TCM Herbalist in OC, Calif.? or knowledge of what to take for ovarian cysts?

May 18, 2009

Hi Everyone,

I am trying to find out what I can take besides the dreaded birth control pill,

which was prescribed to me for controlling ovarian cysts. I was on the pill for

appx 6 months and then did some research, on top of all the horrible side

effects, decided to stop taking the pill. I have had several cysts form and

burst, which is why they put me on the pill. I have also had several ultrasounds

so they could monitor one in particular, which has shrunk; either due to the

pill or the natural cycle of the cyst. I can't be sure which. Anywho, it has

been 2 months since I have been off the pill, I had another cyst burst 2 days

ago. So, I am aware that they are still forming.

I am looking for a TCM herbalist to guide me.

Any thoughts and/or referrals would be greatly appreciated.

Lani

May 18, 2009

Hi Lani,

When the cysts burst, do you have a clear watery vaginal discharge or

something like that?

Is there a lot of pain? Is it sharp in nature? dull in nature?

Excessive PMS or pain during the period?

Trying to put this on to the Chinese medicine map here.

-al.

On Mon, May 18, 2009 at 11:14 AM, lpalermino <lpalermino wrote:

>

> Hi Everyone,

> I am trying to find out what I can take besides the dreaded birth control

> pill, which was prescribed to me for controlling ovarian cysts. I was on the

> pill for appx 6 months and then did some research, on top of all the

> horrible side effects, decided to stop taking the pill. I have had several

> cysts form and burst, which is why they put me on the pill. I have also had

> several ultrasounds so they could monitor one in particular, which has

> shrunk; either due to the pill or the natural cycle of the cyst. I can't be

> sure which. Anywho, it has been 2 months since I have been off the pill, I

> had another cyst burst 2 days ago. So, I am aware that they are still

> forming.

> I am looking for a TCM herbalist to guide me.

>

> Any thoughts and/or referrals would be greatly appreciated.

>

> Lani

> ___

>

--

, DAOM

Pain is inevitable, suffering is optional.

May 18, 2009

Hi Al,

I don't notice any discharge. There is a lot of pain, ranges from sharp to dull,

from my belly button to lower abdonmen and swelling. january 08 burst caused a

hospital stay, due to the pain being so severe that it twisted my lower

intestine and blocked it. This one 2 days ago was not even close to the level of

that one.

Not much pain during period or many PMS symptoms.

Thank you!

Chinese Traditional Medicine , Al Stone <al wrote:

>

> Hi Lani,

>

> When the cysts burst, do you have a clear watery vaginal discharge or

> something like that?

>

> Is there a lot of pain? Is it sharp in nature? dull in nature?

>

> Excessive PMS or pain during the period?

>

> Trying to put this on to the Chinese medicine map here.

>

> -al.

>

> On Mon, May 18, 2009 at 11:14 AM, lpalermino <lpalermino wrote:

>

> >

> > Hi Everyone,

> > I am trying to find out what I can take besides the dreaded birth control

> > pill, which was prescribed to me for controlling ovarian cysts. I was on the

> > pill for appx 6 months and then did some research, on top of all the

> > horrible side effects, decided to stop taking the pill. I have had several

> > cysts form and burst, which is why they put me on the pill. I have also had

> > several ultrasounds so they could monitor one in particular, which has

> > shrunk; either due to the pill or the natural cycle of the cyst. I can't be

> > sure which. Anywho, it has been 2 months since I have been off the pill, I

> > had another cyst burst 2 days ago. So, I am aware that they are still

> > forming.

> > I am looking for a TCM herbalist to guide me.

> >

> > Any thoughts and/or referrals would be greatly appreciated.

> >

> > Lani

May 18, 2009

Are there any other symptoms that are observable by you? I'm asking about

your perceptions, not lab findings.

It is your symptoms (and signs once in the presence of a TCM person) that

will guide the treatment principle.

On Mon, May 18, 2009 at 11:51 AM, lpalermino <lpalermino wrote:

>

> Hi Al,

>

> I don't notice any discharge. There is a lot of pain, ranges from sharp to

> dull, from my belly button to lower abdonmen and swelling. january 08 burst

> caused a hospital stay, due to the pain being so severe that it twisted my

> lower intestine and blocked it. This one 2 days ago was not even close to

> the level of that one.

> Not much pain during period or many PMS symptoms.

>

> Thank you!

>

--

, DAOM

Pain is inevitable, suffering is optional.

May 18, 2009

I might have a yeast imbalance. Other than that, I only notice symptoms when

it occurs.

Almost like I have a urinary tract infection, the pulling feeling in the lower,

or severe gas in the upper abdomen. Nausea, bloating, tenderness to touch or

movement.

Chinese Traditional Medicine , Al Stone <al wrote:

>

> Are there any other symptoms that are observable by you? I'm asking about

> your perceptions, not lab findings.

>

> It is your symptoms (and signs once in the presence of a TCM person) that

> will guide the treatment principle.

>

> On Mon, May 18, 2009 at 11:51 AM, lpalermino <lpalermino wrote:

>

> >

> > Hi Al,

> >

> > I don't notice any discharge. There is a lot of pain, ranges from sharp to

> > dull, from my belly button to lower abdomen and swelling. january 08 burst

> > caused a hospital stay, due to the pain being so severe that it twisted my

> > lower intestine and blocked it. This one 2 days ago was not even close to

> > the level of that one.

> > Not much pain during period or many PMS symptoms.

> >

> > Thank you!

> >

>

> --

> , DAOM

> Pain is inevitable, suffering is optional.

>

May 19, 2009

Sounds like Al has got you on a good course. Looks like you're only about 190

miles from him =P

Anyways if you want to find someone close to you, you're welcome to either

respond with your zip code on here, or e-mail it to me privately, and I'd be

glad to help.

If you want to do it yourself, there are two main search engines that I know of,

acufinder.com and the NCCAOM one. Good luck =)

Chinese Traditional Medicine , " lpalermino " <lpalermino wrote:

>

> Hi Everyone,

> I am trying to find out what I can take besides the dreaded birth control

pill, which was prescribed to me for controlling ovarian cysts. I was on the

pill for appx 6 months and then did some research, on top of all the horrible

side effects, decided to stop taking the pill. I have had several cysts form and

burst, which is why they put me on the pill. I have also had several ultrasounds

so they could monitor one in particular, which has shrunk; either due to the

pill or the natural cycle of the cyst. I can't be sure which. Anywho, it has

been 2 months since I have been off the pill, I had another cyst burst 2 days

ago. So, I am aware that they are still forming.

> I am looking for a TCM herbalist to guide me.

>

> Any thoughts and/or referrals would be greatly appreciated.

>

> Lani

>

May 19, 2009

On Mon, May 18, 2009 at 5:04 PM, mrasmm <mrasmm wrote:

>

> Sounds like Al has got you on a good course. Looks like you're only about

> 190 miles from him =P

>

She's actually about an hour away, but perhaps she can find someone closer

than Santa Monica.

So, where I'd begin with this is the understanding that stagnation causes

pain. The fact that the pain is both sharp and dull says that we might want

to treat it as both blood (sharp pain) and qi (dull pain) stagnation.

The next question is what is causing that? There are a few things that can

clog up the highway and byways for the qi and blood. Stagnation of qi and

blood can exist all by itself or arise due to something else, most often

dampness and/or phlegm. Phlegm is congealed dampness.

The fact that it is treatable by birth control supports another cause which

would derive from the Liver Blood or the Chong Mai (penetration vessel).

Liver blood is menstrual blood and more widely something like female

hormones. When Liver blood stagnates, not only is it painful, but it

generally waxes and wanes along with the menstrual cycle.

The Chong Mai is said to be the " Sea of Blood " and represents the resovoir

from which the Liver can get more blood. The other concept is another of the

eight extraordinary meridians, the Ren Mai (Conception Vessel). Some

Chong/Ren problems also look like dampness, especially when arising with

inappropriate vaginal discharge ala your possible yeast infection.

The best way to really differentiate these different options would be tongue

and pulse, obviously. The stagnation tongue will look purple in color. The

phlegm damp tongue will have a coating that is so thick that you can't see

through it. It is entirely possible to have a purple tongue with a thick

coating as well.