Guest guest Posted November 6, 2009 Report Share Posted November 6, 2009 Has anyone got any herbs or anything that can help people with this flu... Was thinking feverfew would help with the fevers What would help with the respirtory problems that people are complaining with...i know some pressure points to help and I know some herbs ecualptus and mullien and aromatherapy oils that help. Would using the netty pot help with this as well. Anyone can answer I am just trying to get us thinking about how to help people Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 6, 2009 Report Share Posted November 6, 2009 It's important to note that in TCM there isn't really a differentiation between flu's caused by different viruses, because frankly it's hard to observe the difference between viruses by looking at the symptoms. Observation of symptoms is basically what they had when they were coming up with this stuff. Another thing that is important to note is that TCM has a particular affinity for prevention over cure, and that's really where it shines. Most things that are going to help the regular cold and flu are also going to be of benefit to this new H1N1 flu, such as getting enough sleep, getting enough fluids, effectively managing and reducing stress, eating properly, good flu hygiene especially around those who are sick, etc etc. I can't say enough good about neti pots, I think they are great, not only for preventing/easing colds, but for allergies and that sort of thing as well. Seems like most of the herbs you are mentioning have more of a western background and are single herbs. Most of the time a formula is going to be more well balanced and more affective at addressing a particular issue than say a single herb would be. The two main formulas for the cold and flu season seem to be Yu Ping Feng San(Jade Windscreen Powder)and Yin Qiao San(Honeysuckle and Forsythia Powder), with the first being more preventative and the second more geared for after you've got symptoms. We discussed this on this board not too long ago, and here is that thread http://health.Chinese Traditional Medicine/message/10998 Hopefully that helps some =) Chinese Traditional Medicine , " rose " <shamandot wrote: > > Has anyone got any herbs or anything that can help people with this flu... > Was thinking feverfew would help with the fevers > What would help with the respirtory problems that people are complaining with...i know some pressure points to help and I know some herbs ecualptus and mullien and aromatherapy oils that help. Would using the netty pot help with this as well. > Anyone can answer I am just trying to get us thinking about how to help people > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 6, 2009 Report Share Posted November 6, 2009 Swine Flu - Good Advice / H1N1 Preventive Methods ... from Dr.Oz, on TV " The only portals of entry are the nostrils and mouth/throat. In a Global epidemic of this nature, it's almost impossible to avoid coming into contact with H1N1 in spite of all precautions. Contact with H1N1 is not so much of a problem as proliferation is. While you are still healthy and not showing any symptoms of H1N1 infection, in order to prevent proliferation, aggravation of Symptoms and development of secondary infections, some very simple steps, not fully highlighted in most official communications, can be practiced (instead of Focusing on how to stock N95 or Tamiflu): 1. Frequent hand-washing (well highlighted in all official communications). 2. " Hands-off-the-face " approach. Resist all temptations to touch any part of face (unless you want to eat or bathe.) 3. Gargle twice a day with warm salt water (use Listerine or Hydrogen Peroxide if you don't trust salt). *H1N1 takes 2-3 days after initial infection in the throat / nasal cavity to proliferate and show characteristic symptoms. Simple gargling prevents proliferation. In a way, gargling with salt water has the same effect on a healthy individual that Tamiflu has on an infected one. Don't underestimate this simple, inexpensive and powerful preventative method. 4. Similar to 3 above, *clean your nostrils at least once every day with warm salt water, or hydrogen peroxide.. *Not everybody may be good at cleaning nasal cavities), but *blowing the nose softly once a day and swabbing both nostrils with cotton buds dipped in warm salt water is very effective in bringing down viral population.* 5. *Boost your natural immunity with foods that are rich in Vitamin C (Amla and other citrus fruits). *If you have to supplement with Vitamin C and Vitamin D tablets make sure that it also has Zinc to boost absorption. 6. *Drink as much of warm liquids (tea, coffee, etc) as you can. *Drinking warm liquids has the same effect as gargling, but in the reverse direction. They wash off proliferating viruses from the throat into the stomach where they cannot survive, proliferate or do any harm. " Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 6, 2009 Report Share Posted November 6, 2009 In addition to what Rex described, the goal of pressure points would be to lower the fever or " clear heat " . There are a few points that are easy to get to that would give you something to do that is safe. LI 4 " he gu " is that point in the meat between the thumb and index finger. You can grasp it on both sides (back of the hand and palm of the hand) and squeeze. That'll stimulate LI 4. It should produce a dull achy feeling. Perhaps a better way to do this would be to " pluck " at the point too. This may be difficult to say in only words, but you'll want to grasp a little chunk of tissue from the back-of-the-hand side. Pull and then let it go. Think of LI 4 as an upright bass string and you're plucking it. But you'll want to grasp some of the meat there, to induce that same achy feeling that grasping both sides of the hand produce. If you grasp only a little, you're only pulling on the skin, but you really want more of the tissue there. The other point you can pluck is Du 14 (du=GV=Governing Vessel). That point is found on the spine beneath Cervical spine #7 (C7). That's essentially where the neck meets the back. The point location doesn't have to be perfect, you can grasp and pluck up and down the neck/back articulation area and get the job done. -al. On Thu, Nov 5, 2009 at 4:26 PM, rose <shamandot wrote: > > > Has anyone got any herbs or anything that can help people with this flu... > Was thinking feverfew would help with the fevers > What would help with the respirtory problems that people are complaining > with...i know some pressure points to help and I know some herbs ecualptus > and mullien and aromatherapy oils that help. Would using the netty pot help > with this as well. > Anyone can answer I am just trying to get us thinking about how to help > people > -- , DAOM Pain is inevitable, suffering is optional. http://twitter.com/algancao Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 6, 2009 Report Share Posted November 6, 2009 Chinese Traditional Medicine , " mrasmm " <mrasmm wrote: > > It's important to note that in TCM there isn't really a differentiation between flu's caused by different viruses, because frankly it's hard to observe the difference between viruses by looking at the symptoms. Observation of symptoms is basically what they had when they were coming up with this stuff. > > Another thing that is important to note is that TCM has a particular affinity for prevention over cure, and that's really where it shines. > Yes and it shines well in this way of healing yet I also find it helps in cure as well it takes a bit more time yet it does help in the healing process as well. > Most things that are going to help the regular cold and flu are also going to be of benefit to this new H1N1 flu, such as getting enough sleep, getting enough fluids, effectively managing and reducing stress, eating properly, good flu hygiene especially around those who are sick, etc etc. All very good ideas and things we should be doing just to keep our self healthy and balanced. > > I can't say enough good about neti pots, I think they are great, not only for preventing/easing colds, but for allergies and that sort of thing as well. > > Seems like most of the herbs you are mentioning have more of a western background and are single herbs. Most of the time a formula is going to be more well balanced and more affective at addressing a particular issue than say a single herb would be. > > The two main formulas for the cold and flu season seem to be Yu Ping Feng San(Jade Windscreen Powder)and Yin Qiao San(Honeysuckle and Forsythia Powder), with the first being more preventative and the second more geared for after you've got symptoms. Thanks this was what is I was thinking also that formulas are the best way to go for balance. As things should be yin and yang if I am not mistaken. > > We discussed this on this board not too long ago, and here is that thread http://health.Chinese Traditional Medicine/message/10998 > > Hopefully that helps some =) > Helped alot an gives me information I was missing to help others an also builds up my own confidence in my understanding of TCM > > Chinese Traditional Medicine , " rose " <shamandot@> wrote: > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 6, 2009 Report Share Posted November 6, 2009 How about herbs for someone who has no spleen and is kind of constantly fighting something off? I never feel quite well enough for Jade Screen. Especially in Fall and Winter as I work in a Kindergarten and live in a cold wet climate (Oregon Coast) Michelle Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 7, 2009 Report Share Posted November 7, 2009 Hi Michelle, What a Chinese internal medicine practitioner would do with you is find out exactly what your symptoms are exactly. When you say " kind of constantly fighting something off " , that doesn't do a very good job of guiding the therapeutic approach. First thing we'd do is find out what that means. Fatigue? Nasal discharge? Chills and fever? Tight neck and shoulders? Frequent colds and flus? Dizziness? Easily sweating? Plus about thirty other things. such as your tongue appearance and pulse feeling. These and others would have to be answered before any suggestions can be made. It is true that our go-to immunity formula is yu ping feng san, but that's actually a Western interpretation. This formula is actually for someone who gets sick often BUT with a specific presentation such as easily sweating, soft voice, aversion to drafts, etc. There are others that might fit you better. -al. On Fri, Nov 6, 2009 at 3:27 PM, Michelle Clark <michellecwrote: > > > How about herbs for someone who has no spleen and is kind of constantly > fighting something off? I never feel quite well enough for Jade Screen. > Especially in Fall and Winter as I work in a Kindergarten and live in a > cold > wet climate (Oregon Coast) > Michelle > -- , DAOM Pain is inevitable, suffering is optional. http://twitter.com/algancao Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 7, 2009 Report Share Posted November 7, 2009 I have cold damp symptoms, scalloped tongue usually. For years have had a low temp 97.6. My practitoner has me on: Standard Process: Symplex F Prolamine Iodine (which helps with my immune defense and I believe is raising my temp to normal over time) Cataplex B all have helped with energy level as I was extremely fatigued and used to be cold all the time. I often take Gan Mao Ling: it helps with colds, coolness, out of body problems. I also take a lot of Chuan xin lian for body inflamation: aches and pains mainly in shoulders and neck hands and arms. I take Yin Chao once I get headache, sore throat, heat signs of cold/flu Western med would say I have chronic fatigue/fibromyalgia, depression, have had Post Traumatic Stress Syndrome but am getting better..that is part of the out of body stuff that I take Gan Mao Ling and also eat steak for. Nostalgia, stress, past memories, grief can send me out of body as well as cold. I have pains in the sinuses at my forehead and back of lower skull. Also memory issues...part of PTSS I think. Every time I have out of body issues it is like I get a memory wipe. Both long term and short term memory. I spent the first year after my husband died in bed and up and down at all hours. Have slowly steadily been getting better. He died in November of 05. I have high blood pressure am on lisinopril, dieretic, and Seven Forest's Albizzia 9 I have had migraines in the past but those seem to be mostly gone. Last year I had the aura only. Never had the aura before. I think I may get migraines with just the fatigue and light/sound sensitivity now and no pain. (good deal, prefer that) Are you sorry you asked now? Michelle On Fri, Nov 6, 2009 at 5:01 PM, Al Stone <al wrote: > > > Hi Michelle, > > What a Chinese internal medicine practitioner would do with you is find out > exactly what your symptoms are exactly. When you say " kind of constantly > fighting something off " , that doesn't do a very good job of guiding the > therapeutic approach. First thing we'd do is find out what that means. > > Fatigue? Nasal discharge? Chills and fever? Tight neck and shoulders? > Frequent colds and flus? Dizziness? Easily sweating? Plus about thirty > other > things. such as your tongue appearance and pulse feeling. These and others > would have to be answered before any suggestions can be made. > > It is true that our go-to immunity formula is yu ping feng san, but that's > actually a Western interpretation. This formula is actually for someone who > gets sick often BUT with a specific presentation such as easily sweating, > soft voice, aversion to drafts, etc. There are others that might fit you > better. > > -al. > > On Fri, Nov 6, 2009 at 3:27 PM, Michelle Clark <michellec<michellec%40nehalemtel.net>>wrote: > > > > > > > > > How about herbs for someone who has no spleen and is kind of constantly > > fighting something off? I never feel quite well enough for Jade Screen. > > Especially in Fall and Winter as I work in a Kindergarten and live in a > > cold > > wet climate (Oregon Coast) > > Michelle > > > > -- > , DAOM > Pain is inevitable, suffering is optional. > http://twitter.com/algancao > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 7, 2009 Report Share Posted November 7, 2009 On Fri, Nov 6, 2009 at 5:35 PM, Michelle Clark <michellecwrote: > > > I have cold damp symptoms, > such as? > scalloped tongue > anything else? > > > I often take Gan Mao Ling: it helps with colds, coolness, out of body > problems. > coolness means chills? Out of body problem? > > I also take a lot of Chuan xin lian for body inflamation: aches and pains > mainly in shoulders and neck hands and arms. > This is for infectious inflammation more than let's say sore muscles. If it's working for you, don't let me change that, but this formula is more for like tonsillitis, or sores that are infected, that sort of thing. > > I take Yin Chao once I get headache, sore throat, heat signs of cold/flu > Sore throat is an important indication for the use of this formula. > > Western med would say I have chronic fatigue/fibromyalgia, depression, > What do you say, are you fatigued? Does your body ache? Are you depressed? > hat is part of > the out of body stuff that I take Gan Mao Ling and also eat steak for. > What do you mean by " out of body stuff " ? > Nostalgia, stress, past memories, grief can send me out of body as well as > cold. > Still looking for symptoms. Is this a psychological problem? You go into a daze or something? > > I have pains in the sinuses at my forehead and back of lower skull. > All the time? Some of the time? When? > > Also memory issues...part of PTSS I think. Every time I have out of body > issues it is like I get a memory wipe. Both long term and short term > memory. > You're saying that when you catch a cold, you lose memories? > > I may get migraines > with just the fatigue and light/sound sensitivity now and no pain. (good > deal, prefer that) > Okay. -al. -- , DAOM Pain is inevitable, suffering is optional. http://twitter.com/algancao Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 7, 2009 Report Share Posted November 7, 2009 sure, you're welcome. I commend you for being out there and learning what to do about it before it comes up, and how you can help the people around you =) Like rtserk, I think that Dr Oz is great. They way things are presented on TV seem to have some aspects of an over worried/paranoid view at times, although that may be done to attract an audience (ie fear attracts people like a moth to a flame). If you can filter past that he has a lot of good things to say. It looks like rtserk has conveniently posted Dr Oz's flu prevention tips. Here's also a video http://www.doctoroz.com/videos/1-minute-better-health-fight-flu Chinese Traditional Medicine , " rose " <shamandot wrote: > > > > Helped alot an gives me information I was missing to help others an also builds up my own confidence in my understanding of TCM Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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