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I am intersted in TCM spleen disorders. If there is a problem with the

blood humor is it likely caused by a spleen disorder? The way I understand

that it functions is that blood comes in and out and there is white tissue

and red tissue. The spleen determines what red blood cells are old and out

of date I guess you can say and destroys them. Letting them out could cause

problems. What kind of spleen disorders are there?

 

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Hi Bill, can you explain a little bit more? What do you mean by blood

" humor " ?

 

You seam to explain shortly the westerns function of the spleen.

 

In TCM the functions of the organs is not the same as the western

ones. There is wider functions and philosofies of the organs in TCE

and they are not limited to the " fleshy " organ itself, but is more

like system wide functions.

 

The TCM explains the functions of the Spleen to be:

a. Controls Transform and Transport

b. Controls lifting o Qi

c. Controls Blood

d. Controls muscle mass and the four extremities

 

This means:

a. It transforms food and liquid to extract Qi from them. And it

transport these nutrients to the organs. If the transport function is

impaired this leads to retention of fluid, phlegm or edema.

b. The Spleen lifts Qi to the lung to create Zhong Qi, If the Spleen

do not lift, there may be cause of edema, organ prolapses, profuse menses.

c. Not in the way like wester that is, destroy old blood cells, but

this is to keep the blood in the vessels, If the Spleen is injures,

there may be easy bruising, haemorrhage's etc.

d. The Qi from food should nourish the flesh, if Qi is deficient the

nutrients does not reach the extremities, making them week and meybe

atrophies.

 

In TCM The Spleen creates Blood, which is stored by the Liver and

governed by the Heart.

 

Commonly tiredness is attributed to a deficient Spleen.

 

/Peter Johansson

 

Chinese Traditional Medicine , " Bill Cunningham " <billcu4

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> I am intersted in TCM spleen disorders. If there is a problem

with the

> blood humor is it likely caused by a spleen disorder? The way I

understand

> that it functions is that blood comes in and out and there is white

tissue

> and red tissue. The spleen determines what red blood cells are old

and out

> of date I guess you can say and destroys them. Letting them out

could cause

> problems. What kind of spleen disorders are there?

>

> Bill

>

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Chinese Traditional Medicine , " Bill Cunningham "

<billcu4 wrote:

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> I am intersted in TCM spleen disorders. If there is a problem

with the

> blood humor is it likely caused by a spleen disorder? The way I

understand

> that it functions is that blood comes in and out and there is white

tissue

> and red tissue. The spleen determines what red blood cells are old

and out

> of date I guess you can say and destroys them. Letting them out

could cause

> problems. What kind of spleen disorders are there?

 

You're thinking in anatomy and physiology definitions. See Peter's

post for details on TCM physiology regarding the Spleen. The

word " Spleen " is capitalized when you're talking about the TCM Spleen

because TCM Organs are not equivalent to anatomical organs. TCM

Organs are collections of functions.

 

The Spleen plays a critical role not only in the body having enough

Qi but also in the formation of Blood. (Note the capitalization

of " Blood " . Again, something which is not quite the same as

anatomical blood.) Something that may help in understanding the

Spleen better is the fact that many of the anatomical functions of

the pancreas fall under the Spleen in TCM. Some Western writers were

even translating the Chinese charater as Spleen-Pancreas for a while.

(Don't know if they still do.)

 

In TCM the Kidneys also play a critical role in the production of

Blood. Usually Blood Deficiency is due to a weak Spleen, but

sometimes it's due to an imbalance in the Kidneys. BTW, many of the

functions of the adrenal glands as well as the bones come under the

Kidneys in TCM. (If there are problems with the bones, you

automatically suspect possible Kidney imbalance and rule in or out.)

 

I know this sounds hopelessly confusing at first - especially when

one has a background in anatomy and physiology. But hang in there. It

will start to get clearer, and one day there will be that " Eureka! "

moment.

 

In the meanwhile, I suggest immersing yourself in TCM definitions.

For the time being forget about trying to correlate anything in TCM

to anatomy and physiology. Concentrate on the TCM definitions. What I

call TCM physiology. Healers in China and healers in the West have

been observing the same things for centuries. It's that they

organized the information differently. BTW, the Chinese knew about

the circulation of Blood/ blood, how to treat goiter, the use of

vaccinations, and some other things centuries before anyone in Europe

caught on.

 

Victoria

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Friday, February 29, 2008 4:03 AM

[Chinese Traditional Medicine] Re: spleen disorders

 

 

Hi Bill, can you explain a little bit more? What do you mean by blood

" humor " ?

 

I guess I am using also old Greek medicine theory. I believe though

there are humors in TCM.

 

You seam to explain shortly the westerns function of the spleen.

 

My main problems is mental illness problems.

 

Bill

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Oh sorry.

 

I am not familiar with that term. I will educate myself a little on

the subject.

 

According to the Spleen the emotion is worry. A disordered Spleen can

be caused by or be the cause of emotions like worry, pensiveness,

pondering, to much thinking etc. The Spleen has a digestive function

in TCM, not only related to food, you can also think the Spleen

digesting thoughts, if the Splenn does not transport and transform the

" thoughts " they get stuck, meaning you get pondering, dwelling over

things etc. Depression is also part of Spleen problems I guess, but

not the only reason

 

come back about the " humor " when I know what it is.

 

Regards

Peter

 

 

Chinese Traditional Medicine , " Bill Cunningham " <billcu4

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> -

> " pejo_mstd " <pejo_mstd

> <Chinese Traditional Medicine >

> Friday, February 29, 2008 4:03 AM

> [Chinese Traditional Medicine] Re: spleen disorders

>

>

> Hi Bill, can you explain a little bit more? What do you mean by blood

> " humor " ?

>

> I guess I am using also old Greek medicine theory. I believe though

> there are humors in TCM.

>

> You seam to explain shortly the westerns function of the spleen.

>

> My main problems is mental illness problems.

>

> Bill

>

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I just wanted to emphasize this:

 

Chinese Traditional Medicine , " pejo_mstd " <pejo_mstd

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>The Spleen has a digestive function

> in TCM, not only related to food, you can also think the Spleen

> digesting thoughts, if the Splenn does not transport and transform the

> " thoughts " they get stuck, meaning you get pondering, dwelling over

> things etc.

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" pejo_mstd " <pejo_mstd

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Tuesday, March 04, 2008 3:24 AM

[Chinese Traditional Medicine] Re: spleen disorders

 

 

Oh sorry.

 

I am not familiar with that term. I will educate myself a little on

the subject.

 

According to the Spleen the emotion is worry. A disordered Spleen can

be caused by or be the cause of emotions like worry, pensiveness,

pondering, to much thinking etc. The Spleen has a digestive function

in TCM, not only related to food, you can also think the Spleen

digesting thoughts, if the Splenn does not transport and transform the

" thoughts " they get stuck, meaning you get pondering, dwelling over

things etc. Depression is also part of Spleen problems I guess, but

not the only reason

 

come back about the " humor " when I know what it is.

 

Regards

Peter

 

I might be thinking of phlegm which is a chinese medicine term. It's

also one of the anciet Greek humors. Thinking about two medical systems at

once and confusing them.

 

 

Bill

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Wow... i never knew this... it certainly explains much - thank you! Lexi

 

pejo_mstd <pejo_mstd wrote: Oh sorry.

 

I am not familiar with that term. I will educate myself a little on

the subject.

 

According to the Spleen the emotion is worry. A disordered Spleen can

be caused by or be the cause of emotions like worry, pensiveness,

pondering, to much thinking etc. The Spleen has a digestive function

in TCM, not only related to food, you can also think the Spleen

digesting thoughts, if the Splenn does not transport and transform the

" thoughts " they get stuck, meaning you get pondering, dwelling over

things etc. Depression is also part of Spleen problems I guess, but

not the only reason

 

come back about the " humor " when I know what it is.

 

Regards

Peter

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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Where would a person find this sort of information - i.e. the spleens

emotion is worry, the bladder is fear (I think). Is there a book a

person might read to learn more about organs and emotions?

 

Sherry

 

> I am not familiar with that term. I will educate myself a little on

> the subject.

>

> According to the Spleen the emotion is worry. A disordered Spleen can

> be caused by or be the cause of emotions like worry, pensiveness,

> pondering, to much thinking etc. The Spleen has a digestive function

> in TCM, not only related to food, you can also think the Spleen

> digesting thoughts, if the Splenn does not transport and transform the

> " thoughts " they get stuck, meaning you get pondering, dwelling over

> things etc. Depression is also part of Spleen problems I guess, but

> not the only reason

>

> come back about the " humor " when I know what it is.

>

> Regards

> Peter

>

>

> Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Mobile.

> Try it now.

>

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Applying emotions to the internal organs falls under Five Element theory.

One book that covers many of the five element categories is called " All

Sickness is Homesickness " .

 

On Fri, Mar 7, 2008 at 8:13 AM, sherry bakko <sbakko wrote:

 

> >

> Where would a person find this sort of information - i.e. the spleens

> emotion is worry, the bladder is fear (I think). Is there a book a

> person might read to learn more about organs and emotions?

>

> Sherry

>

 

 

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Pain is inevitable, suffering is optional.

 

 

 

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Chinese Traditional Medicine , " Al Stone " <al wrote:

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> Applying emotions to the internal organs falls under Five Element

theory.

> One book that covers many of the five element categories is

called " All

> Sickness is Homesickness " .

 

A very good book for advanced students and professionals is Five

Spirits: Alchemical Acupuncture for Psychological and Spiritual Healing

by Lorie Eve Dechar.

 

Victoria

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Another good book that looks at 5 Elements and is pretty basic but well written

is " for maximum immunity " By Jason Elias

 

Al Stone <al wrote: Applying emotions to the internal

organs falls under Five Element theory.

One book that covers many of the five element categories is called " All

Sickness is Homesickness " .

 

On Fri, Mar 7, 2008 at 8:13 AM, sherry bakko <sbakko wrote:

 

> >

> Where would a person find this sort of information - i.e. the spleens

> emotion is worry, the bladder is fear (I think). Is there a book a

> person might read to learn more about organs and emotions?

>

> Sherry

>

 

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, DAOM

Pain is inevitable, suffering is optional.

 

 

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