Guest guest Posted December 11, 2007 Report Share Posted December 11, 2007 Greetings, I read the post about lowering liver enzyme levels in the canine related topic, and thought I could ask the following- Does anyone know if the herbal formulas Free & Easy (shao yao wan) or Shou Wu Pill can that cause an elevation in bilirubin levels? Or if any formulas are associated with this? Thank you in advance for any response. Sincerely, Gail Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 11, 2007 Report Share Posted December 11, 2007 On Dec 11, 2007 8:33 AM, walkonbeauty <walkonbeauty wrote: > Does anyone know if the herbal formulas Free & Easy (shao yao wan) or > Shou Wu Pill can that cause an elevation in bilirubin levels? Or if any > formulas are associated with this? > Hi Gail, Are you saying that after taking these formulas, you have developed jaundice? I can't think of any formulas that *increase* bilirubin levels, only formulas that decrease it. Free & Easy wouldn't, and I'm not sure what is in Shou Wu pills. Just he shou wu? I don't see that as causing jaundice either. That being said, the liver is a rather complex (Western) organ and if jaundice is popping up, it really shouldn't be taken lightly. You might want to check in with your family doctor to get a sense of whether or not something needs to be done immediately, or if bed rest is all that can be done. If an MD suggests just bed rest, then Chinese herbs dispensed by a well trained (and licensed) herbalist would be of great value. -- , DAOM Pain is inevitable, suffering is optional. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 12, 2007 Report Share Posted December 12, 2007 Thank you for responding. I have elevated bilibrubin levels and my western doctor is suspecting the herbs I take for this. I am not currently treating with a Chinese doctor, but many have recomnended the formulas I take. The Shou Hu formula is as follows- He Shou Wu Chuan Xiong Fu Ling I would like to continue with the free and easy formula as it has helped immensly with PMS problems. Regards, Gail > > Hi Gail, > > Are you saying that after taking these formulas, you have developed > jaundice? I can't think of any formulas that *increase* bilirubin levels, > only formulas that decrease it. Free & Easy wouldn't, and I'm not sure what > is in Shou Wu pills. Just he shou wu? I don't see that as causing jaundice > either. > > That being said, the liver is a rather complex (Western) organ and if > jaundice is popping up, it really shouldn't be taken lightly. You might want > to check in with your family doctor to get a sense of whether or not > something needs to be done immediately, or if bed rest is all that can be > done. If an MD suggests just bed rest, then Chinese herbs dispensed by a > well trained (and licensed) herbalist would be of great value. > > -- > , DAOM > Pain is inevitable, suffering is optional. > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 12, 2007 Report Share Posted December 12, 2007 On Dec 12, 2007 7:30 AM, walkonbeauty <walkonbeauty wrote: > Thank you for responding. I have elevated bilibrubin levels and my > western doctor is > suspecting the herbs I take for this. I am not currently treating with a > Chinese doctor, but > many have recomnended the formulas I take. The Shou Hu formula is as > follows- > He Shou Wu > Chuan Xiong > Fu Ling > I would like to continue with the free and easy formula as it has helped > immensly with PMS > problems. > Regards, > Gail > It is really sad that people (not just MDs) assume that if someone is taking herbs, then the default reason for any funky lab values MUST be the herbs. This really gets in the way of treating people, they're too skiddish about the herbs and don't let them do their magic... That being said, if you would like to hold off on the formulas for one month and get yourself retested, that would answer the question once and for all. Nothing wrong with being safe. One of the weak links in the Chinese medicine delivery system is those premade formulas coming out of mainland China. Their manufacturing processes are not yet up to speed in terms of safety and purity. The state of California's Dept. of Health Services tested a bunch of " patent formulas " about 10-15 years ago and discovered a bunch of them with either heavy metal contamination or Western drugs slipped in to improve clinical efficacy. I myself remember taking Gan Mao Ling and feeling really sleepy for the rest of the day. This was because there were anti-histimines added, but they were on the label. That's very bad. Most of these problems have been fixed by now, but periodically another premade formula slips through and we discover that there's something in it that isn't on the label and if it were, it wouldn't be sold over the counter. If you're taking something that was manufactured in the US or Taiwan, you're probably okay in terms of the formula being exactly what it says on the label. However my very own mother has had some elevated liver enzymes recently. As usual, the doctor suspected the herbs. She gave them up for one month and the liver levels were unchanged, so we put her back on the herbs and are pursing other avenues to lower her enzymes (which are only slightly elevated) such as losing weight. Knowing for sure is a good thing. -al. -- , DAOM Pain is inevitable, suffering is optional. http://beyondwellbeing.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 26, 2007 Report Share Posted December 26, 2007 Hi Gail I have raed somewhere that He Shou Wu in a rare occasion can damage the liver and cause jandice.If I find the source I,ll post it. Ed Ahmadi L.Ac , M.S Al Stone <al wrote: On Dec 11, 2007 8:33 AM, walkonbeauty <walkonbeauty wrote: > Does anyone know if the herbal formulas Free & Easy (shao yao wan) or > Shou Wu Pill can that cause an elevation in bilirubin levels? Or if any > formulas are associated with this? > Hi Gail, Are you saying that after taking these formulas, you have developed jaundice? I can't think of any formulas that *increase* bilirubin levels, only formulas that decrease it. Free & Easy wouldn't, and I'm not sure what is in Shou Wu pills. Just he shou wu? I don't see that as causing jaundice either. That being said, the liver is a rather complex (Western) organ and if jaundice is popping up, it really shouldn't be taken lightly. You might want to check in with your family doctor to get a sense of whether or not something needs to be done immediately, or if bed rest is all that can be done. If an MD suggests just bed rest, then Chinese herbs dispensed by a well trained (and licensed) herbalist would be of great value. -- , DAOM Pain is inevitable, suffering is optional. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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