Guest guest Posted March 4, 2010 Report Share Posted March 4, 2010 Why do the back shu points skip a vertebra at T8? - " Al Stone " <al <Chinese Traditional Medicine > Thursday, March 04, 2010 8:14 PM Re: [Chinese Traditional Medicine] Questions? > Hi Michelle, > > I'm sure there's a list of bitter foods at acupuncture.com somewhere, but > I > can provide a couple off the top of my head (this is the lightning round > after all). > > The first bitter food is called " ku gua " in Chinese. That translates to > " bitter melon " and is widely available at Asian food markets. Bitter melon > was featured in some research study that just came out in the past week or > so. Something about bitter melon proving to be a good preventive food for > breast cancer. > > Bitter, when used as a medicinal property serves to clear heat. Heat > manifests as hyperactivity, restlessness, infections, red things, etc. > Bitter is also the flavor associated with the Fire Phase (from the Chinese > medicine theory of Five Phases or elements). > > This bitter is actually the flavor or taste of charred food, which has > been > exposed to fire. That's why food that has been charred counts as bitter > foods medicinally. Now you don't want to eat the wrong foods, whatever > that > may mean, but by charring foods that will accept it, you can get some > bitter > energy into just about anything you eat. > > -al. > > On Thu, Mar 4, 2010 at 4:48 PM, Michelle Ann Mauro > <mauro.michelle >> wrote: > >> >> >> i'll try to play along. >> >> I have been told I need to eat more bitter foods, what are some examples >> that are readily available. >> >> >> On Thu, Mar 4, 2010 at 3:45 PM, Al Stone <al >> <al%40gancao.net>> >> wrote: >> >> > Okay, lightning round... quick questions... who's first? >> > >> > > -- > , DAOM > Pain is inevitable, suffering is optional. > http://twitter.com/algancao > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 4, 2010 Report Share Posted March 4, 2010 Okay, lightning round... quick questions... who's first? -- , DAOM Pain is inevitable, suffering is optional. http://twitter.com/algancao Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 5, 2010 Report Share Posted March 5, 2010 i'll try to play along. I have been told I need to eat more bitter foods, what are some examples that are readily available. On Thu, Mar 4, 2010 at 3:45 PM, Al Stone <al wrote: > Okay, lightning round... quick questions... who's first? > > -- > , DAOM > Pain is inevitable, suffering is optional. > http://twitter.com/algancao > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 5, 2010 Report Share Posted March 5, 2010 Hi Michelle, I'm sure there's a list of bitter foods at acupuncture.com somewhere, but I can provide a couple off the top of my head (this is the lightning round after all). The first bitter food is called " ku gua " in Chinese. That translates to " bitter melon " and is widely available at Asian food markets. Bitter melon was featured in some research study that just came out in the past week or so. Something about bitter melon proving to be a good preventive food for breast cancer. Bitter, when used as a medicinal property serves to clear heat. Heat manifests as hyperactivity, restlessness, infections, red things, etc. Bitter is also the flavor associated with the Fire Phase (from the Chinese medicine theory of Five Phases or elements). This bitter is actually the flavor or taste of charred food, which has been exposed to fire. That's why food that has been charred counts as bitter foods medicinally. Now you don't want to eat the wrong foods, whatever that may mean, but by charring foods that will accept it, you can get some bitter energy into just about anything you eat. -al. On Thu, Mar 4, 2010 at 4:48 PM, Michelle Ann Mauro <mauro.michelle > wrote: > > > i'll try to play along. > > I have been told I need to eat more bitter foods, what are some examples > that are readily available. > > > On Thu, Mar 4, 2010 at 3:45 PM, Al Stone <al <al%40gancao.net>> > wrote: > > > Okay, lightning round... quick questions... who's first? > > > -- , DAOM Pain is inevitable, suffering is optional. http://twitter.com/algancao Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 5, 2010 Report Share Posted March 5, 2010 Hi everyone I have a patient that cannot taste or smell. Does anyone have experience with this? Thanks Gali Riddle Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 5, 2010 Report Share Posted March 5, 2010 I thought it was used for diabetes. Here's another question: Why isn't Yintang part of the Du meridian? - " Al Stone " <al <Chinese Traditional Medicine > Friday, March 05, 2010 8:59 AM Re: [Chinese Traditional Medicine] Questions? > The back-shu points really don't skip a vertebra at T8, but the point > there > on the back-shu line is not always thought of as attached to a particular > organ. > > The point is called " weiwanxiashu " which means " Inferior (meaning lower, > not > a statement of quality) Stomach Point " . So it is used with other stomach > points for stomach problems. > > However, I remember this being referred to as a ghost point too, meaning > as > you mentioned, it seems to be an invisible point on a channel that has a > point at each vertebra. > > I remember once hearing that if you burn 100 cones of moxa on that " ghost > point " that you can cure " any disease " which is not to be taken literally. > It was either that point, or that level on the midline. I don't see this > mentioned in my book, so I'm not 100% sure I have this right. > > Also, I vaguely recall that this point is used for " weird diseases " which > is > one of the definitions of " phlegm " . So, it is a point for phlegm causing > weird diseases too. > > Maybe some of the other acupuncturists here can better recall these > functions. I'm sure that I'm not the only one who was taught this > approach. > > -al. > > On Thu, Mar 4, 2010 at 11:39 AM, Mercurius Trismegistus < > magisterium_magnum wrote: > >> >> >> Why do the back shu points skip a vertebra at T8? >> >> > -- > , DAOM > Pain is inevitable, suffering is optional. > http://twitter.com/algancao > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 5, 2010 Report Share Posted March 5, 2010 The back-shu points really don't skip a vertebra at T8, but the point there on the back-shu line is not always thought of as attached to a particular organ. The point is called " weiwanxiashu " which means " Inferior (meaning lower, not a statement of quality) Stomach Point " . So it is used with other stomach points for stomach problems. However, I remember this being referred to as a ghost point too, meaning as you mentioned, it seems to be an invisible point on a channel that has a point at each vertebra. I remember once hearing that if you burn 100 cones of moxa on that " ghost point " that you can cure " any disease " which is not to be taken literally. It was either that point, or that level on the midline. I don't see this mentioned in my book, so I'm not 100% sure I have this right. Also, I vaguely recall that this point is used for " weird diseases " which is one of the definitions of " phlegm " . So, it is a point for phlegm causing weird diseases too. Maybe some of the other acupuncturists here can better recall these functions. I'm sure that I'm not the only one who was taught this approach. -al. On Thu, Mar 4, 2010 at 11:39 AM, Mercurius Trismegistus < magisterium_magnum wrote: > > > Why do the back shu points skip a vertebra at T8? > > -- , DAOM Pain is inevitable, suffering is optional. http://twitter.com/algancao Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 5, 2010 Report Share Posted March 5, 2010 I am almost sure that we learned this point as the " wasting and thirsting " point. Used for diabetes Gali Riddle Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry Al Stone <al Fri, 5 Mar 2010 08:59:54 <Chinese Traditional Medicine > Re: [Chinese Traditional Medicine] Questions? The back-shu points really don't skip a vertebra at T8, but the point there on the back-shu line is not always thought of as attached to a particular organ. The point is called " weiwanxiashu " which means " Inferior (meaning lower, not a statement of quality) Stomach Point " . So it is used with other stomach points for stomach problems. However, I remember this being referred to as a ghost point too, meaning as you mentioned, it seems to be an invisible point on a channel that has a point at each vertebra. I remember once hearing that if you burn 100 cones of moxa on that " ghost point " that you can cure " any disease " which is not to be taken literally. It was either that point, or that level on the midline. I don't see this mentioned in my book, so I'm not 100% sure I have this right. Also, I vaguely recall that this point is used for " weird diseases " which is one of the definitions of " phlegm " . So, it is a point for phlegm causing weird diseases too. Maybe some of the other acupuncturists here can better recall these functions. I'm sure that I'm not the only one who was taught this approach. -al. On Thu, Mar 4, 2010 at 11:39 AM, Mercurius Trismegistus < magisterium_magnum wrote: > > > Why do the back shu points skip a vertebra at T8? > > -- , DAOM Pain is inevitable, suffering is optional. http://twitter.com/algancao Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 5, 2010 Report Share Posted March 5, 2010 Nothing beyond the obvious of opening the sinuses. You can also look for phlegm or damp encumbering the Spleen and/or Heart. If there is Spleen damp, the taste sense can be clouded. If there is phlegm in the Heart, the acuity of all senses would be affected. Patient might also be depressed or apathetic in this presentation. -al. On Fri, Mar 5, 2010 at 6:46 AM, <ebbandflow5 wrote: > > > Hi everyone > I have a patient that cannot taste or smell. Does anyone have experience > with this? Thanks > > Gali Riddle > -- , DAOM Pain is inevitable, suffering is optional. http://twitter.com/algancao Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 6, 2010 Report Share Posted March 6, 2010 I think you're right. I remember it being called the " pancreas shu " by some supervisors. On Fri, Mar 5, 2010 at 6:49 AM, Mercurius Trismegistus < magisterium_magnum wrote: > > > I thought it was used for diabetes. > Here's another question: Why isn't Yintang part of the Du meridian? > -- , DAOM Pain is inevitable, suffering is optional. http://twitter.com/algancao Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 6, 2010 Report Share Posted March 6, 2010 One of my major teachers defined it categorically as the pancreas shu. So I can definitely agree with that. Hugo ________________________________ Hugo Ramiro http://middlemedicine.wordpress.com http://www.middlemedicine.org ________________________________ Al Stone <al Chinese Traditional Medicine Fri, 5 March, 2010 19:53:29 Re: [Chinese Traditional Medicine] Questions? I think you're right. I remember it being called the " pancreas shu " by some supervisors. On Fri, Mar 5, 2010 at 6:49 AM, Mercurius Trismegistus < magisterium_ magnum (AT) comcast (DOT) net> wrote: > > > I thought it was used for diabetes. > Here's another question: Why isn't Yintang part of the Du meridian? > -- , DAOM Pain is inevitable, suffering is optional. http://twitter. com/algancao Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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