why can't take PiFuBing XueDu Wan when have colds?

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would any expert explain why? does it aggrevate cold?

 

http://www.doctorchina.co.uk/index.php?

main_page=product_info & products_id=210

[Guest guest]

Hi Marilyn,

Always get a bit scared with these emails and the implications of people with

unknown qualifications either self-prescribing or possibly acting as someone's

health provider. The problem with mixing knowledge of Western diagnosis and

medicine is that there may seem to be overlap but often there is not, at least

not in how we might think. But, in the spirit of service and in the interests of

free dissemination of information, (you get what you pay for ;-) Here goes...

No expert here but....

Some of the ingredients are common with Yin Qiao San, a popular cold remedy.

But... the chief ingredient appears to be chi shao which is a blood mover. Also

hong hua is a blood mover and the inclusion of these herbs with " wind " herbs

indicates it's not for resolving wind cold disease. Finally, dang gui is a blood

tonifier and mover.

Another problem here is you don't know the doses and this can vary the function

greatly but in my limited understanding this formula is used for the indication

noted on the site, that is acne/eczema.

As far as the confusion from knowing some of these herbs are wind herbs, (is

that why your question?)... often skin conditions can be thought of as wind

" trapped " in the skin and hence you would use a formula/herbs like this.

Most importantly!!! Chinese medicine should not be used without a Chinese

medical diagnosis. Without an expert taking your tongue/pulse and other means of

differentiation to arrive at an accurate diagnosis, taking a formula based on a

given indication is like a shot in the dark, or worse. Based on some of the

ingredients in certain formulas it can be detrimental to your health. My

understanding is that the art of TCM comes through years of seeing cases and

being shown how to diagnose correctly. Even with that, it can be difficult, and

you must be seen regularly to see if your pattern changes.

Very importantly...one of the premises to TCM is not to move a pathogen deeper.

When you use herbs that do not only release the exterior this can be a serious

consideration. A big part of this is the sometimes intentionally broken rule of

not tonifying when a external pathogen is present. I think the inclusion of dang

gui, hong hua and chi shao are significant in this respect.

For resources...2 of the most important....

Chinese Herbal Medicine-Materia Medica- Bensky and Gamble

Chinese Herbal Medicine-Formulas and Strategies- Bensky and Barolet

All the best!

Pete

From site you provided....

Pi Fu Bing Xue Du Wan (by Beijing Tong Ren Tang)

It can provide effective relief or cure for many skin complaints. it is the most

commonly used pills for Eczema and Acne.

 

Manufacturedd by Beijing Tong Ren Tang (???) (more recently called Tongrentang)

is a Chinese pharmaceutical company founded in 1669, which is now the largest

producer of traditional Chinese medicine (TCM).

 

Ingredients:

 

Radix Rubiae

Herba Schizonepetae

Fructus Xanthi

Herba Leonuri

Fructus Arctii

Radix Glycyrrhizae

Radix Angelicae Dahuricae

Rhizoma Ligustici Chuanxiong

Flos Carthami

 

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emailme_marilyn

Chinese Traditional Medicine

Wednesday, January 09, 2008 12:17 AM

[Chinese Traditional Medicine] why can't take PiFuBing XueDu Wan when have colds?

 

 

would any expert explain why? does it aggrevate cold?

 

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[Guest guest]

On Jan 8, 2008 9:17 PM, emailme_marilyn <emailme_marilyn wrote:

 

> would any expert explain why? does it aggrevate cold?

>

> http://www.doctorchina.co.uk/index.php?

> main_page=product_info & products_id=210

>

 

 

 

 

 

 

This formula is made up of about 80% herbs that would be perfectly

acceptable for the common cold. Those ingredients with the asterisk *are*

indicated for the cold

 

Radix Rubiae - qian cao

*Herba Schizonepetae - jing jie

*Fructus Xanthi - cang er zi

Herba Leonuri - yi mu cao

*Fructus Arctii - niu bang zi

*Radix Glycyrrhizae - gan cao

*Radix Angelicae Dahuricae - bai zhi

*Rhizoma Ligustici Chuanxiong - chuan xiong

Flos Carthami - hong hua

etc.

 

The three that aren't usually used for the cold are all blood movers. You

can think of them as " blood thinners " . All of these herbs with asterisks

have an effect on the superficial layers of the body, where the cold is said

to collect ( " just under the skin " ). So, this formula takes the blood moving

functions and directs them to the skin to address excema or acne. I would

venture to say that the specific type of excema or acne that this is best at

addressing is purple cystic acne, or excema with really thick hard skin.

These are the blood stagnation versions of these two problems, as opposed to

the " toxic heat " type of acne which would be more of a black or white head

type acne.

 

Also, one word of warning. The use of the word " etc. " in the ingredients

means that they're putting something in there that they don't want to admit.

Traditionally, this was a means by which a family could protect their herbal

formulas, a very Chinese approach to patent protection. Many times, when

you finally do figure out what the " etc. " means, it's just herbs that kind

of make sense in the formula anyway, nothing too amazing. Sometimes, however

the " etc. " is a very regional herb that's really good, but unknown outside a

small area.

 

The third possibility of " etc. " is that they're adding a Western drug to the

mix. This is a very bad thing, needless to say. I don't think drugs are bad,

I think that lack of transparency of ingredients is bad.

 

Just the fact that they're using this " etc. " as an ingredient would

encourage me to tell you that you shouldn't purchase anything from this

company, or manufacturer, or whomever is selling this formula. 'nuff said

about that.

 

-al.

 

--

, DAOM

Pain is inevitable, suffering is optional.

 

 

 

[Guest guest]

Chinese Traditional Medicine , " Al Stone " <al wrote:

 

> The third possibility of " etc. " is that they're adding a Western drug

to the

> mix. This is a very bad thing, needless to say. I don't think drugs

are bad,

> I think that lack of transparency of ingredients is bad.

 

I have to second that emotion. My cousin recently mixed afrin and

mucinex and got a terrible reaction. She had a rash on her arms that

look like severe burns and was in and out of the hospital for a month.

She's still not herself. -sjb