Guest guest Posted September 15, 2009 Report Share Posted September 15, 2009 What is T C M's view regarding the swine flu and the swine flu vaccination? I personally dont even take the Flu Shots that come out every year, I dont take any pharmaceutical products or any type of over the counter medicine. If I get sick, I rest, eat good, drink hot teas and cover myself under thick sheets to sweat out the flu, fever or cold. Last time I got sick, I did everything I just mentioned and on the second day I spent most of my time outside getting fresh air and enjoying the sun (nice weather) and it actually made me feel alot better. Now regarding the swine flu, I dont believe the hype or the fact that people need a vaccination.....from what I have read in TCM, a vaccination doesnt even make sense when it comes to the Flu. Flue shots(Influenza) have ingredients such as: -Chick Kidney Cells, -Egg Protein, -Gentamicin Sulfate, -Monosodium Glutamate, -Sucrose Phosphate Glutamate Buffer -Gelatin -Octoxinol-9 (Triton X-100) -Thimerosal (multidose containers) -Deoxycholate -Phosphate Buffers -Plus others Who wants to get a shot with that? And Thimerosal? That has mercury. Here are a few links to articles or news segments regarding this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HEJyUgt7lY8 http://www.express.co.uk/posts/view/122228 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 15, 2009 Report Share Posted September 15, 2009 On Tue, Sep 15, 2009 at 8:06 AM, xxjames08xx <xxjames08xx wrote: > > > What is T C M's view regarding the swine flu and the swine flu vaccination? > TCM has no opinion on vaccinations, nor does it have an opinion on space-travel and other things that didn't exist in the olden days. Swine flu, bird flu, SARS, etc. any illness from a fever producing virus fits nicely into a school of thought called " wen bing xue " . This translates to the " warm diseases school " . Warm means fever. All these news accounts that the Chinese have come up with an herbal protocol for swine flu are really coming directly from the warm diseases school of thought. They may be better researched and recorded nowadays, but the ingredients and thought processes are a few hundred years old. This approach looks at a heat pathogen as arriving from the outside of the body. This is roughly identical to how Western medicine looks at it. The Chinese go on to describe four levels or depths at which this heat can reside. A quick look: 1. Wei (defensive) level heat. This is the early stage. (Nearly) simultaneous chills and fever. 2. Qi level heat. This is where we get into a high fever. We look for four indications for this level: big sweating, thirst, pulse, and fever. 3. Ying (nutritive) level heat. This is going to look like a high fever that also causes some cognitive problems too such as fever dreams or even coma. 4. Xue (blood) level heat. This is a fever that produces bleeding such as " hemorrhagic fever " . This last level sounds really scary, but it can manifest in less dramatic terms too. For instance, just about any bleeding disorder is going to come down to either a Spleen qi deficiency (such as easy bruising), or heat in the blood which causes it to " boil out of its container " . Excessive menstrual flow for instance can be either of these conditions, but is often heat in the blood. Warm diseases theory further evolved into what I believe we might call " tropical medicine " nowadays. This approach looks at the location of a damp-heat pathogen in one of three locations known as the upper, middle, and lower burners or " jiaos " . When you hear someone say " damp heat in the lower jiao " this is a statement that arises from the warm diseases school too. The real fantasy that we get in to is thinking that all swine flu cases will present identically. Western medicine differentiates based on the virus rather than the symptomatic features, which Chinese medicine gets a sense of what's up based on how the symptoms arise in patterns. However, because the world is dominated by Western medicine, the hospitals in China that have lowered their mortality rates from this flu tend to list the herbs used more than they describe the symptoms used to choose these particular herbs. However the herbs do tend to be among those that are most often used in the Warm Diseases School. I believe that the many books on Warm Diseases will provide modern science a lot of backup such as we're seeing with the swine flu. -- , DAOM Pain is inevitable, suffering is optional. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 16, 2009 Report Share Posted September 16, 2009 On Tue, Sep 15, 2009 at 5:43 PM, Mercurius Trismegistus < magisterium_magnum wrote: > > > Does it say anything about injecting toxic pathogens directly into the > blood > level? > Injecting into the blood stream doesn't necessarily mean that something is entering the blood level. If this were true, then we could say that topical creams enter the wei level. Vaccinations are nothing new, in fact the earliest version of this process is said to have come from China (around the same time that the warm diseases school was coming along) [source<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Smallpox_vaccine#Pre-vaccination_history> ] Also, there is a treatment principle that is essentially " treating fire with fire " as we say in English, only they say " treat poison with poison " . This is the reason that scorpion is teamed up with centipede to treat tetanus and tetanus-like disorders (CM: extinguish internal wind). -al. -- , DAOM Pain is inevitable, suffering is optional. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 16, 2009 Report Share Posted September 16, 2009 Does it say anything about injecting toxic pathogens directly into the blood level? - " Al Stone " <al <Chinese Traditional Medicine > Tuesday, September 15, 2009 8:51 AM Re: [Chinese Traditional Medicine] T C M and Swine Flu? > On Tue, Sep 15, 2009 at 8:06 AM, xxjames08xx <xxjames08xx > wrote: > >> >> >> What is T C M's view regarding the swine flu and the swine flu >> vaccination? >> > > > > > TCM has no opinion on vaccinations, nor does it have an opinion on > space-travel and other things that didn't exist in the olden days. > > Swine flu, bird flu, SARS, etc. any illness from a fever producing virus > fits nicely into a school of thought called " wen bing xue " . This > translates > to the " warm diseases school " . Warm means fever. > > All these news accounts that the Chinese have come up with an herbal > protocol for swine flu are really coming directly from the warm diseases > school of thought. They may be better researched and recorded nowadays, > but > the ingredients and thought processes are a few hundred years old. > > This approach looks at a heat pathogen as arriving from the outside of the > body. This is roughly identical to how Western medicine looks at it. The > Chinese go on to describe four levels or depths at which this heat can > reside. > > A quick look: > > 1. Wei (defensive) level heat. This is the early stage. (Nearly) > simultaneous chills and fever. > 2. Qi level heat. This is where we get into a high fever. We look for > four indications for this level: big sweating, thirst, pulse, and fever. > 3. Ying (nutritive) level heat. This is going to look like a high fever > that also causes some cognitive problems too such as fever dreams or > even > coma. > 4. Xue (blood) level heat. This is a fever that produces bleeding such > as > " hemorrhagic fever " . > > This last level sounds really scary, but it can manifest in less dramatic > terms too. For instance, just about any bleeding disorder is going to come > down to either a Spleen qi deficiency (such as easy bruising), or heat in > the blood which causes it to " boil out of its container " . Excessive > menstrual flow for instance can be either of these conditions, but is > often > heat in the blood. > > Warm diseases theory further evolved into what I believe we might call > " tropical medicine " nowadays. This approach looks at the location of a > damp-heat pathogen in one of three locations known as the upper, middle, > and > lower burners or " jiaos " . When you hear someone say " damp heat in the > lower > jiao " this is a statement that arises from the warm diseases school too. > > The real fantasy that we get in to is thinking that all swine flu cases > will > present identically. Western medicine differentiates based on the virus > rather than the symptomatic features, which Chinese medicine gets a sense > of > what's up based on how the symptoms arise in patterns. However, because > the > world is dominated by Western medicine, the hospitals in China that have > lowered their mortality rates from this flu tend to list the herbs used > more > than they describe the symptoms used to choose these particular herbs. > However the herbs do tend to be among those that are most often used in > the > Warm Diseases School. > > I believe that the many books on Warm Diseases will provide modern science > a > lot of backup such as we're seeing with the swine flu. > > -- > , DAOM > Pain is inevitable, suffering is optional. > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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