Guest guest Posted June 5, 2009 Report Share Posted June 5, 2009 What are the indications of heat and what are the indications of cold? Does 'cold' means cold hands and feet? Does it mean that they feel cold in bed even with heavy covers? Do they feel cold even when others feel comfortable with the ambient temperature? On Fri, Jun 5, 2009 at 12:59 PM, aliciajohnsonnmd < aliciajohnsonnmd wrote: > > > I have seen 2 drug addicts recently with qi collapse. One of them is so > cold he can't stand to be uncovered for treatment. What should I use? They > have internal heat but feel cold and sweat profusely. Acupuncture to tonify > qi, control sweat, and clear heat isn't helping enough. They can't sleep at > night and can't stay awake during the day. Suggestions? > > Alicia Johnson > -- , DAOM Pain is inevitable, suffering is optional. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 8, 2009 Report Share Posted June 8, 2009 Cold means that he is miserably cold constantly, even when it is 100 degrees outsite. Main indicators of heat: bounding pulse, crimson red tongue, thick yellow coat. Chinese Traditional Medicine , Al Stone <al wrote: > > What are the indications of heat and what are the indications of cold? > > Does 'cold' means cold hands and feet? Does it mean that they feel cold in > bed even with heavy covers? Do they feel cold even when others feel > comfortable with the ambient temperature? > > On Fri, Jun 5, 2009 at 12:59 PM, aliciajohnsonnmd < > aliciajohnsonnmd wrote: > > > > > > > I have seen 2 drug addicts recently with qi collapse. One of them is so > > cold he can't stand to be uncovered for treatment. What should I use? They > > have internal heat but feel cold and sweat profusely. Acupuncture to tonify > > qi, control sweat, and clear heat isn't helping enough. They can't sleep at > > night and can't stay awake during the day. Suggestions? > > > > Alicia Johnson > > > > > > -- > , DAOM > Pain is inevitable, suffering is optional. > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 8, 2009 Report Share Posted June 8, 2009 Hi Alicia: I don't know if you are treating for deficiency fire. Drug addicts consume their jing at frightening paces through a variety of methods. It will be difficult to " tonify qi " when the jing is so weak. Sleep would be one of the main priorities in my mind. Hugo ________________________________ Hugo Ramiro http://middlemedicine.wordpress.com http://www.chinesemedicaltherapies.org ________________________________ aliciajohnsonnmd <aliciajohnsonnmd Chinese Traditional Medicine Monday, 8 June, 2009 9:50:47 [Chinese Traditional Medicine] Re: drug addict Cold means that he is miserably cold constantly, even when it is 100 degrees outsite. Main indicators of heat: bounding pulse, crimson red tongue, thick yellow coat. Chinese Traditional Medicine, Al Stone <al wrote: > > What are the indications of heat and what are the indications of cold? > > Does 'cold' means cold hands and feet? Does it mean that they feel cold in > bed even with heavy covers? Do they feel cold even when others feel > comfortable with the ambient temperature? > > On Fri, Jun 5, 2009 at 12:59 PM, aliciajohnsonnmd < > aliciajohnsonnmd@ ...> wrote: > > > > > > > I have seen 2 drug addicts recently with qi collapse. One of them is so > > cold he can't stand to be uncovered for treatment. What should I use? They > > have internal heat but feel cold and sweat profusely. Acupuncture to tonify > > qi, control sweat, and clear heat isn't helping enough. They can't sleep at > > night and can't stay awake during the day. Suggestions? > > > > Alicia Johnson > > > > > > -- > , DAOM > Pain is inevitable, suffering is optional. > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 8, 2009 Report Share Posted June 8, 2009 So, " qi collapse " suggest a really severe condition, one that I would more likely see in an emergency room than an out-patient acupuncture clinic. I personally would ignore the symptoms of cold and sweating. If your patient(s) are on other drugs to control their (illicit drug) addictions, these other drugs can kick up a whole variety of symptoms that may or may not have anything to do with your patient's actual condition. I've seen patients struggling with drug addictions going through some heavy sweating too, and that was consistent with the drug therapy they were taking. However, in the case of your patient, let's pick things apart a bit. 1. bounding pulse: indicates heat damaging yin. Still an excess condition predominately. 2. crimson red tongue: actually says the same thing. heat damaging the yin. 3. thick yellow coat: this is the indication that actually disagrees with above. Thick coating says there is still dampness there. Thick coating is a sign of excess. I think that you should ignore the cold signs. You know, there are a bunch of these " true heat, false cold " type situations and they can be very confounding. I personally find that the tongue tells me more than anything else. I personally would treat what I see on the tongue rather than chasing symptoms that don't fit in to the big picture. In fact, the sweating does conform, only the sensations of cold do not, and I have no idea what's causing that. Withdrawal symptoms? With that thick yellow tongue coating and internal heat damaging the yin, you might consider Long Dan Xie Gan Tang. If you can get that coating to thin out, then you can start to treat what you see at that point. That might be all that is needed, or you can switch over to a yin tonic that clears heat if the presentation supports that. -al. On Mon, Jun 8, 2009 at 6:50 AM, aliciajohnsonnmd <aliciajohnsonnmd > wrote: > > > Cold means that he is miserably cold constantly, even when it is 100 > degrees outsite. Main indicators of heat: bounding pulse, crimson red > tongue, thick yellow coat. > Chinese Traditional Medicine <Chinese Traditional Medicine%40>, > Al Stone <al wrote: > > > > What are the indications of heat and what are the indications of cold? > > > > Does 'cold' means cold hands and feet? Does it mean that they feel cold > in > > bed even with heavy covers? Do they feel cold even when others feel > > comfortable with the ambient temperature? > > > > On Fri, Jun 5, 2009 at 12:59 PM, aliciajohnsonnmd < > > aliciajohnsonnmd wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > I have seen 2 drug addicts recently with qi collapse. One of them is so > > > cold he can't stand to be uncovered for treatment. What should I use? > They > > > have internal heat but feel cold and sweat profusely. Acupuncture to > tonify > > > qi, control sweat, and clear heat isn't helping enough. They can't > sleep at > > > night and can't stay awake during the day. Suggestions? > > > > > > Alicia Johnson > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > , DAOM > > Pain is inevitable, suffering is optional. > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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