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Hi all,new to group.I have been on Paxil & Xanax for about 5 years and

want to get off,I have tried to ween myself off several times and it's

funny how after a long time after my last use I think Im good and it's

out of my system and all of a sudden it's like a bomb drops,severe

withdrawal symptoms.In my case it's intense anger & insomnia.I want to

rough it out this time and my question is,when these withdrawal sympoms

start (and I know they will)can acupunture help me with the with the

withdrawal?

 

Sam

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Hi Sam,

 

I haven't treated withdrawal from antidepressants per se, but I have treated

withdrawal from (prescription) narcotics in chronic pain patients. In their

case anxiety, anger, and insomnia was common. The acupuncture did help.

 

Just as importantly, there are a few studies that have shown the benefits of

acupuncture for depression in the first place, so that might be something to

consider too.

 

I myself favor the use of herbs and depending on your presentation (tongue,

pulse, etc...) there are a few formulas that may apply to your background

situation that can help keep you calm during this change in your life.

Someone who does Chinese internal medicine can direct you in this regard.

 

Best of luck to you on this!

-al.

 

On Tue, May 6, 2008 at 8:50 AM, sammy62521 <sammy62521 wrote:

 

> Hi all,new to group.I have been on Paxil & Xanax for about 5 years and

> want to get off,I have tried to ween myself off several times and it's

> funny how after a long time after my last use I think Im good and it's

> out of my system and all of a sudden it's like a bomb drops,severe

> withdrawal symptoms.In my case it's intense anger & insomnia.I want to

> rough it out this time and my question is,when these withdrawal sympoms

> start (and I know they will)can acupunture help me with the with the

> withdrawal?

>

> Sam

> _._,___

>

 

 

 

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, DAOM

Pain is inevitable, suffering is optional.

 

 

 

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Hi Sam

 

I used acupuncture and Chinese herbs to assist me as I went through

withdrawal and detox from Parnate (MAOI antidepressant) and Neurontin

in. I was on Parnate for 15 years and Neurontin for 3 years. This

weekend is the 2nd anniversary for being Parnate free.

 

Yes, acupuncture helped modulate the withdrawal symptoms. Parnate has

an extra long half life (10 days compared to Paxil's +/-3 days) so it

took me about six months after the last dose to finally stop getting

hit with withdrawal symptoms and another six months for my brain to

learn to function without the drugs messing things up.

 

Don't wait for symptoms to start before you get a treatment. Regular

treatments

 

I'm thrilled to be able to say with conviction that it can be done.

You can help yourself get through the rough withdrawal by setting up a

good emotional support system while you reclaim your life. I

surrounded myself with people who supported me in the decision to stop

psychotropic drugs. They didn't confuse drug withdrawal with the

symptoms that led me to take the drugs in the first place.

 

You may know this already but do not attempt to withdraw from two

drugs at once. It's harder and may be dangerous. Complete one drug

withdrawal and detox, wait until you balance out, then start reducing

the next one. And don't try to stop coffee and nicotine all at the

same time.

 

A drug reduction shouldn't be more than 10% of the amount you are

taking at any given time time. Yes it will take a little longer but

you won't be tempted to go back up on the dosage which will make

withdrawal all the more intolerable. Again, this is a safety issue.

See Peter Breggin's book " Your Drug Might Be Your Problem " for

information about individual psychotropic drugs.

 

I couldn't have succeeded in the drug withdrawal without the two

pronged approach: Five Elements and the emotional support.

 

Good luck

Diana

 

Chinese Traditional Medicine , " sammy62521 " <sammy62521

wrote:

>

> Hi all,new to group.I have been on Paxil & Xanax for about 5 years and

> want to get off,I have tried to ween myself off several times and it's

> funny how after a long time after my last use I think Im good and it's

> out of my system and all of a sudden it's like a bomb drops,severe

> withdrawal symptoms.In my case it's intense anger & insomnia.I want to

> rough it out this time and my question is,when these withdrawal sympoms

> start (and I know they will)can acupunture help me with the with the

> withdrawal?

>

> Sam

>

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sure you can.

 

I just came home from Vietnam, was there on practice for my

acupuncture education. They treat withdrawal from drugs (like heroin)

quite successful. Only in 10 days most of the addicts are drug free

and are allowed to go home, and then do follow up treatments.

 

Just treat the underlaying pattern and the symptoms. Preferrably use

electric stimulation and dispersion on points.

 

What you tell as symptoms, points to deficiency of blood in the Liver

with anger and raising Liver yang/fire giving insomnia. But of cause

it is hard to make an diagnosis on just anger and insomnia. Try get a

proper diagnosi and treat it every day and this would give you relive.

 

Regards

Peter

 

Chinese Traditional Medicine , " sammy62521 " <sammy62521

wrote:

>

> Hi all,new to group.I have been on Paxil & Xanax for about 5 years

and

> want to get off,I have tried to ween myself off several times and

it's

> funny how after a long time after my last use I think Im good and

it's

> out of my system and all of a sudden it's like a bomb drops,severe

> withdrawal symptoms.In my case it's intense anger & insomnia.I want

to

> rough it out this time and my question is,when these withdrawal

sympoms

> start (and I know they will)can acupunture help me with the with

the

> withdrawal?

>

> Sam

>

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Hi Peter,

 

I wonder if you can share some of your observations of the typical syndromes

that arose during the detox period in Vietnam?

 

I would think that each class of drug would produce different withdrawal

issues.

 

Was there like a single issue with multiple causes, say " irritability " that

in some cases were deemed Liver Fire, and in others " Kidney and Heart not

communicating " ?

 

Also, what was the patient population like there, younger kids with too much

money and not enough brains? Older adults who were trying to dull the pain

of their existence? Elderly who had followed the Chinese into opium use? All

of the above, none of the above?

 

Thanks.

-al.

 

--

, DAOM

Pain is inevitable, suffering is optional.

 

 

 

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Hi al.

 

Now the drug department was only a quick stop. We had to visit 4

departments in 4 weeks and the drug department was only one hour visit

when we were at the closest department. We had a lecture about it, I

can go through my notes to give more details, but there is not only

different drugs, but each person show different syndromes of the same

drug. Mostly heroin. so what is treated is Kidney deficiency, Spleen

deficiency etc. Often there is a mix of different patterns.

 

They combine elektro-acupuncture with pharmacopuncture where they

inject vitamins into points, both for tonification and for heat

dispersion.

 

Often utilized points is Spleen 6, Tai Yang, Du 20, Large intestine 5.

 

Peter

 

Chinese Traditional Medicine , " Al Stone " <al wrote:

>

> Hi Peter,

>

> I wonder if you can share some of your observations of the typical

syndromes

> that arose during the detox period in Vietnam?

>

> I would think that each class of drug would produce different withdrawal

> issues.

>

> Was there like a single issue with multiple causes, say

" irritability " that

> in some cases were deemed Liver Fire, and in others " Kidney and

Heart not

> communicating " ?

>

> Also, what was the patient population like there, younger kids with

too much

> money and not enough brains? Older adults who were trying to dull

the pain

> of their existence? Elderly who had followed the Chinese into opium

use? All

> of the above, none of the above?

>

> Thanks.

> -al.

>

> --

> , DAOM

> Pain is inevitable, suffering is optional.

>

>

>

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Just my 2 cents worth.

 

I had years of addiction and although acupuncture helped a great deal in the

withdrawal period ( NADA - 2 to 4 weeks) it was a 12 Step fellowship that made

all the difference. I am now over 15 years clean and sober and love my own 5

Element acupuncture practice.

 

As I said, just my experience,

 

Gye

 

 

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