Guest guest Posted November 5, 2009 Report Share Posted November 5, 2009 See a drugless way of treating epilepsy at _http://www.articlesbase.com/alternative-medicine-articles/treating-epilepsy -by-forced-oscillations-1200025.html_ (http://www.articlesbase.com/alternative-medicine-articles/treating-epilepsy-by-\ forced-oscillations-1200025.html) You have to listen to a recording using earphones. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 5, 2009 Report Share Posted November 5, 2009 On Thu, Nov 5, 2009 at 8:26 AM, <martyeisen wrote: > > > See a drugless way of treating epilepsy at > > > http://www.articlesbase.com/alternative-medicine-articles/treating-epilepsy-by-f\ orced-oscillations-1200025.html > > You have to listen to a recording using earphones. > One patient does not a tested treatment make. One should consider this approach understanding that the unknowns are significant. Saw something on TV recently (60 minutes?) about some electrical currents that stimulated the brain when pre-seizure activity was monitored. Seems to show some promise too. Of particular interest is that we could conceivably do this with e-stim acupuncture. I don't suggest anybody with the required equipment try this outside of a controlled medical environment. It is much better to have some control over the body with emergency personal present. Kind of a interesting story revolving a seizure that happened in my office, I was tutoring a couple of MDs and we'd gotten to the point where they could observe needling. One of the doctors brought in a very sick patient. Chief complaint was migraines, but she clearly had a lot going on. Wiry pulse, thick tongue coating. Typical wind-phlegm as we've talked about here. Started out with GB 20, pulls wind out of the body. Added Liver 3 and LI 4 to calm the liver, the source of internal wind. Decided to just stop there, since when I put in the GB 20 points, she kind of jumped a little bit. This was her first treatment and I was a little cautious given her unusual response. As we discussed her case, I kept asking her how she felt ( " how's your tummy, how's your head? " ) I was half-way expecting " needle shock " (Western medicine: vaso-vagal reaction. This is essentially the acupuncture equivalent of fainting at the sight of blood.) I didn't want to induce the reaction by asking " are you dizzy or nauseous yet? " . That's easy to do, so I avoided that. She kept responding that she was fine. But at one point, I saw her mouth corners begin to descend. I could see she was getting nauseous. Usually, you can work around that if it is mild, but I wasn't feeling good about this and began to immediately remove the needles. Before I could finish, her eyes rolled up and she started to seize. We held her down, got some smelling salts and get her recovered okay. After a while, when she was okay to go home, the three of us went out for breakfast. On the way across the street, I was thinking that I wouldn't see the physician students again, since things went south so dramatically. But rather than feeling deterred, they were REALLY impressed by how strong acupuncture is, after all anything that could produce that reaction MUST be good! Funny how they rated efficacy based on the intense side-effect rather than a gentle improvement over time. -al. -- , DAOM Pain is inevitable, suffering is optional. http://twitter.com/algancao Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 5, 2009 Report Share Posted November 5, 2009 Hey Al: --Al- But rather than feeling deterred, they were REALLY impressed by how strong acupuncture is, after all anything that could produce that reaction MUST be good! --- I have a similar story. I was treating an MD for acute mild-moderate low back pain. He was in a sitting position and I only had two needles in, GV 4 and GV 10. I told him to just relax and not move much. Instead, as he felt some (very mild) qi sensations he moved, and shifted, and shrugged and stretched, and when I walked in the room after ten minutes, he had been in heavy pain for a minute with strange radiating sensations and movement up his Du channel etc etc. I was embarrassed and upset, but he was so damn impressed ... " wow, that's amazing! wow, I have no idea how that could happen! " Docs. Weird, man. Really weird. Hugo ________________________________ Hugo Ramiro http://middlemedicine.wordpress.com http://www.middlemedicine.org ________________________________ Al Stone <al Chinese Traditional Medicine Thu, 5 November, 2009 12:16:17 Re: [Chinese Traditional Medicine] Digest Number 2489 - Seizures On Thu, Nov 5, 2009 at 8:26 AM, <martyeisen (AT) aol (DOT) com> wrote: > > > See a drugless way of treating epilepsy at > > > http://www.articles base.com/ alternative- medicine- articles/ treating- epilepsy- by-forced- oscillations- 1200025.html > > You have to listen to a recording using earphones. > One patient does not a tested treatment make. One should consider this approach understanding that the unknowns are significant. Saw something on TV recently (60 minutes?) about some electrical currents that stimulated the brain when pre-seizure activity was monitored. Seems to show some promise too. Of particular interest is that we could conceivably do this with e-stim acupuncture. I don't suggest anybody with the required equipment try this outside of a controlled medical environment. It is much better to have some control over the body with emergency personal present. Kind of a interesting story revolving a seizure that happened in my office, I was tutoring a couple of MDs and we'd gotten to the point where they could observe needling. One of the doctors brought in a very sick patient. Chief complaint was migraines, but she clearly had a lot going on. Wiry pulse, thick tongue coating. Typical wind-phlegm as we've talked about here. Started out with GB 20, pulls wind out of the body. Added Liver 3 and LI 4 to calm the liver, the source of internal wind. Decided to just stop there, since when I put in the GB 20 points, she kind of jumped a little bit. This was her first treatment and I was a little cautious given her unusual response. As we discussed her case, I kept asking her how she felt ( " how's your tummy, how's your head? " ) I was half-way expecting " needle shock " (Western medicine: vaso-vagal reaction. This is essentially the acupuncture equivalent of fainting at the sight of blood.) I didn't want to induce the reaction by asking " are you dizzy or nauseous yet? " . That's easy to do, so I avoided that. She kept responding that she was fine. But at one point, I saw her mouth corners begin to descend. I could see she was getting nauseous. Usually, you can work around that if it is mild, but I wasn't feeling good about this and began to immediately remove the needles. Before I could finish, her eyes rolled up and she started to seize. We held her down, got some smelling salts and get her recovered okay. After a while, when she was okay to go home, the three of us went out for breakfast. On the way across the street, I was thinking that I wouldn't see the physician students again, since things went south so dramatically. But rather than feeling deterred, they were REALLY impressed by how strong acupuncture is, after all anything that could produce that reaction MUST be good! Funny how they rated efficacy based on the intense side-effect rather than a gentle improvement over time. -al. -- , DAOM Pain is inevitable, suffering is optional. http://twitter. com/algancao Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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