Guest guest Posted April 28, 2004 Report Share Posted April 28, 2004 In a message dated 4/28/2004 7:45:06 PM Eastern Daylight Time, writes: Animals are dismembered while still alive, are pumped > with growth hormones, left to freeze in trucks over winter > journeys to slaughter- and still utilized! If you have a reference for this, I would appreciate it. That is completely unacceptable. If it is going on, that practice must be stopped. Where did you hear of this? Thanks, Chris Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 29, 2004 Report Share Posted April 29, 2004 Heidi Hi, & Hi All, > Phil, I agree that the debate over the ethics of killing animals > for food does not suit this list, I do want to point out that your > statement [abour Animal Health & Welfare, & Abattoir hygiene] is > not true, at least for the United States. ... US slaughterhouses > are breeding grounds for disease, self-regulated as far as > " regulations " go- only a very small percentage of meat is > inspected. Animals are dismembered while still alive, are pumped > with growth hormones, left to freeze in trucks over winter > journeys to slaughter- and still utilized! And more. Your note was > well written and I agree with you about everything except the > above. Animal " care " is absurd here in the states. Heidi Heidi, my mistake; I was referring to EU (especially Ireland). I have no first-hand experience of conditions in USA, but expected that conditions in USA would be good. However, I would be surprised if conditions are quite as bad as you believe. I can tell you that plant managers here get very anxious when USA Inspectors visit our meat export plants. Could any vets on the list who have first-hand experience comment on conditions in USA? Best regards, Email: < WORK : Teagasc Research Management, Sandymount Ave., Dublin 4, Ireland Mobile: 353-; [in the Republic: 0] HOME : 1 Esker Lawns, Lucan, Dublin, Ireland Tel : 353-; [in the Republic: 0] WWW : http://homepage.eircom.net/~progers/searchap.htm Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 29, 2004 Report Share Posted April 29, 2004 Hi Chris! Nearly all male cattle are routinely castrated right after birth, I think this is the only thing he could possibly be talking about with " dismembered " . The " pump " used for growth hormone is an ordinary veterinary syringe. The driver is responsible for the " passengers " , if they freeze on the trip he/she has to pay for them - I know, I drove myself before I went to med school. They do not normally let the animals freeze, barring a natural disaster such as a sudden winter storm - in which event the driver could very well freeze also. The frozen animals lost in a disaster freeze might be used as pet food or rendered into soap/chemicals, but not human food. The radical left " animal rights " lobby is responsible for these horror stories that aren't *quite* true, I doubt that Phil originated them. Now there will be politicized web sites alleging these things, but it is at best exaggerated. Oh, you thought everything on the web was " true " ? The same " animal rights " groups accost children on the street and tell them that their mother is a murderer if she has a fur coat or serves meat to her family . . . children! At 10:05 PM 4/28/2004, you wrote: >In a message dated 4/28/2004 7:45:06 PM Eastern Daylight Time, > writes: >Animals are dismembered while still alive, are pumped > > with growth hormones, left to freeze in trucks over winter > > journeys to slaughter- and still utilized! > > > If you have a reference for this, I would appreciate it. That is >completely unacceptable. If it is going on, that practice must be stopped. > > Where did you hear of this? > > Thanks, > Chris > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 2, 2004 Report Share Posted May 2, 2004 My response to some of this information is a follows: as a veterinary student part of our training was to visit hog slaughterhouses.Typically the hogs were run individually up into the stock and they were given a stun gun adminitration to the head.When they fell to the ground, they were then shackled by their back feet and lifted up to hang upside down.They are not dead and they need for their hearts to still be pumping so that when the next step is done which is to slit their aortas as they move into the blood pit.The men who work in this area can get actually up to their calves in the blood coming out of the hanging pigs as the blood pumps the blood around and out and therefore down into the pit.The hogs are then lowered into huge vats of this tarry stuff and come out looking like asphalted forms.This process helps the hair on the body to come off with the scraping process which is done at the next station.This tarry substance is very,very,very hot.If the pigs are done prior to being lowered into the tar vat it would only be becasue they had bled out.I had asked about if they were actually dead and at what point....In the chicken processing houses, I found more horror.They were testing a machine from France that was supposed to process the chicks with beak clipping and toe clipping so they don't do damage to each other in the growing houses.The machine would often mess up and cut into the heads of some of the chicks so that their brains were exposed.What they did was collected those damaged chicks,many were not dead but just sitting in a box until they got enough to make it worth their while to take the box downstairs to gas them to death.All in the name of money as they felt the machine would do this process faster then the manual method.They just had to figure the losses,messes versus how many per minute they could process.In the adult chicken section as the chickens came in for end stage processing,they were hung upside down in this machine that then lowered the chickens to another machine that just slit their necks.I watched a couple of chickens as they kept their heads raised and missed having their throats slit.I asked what happened to them.They said there was a second time when they would be lowered further down.I watched 1 of the chickens avoid that time also.What happened after the two chances was that they were just lowered into the boiling water that was some fantastically high temperature so that the feathers are easy to remove.The plants that are big enough to handle heavy cows like bulls are bad also,alot of those animals if they try to make a break from the stock are dropped with rifle shot.Must make working in those situations very dangerous.I couldn't think of how those people whom work so close to death,destruction,the blood pit and basically inhumane treatment might not become inhumane themselves but no on wants there to be any common knowledge of what goes on.How could these methods be stopped?A recent study from the FDA on test results of dry dog foods on the market didn't find but a few of all the brands studied that did not contain pentobarbitol residues in the product that consumers buy off the shelf for their pets food.Pentobarbitol is used in the dead diseased dying and disabled group along with euthanized animals from the pounds that yes, very positively contributre to the rendered protein source in the pet foods.Along with Rabies tags and plastic bags and collars......antibiotics,hormones and just about anything else since there is little to no regulation.Makes you want to grow your own vegetables and salad items and just fish I guess until we pollute our oceans too badly.Respectfully Submitted,P. Jordan,DVM >Musiclear >Chinese Medicine >Chinese Medicine >Re: Re: Abbatoir hygiene in USA >Wed, 28 Apr 2004 22:05:43 EDT > >In a message dated 4/28/2004 7:45:06 PM Eastern Daylight Time, > writes: >Animals are dismembered while still alive, are pumped > > with growth hormones, left to freeze in trucks over winter > > journeys to slaughter- and still utilized! > > > If you have a reference for this, I would appreciate it. That is >completely unacceptable. If it is going on, that practice must be stopped. > > Where did you hear of this? > > Thanks, > Chris > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 2, 2004 Report Share Posted May 2, 2004 Hi Patricia! How would you slaughter animals? Is there a better way? At 01:56 AM 5/2/2004, you wrote: >My response to some of this information is a follows: as a veterinary >student part of our training was to visit hog slaughterhouses. Regards, Pete Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 4, 2004 Report Share Posted May 4, 2004 I wouldn't SLAUGHTER animals.I simply reported on the FACTS as to how they are currently doing it and the FACTS as to what they are showing young veterinary students.Funny and sad though,NO ONE asked us to verbalize our feelings about what we were seeing and no one from the industry bothered to brainstorm with the students the humanity or lack thereof or if there even was other ideas on how it could be done.In Switzerland, where I did an externship.I saw beautiful horses destroyed with a gun bolt to the head which is there normal method of killing when they had a lameness considered progressive and painful.In the US we would and do inject these types of horses joints full of steroids and other medications that allow the owners to keep pounding the bones and joints off the horses while they continue to use them in sport riding or they will cut their nerves to their feet so that the horse just can't feel the destruction that continues in their legs.In Switzerland though,because land is at a premium and because they can not raise beef cattle like we do in the states.The owner usually gets their gun bolted horse back in 2 bundles; 1 wrapped up in meat packages,a butcher actually works for the veterinary schools there......the other is a package with the hide in it.After gun bolting the shackles are placed around the ankles of the horse and the throat is slit and the horse hoisted,now that's a big hoist up up up in the air so that the blood drains out due to gravity.then the hoist conveys right to the building next door for the butcher to do his thing.In Switzerland,the difference in how they kill them is that it is done instantly with the gun bolt into the third eye,isn't that interesting the chakra that is used to destroy life.Anyway, the Swiss consider us uncivilized and as world affairs are going today,probably every other nation does too!: Truthfully,P. Jordan,DVM Pete Theisen <petet >Chinese Medicine >Chinese Medicine >Re: Re: Abbatoir hygiene in USA >Sun, 02 May 2004 04:29:58 -0400 > >Hi Patricia! > >How would you slaughter animals? Is there a better way? > >At 01:56 AM 5/2/2004, you wrote: > >My response to some of this information is a follows: as a veterinary > >student part of our training was to visit hog slaughterhouses. > >Regards, > >Pete > _______________ Check out the coupons and bargains on MSN Offers! http://youroffers.msn.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 4, 2004 Report Share Posted May 4, 2004 Hi Patricia! It is my understanding that some of the US processing facilities similarly use the third eye, with an automated blow from a pendulum mounted device. i think id depends on when the plant was built. At 07:13 AM 5/4/2004, you wrote: >I wouldn't SLAUGHTER animals. Regards, Pete Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 8, 2004 Report Share Posted May 8, 2004 I don't know how a pendulum throw would work.It's bad enough when someone has to hold the gunbolt to thehead and fire.It really is barbarious... >Pete Theisen <petet >Chinese Medicine >Chinese Medicine >Re: Re: Abbatoir hygiene in USA >Tue, 04 May 2004 13:05:50 -0400 > >Hi Patricia! > >It is my understanding that some of the US processing facilities similarly >use the third eye, with an automated blow from a pendulum mounted device. i >think id depends on when the plant was built. > >At 07:13 AM 5/4/2004, you wrote: > >I wouldn't SLAUGHTER animals. > >Regards, > >Pete > _______________ MSN Toolbar provides one-click access to Hotmail from any Web page – FREE download! http://toolbar.msn.com/go/onm00200413ave/direct/01/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 8, 2004 Report Share Posted May 8, 2004 In a message dated 5/7/2004 9:42:17 PM Eastern Daylight Time, coastalcatclinic writes: I don't know how a pendulum throw would work.It's bad enough when someone has to hold the gunbolt to thehead and fire.It really is barbarious... I really do understand the feelings involved in killing for food. I personally had to stop fishing as I could no longer look at a gasping fish and do it in. BUT, as it was pointed out by someone else, when you compare how animals kill their pray in nature to the gunbolt, the gun bolt is much, much kinder. In nature one animal will often take down a bigger animal and the others will start eating while it is still alive. So it is instant death by gunbolt or being eaten alive???? Which way is really barbaric? Chris Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 9, 2004 Report Share Posted May 9, 2004 Hi guys n gals... > I really do understand the feelings involved in > killing for food. I > BUT, as it was pointed out by someone else, > when you compare how animals > kill their pray in nature to the gunbolt, the gun > bolt is much, much kinder. I don't see it as kinder, just easier. In the 'wild' the prey has a chance base on its courage, strength and skill. /No/ chance in the factory farm. Just the irrevocable machine. Yes, Neo. The machine. Bye Hugo ps - old kung fu saying: yut - dam yee - lik sam - gung fu! means: Most importantly, courage. Second, power. Third, KUNG FU! __________ Messenger - Communicate instantly... " Ping " your friends today! Download Messenger Now http://uk.messenger./download/index.html Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 14, 2004 Report Share Posted May 14, 2004 [sing to the tune of Jack and Jill just before the meal] Hack and Bill went up the hill To catch a cow and heifer The cow fell down and broke her crown And the calf came bleeding after. Dr. Holmes Keikobad MB BS DPH Ret. DIP AC NCCAOM LIC AC CO & AZ www.acu-free.com - 15 CEUS by video. NCCAOM reviewed. Approved in CA & most states. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Recommended Posts
Join the conversation
You are posting as a guest. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account.
Note: Your post will require moderator approval before it will be visible.