Guest guest Posted May 18, 2004 Report Share Posted May 18, 2004 I think if a database was made, the search method would have to display the matches sorted by source text. This way, people could choose the sources which they personally trusted and would have less extra mess to sort through. Convincing authors to donate material for use would be much easier if the end project cannot be altered. No one would like their work circulating without credit or with in a way that someone could change its contents. Eric Brand , " " wrote: > , Steven Slater <dragonslive@i...> wrote: > > > If the majority of this material is taken from chinese texts anyway or > > basically a reproduction of accepted knowledge.........are there any > > intellectual property rights attached to such materials? > > the chinese have copyright laws. but I am pretty sure if information is included in 3 or > more independent sources, it is not plagiarized when adapted to a 4th. One can > summarize the information in their own words such as " ST 36 supplements qi " or " huang > qin clears heat " without asking permission or paying any royalties to anyone. this is public > domain data that canbe found in hundredss of texts worldwide. when you lift exact > quotations or verbatim symptom lists, that is still plagiarism, though. but this is easy > enough to avoid. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 18, 2004 Report Share Posted May 18, 2004 Bob, When I practiced in Boulder, Colorado, I had a very similar cross-section of herbal requirements for clients. When I moved to western Montana, I was surprised to see such a sudden shift in my formulas, that it was somewhat disorienting. Spleen Deficiency patterns are more rare here, much more Deficiency of Yin and Blood Stagnation. In retrospect, I think that the high percentage of vegetarians in Boulder together with the contamination by Rocky Flats (for you non-Coloradans: a former manufacturing facility for plutonium triggers for nuclear bombs) both had a significant impact on the patterns one saw. Uranium (and plutonium??) toxicity tends to create a lot of Yang-Deficiency patterns; it is very cold in property just as are many lead compounds. A common manifestation was a combination of Yang and Yin Deficiency with Deficiency-Heat. I noted your inclusion of Er Xian Tang, and I remember several clients of this type who responded only minimally to this, even though their symptoms seemed to fit the indications, until I put them on a special diet plan which has been shown to mobilize, chelate, and expel heavy metals from the body. I've since seen a number of other clients who seem to be Er-Xian-Tang types, and when it does not work well, very frequently it has turned out that heavy-metal toxicity is a major factor. ---Roger Wicke, PhD, TCM Clinical Herbalist contact: www.rmhiherbal.org/contact/ Rocky Mountain Herbal Institute, Hot Springs, Montana USA Clinical herbology training programs - www.rmhiherbal.org > " Bob Flaws " <pemachophel2001 >Re: Development of new software for TCM Dx and Tx, esp in CHM > .... >Given that I specialize in gynecology here in the U.S. and Europe, I >reckon that I treat 85% of all patients I see with modifications of >5-7 formulas. To further clarify, that means 85% of the patients I see >are females, aged 35-55 years old, suffering from chronic as opposed >to acute gynecological conditions as well as autoimmune diseases to >which females are especially prone. > >Since I'm pretty sure someone is going to ask what those 5-7 formulas are: > >Xiao Chai Hu Tang (and all its modifications) >Xiao Yao San (and all its modifications) >Bu Zhong Yi Qi Tang (and all its modifications, meaning all of Li >Dong-yuan's specifically yin fire Rxs) >Ban Xia Xie Xin Tang (and all its modifications, meaning all Xie Xin Rxs) >Wen Dan Tang (and all its modifications, both pluses and minuses, >which then includes Er Chen Tang) >Er Xian Tang (and all its modifications) >Liu Wei Di Huang Wan (and all its modifications) > >Bob ---Roger Wicke, PhD, TCM Clinical Herbalist contact: www.rmhiherbal.org/contact/ Rocky Mountain Herbal Institute, Hot Springs, Montana USA Clinical herbology training programs - www.rmhiherbal.org Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 18, 2004 Report Share Posted May 18, 2004 Roger, I don't doubt that your patient population in the boonies of Montana is quite different from mine. Makes sense. Unfortunately, I don;t know how to process your info about heavy metal contamination. Seems like you've switched paradigms. Any way to make sense of this strictly within Chinese medical pattern discrimination? Bob Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 19, 2004 Report Share Posted May 19, 2004 , rw2@r... wrote: I've since seen a number of other clients who seem to be Er-Xian-Tang types, and when it does not work well, very frequently it has turned out that heavy-metal toxicity is a major factor. Heavy metal toxicity might impair hormonal function. Since er xian tang acts to some extent by hormonal moudlation, I could see that heavy metal toxicity could be a significant obstacle to cure in such cases. As long as the metals are impairing endocrine function, no amount of herbs will correct things. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 19, 2004 Report Share Posted May 19, 2004 , " " wrote: > , rw2@r... wrote: > I've since seen a number of other clients who seem to be Er-Xian- Tang types, and when it > does not work well, very frequently it has turned out that heavy- metal toxicity is a major > factor. > > > Heavy metal toxicity might impair hormonal function. Since er xian tang acts to some > extent by hormonal moudlation, I could see that heavy metal toxicity could be a significant > obstacle to cure in such cases. As long as the metals are impairing endocrine function, no > amount of herbs will correct things. > Whether or not the actual Boulder, CO resident actually suffers any ill effects from the nuclear facility outside of town is highly debatable. Boulder is one of the healthiest cities in the nation overall, but it is terribly obsessed with things like allergies and trace pollutants. Most of the people I knew who grew up in Boulder are pretty healthy folks overall. Eric Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 19, 2004 Report Share Posted May 19, 2004 , " " wrote: > , rw2@r... wrote: > I've since seen a number of other clients who seem to be Er-Xian-Tang types, and when it > does not work well, very frequently it has turned out that heavy-metal toxicity is a major > factor. > > > Heavy metal toxicity might impair hormonal function. Since er xian tang acts to some > extent by hormonal moudlation, I could see that heavy metal toxicity could be a significant > obstacle to cure in such cases. As long as the metals are impairing endocrine function, no > amount of herbs will correct things. > Any thoughts on repairing Endrocrine function WITH Chinese herbs? Any good articles discuss E. System and Chinese MEdcine? -Jason Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 19, 2004 Report Share Posted May 19, 2004 I think the case was in Montana. On May 19, 2004, at 3:15 AM, smilinglotus wrote: > > > , " " > wrote: > > , rw2@r... wrote: > > I've since seen a number of other clients who seem to be Er-Xian- > Tang types, and when it > > does not work well, very frequently it has turned out that heavy- > metal toxicity is a major > > factor. > > > > > > Heavy metal toxicity might impair hormonal function. Since er > xian tang acts to some > > extent by hormonal moudlation, I could see that heavy metal > toxicity could be a significant > > obstacle to cure in such cases. As long as the metals are > impairing endocrine function, no > > amount of herbs will correct things. > > > > > Whether or not the actual Boulder, CO resident actually suffers any > ill effects from the nuclear facility outside of town is highly > debatable. Boulder is one of the healthiest cities in the nation > overall, but it is terribly obsessed with things like allergies and > trace pollutants. Most of the people I knew who grew up in Boulder > are pretty healthy folks overall. > > Eric > > > > Chinese Herbal Medicine offers various professional services, > including board approved continuing education classes, an annual > conference and a free discussion forum in Chinese Herbal Medicine. > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 19, 2004 Report Share Posted May 19, 2004 Subhuti has a good one at ITM, but you need to clear the metals first On May 19, 2004, at 6:35 AM, wrote: > > > > Any thoughts on repairing Endrocrine function WITH Chinese herbs? Any > good articles discuss E. System and Chinese MEdcine? > > Chinese Herbs FAX: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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