Guest guest Posted February 29, 2008 Report Share Posted February 29, 2008 I am intersted in TCM spleen disorders. If there is a problem with the blood humor is it likely caused by a spleen disorder? The way I understand that it functions is that blood comes in and out and there is white tissue and red tissue. The spleen determines what red blood cells are old and out of date I guess you can say and destroys them. Letting them out could cause problems. What kind of spleen disorders are there? Bill Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 29, 2008 Report Share Posted February 29, 2008 Hi Bill, can you explain a little bit more? What do you mean by blood " humor " ? You seam to explain shortly the westerns function of the spleen. In TCM the functions of the organs is not the same as the western ones. There is wider functions and philosofies of the organs in TCE and they are not limited to the " fleshy " organ itself, but is more like system wide functions. The TCM explains the functions of the Spleen to be: a. Controls Transform and Transport b. Controls lifting o Qi c. Controls Blood d. Controls muscle mass and the four extremities This means: a. It transforms food and liquid to extract Qi from them. And it transport these nutrients to the organs. If the transport function is impaired this leads to retention of fluid, phlegm or edema. b. The Spleen lifts Qi to the lung to create Zhong Qi, If the Spleen do not lift, there may be cause of edema, organ prolapses, profuse menses. c. Not in the way like wester that is, destroy old blood cells, but this is to keep the blood in the vessels, If the Spleen is injures, there may be easy bruising, haemorrhage's etc. d. The Qi from food should nourish the flesh, if Qi is deficient the nutrients does not reach the extremities, making them week and meybe atrophies. In TCM The Spleen creates Blood, which is stored by the Liver and governed by the Heart. Commonly tiredness is attributed to a deficient Spleen. /Peter Johansson Chinese Traditional Medicine , " Bill Cunningham " <billcu4 wrote: > > I am intersted in TCM spleen disorders. If there is a problem with the > blood humor is it likely caused by a spleen disorder? The way I understand > that it functions is that blood comes in and out and there is white tissue > and red tissue. The spleen determines what red blood cells are old and out > of date I guess you can say and destroys them. Letting them out could cause > problems. What kind of spleen disorders are there? > > Bill > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 29, 2008 Report Share Posted February 29, 2008 Chinese Traditional Medicine , " Bill Cunningham " <billcu4 wrote: > > I am intersted in TCM spleen disorders. If there is a problem with the > blood humor is it likely caused by a spleen disorder? The way I understand > that it functions is that blood comes in and out and there is white tissue > and red tissue. The spleen determines what red blood cells are old and out > of date I guess you can say and destroys them. Letting them out could cause > problems. What kind of spleen disorders are there? You're thinking in anatomy and physiology definitions. See Peter's post for details on TCM physiology regarding the Spleen. The word " Spleen " is capitalized when you're talking about the TCM Spleen because TCM Organs are not equivalent to anatomical organs. TCM Organs are collections of functions. The Spleen plays a critical role not only in the body having enough Qi but also in the formation of Blood. (Note the capitalization of " Blood " . Again, something which is not quite the same as anatomical blood.) Something that may help in understanding the Spleen better is the fact that many of the anatomical functions of the pancreas fall under the Spleen in TCM. Some Western writers were even translating the Chinese charater as Spleen-Pancreas for a while. (Don't know if they still do.) In TCM the Kidneys also play a critical role in the production of Blood. Usually Blood Deficiency is due to a weak Spleen, but sometimes it's due to an imbalance in the Kidneys. BTW, many of the functions of the adrenal glands as well as the bones come under the Kidneys in TCM. (If there are problems with the bones, you automatically suspect possible Kidney imbalance and rule in or out.) I know this sounds hopelessly confusing at first - especially when one has a background in anatomy and physiology. But hang in there. It will start to get clearer, and one day there will be that " Eureka! " moment. In the meanwhile, I suggest immersing yourself in TCM definitions. For the time being forget about trying to correlate anything in TCM to anatomy and physiology. Concentrate on the TCM definitions. What I call TCM physiology. Healers in China and healers in the West have been observing the same things for centuries. It's that they organized the information differently. BTW, the Chinese knew about the circulation of Blood/ blood, how to treat goiter, the use of vaccinations, and some other things centuries before anyone in Europe caught on. Victoria Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 29, 2008 Report Share Posted February 29, 2008 - " pejo_mstd " <pejo_mstd <Chinese Traditional Medicine > Friday, February 29, 2008 4:03 AM [Chinese Traditional Medicine] Re: spleen disorders Hi Bill, can you explain a little bit more? What do you mean by blood " humor " ? I guess I am using also old Greek medicine theory. I believe though there are humors in TCM. You seam to explain shortly the westerns function of the spleen. My main problems is mental illness problems. Bill Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 4, 2008 Report Share Posted March 4, 2008 Oh sorry. I am not familiar with that term. I will educate myself a little on the subject. According to the Spleen the emotion is worry. A disordered Spleen can be caused by or be the cause of emotions like worry, pensiveness, pondering, to much thinking etc. The Spleen has a digestive function in TCM, not only related to food, you can also think the Spleen digesting thoughts, if the Splenn does not transport and transform the " thoughts " they get stuck, meaning you get pondering, dwelling over things etc. Depression is also part of Spleen problems I guess, but not the only reason come back about the " humor " when I know what it is. Regards Peter Chinese Traditional Medicine , " Bill Cunningham " <billcu4 wrote: > > - > " pejo_mstd " <pejo_mstd > <Chinese Traditional Medicine > > Friday, February 29, 2008 4:03 AM > [Chinese Traditional Medicine] Re: spleen disorders > > > Hi Bill, can you explain a little bit more? What do you mean by blood > " humor " ? > > I guess I am using also old Greek medicine theory. I believe though > there are humors in TCM. > > You seam to explain shortly the westerns function of the spleen. > > My main problems is mental illness problems. > > Bill > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 4, 2008 Report Share Posted March 4, 2008 I just wanted to emphasize this: Chinese Traditional Medicine , " pejo_mstd " <pejo_mstd wrote: > >The Spleen has a digestive function > in TCM, not only related to food, you can also think the Spleen > digesting thoughts, if the Splenn does not transport and transform the > " thoughts " they get stuck, meaning you get pondering, dwelling over > things etc. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 4, 2008 Report Share Posted March 4, 2008 - " pejo_mstd " <pejo_mstd <Chinese Traditional Medicine > Tuesday, March 04, 2008 3:24 AM [Chinese Traditional Medicine] Re: spleen disorders Oh sorry. I am not familiar with that term. I will educate myself a little on the subject. According to the Spleen the emotion is worry. A disordered Spleen can be caused by or be the cause of emotions like worry, pensiveness, pondering, to much thinking etc. The Spleen has a digestive function in TCM, not only related to food, you can also think the Spleen digesting thoughts, if the Splenn does not transport and transform the " thoughts " they get stuck, meaning you get pondering, dwelling over things etc. Depression is also part of Spleen problems I guess, but not the only reason come back about the " humor " when I know what it is. Regards Peter I might be thinking of phlegm which is a chinese medicine term. It's also one of the anciet Greek humors. Thinking about two medical systems at once and confusing them. Bill Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 6, 2008 Report Share Posted March 6, 2008 Wow... i never knew this... it certainly explains much - thank you! Lexi pejo_mstd <pejo_mstd wrote: Oh sorry. I am not familiar with that term. I will educate myself a little on the subject. According to the Spleen the emotion is worry. A disordered Spleen can be caused by or be the cause of emotions like worry, pensiveness, pondering, to much thinking etc. The Spleen has a digestive function in TCM, not only related to food, you can also think the Spleen digesting thoughts, if the Splenn does not transport and transform the " thoughts " they get stuck, meaning you get pondering, dwelling over things etc. Depression is also part of Spleen problems I guess, but not the only reason come back about the " humor " when I know what it is. Regards Peter Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Mobile. Try it now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 7, 2008 Report Share Posted March 7, 2008 > Where would a person find this sort of information - i.e. the spleens emotion is worry, the bladder is fear (I think). Is there a book a person might read to learn more about organs and emotions? Sherry > I am not familiar with that term. I will educate myself a little on > the subject. > > According to the Spleen the emotion is worry. A disordered Spleen can > be caused by or be the cause of emotions like worry, pensiveness, > pondering, to much thinking etc. The Spleen has a digestive function > in TCM, not only related to food, you can also think the Spleen > digesting thoughts, if the Splenn does not transport and transform the > " thoughts " they get stuck, meaning you get pondering, dwelling over > things etc. Depression is also part of Spleen problems I guess, but > not the only reason > > come back about the " humor " when I know what it is. > > Regards > Peter > > > Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Mobile. > Try it now. > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 7, 2008 Report Share Posted March 7, 2008 Applying emotions to the internal organs falls under Five Element theory. One book that covers many of the five element categories is called " All Sickness is Homesickness " . On Fri, Mar 7, 2008 at 8:13 AM, sherry bakko <sbakko wrote: > > > Where would a person find this sort of information - i.e. the spleens > emotion is worry, the bladder is fear (I think). Is there a book a > person might read to learn more about organs and emotions? > > Sherry > -- , DAOM Pain is inevitable, suffering is optional. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 8, 2008 Report Share Posted March 8, 2008 Chinese Traditional Medicine , " Al Stone " <al wrote: > > Applying emotions to the internal organs falls under Five Element theory. > One book that covers many of the five element categories is called " All > Sickness is Homesickness " . A very good book for advanced students and professionals is Five Spirits: Alchemical Acupuncture for Psychological and Spiritual Healing by Lorie Eve Dechar. Victoria Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 10, 2008 Report Share Posted March 10, 2008 Another good book that looks at 5 Elements and is pretty basic but well written is " for maximum immunity " By Jason Elias Al Stone <al wrote: Applying emotions to the internal organs falls under Five Element theory. One book that covers many of the five element categories is called " All Sickness is Homesickness " . On Fri, Mar 7, 2008 at 8:13 AM, sherry bakko <sbakko wrote: > > > Where would a person find this sort of information - i.e. the spleens > emotion is worry, the bladder is fear (I think). Is there a book a > person might read to learn more about organs and emotions? > > Sherry > -- , DAOM Pain is inevitable, suffering is optional. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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