Veggie

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In a message dated 4/26/2004 12:11:09 PM Eastern Daylight Time,

susie writes:

According to Dr peter D'Adamo quite a lot depends on your blood type and one

in particular seems to benefit from not eating meat or certainly avoiding

the majority of meats.

Susie

 

> Of course different people react differently to being a vegetarian.

> It's not for everyone, neither is the consumption of meat. IMO,

> apart from personal beliefs or attitudes, it all comes down to your

> constitution.

>

 

 

That is a good theory. There may in fact be tendencies in blood typing.

However, in our fast pace, world of movement,,,,,,, we generally need more

yang than veggies provide to keep us going effectively.

Times have changed and the needs of living effectively in our society

have changed.

I agree that it is possible to be healthy with a vegetarian lifestyle.

It is just that the lifestyle that goes along with being healthy as a

vegetarian, would have to be much less vigorous.

To put it another way, the yang requirements of the vegetarian lifestyle,

would have to be much lower than the typical higher yang lifestyle that most

life in our society today.

 

IMHO,

Chris

 

 

 

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Hi Chris & Pete & All,

 

I've been a vegetarian for almost 12 years. During this time I've

had a general lack of strength which is related to the accumulation

of damp in my body caused by a deficiency of Spleen Qi, my root. I

can say that this Spleen Qi deficiency is due to the consumption of

a high dairy intake, such as cheese, which i consume far too much

off. Also living in such a Damp climate as England, most people have

Damp problems aswell, doesn't help. Actually, since being in Beijing

which is so dry, my dampness has improved a lot.

 

Otherwise, my physical activity has somewhat diminished although I

wouldn't lay this at the door of being a vegetarian. In my early

twenties, I used to enjoy amateur cycling which involved 60 mile

rides a day and other rigorous exercise whilst being on a vegetarian

diet. Since then, I am more mentally active rather than physical,

which has also exhausted my Spleen. I do think that being a

vegetarian has of course affected me slightly, but nothing

detrimental and certainly nothing that will end my life on this

planet quickly as you state rather the opposite as I am more happy

in myself for having the principles that I have.

 

Of course different people react differently to being a vegetarian.

It's not for everyone, neither is the consumption of meat. IMO,

apart from personal beliefs or attitudes, it all comes down to your

constitution.

 

Attilio

 

Musiclear@a... wrote:

> In a message dated 4/26/2004 6:34:00 AM Eastern Daylight Time,

petet@a...

> writes:

> Gradually,

> in spite of using vitamins, minerals and a " protein balanced "

vegetarian

> diet, I developed a laundry list of deficiencies and syndromes

that took

> some time to resolve. Human beings are omnivorous, intended by

their nature

> to eat both vegetables and meat, politics and fads notwithstanding.

>

>

> IME, (In my experience), virtually all people who have been

vegetarians

> for more than a year, begin to have imbalances that do not correct

without the

> inclusion of meat.

>

> When you take animals out of the food equation, what is left

is a diet

> that is biased way to heavy in carbs and the balance of yang goes

down

> dramatically.

>

> In many cases, people become cold and develop candida symptoms

or chronic

> fatigue. Until these people warm up with the yang from meats,

they go around

> and around trying to find out what is wrong. I have seen a number

of people

> who were diagnosed hypothyriod and on synthroid and really all

they needed was

> to go back to a meat diet.

>

> It is a challenge talking to a gentle warm hearted person with

strong

> beliefs about living the life of a pacifist and telling them one

of he main

> reasons for their symptoms is the lack of meat in their diet. It

saddens me when

> the tears well up in their eyes.

>

> I have had let people know it is my opinion that that they may

get to

> make a chioce of starting to eat animals or living on the planet,

unhealthy for a

> less time. I have had people tell me given the choice of dying

unhealthy

> with a short life or eating animals, they choose death. Some

people have strong

> belifs about this.

>

> My wife was a vegetarian when I was in school. What a mess

she was.

> Cold, tired and cranky. After seeing Dr. Wu, the herbal master at

our school, he

> said, Ohhhh,, you need meat. All kinds of meat. Meat at every

meal. Three

> times a day.

>

> She had a steak for the first time in years and she has

continued to

> become stronger and more healthy.

>

> This seems to be he norm.

>

> Chris

>

>

>

>

>

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According to Dr peter D'Adamo quite a lot depends on your blood type and one

in particular seems to benefit from not eating meat or certainly avoiding

the majority of meats.

Susie

 

> Of course different people react differently to being a vegetarian.

> It's not for everyone, neither is the consumption of meat. IMO,

> apart from personal beliefs or attitudes, it all comes down to your

> constitution.

>

>

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Hi everyone...I think it's Pete who wrote the post

below, I apologise if I messed things up.

 

> petet@a... writes:

> Gradually,

> in spite of using vitamins, minerals and a

> " protein balanced " vegetarian

> diet, I developed a laundry list of deficiencies

> and syndromes that took

> some time to resolve. Human beings are omnivorous,

> intended by their nature

> to eat both vegetables and meat, politics and fads

> notwithstanding.

 

Well, there are so many viewpoints...our intestines

are so long you know...personally, I think humans are,

above all, adaptable. Maybe that's why we seem to

demonstrate so many biological contradictions. Or

maybe we're just confused.

 

You make an interesting point about the mineral, vit

and protein supplementation you attempted. The bulk of

yoru article describes very well the north american

(or perhaps western) vegetarian. In my experience, if

one doesn't take flavours, thermal energy etc into

consideration, one will find it almost impossibel to

balance the body.

Vegetarians need to:

1. Eat several smaller meals, regularly, based on

whole grains, cooked vegetables, legumes and seeds.

2. Live in a warm climate, and if they do not, they

MUST

3. practice some form of meditation to make their

physiological processes mroe efficient and to prevent

energy loss through emotional upheavals.

4. balance their diet/life through or

other similar systems - mainly avoiding cold damp

foods and practicinf energy refining and accumulation

exercises.

5. have discipline. The people I've spoken to often

find this last point to be somewhat of a downer. I

say, suck it up.

 

> IME, (In my experience), virtually all people

> who have been vegetarians

> for more than a year, begin to have imbalances

> that do not correct without the

> inclusion of meat.

 

I believe that the problem might be that the

vegetarians you see are 'north-american' style (raw

foods, insufficient food, cold-energy foods, dairy,

cheese and bread, poor discipline). Also considering

that I, not having health problems and yet being a

vegetarian, would obviously not be seeking medical

help.

I've not eaten any meat (or dairy/cheese or bread) in

14 years. My work days are quite long and I function

quite well. I do have my problems which lurk under the

surface, and they involve liver yin deficiency, but I

am human, and it is true that vegetarianism " causes "

blood deficiency and qi deficiency. Just like meat

eating " causes " phlegm accumulation and excess

heat/fire.

I look at it only as a matter of balance. Of course

some people shouldn't be vegetarians. One needs to do

the right things at the right time, and one really

needs to have a sort of discipline about the whole

thing. And if one doesn't put these things into play,

then of course one will end up with problems. Being

irresponsible or uninformed can do that.

 

> > make a chioce of starting to eat animals or living

> on the planet, unhealthy for a less time.

 

My mom is 56 and has not eaten meat since 1985 (and

low meat intake throughout her life since we're from

South America), and she fell down one floor's worth of

stairs a couple of months ago - not even a bruise

folks. I guarantee that her meat eating co-workers

would have broken at least one bone, it /was/ a bad

fall (she did feel one of her hamstrings a little

tight, pulled).

The other time she fell (!! haha) was about 2 years

ago, and she fell onto the subway platform with her

cheekbone!! (She was holding a lot of bags in her

hands) Again, not even a bruise. No swelling, no pain,

nada (pronounced natha).

She's vegetarian, what can I say.

 

She will come to me for treatments, but there's also

an older chinese man who is a CM doctor right near her

house, and she goes to see him several times a year.

He says she's fine. I recently convinced her to get a

bloodtest (to prove to her how well she is). Her

bloodtest is EXCELLENT! Her haemoglobin was a little

below the middle figure, and still

_well_within_normal_.

 

If you read Paul Pritchford's " healing with whole

foods " you may find that the problem si not

vegetarianism, but _improper_pattern_ discrimination_

and improper dietary therapy. Period.

 

Thanks for reading, hope this clears up some things.

 

Hugo

 

 

 

 

 

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Hello everyone,

 

 

 

I have been Vegetarian for 27 years and have experimented with many diets

during that time. I remained strong and healthy and extremely active through

three pregnancies. I felt at my strongest when I was eating a strict

Macrobiotic diet, and as I don't eat fish, I was effectively vegan. Like

Attillio, I am now suffering from spleen deficiency, because I am combining

running a home and family with studying TCM, so I am sleep deprived and

don't always tune in to my body's needs. I agree with Hugo, the problem is

very much about improper pattern discrimination and improper dietary therapy

and not about vegetarianism.

 

 

 

Margella

 

 

If you read Paul Pritchford's " healing with whole

foods " you may find that the problem si not

vegetarianism, but _improper_pattern_ discrimination_

and improper dietary therapy. Period.

 

Thanks for reading, hope this clears up some things.

 

Hugo

 

 

 

 

 

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Something I've noticed for me is that climate has alot to do with my

diet. In the moderate climate of los angeles I could eat relatively

light food. In the damp east, it varies from needing root veggies and

meat alot in the winter to eating lots of salad in the summer. In

the high altitude desert of new mexico, steak was an absolute

necessity, and I needed a high protein source twice a day. I also

know someone else who was vegetarian for 15 years until moving to new

mexico and then started eating steak. The blood type diet also seems

to fit me pretty well, being type O and craving meat and being at my

best with high energy exercise.

 

With that said, I know healthy vegetarians that do construction work

all day long and have enough energy left over to build their own

homes on the weekend. And while being vegetarian works for them, if I

tried it I would wither away and die a slow painful death.

 

--brian

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--- briansbeard <brian_s_beard wrote: >

if I

> tried it I would wither away and die a slow painful

> death.

 

hahahaha

 

Hugo

 

 

 

 

 

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Hi Hugo!

 

Yes, if you do *everything* just right as a vegetarian, you will be ok. How

many patients, even those who read lists such as this, do *everything* just

right? Obviously not the person to whom I replied. Come to think of it, I

couldn't be that " perfect " myself. For me, and most people, balance

includes a little meat.

 

At 03:23 PM 4/26/2004, you wrote:<snip>

> Vegetarians need to:

>1. Eat several smaller meals, regularly, based on whole grains, cooked

>vegetables, legumes and seeds. 2. Live in a warm climate, and if they do

>not, they

>MUST 3. practice some form of meditation to make their physiological

>processes mroe efficient and to prevent energy loss through emotional

>upheavals. 4. balance their diet/life through or other

>similar systems - mainly avoiding cold damp foods and practicinf energy

>refining and accumulation exercises. 5. have discipline. The people I've

>spoken to often find this last point to be somewhat of a downer. I say,

>suck it up. <snip>

 

Regards,

 

Pete

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Cow Conversations

 

I got a cross-over post from moo.folk saying they were interested

in the interest on this forum in them. The conversation by email followed

this

pattern, ending up with a personal visit, which I offer here in précis

fashion:

 

HowCow: Hi. I am the moderator at moo.folk and was wondering

at the interest in our folk. Can we do anything to help nurture this?

 

Myself: Uh. I guess not. They are interested in you folks but not the way

you think.

 

HowCow: I am confused, what do you mean?

 

Myself: I mean they are talking about you but not about you, if you know

what I mean.

 

HowCow: But are they not into cow anthropology and how we came onto this

planet?

 

Myself: No. They are more interested in how to make you exit this planet.

 

HowCow: Most strange. Are they alien beings?

 

Myself: Sure looks that way sometimes. But I suggest you let go, and go

away.

 

HowCow: How odd! OK, if you say so. Can I leave my card?

 

Myself: They have a lot of you, so don't bother.

 

HowCow: How is that?

 

[Moment of Truth]

 

Myself: They have your rump inside them, your skin on their feet, your bone

in their

button hole, your intestines in the gut which sews them at surgery, your

blood on their

wheat fields and fruit gardens. Folks to the Wes even have your empty

grinning skull

with long horns adorning saloons and entry doorways.

 

HowCow: You mean they EAT us? Are you serious?

 

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Myself: Right after they have your head in place, they smash your skull in

with a 1000

pound hammer, so your midbrain is in your hind quarters. This way what

happens next

is something you know little about.

 

HowCow: But that's where they say they are taking our photographs!

 

Myself: They are taking, all right. But not your photos.

 

[HowCow muses. Decides. Speaks.]

 

HowCow: I think, don't mind this, that you are a little misinformed. Humans

are the sweetest beings going this side of Alpha Centauri.

 

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approaching]

 

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portrait.

I will see you later OK? Don't be offended, but you should get your facts

straight.

 

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clasps shut, walks over to the heavy headed hammer, with gore and cerebrum

still on it from yesterday's slaughter. He flips a toothpick from his mouth,

blows

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to listen to oldies from the Grateful Dead when he works. He focuses the

hammer-head in between HowCow's eyes, which seem smiling and trusting.

He hawks up, turns to spit, and quite engrossed in the music, flips the

switch

to send the heavy hammer crashing on the unsuspecting, if somewhat foolish

head ...]

 

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--- Pete Theisen <petet wrote:

 

> Hi Hugo!

 

Hi Pete! I think I attributed certain things to you

that weren't yours. Sorry about that.

 

> Yes, if you do *everything* just right as a

> vegetarian, you will be ok.

 

I agree with your point, and I feel I shoudl state

that one does _not_ have to be perfect, simply,

informed, diligent and disciplined. All are achievable

states. Perhaps even desirable states.

 

> How

> many patients, even those who read lists such as

> this, do *everything* just

> right?

 

That is why people get sick in general, from what

I've seen.

 

> Obviously not the person to whom I replied.

 

That's absolutely corrct. The only idea I was

responding to, and I apologise for not writing mroe

clearly was the following: " Vegetarians are

unhealthy. " That's the only thing I dispute because it

is wholeheartedly incorrect.

 

> Come to think of it, I

> couldn't be that " perfect " myself. For me, and most

> people, balance

> includes a little meat.

 

If people only ate a little meat, then they'd be

mostly vegetarians, and we'd have a more balanced

world. However, those who choose to go without meat,

applying their practice correctly, would also do very

well.

 

Thank you, Pete,

Hugo

 

 

 

 

 

 

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Hi Hugo!

 

You know, in the 5 years or so that I was a vegetarian, I think I practiced

it pretty well. I got whacked anyway. From my personal experience I

maintain that you have to be a *perfect* vegetarian or it won't work.

 

If you can't be a *perfect* vegetarian, you can have a *little* meat and be

ok. But *never* a lot of meat.

 

At 11:38 AM 4/27/2004, you wrote:<snip>

 

> I agree with your point, and I feel I shoudl state

>that one does _not_ have to be perfect, simply,

>informed, diligent and disciplined.

 

Regards,

 

Pete

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--- Pete Theisen <petet wrote:

 

Hi pete, thx for the reply.

 

> it pretty well. I got whacked anyway. From my

> personal experience I

> maintain that you have to be a *perfect* vegetarian

> or it won't work.

 

Ok. I'll maintain my opposite stance too.

 

Thanks,

Hugo

 

 

 

 

 

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Hi Hugo!

 

Would be interesting to revisit the issue every year or so, if we are still

alive and think to do so.

 

At 08:43 AM 4/28/2004, you wrote:

> --- Pete Theisen <petet wrote:

>

> Hi pete, thx for the reply.

>

> > it pretty well. I got whacked anyway. From my

> > personal experience I

> > maintain that you have to be a *perfect* vegetarian

> > or it won't work.

>

> Ok. I'll maintain my opposite stance too.

>

> Thanks,

> Hugo

 

Regards,

 

Pete

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--- Pete Theisen <petet wrote:

 

> Would be interesting to revisit the issue every year

> or so, if we are still

> alive and think to do so.

 

haha, ok. I get stronger every year though. But

there's no end to change either.

 

See you,

Hugo

 

 

 

 

 

 

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