia. Not even back pain.

 

On thinking about this, one thing that might help is some legislation banning

direct

marketing of prescription drugs to consumers, especially the danged TV ads.

That

might help take some of the pressure of docs who are so overloaded that they

regularly cave into their more vocal patients (see the current antibx-resistant

bugs

now becoming a problem). It worked on Big Tobacco -- and they've been one of

the

biggest PAC contributors in the past -- so it might work on Big Pharm as well.

 

>

> In a time when both state and federal Government is looking for a way to

> save money for health care, this is not to far off to think about.

>

>

 

Extra points if you can figure out a way to tie it into the Homeland Security

budget --

find some herb rx for preventing anthrax or smallpox and you'll be on the fast

track.

 

rh

[Guest guest]

Start a petition drive, call your rep or senator and present the idea citing

your sources

(JAMA et al) and get him/her to sponsor a bill. Might be good to do some

research

into whether either your rep or senator get significant PAC money from pharm

before

you do this -- if so you'll need to show more public support before they'll even

consider it. Another plus might be if you could get some trained medical

personnel

-- doesn't have to be MDs, could be nurses or pharmacists -- on your side who

could

provide some expert testimony that direct advertising is causing harm.

 

Chinese Medicine , Musiclear@a... wrote:

>

> Absolutely. What a great idea.

>

> How can we get started with that?

>

> Chris

>

>

>

> In a message dated 5/15/2004 4:09:18 PM Eastern Daylight Time,

> kampo36 writes:

> On thinking about this, one thing that might help is some legislation banning

> direct

> marketing of prescription drugs to consumers, especially the danged TV ads.

> That

> might help take some of the pressure of docs who are so overloaded that they

> regularly cave into their more vocal patients (see the current

> antibx-resistant bugs

> now becoming a problem). It worked on Big Tobacco -- and they've been one of

> the

> biggest PAC contributors in the past -- so it might work on Big Pharm as well.

>

>

>