Guest guest Posted November 26, 2009 Report Share Posted November 26, 2009 does anyone know of any herbs that can help with copd I have a friend who is not able to afford the medication and I can't find any herbs to suggest. Have given accupressure points and essential oils but am looking for more information to give this person. I know there are more experienced people here so I am asking for help please and thank you Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 26, 2009 Report Share Posted November 26, 2009 My guess is there is someone who can help you here. I thought I would just mention this because you're not going to be able to get a lot of help until you can really describe what's going on with your friend in ways that work with TCM. COPD ends up being a western diagnosis and has some limited use but would need more clarification to get to a TCM diagnosis (a western disease can and often does have more than one TCM presentation). Clarification that might be useful is how would your friend describe how they feel with this condition? I mean obviously they probably have a hard time getting enough oxygen, but is there anything that aggravates or helps out? What caused the problem to begin with? If it was smoking, are they still smoking or were they able to quit? How old are they, what kind of condition are they in, how's their diet and activity level? Does the individual feel hot or cold? What other types of things do they have going on with their health? Have they had any problems with clots? etc etc etc The main goal is to figure out what type of a pattern they have according to how TCM would describe it before you can figure out what herbs would be useful. Good Luck =) Chinese Traditional Medicine , " rose " <shamandot wrote: > > does anyone know of any herbs that can help with copd I have a friend who is not able to afford the medication and I can't find any herbs to suggest. Have given accupressure points and essential oils but am looking for more information to give this person. I know there are more experienced people here so I am asking for help please and thank you > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 26, 2009 Report Share Posted November 26, 2009 Thank you for answering my question here are some of the answers to your questions Clarification that might be useful is how would your friend describe how they feel with this condition? tired and yes lacking oxygen also stressed out I mean obviously they probably have a hard time getting enough oxygen, but is there anything that aggravates or helps out? What caused the problem to begin with? If it was smoking, are they still smoking or were they able to quit? Smoking may have played a factor but quit in the 70 genetics also play a part as others in family have had similar problems How old are they, what kind of condition are they in, how's their diet and activity level? In there late 40 's diet is not all that great but trying to change over to the blood type diet Activity not much as this kinda takes her breath away to quickly..trying to get into exercise simple stuff ie stretching Does the individual feel hot or cold? Cold What other types of things do they have going on with their health? Other then the copd she is doing quite fine Have they had any problems with clots? etc etc etc don't remeber her mentioning it at anytime The main goal is to figure out what type of a pattern they have according to how TCM would describe it before you can figure out what herbs would be useful. Okay you got me here can you help me help her figure out the pattern. As you can tell I am still learning TCM Thanks for the help this person is special to me and I would love to help her out. We are always learning and improving and coming closer to our spiritual beings All writings unless stated are copyrighted to D. Guze Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 27, 2009 Report Share Posted November 27, 2009 Chinese Traditional Medicine , " rose " <shamandot wrote: > > does anyone know of any herbs that can help with copd I have a friend who is not able to afford the medication and I can't find any herbs to suggest. Have given accupressure points and essential oils but am looking for more information to give this person. I know there are more experienced people here so I am asking for help please and thank you > --------------------- Dear shamandot, I'm new in this group and I am suppose to observe first what goes on in this group site before posting anything. But I sense the urgency of your friend because I myself suffered COPD before. I know how difficult it is to suffer with that illness. The cause of COPD is damaged lungs and there is no known cure. They only have drugs for relief. To your question there might be a possible solution. Here it is. One of my patients reported to me that his COPD was healed because he himself did much research on herbs and concluded that " Ocra " (or is it also called Lady Finger?) He described me his procedure. Then after a few years I myself suffered COPD. I remembered his procedure with the ocra, so I did it the way he describe it to me. in the course of 6 months my diagnosis of emphysema later was reduced to asthma - a lesser problem. Here is his procedure: take enough ocra as much as you can hold in one hand. Wash clean it and cut a little on both ends. Boil it to a cooked condition (about 4 or 5 min?) Remove the water. Let cool a little and mash it with one hand. Place in a drinking glass and drink all of it including the slimy sap and the seed. I myself close my eyes as I drink it. Do this once (1 glass) a day. According to my client's description I followed suit and did it for 6 months. My COPH do not appear in my x-ray anymore - I have now normal chest x-ray. Please remember that these are our testimonies only. They worked for us and made our COPD disappear. I cannot guarantee that it will work for your friend. Your have just have to ask him try it to see if it do work for him. After all ocra is cheap. God bless, and good health, dking3300 ps: I still have my old and new x-ray with me Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 27, 2009 Report Share Posted November 27, 2009 There is an abstract Bob Flaws translated of a research study in China on COPD that showed that 30mg 3x per day of Re Chuan Ping He Ji proved beneficial in addition to western treatments. That formula is Re Chuan Ping He Ji: Ma Huang, Xing Ren, Gan Cao, Jie Geng, Zhe Bei Mu, Zi Su Zi, and Lai Fu Zi, 10g each, uncooked Shi Gao, Yu Xing Cao, and Quan Gua Lou, 30g each, Fu Ling, Bai Zhu, and Zhu Ru, 15g, and Chen Pi, 6g. The link to that is here: http://www.bluepoppy.com/cfwebstorefb/index.cfm?fuseaction=feature.display & featu\ re_id=902 I also found a book for COPD on acufinder that is not specifically TCM but does mention some TCM herbs and acupuncture. You want to be careful about books on alternative medicine because the quality can really vary, but if you want to check that out the links are here: http://www.acufinder.com/Acupuncture+Information/Detail/Natural+Approach+to+Trea\ ting+Emphysema+and+COPD http://www.amazon.com/Natural-Therapies-Emphysema-COPD-Pulmonary/dp/1594771634/r\ ef=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8 & s=books & qid=1259303240 & sr=8-1 On the amazon link you can read the first few pages and see if it's something you like. Hopefully someone can answer that knows more what to tell you and where to go and what to do. It might be good to find a practitioner in your area. If you need help finding a practitioner in your area, I'd be glad to help you out. I can tell you that since this is a long term condition, it's likely to be more in the deficiency category, it's also likely to involve some stagnation because of the lack of movement and oxygen. I would second Tai Chi or Qi Gong because they will help with movement oxygenation and a meditative state to help out with the stress. Chinese Traditional Medicine , " ladyflov " <shamandot wrote: > > Thank you for answering my question here are some of the answers to your questions > > Clarification that might be useful is how would your friend describe how they feel with this condition? > tired and yes lacking oxygen also stressed out > > I mean obviously they probably have a hard time getting enough oxygen, but is there anything that aggravates or helps out? > > What caused the problem to begin with? If it was smoking, are they still smoking or were they able to quit? > Smoking may have played a factor but quit in the 70 genetics also play a part as others in family have had similar problems > > How old are they, what kind of condition are they in, how's their diet and activity level? > In there late 40 's diet is not all that great but trying to change over to the blood type diet Activity not much as this kinda takes her breath away to quickly..trying to get into exercise simple stuff ie stretching > > Does the individual feel hot or cold? > Cold > > What other types of things do they have going on with their health? > Other then the copd she is doing quite fine > > Have they had any problems with clots? etc etc etc > don't remeber her mentioning it at anytime > > The main goal is to figure out what type of a pattern they have according to how TCM would describe it before you can figure out what herbs would be useful. > Okay you got me here can you help me help her figure out the pattern. > > As you can tell I am still learning TCM Thanks for the help this person is special to me and I would love to help her out. > > We are always learning and improving and coming closer to our spiritual beings > > All writings unless stated are copyrighted to D. Guze > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 27, 2009 Report Share Posted November 27, 2009 hi i have a question, what herbs to use to support thyroid function,for both hypo and hyperthyroidism Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 27, 2009 Report Share Posted November 27, 2009 Hypo and hyperthyroidism are not directly addressed with Chinese herbs, however many herbs will 'regulate' as you say thyroid functions. There is no herb that works for both hypo and hyper to my knowledge. If you take 100 hypothyroid persons, some will have what we'd call a Kidney Yang deficiency, some will have qi stagnation, others will present with phlegm damp accumulation, and others will need something for their yin deficiency. The point being that the patient's presentation, their signs and symptoms, guides the herb and formula choices, not their Western disease name. -al. On Thu, Nov 26, 2009 at 11:38 PM, Ruby Nicol <movin2much wrote: > > > hi i have a question, what herbs to use to support thyroid function,for > both hypo and hyperthyroidism > -- , DAOM Pain is inevitable, suffering is optional. http://twitter.com/algancao Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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