Guest guest Posted March 13, 2008 Report Share Posted March 13, 2008 I was diagnosed with weak adrenals(low cortisol)and low DHEA on a saliva test awhile back. I've also had problems with low body temperature, cold hands and feet, poor absorption, trouble gaining weight, allergies, getting up to P in the middle of the night, etc (I could go on, but I'll spare you). History of many amalgams (removed a long time ago and much chelating completed). I'm wondering how TCM would look at this and treat? Would they simply consider it some sort of kidney and/or spleen yang deficiency? Any common herb formulas that you could recommend? Points I could moxa myself? Thanks alot! -michael Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 13, 2008 Report Share Posted March 13, 2008 Hi Michael! What you describe. It indicates deficiency of Kidney yang and qi. I can not recommend herbals, but have you tried ginseng? if you do do not have green tea at the same period. For self moxa, I would use. ST36 (which tonifies qi in general and also produce your own cortisol and known to help the immune system). And CV6, possibly also CV4. Moxa on these points should rise qi and yang in the kidney and spleen. Be careful though, if you have heat in the body you should be vcareful with moxa, then drink water before and after. Also you could use (maybe only that) salt in the navel, a slice of ginger on the salt, and moxa on the ginger. These are just suggestions from the systems you describe. The more you can tell the more we can help, even if there is no sure thing to diagnose without seeing you in person. This is why I give you generall adwise with points that should be safe. Chinese Traditional Medicine , " M " <yoonit wrote: > > I was diagnosed with weak adrenals(low cortisol)and low DHEA on a > saliva test awhile back. I've also had problems with low body > temperature, cold hands and feet, poor absorption, trouble gaining > weight, allergies, getting up to P in the middle of the night, etc (I > could go on, but I'll spare you). History of many amalgams (removed a > long time ago and much chelating completed). > > I'm wondering how TCM would look at this and treat? Would they simply > consider it some sort of kidney and/or spleen yang deficiency? Any > common herb formulas that you could recommend? Points I could moxa > myself? > > Thanks alot! > -michael > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 13, 2008 Report Share Posted March 13, 2008 Hi Peter... Thanks for the advice. I was about to order some ginseng. I assume you mean panax (korean or chinese)ginseng? What about eleuthero (siberian ginseng)? It's supposed to be good for adrenals. I knew about st36 being good for this, but thanks for the other point suggestions. And the salty navel trick sounds very interesting! I'm not sure what else you'd like to know for making an herbal formula recommendation. I can tell you that I do not think I have any heat signs. I'm almost never thirsty. Crave salt. Tongue seems a bit large. Am borderline anemic (macrocytic type...from low hormones?). I eat a diet that is quite healthy.... Thanks again! -michael Chinese Traditional Medicine , " Peter Johansson " <pejo_mstd wrote: > > Hi Michael! > > What you describe. It indicates deficiency of Kidney yang and qi. I > can not recommend herbals, but have you tried ginseng? if you do do > not have green tea at the same period. > > For self moxa, I would use. ST36 (which tonifies qi in general and > also produce your own cortisol and known to help the immune system). > And CV6, possibly also CV4. Moxa on these points should rise qi and > yang in the kidney and spleen. Be careful though, if you have heat in > the body you should be vcareful with moxa, then drink water before and > after. Also you could use (maybe only that) salt in the navel, a slice > of ginger on the salt, and moxa on the ginger. > > These are just suggestions from the systems you describe. The more you > can tell the more we can help, even if there is no sure thing to > diagnose without seeing you in person. This is why I give you generall > adwise with points that should be safe. > > > Chinese Traditional Medicine , " M " <yoonit@> wrote: > > > > I was diagnosed with weak adrenals(low cortisol)and low DHEA on a > > saliva test awhile back. I've also had problems with low body > > temperature, cold hands and feet, poor absorption, trouble gaining > > weight, allergies, getting up to P in the middle of the night, etc (I > > could go on, but I'll spare you). History of many amalgams (removed a > > long time ago and much chelating completed). > > > > I'm wondering how TCM would look at this and treat? Would they simply > > consider it some sort of kidney and/or spleen yang deficiency? Any > > common herb formulas that you could recommend? Points I could moxa > > myself? > > > > Thanks alot! > > -michael > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 13, 2008 Report Share Posted March 13, 2008 Oh, I'm not herbal, so I do not know the difference between the ginseng types, I guess they all tonifies qi. Salt craving should point to the Kidneys since their associated taste is salty. About the diet? What do you mean by healthy. To much raw fruits and vegetables can make you to cold, and from that injure yang. If you do, try to eat them boiled instead, that neutralizes their cold effect and adds some yang to the meals. /Peter Chinese Traditional Medicine , " M " <yoonit wrote: > > Hi Peter... > > Thanks for the advice. I was about to order some ginseng. I assume > you mean panax (korean or chinese)ginseng? What about eleuthero > (siberian ginseng)? It's supposed to be good for adrenals. > > I knew about st36 being good for this, but thanks for the other point > suggestions. And the salty navel trick sounds very interesting! > > I'm not sure what else you'd like to know for making an herbal > formula recommendation. I can tell you that I do not think I have any > heat signs. I'm almost never thirsty. Crave salt. Tongue seems a bit > large. Am borderline anemic (macrocytic type...from low hormones?). I > eat a diet that is quite healthy.... > > Thanks again! > -michael > > > > Chinese Traditional Medicine , " Peter Johansson " > <pejo_mstd@> wrote: > > > > Hi Michael! > > > > What you describe. It indicates deficiency of Kidney yang and qi. I > > can not recommend herbals, but have you tried ginseng? if you do do > > not have green tea at the same period. > > > > For self moxa, I would use. ST36 (which tonifies qi in general and > > also produce your own cortisol and known to help the immune system). > > And CV6, possibly also CV4. Moxa on these points should rise qi and > > yang in the kidney and spleen. Be careful though, if you have heat > in > > the body you should be vcareful with moxa, then drink water before > and > > after. Also you could use (maybe only that) salt in the navel, a > slice > > of ginger on the salt, and moxa on the ginger. > > > > These are just suggestions from the systems you describe. The more > you > > can tell the more we can help, even if there is no sure thing to > > diagnose without seeing you in person. This is why I give you > generall > > adwise with points that should be safe. > > > > > > Chinese Traditional Medicine , " M " <yoonit@> wrote: > > > > > > I was diagnosed with weak adrenals(low cortisol)and low DHEA on a > > > saliva test awhile back. I've also had problems with low body > > > temperature, cold hands and feet, poor absorption, trouble > gaining > > > weight, allergies, getting up to P in the middle of the night, > etc (I > > > could go on, but I'll spare you). History of many amalgams > (removed a > > > long time ago and much chelating completed). > > > > > > I'm wondering how TCM would look at this and treat? Would they > simply > > > consider it some sort of kidney and/or spleen yang deficiency? > Any > > > common herb formulas that you could recommend? Points I could > moxa > > > myself? > > > > > > Thanks alot! > > > -michael > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 13, 2008 Report Share Posted March 13, 2008 Hey M, You could probably look in to a formula that is kind of generic for Kidney qi deficiency called Jin Gui Shen Qi Wan (Golden Cabinet Kidney Qi Pill). That's more for the qi than the yang. This would have a good effect on the nighttime urination. Looking at your description of your symptoms, I have to admit that this does sound like a Kidney (and Spleen) yang deficiency. You might want to try some You Gui Wan (Restore the Right Pills). That last word may vary depending on what form you purchase it in (wan, pian, tang, san, etc.) Another formula that may target better your digestive concerns is Shi Pi Yin (Reinforce the Spleen decoction). It's for Spleen and Kidney yang deficiency. -al. > > > > Chinese Traditional Medicine <Chinese Traditional Medicine%40>, > " M " <yoonit@> wrote: > > > > > > I was diagnosed with weak adrenals(low cortisol)and low DHEA on a > > > saliva test awhile back. I've also had problems with low body > > > temperature, cold hands and feet, poor absorption, trouble > gaining > > > weight, allergies, getting up to P in the middle of the night, > etc (I > > > could go on, but I'll spare you). History of many amalgams > (removed a > > > long time ago and much chelating completed). > > > > > > I'm wondering how TCM would look at this and treat? Would they > simply > > > consider it some sort of kidney and/or spleen yang deficiency? > Any > > > common herb formulas that you could recommend? Points I could > moxa > > > myself? > > > > > > Thanks alot! > > > -michael > > > > > > > > -- , DAOM Pain is inevitable, suffering is optional. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 13, 2008 Report Share Posted March 13, 2008 Hi again, Al... Thanks for the suggestions. I tried a bottle of BLue Poppy jin gui shen qi wan, and it seemed to be helping ....about the time I ran out. Since then, based on my reading since then I was leaning toward the you gui wan. This time I'll order a few months' worth. Do you know of a cheap way to order a quality product (like Blue Poopy or K'an) at a discount? Otherwise, I will order from these guys: http://www.activeherb.com/yougui/ Adding some eleuthero wouldn't hurt anything, would it? Thanks again! -michael Al Stone <al wrote: Hey M, You could probably look in to a formula that is kind of generic for Kidney qi deficiency called Jin Gui Shen Qi Wan (Golden Cabinet Kidney Qi Pill). That's more for the qi than the yang. This would have a good effect on the nighttime urination. Looking at your description of your symptoms, I have to admit that this does sound like a Kidney (and Spleen) yang deficiency. You might want to try some You Gui Wan (Restore the Right Pills). That last word may vary depending on what form you purchase it in (wan, pian, tang, san, etc.) Another formula that may target better your digestive concerns is Shi Pi Yin (Reinforce the Spleen decoction). It's for Spleen and Kidney yang deficiency. -al. > > > > Chinese Traditional Medicine <Chinese Traditional Medicine%40>, > " M " <yoonit@> wrote: > > > > > > I was diagnosed with weak adrenals(low cortisol)and low DHEA on a > > > saliva test awhile back. I've also had problems with low body > > > temperature, cold hands and feet, poor absorption, trouble > gaining > > > weight, allergies, getting up to P in the middle of the night, > etc (I > > > could go on, but I'll spare you). History of many amalgams > (removed a > > > long time ago and much chelating completed). > > > > > > I'm wondering how TCM would look at this and treat? Would they > simply > > > consider it some sort of kidney and/or spleen yang deficiency? > Any > > > common herb formulas that you could recommend? Points I could > moxa > > > myself? > > > > > > Thanks alot! > > > -michael > > > > > > > > -- , DAOM Pain is inevitable, suffering is optional. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 13, 2008 Report Share Posted March 13, 2008 On Thu, Mar 13, 2008 at 10:16 AM, M F <yoonit wrote: > Hi again, Al... > > Thanks for the suggestions. I tried a bottle of BLue Poppy jin gui shen qi > wan, and it seemed to be helping ....about the time I ran out. Since then, > based on my reading since then I was leaning toward the you gui wan. > I think that they're both okay. They're about 50-60% the same herbs. > This time I'll order a few months' worth. Do you know of a cheap way to > order a quality product (like Blue Poopy or K'an) at a discount? > Please, let's show Mr. Flaws some respect. That's Blue *Poppy* not *Poopy* The only way that I can think of to do this more cheaply is to find a practitioner who would sell you the extract powders that are put into the capsules. The encapsulation is costly. The capsules add a buck or two to the price, but the labor needed for encapsulation is where the costs are. So, that's one option. Otherwise, I will order from these guys: > > http://www.activeherb.com/yougui/ > There's a BIG difference between these little peppercorn sized pills and what Blue Poppy encapsulates. The price is not cheaper when you consider the quantity of these little pills needed to equal the strength of capsules with extract powder in them. These little pills are great for an introduction to Chinese herbal medicine, but they're like toys cars compared to a real car in my opinion. <http://www.activeherb.com/yougui/> Adding some eleuthero wouldn't hurt anything, would it? > I think it is okay. If your face turns red and you feel hot, or restless then lower the dosage or stop taking it. Those are symptoms of internal heat and if the eleuthero causes that, then you should stop it. I don't honestly have a lot of experience with this herb, but I don't see any reason why you shouldn't take it based on what you've described in this forum. -al. -- , DAOM Pain is inevitable, suffering is optional. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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