Cervical dysplasia help

[Guest guest]

I've had lots and lots of experience treating cervical dysplasia,

a.k.a. cervical intraepithelial neoplasia. My advice is to do a

pattern discrimination and then write a formula based on the patient's

presenting patterns. It seems from your post that you have been able

to do a pattern discrimiation which looks from here like a reasonable

possibility. My experience is that, with proper adjunctive therapies

(diet, exercise, relaxation), mild to moderate cervical dysplasia can

be eliminated in three months via internal administration of Chinese

herbal meds. Use of an appropriate intravaginal douch helps make such

an outcome even more assured.

 

Bob

[Guest guest]

Hello all. Has anyone had experience treating LSIL (CIN1) cervical

dysplasia from HPV? Any feedback on the use of Vagistatin (Health

Concerns)? Is there an effective internal formula to combine with

this (like " Unlocking " by Health Concerns)? Client's general

patterns include Liver-Spleen disharmony, Liver Blood Xu, Kidney Qi

Xu (nearly 3 years postpartum, 1 year post-nursing, never received

postpartum tonification support). Also, any thoughts on using

Composition A (Seven Forests) & possibly Paris 7 as internal

adjuncts to Vagistatin?

 

Thanks much for any feedback!

- Monica Edlauer

[Guest guest]

Hi Monica,

 

I love to help but I don't undrstand your language

 

>>>LSIL (CIN1) cervical dysplasia from HPV?<<<

 

no idea what you are reffering to. What are the patient symptoms?

 

>>>Vagistatin (Health > Concerns)?<<<<<

 

waht is that? and what is its relationship to patient's diagnosis?

 

>>>(nearly 3 years postpartum, 1 year post-nursing, never received

> postpartum tonification support). <<<<<

 

What are you sharing here? is this to do with the patient? or is it

your C.V.? What is postpartum tonification support?

 

Confused but interested

Salvador

www.meridian-qi-acupuncture.com

 

 

<monicapuncture> wrote:

> Hello all. Has anyone had experience treating LSIL (CIN1) cervical

> dysplasia from HPV? Any feedback on the use of Vagistatin (Health

> Concerns)? Is there an effective internal formula to combine with

> this (like " Unlocking " by Health Concerns)? Client's general

> patterns include Liver-Spleen disharmony, Liver Blood Xu, Kidney

Qi

> Xu (nearly 3 years postpartum, 1 year post-nursing, never received

> postpartum tonification support). Also, any thoughts on using

> Composition A (Seven Forests) & possibly Paris 7 as internal

> adjuncts to Vagistatin?

>

> Thanks much for any feedback!

> - Monica Edlauer

[Guest guest]

Hi Monica,

Many thanks for the DOB info on your patient.

 

this may sound a bit weird to you because you are focused on the

symptom of Cervical dysplasia to help your patient with.

 

But my primary focus is on Root cause

 

I want to know about the state of your patient's LI ST and SP

meridians. specificaly in relation to structure and function as well

as wether any symptoms worsen as a result of perceived stress.

 

Relevant info will compose of:

 

 

issues of nose, mouth , neck shoulders arms fingers, also colon and

lower back skin condition like spots, excema etc., tendencies to

catch colds flue ,physical process of digestion, as well as knees,

lips, appetite, condition of stools and skin, state of

bowels,tiredness at specific times of day, lethargy , heaviness in

the body, oedema emotional tendencies to hang on/ dismiss to people

or experiences excessive worry or rumination of ideas. headaches if

any, I want to know about BP and state of nails and eyes wether

there is any aversion to any of the elements wether your patients

avoids or prefers any particular colours or foods.

 

This sort of questioning should be standard fare and be part of any

diagnosis.

 

Look forward to getting more info

 

salvador

www.meridian.qi.acupuncture.com

[Guest guest]

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Chinese Medicine , " salvador_march "

<salvador_march@h...> wrote:

> Hi Monica,

> Many thanks for the DOB info on your patient.

>

> this may sound a bit weird to you because you are focused on the

> symptom of Cervical dysplasia to help your patient with.

>

> But my primary focus is on Root cause

>

> I want to know about the state of your patient's LI ST and SP

> meridians. specificaly in relation to structure and function as

well

> as wether any symptoms worsen as a result of perceived stress.

>

> Relevant info will compose of:

>

>

> issues of nose, mouth , neck shoulders arms fingers, also colon

and

> lower back skin condition like spots, excema etc., tendencies to

> catch colds flue ,physical process of digestion, as well as knees,

> lips, appetite, condition of stools and skin, state of

> bowels,tiredness at specific times of day, lethargy , heaviness in

> the body, oedema emotional tendencies to hang on/ dismiss to

people

> or experiences excessive worry or rumination of ideas. headaches

if

> any, I want to know about BP and state of nails and eyes wether

> there is any aversion to any of the elements wether your patients

> avoids or prefers any particular colours or foods.

>

> This sort of questioning should be standard fare and be part of

any

> diagnosis.

>

> Look forward to getting more info

>

> salvador

> www.meridian.qi.acupuncture.com

[Guest guest]

Sorry if this is a repeat, but it didn't look like my message got

posted correctly the 1st time. Anyway - here is my reply, Salvador!

 

(you said, ) " I want to know about the state of your patient's LI ST

and SP

meridians. specificaly in relation to structure and function as well

as wether any symptoms worsen as a result of perceived stress. "

 

Here are the details...

 

<<Issues of nose, mouth , neck shoulders arms fingers>>:

 

Sinusitis, dry lips, shoulder muscle tension, nervous habit of

picking at cuticles on fingers – especially thumbs

 

<<also colon and lower back skin condition like spots, excema etc>>:

No eczema. Some acne along shaoyang surface of face (SJ/GB

channels) & chin. Lower back weakness (iliosacral joints & also

lumbar are hypermobile). Irritable bowel – flatulence, sensitivity

to high fiber diets (causes gas & bloating) – irritated by stress &

PMS.

 

<<tendencies to catch colds flu>>: Yes.

 

<<physical process of digestion>>: Eats a fair amount of protein.

Food tends to energize, rather than fatigue. Sugar & caffeine

increase heart palpitations. Too much processed sugars and high

fiber/milk products cause gas. Transit time is more rapid than

average. Occasionally has undigested food in stool. Sometimes

nauseated after eating or just before eating in the morning

 

 

<<as well as knees>>: Some weakness/pain on shaoyang region of

knees when running.

 

<<lips, appetite, condition of stools and skin, state of

bowels, tiredness at specific times of day, lethargy , heaviness in

the body, oedema emotional tendencies to hang on/ dismiss to people

or experiences excessive worry or rumination of ideas>>:

 

Lips are slightly pale & slightly dry. Skin is same. Freckles &

birth marks over much of skin.

Appetite is good, tends to crave snacks late at night

Stools alternate between small and pebbly and large and loosely

formed when stressed and during PMS. Other times of month, well-

formed – average of 2 BM/day.

Gas and some bloating when stressed & just before menses. Worse

with frozen, milk-based beverages/foods and high fiber foods.

Tired off and on throughout the day, worst in the evening (around

8PM), then gets a burst of energy later on (around 11pm).

Feels she suffers from " anxiety " – general feeling of fear; and

prone to over-thinking.

No edema, though feels heavy & fuzzy-headed at times.

Hard time letting go of experiences, memories, items

 

<<Headaches>>: none

 

 

<< BP and state of nails and eyes>>: Low BP (90/60). Nails have

white spots, ridges. Eyes feel dry (blinks a lot), and slightly

pink especially at inner canthus.

 

 

<<Whether there is any aversion to any of the elements wether your

patients

avoids or prefers any particular colours or foods>>: Dislikes wind,

though loves spring. Summer is favorite season. Winter is least

favorite & gets dysphoric if doesn't get enough sunlight. Prefers

black & purple, used to crave sweets, though is starting to tend

more towards salty flavors recently.

 

Thanks again for your feedback!

 

I'm curious about your questions - what leads you to focus on LI, ST

& SP?

 

- Monica

[Guest guest]

Hi Monica,

 

 

 

>>>I'm curious about your questions - what leads you to focus on LI,

ST

& SP?<<<<

 

 

If you been following my ranting for any lengh of time you'll note

that I always keep coming back to Root and that illness in a person

is a folding process not just a separate event. I'd like to think

that you now have an ikling of that, in so far as, the nature of my

questioning has proved to be highly relevant to the totality of your

dysharmonious process. (sorry I am addicted to long words ) .

 

My choice of meridians is related to your date of birth. This is for

me the starting process and one aspect of the message that I am

attempting to share and teach.

 

 

Ok, Many thanks for the info.

 

on the strenght of the info provided this is what I think:

 

Exess SP and Def. LI.

 

The excess SP is more than likely responsible for the Cervical

dysplasia parly I imagine because of its effect on the LIV and KID

although I wouldn't dismiss the power of the LI to also have a hand

on this symptoms.

 

At a practical level this is my suggestion oh how to treat your

patient which, I beleive, will work over a number of sessions as

long as you stay focussed and DO NOT experiment with points outside

of the 2 meridians.

 

My choice of points is semi arbitrary and based on experience

although for myself I would always choose points based on my

energetic sensing of the individual points along the meridian. For

more specific points you would have to send me a photo of your

patient for remote scanning and that I imagine is really not

possible, any how just follow my suggestions

 

Sedate (insert needle and turn anticlockwise leave for 15 - 20 min.

Tonify (insert needle and turn clockwise and remove more or less

straightaway)

Even ( insert needle and turn anticlockwise 90 degrees turn

clockwise 70 degrees or so and leave for about 10 min.)

 

1st TX.

 

Sedate SP-4 SP-7 SP-14 - Even on LIV-13 (branch)

Tonify LI-4 LI-11 LI-20

 

 

2nd TX

Sedate SP-6 , SP-8, SP-15

Tonify LI-1, LI-6, LI-14 anf BL-25

 

3rd TX

 

Sedate SP-1, SP-5, SP-21

 

Tonify, LI-7, LI-10,plus some moxa? say 5 cones, LI-15

 

If the above is accurate, your patient would start to feel more

relaxed from 1st tx. by the 3rd tx i would expect the shoulder,

nose, worry, lower back,IBS to be less of a bother. The Cervical

dysplasia will take a bit longer but then it didn't come over night.

 

 

 

good luck

 

Salvador

http://www.meridian.qi.acupuncture.com

 

 

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Here are the details...

 

<<Issues of nose, mouth , neck shoulders arms fingers>>:

 

Sinusitis, dry lips, shoulder muscle tension, nervous habit of

picking at cuticles on fingers – especially thumbs

 

<<also colon and lower back skin condition like spots, excema etc>>:

No eczema. Some acne along shaoyang surface of face (SJ/GB

channels) & chin. Lower back weakness (iliosacral joints & also

lumbar are hypermobile). Irritable bowel – flatulence, sensitivity

to high fiber diets (causes gas & bloating) – irritated by stress &

PMS.

 

<<tendencies to catch colds flu>>: Yes.

 

<<physical process of digestion>>: Eats a fair amount of protein.

Food tends to energize, rather than fatigue. Sugar & caffeine

increase heart palpitations. Too much processed sugars and high

fiber/milk products cause gas. Transit time is more rapid than

average. Occasionally has undigested food in stool. Sometimes

nauseated after eating or just before eating in the morning

 

 

<<as well as knees>>: Some weakness/pain on shaoyang region of

knees when running.

 

<<lips, appetite, condition of stools and skin, state of

bowels, tiredness at specific times of day, lethargy , heaviness in

the body, oedema emotional tendencies to hang on/ dismiss to people

or experiences excessive worry or rumination of ideas>>:

 

Lips are slightly pale & slightly dry. Skin is same. Freckles &

birth marks over much of skin.

Appetite is good, tends to crave snacks late at night

Stools alternate between small and pebbly and large and loosely

formed when stressed and during PMS. Other times of month, well-

formed – average of 2 BM/day.

Gas and some bloating when stressed & just before menses. Worse

with frozen, milk-based beverages/foods and high fiber foods.

Tired off and on throughout the day, worst in the evening (around

8PM), then gets a burst of energy later on (around 11pm).

Feels she suffers from " anxiety " – general feeling of fear; and

prone to over-thinking.

No edema, though feels heavy & fuzzy-headed at times.

Hard time letting go of experiences, memories, items

 

<<Headaches>>: none

 

 

<< BP and state of nails and eyes>>: Low BP (90/60). Nails have

white spots, ridges. Eyes feel dry (blinks a lot), and slightly

pink especially at inner canthus.

 

 

<<Whether there is any aversion to any of the elements wether your

patients

avoids or prefers any particular colours or foods>>: Dislikes wind,

though loves spring. Summer is favorite season. Winter is least

favorite & gets dysphoric if doesn't get enough sunlight. Prefers

black & purple, used to crave sweets, though is starting to tend

more towards salty flavors recently.

 

 

 

- Monica