Guest guest Posted April 19, 2004 Report Share Posted April 19, 2004 IMO, it would be preferrable to say the patient states a strict religious belief system was part of the emotional problem, rather than specifying the religion itself. As an ordained minister and former seminary instructor, this would be appropriate. Pam Price Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 19, 2004 Report Share Posted April 19, 2004 Exactly Pam, thanks for stating what I thought was the obvious. This is the way I envisage group discussions to be conducted. It's anything but censorship or an over-reaction, rather I'm just guiding the talk along a clear and logical pathway without going off the core subject of TCM and discussing topics that aren't related to this group. If any members feel this is not the way they want to discuss in this group, then there welcome to either lurk or leave. Kind regards Attilio <Chinese Traditional Medicine> Chinese Traditional Medicine Pam Price [needledoc] 19 April 2004 05:38 Chinese Medicine religion in text IMO, it would be preferrable to say the patient states a strict religious belief system was part of the emotional problem, rather than specifying the religion itself. As an ordained minister and former seminary instructor, this would be appropriate. Pam Price Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 19, 2004 Report Share Posted April 19, 2004 Hi Attilio! What Pam has described is indeed political correctness, big time. Requiring political correctness *is* censorship and over-reaction, regardless of how *you* see it. OK, so instead of the wired-to-the-eagle trip, being buried alive, snake-box captivity, flaming hoops, wearing feathers, smoking peace pipes and forced swimming with snakes I have to bunch all of that into the amorphous Pam-speak " patient states a strict religious belief system was part of the emotional problem " and if anyone doesn't like it they can " lurk or leave " , as you put it. Did you even read your " lurk or leave " reply before you posted it? I guess you *did* learn something in China, Chinese-style regulation of the Internet. As an update note, the patient in question told me on her most recent visit that she was forced to watch as the (unspecified) religious leaders killed her older sister because the two of them had left the (unspecified) reservation for a few hours. If she refused to watch she also would have been killed. Was that " patient states a strict religious belief system was part of the emotional problem " too? At 05:08 AM 4/19/2004, you wrote: >Exactly Pam, thanks for stating what I thought was the obvious. > >This is the way I envisage group discussions to be conducted. It's anything >but censorship or an over-reaction, rather I'm just guiding the talk along a >clear and logical pathway without going off the core subject of TCM and >discussing topics that aren't related to this group. > >If any members feel this is not the way they want to discuss in this group, >then there welcome to either lurk or leave. > >Kind regards > >Attilio Regards, Pete Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 19, 2004 Report Share Posted April 19, 2004 Like i said before, i believe Pam's sentence to be the correct way to describe the situation. We don't need to hear of the detail of the incident as you have done below as it doesn't aid in the discussion of the treatment. Nor do we need to hear what religion it was assigned to, they're all just as good or bad as each other. Yes, i was indeed cautious about my `lurk or leave' comments. I've been secretly harbouring these feelings for quite come time. Running a group is alot more hard work than i ever thought it would be. At the start i gave it a free run, didn't work, then i tried to please all parties, didn't work. So now i listen to all sides and make my own decision. Of course, not everyone will agree with it as we're all individual, no problem, i'm not forcing you to. If i think some comments are not correctly placed for this group, either voice them in another group or don't at all. It's nothing personal, and not meant to be an attack, its a statement of my own feelings on this matter, that's all. If anyone wants to discuss this topic, instead of bogging down the discussions of TCM, please contact me OFF LIST. Kind regards, Attilio Pete Theisen <petet@a...> wrote: > Hi Attilio! > > What Pam has described is indeed political correctness, big time. Requiring > political correctness *is* censorship and over-reaction, regardless of how > *you* see it. > > OK, so instead of the wired-to-the-eagle trip, being buried alive, > snake-box captivity, flaming hoops, wearing feathers, smoking peace > pipes and forced swimming with snakes I have to bunch all of that into the > amorphous Pam-speak " patient states a strict religious belief system was > part of the emotional problem " and if anyone doesn't like it they can " lurk > or leave " , as you put it. > > Did you even read your " lurk or leave " reply before you posted it? I guess > you *did* learn something in China, Chinese-style regulation of the Internet. > > As an update note, the patient in question told me on her most recent visit > that she was forced to watch as the (unspecified) religious leaders killed > her older sister because the two of them had left the (unspecified) > reservation for a few hours. If she refused to watch she also would have > been killed. Was that " patient states a strict religious belief system was > part of the emotional problem " too? > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 20, 2004 Report Share Posted April 20, 2004 Hi Attilio! OK, you are " the man " . What are the new rules? They can't be that different that you would wait to the monthly update to let them out of the bag. I have noticed that list members have sometimes contacted me off list, but I have not felt the need to do so. If I had felt the need, I don't know that I have their email addresses and I don't know how people are getting mine. At 06:11 AM 4/19/2004, you wrote: >Like i said before, i believe Pam's sentence to be the correct way >to describe the situation. We don't need to hear of the detail of >the incident Regards, Pete Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 20, 2004 Report Share Posted April 20, 2004 Hi Pete. The new rules are contained within a list of FAQs and are as follows: Fequently Asked Questions (FAQs) Q. What laws govern the use of the group? A. As is based in the USA, all American laws apply. Q. Can i ask the group for help with my patient? A. Yes you can. you must obtain the patient's written consent before hand and when posting the message to the group, you must not include the patient's name, date of birth, geographical location or any Govt. security numbers. Q. Can i tell the group about my conference or workshop? A. Sure, no problem. All members are allowed to tell the group about their conference or workshop. Although just one post per event. Q. Why doesn't my message appear on the website when i've just posted it? A. Sometimes there's a rather annoying time delay in the server which delays messages from a few minutes to a few hours. Q. Can i upload articles to the files section of the group? A. Yes no problem. If the article is not yours, you must obtain the writers or publishers permission before hand. Q. How can i change my email delivery settings? A. Go to the group's home page Chinese Traditional Medicine/ and click; 'edit my membership'. Scroll down and select either " WebOnly/NoMail " , " Daily Digest " or " Special Notices " . Q. Can i talk to someone about another question i have? A. Sure, the list owner's email address is <Chinese Medicine-owner >. All members can email other members. A member may do this by either going to the web site, signing in and finding the member in the members section or by changing the reply delivery email address when replying to a message, as the message always contains 3 email addresses, the original recipient, the group's email address or the list owner. This is part of the free access to all, unlike other lists that close this section off. If any member has been experiencing hostile messages from other members or does not want to have their email address open like this to other members, or has any questions or comments about the FAQs, please contact me OFF LIST. Attilio Pete Theisen <petet@a...> wrote: > Hi Attilio! > What are the new rules? They can't be that different that you would wait to the monthly update to let them out of the bag. I have noticed that list members have sometimes contacted me off list, but I have not felt the need to do so. If I had felt the need, I don't know that I have their email addresses and I don't know how people are getting mine. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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