Guest guest Posted December 9, 2007 Report Share Posted December 9, 2007 I am wondering the same thing. I have a dog with slightly elevated ALT's - the TCM vet wants to put him on Chai Hu Shu Gan San - but now I am wondering if the liver alt is up because of stagnation of the blood. How do you figure something like this out - trial and error?? The only thing I noticed about this particular dog is he's sluggish on his walks - doesn't have a lot of stamina. Eats, find, seems fine otherwise. Blood showed elevated ALT. He is related to my other dog with cancer, so I am a bit concerned. Sherry On Dec 9, 2007, at 2:18 PM, Nancy S+13 wrote: > Al, do you think it would be helpful to treat for liver qi stagnation > and blood stagnation? Is there a formula that would address both? > > Al Stone wrote: > > > > On Dec 9, 2007 7:51 AM, Nancy S+13 <nancy > > <nancy%40schimelpfening.net>> wrote: > > > > > For the past year or more I've had a problem with my hands > becoming numb > > > > > > while I'm sleeping. I usually have to wake up several times a > night and > > > rub them. My acupuncturist gave me Si Ni San and within a day or > so the > > > problem subsided, but it returns if I stop taking the Si Ni San. > What > > > does this symptom and the fact that Si Ni San relieves it > indicate? > > > Liver Qi Stagnation? Will it eventually clear up permanently if I > keep > > > taking Si Ni San? Or is there something more I can do? I can't > afford > > > more acupuncture at the moment. > > > > > > > Yes, si ni san's efficacy suggests that the cause for your numb > hands > > is qi > > stagnation. > > > > The fact that it happens at night while sleeping kind of makes me > > think more > > about blood stagnation personally, but what works is more important > than > > what makes sense. > > > > If your qi stagnation is due to a dry bloodless Liver, then in time, > > the bai > > shao in si ni san will address that to the point where you don't > have to > > take this formula all the time. A dry bloodless liver would likely > look a > > bit like anemia from the Western standpoint. Consider some good > > quality red > > meat too, or anything else to generate more blood like an iron > supplement, > > green leafy veggies, or something like that. > > > > If your qi stagnation is induced by stress, then lifestyle changes > are > > going > > to help more. Meditation, prayer, dancing naked when nobody's > watching, > > usual stuff that makes people feel free and happy. Sometimes > addressing qi > > stagnation includes changing jobs, careers, mates, etc. So if > you're not > > addressing your personal issues, you'll need to continue to take > your > > si ni > > san. > > > > Because the problem is more evident at night, I have to at least > consider > > blood circulation as a component here. For this reason, you might > find > > some > > benefit in aerobic exercise too. Get out there and get some huffing > and > > puffing in and your heart will be happier and blood will circulate > better. > > > > -al. > > > > -- > > , DAOM > > Pain is inevitable, suffering is optional. > > http://beyondwellbeing.com <http://beyondwellbeing.com> > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 9, 2007 Report Share Posted December 9, 2007 On Dec 9, 2007 12:48 PM, sherry bakko <sbakko wrote: > I am wondering the same thing. I have a dog with slightly elevated > ALT's - the TCM vet wants to put him on Chai Hu Shu Gan San - but now I > am wondering if the liver alt is up because of stagnation of the blood. > How do you figure something like this out - trial and error?? > I would be okay with Chai Hu Shu Gan, it'll do what your vet is trying to achieve. Incidentally, I'm really quite impressed by the formulas that your vets are suggesting. They're head and shoulders above the (majority of) MDs who are trying to treat people with Chinese herbs. When it comes to the causes of elevated liver enzymes due to qi versus blood stagnation, the difference would be that the liver is otherwise normal with qi stagnation, but with blood stagnation, you'll see cirrhosis or some other hardness to the liver that isn't normally there. So lacking any change to the physical liver organ, best to assume qi stagnation at this point. -al. -- , DAOM Pain is inevitable, suffering is optional. http://beyondwellbeing.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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