Guest guest Posted April 13, 2004 Report Share Posted April 13, 2004 Hi Attilio There is a lot to be read over here http://www.chinesemedicaldiabetes.com/ on this question. I think TCM has certainly an answer to DM also with blood testing as diagnostic method. Read some of the articles on the website above. Best wishes Alwin Chinese Medicine , " Attilio DAlberto " <attiliodalberto> wrote: > Hi all, > > I was speaking to a doctor the other day about diabetes. He gave a > small talk on the differences between WM and TCM perspectives of > diabetes. > > He said that historically diabetes in TCM was always diagnosed and > therefore treated in the late stages. Shang Ke, Zhong Ke, Xia Ke = > Yin deficiency + heat / Ying & Yang – The theory is not good enough > to treat the diabetes nowadays. Historically, weight loss, lack of > control all pronounced was the last stage – nowadays urine test, > blood test, check it early and catch it so it is a different > picture. > > Is TCM's view of diabetes out of date? Or can it still be applied in > today's fluid analysis driven medicine? Can TCM compete with WM in > this syndrome? > > Attilio Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 13, 2004 Report Share Posted April 13, 2004 Attilio: Is TCM's view of diabetes out of date? Or can it still be applied in today's fluid analysis driven medicine? Can TCM compete with WM in this syndrome? > > It can't be out of date because it still works. On the other hand the " fluid analysis driven medicine " does not have much to offer as remedy other than the body profile at any given time, and in its lieu, symptom relief. Of late I have been looking at the issue of thyroid status as it is surmised by lab tests. They so much as tell you that TSF and TH estimations may be off the mark 20 to 30 %. What can that do for a patient who is desperately looking for a diagnosis? That an early morning basal body temperature reading with the pulse rate can tell more of the thyroid status than the lab test is galling. One costs nothing and is accurate, the other an exorbitant sum, and is not dependable. There are a half a dozen " tight " points on the body which can give an immidiate answer to the question of an ill thyroid. If treated by release, these say that a balance has been reached. I think that as the vanguard of healers we should be painfully clear in our thinking, and make sure where we tend; to a mix-up of TCM-WM, or to orthodox TCM. Doubtlessly there are areas where WM is the system of choice. On the other hand, if a perspective is keep as a beacon, TCM will have the answer to a great many problems patients walk in with. After all, if it is WM patients are seeking, they might as well go to someone trained in it. I am sure they don't want a TCM healer to address their complaints in the WM mode. Its a lot like having an MD make a TCM diagnosis. Dr. Holmes Keikobad MB BS DPH Ret. DIP AC NCCAOM LIC AC CO & AZ www.acu-free.com - 15 CEUS by video. NCCAOM reviewed. Approved in CA & most states. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 13, 2004 Report Share Posted April 13, 2004 Hi Doc, What are those tight points for the thyroid? > [Original Message] > Dr. Holmes Keikobad <acuheal > <Chinese Medicine > > 4/13/04 11:00:28 AM > Re: Diabetes Mellitus (DM) > > Attilio: > Is TCM's view of diabetes out of date? Or can it still be applied in > today's fluid analysis driven medicine? Can TCM compete with WM in > this syndrome? > > > > > It can't be out of date because it still works. > > On the other hand the " fluid analysis driven medicine " does not have much to > offer as remedy other than the body profile at any given time, and in its > lieu, symptom relief. > > Of late I have been looking at the issue of thyroid status as it is surmised > by > lab tests. They so much as tell you that TSF and TH estimations may be off > the mark 20 to 30 %. > > What can that do for a patient who is desperately looking for a diagnosis? > That an early morning basal body temperature reading with the pulse rate > can tell more of the thyroid status than the lab test is galling. One costs > nothing and is accurate, the other an exorbitant sum, and is not dependable. > > There are a half a dozen " tight " points on the body which can give an > immidiate answer to the question of an ill thyroid. If treated by release, > these say that a balance has been reached. > > I think that as the vanguard of healers we should be painfully clear in our > thinking, and make sure where we tend; to a mix-up of TCM-WM, or to > orthodox TCM. > > Doubtlessly there are areas where WM is the system of choice. On the other > hand, if a perspective is keep as a beacon, TCM will have the answer to > a great many problems patients walk in with. > > After all, if it is WM patients are seeking, they might as well go to > someone > trained in it. I am sure they don't want a TCM healer to address their > complaints in the WM mode. > > Its a lot like having an MD make a TCM diagnosis. > > Dr. Holmes Keikobad > MB BS DPH Ret. DIP AC NCCAOM LIC AC CO & AZ > www.acu-free.com - 15 CEUS by video. > NCCAOM reviewed. Approved in CA & most states. > > > > > > Membership requires that you do not post any commerical, swear, religious, spam messages,flame another member or swear. > > To change your email delivery settings, Chinese Medicine/ click ‘edit my membership' on the right hand side and adjust accordingly. > > If you , it takes a few days for the messages to stop being delivered. > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 13, 2004 Report Share Posted April 13, 2004 Joe Hatrak > Hi Doc, What are those tight points for the thyroid? > > By Matsumoto and Master Nagano et al:- a. ST 9: palpate down in a straight trajectory to lateral aspect of larynx. Reaction: if there is a clear tenderness, Thyroid reflex is +ve. b. Strnomastoid muscle: palpate the medial aspect pf the lower 1/2 of muscle. Recation: if there is a clear tenderness, hardness, flex is +ve. c. Back Shu for Thyroid: C 3 shu point. Reaction: if the point is tender, Thyroid ref is +ve. By Su Jok system: a. palpate yin aspect of 2nd phalanx of thumb. Reaction: if the point is tender, Thyroid ref is +ve. b. palpate yin aspect of great toe 2nd phalanx, Reaction: same as above. Something to read about Su Joc: http://www.naturaltherapycenter.com/su_jok_therapy/ By Matsumoto and Master Nagano et al:- Where you release a reflex and more or less confirm a thyroid imbalance. More in her book. Dr. Holmes Keikobad MB BS DPH Ret. DIP AC NCCAOM LIC AC CO & AZ www.acu-free.com - 15 CEUS by video. NCCAOM reviewed. Approved in CA & most states. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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