Re:live-food Raw Milk in CA close to being banned

[Guest guest]

re: [live-food] Raw Milk in CA close to being banned

 

-the following may be an eye-opener for some:

cheers,

dar

 

 

June 25, 1999 - A LETTER TO THE WALL STREET JOURNAL

By Robert Cohen Executive Director

 

The Wall Street Journal published a letter from a raw

milk

advocate, Sally Fallon. That letter described

Fallon's

mistaken impression that unpasteurized milk is safer

than

the pasteurized version which most Americans drink.

Nothing

could be further from the truth. I decided to write a

letter to the Wall Street Journal, which follows. Will

they

print it? That remains to be seen.

 

LETTER TO WALL STREET JOURNAL

 

GOT BACTERIA?

 

Unpasteurized milk and dairy products contain

surprises for

milk producers, including dangerous bacteria, despite

the

claims made in Sally Fallon's June 17th WSJ letter.

 

When cows are milked, their body fluids are stored in

refrigerated bulk tanks while waiting for the trucks

to take

the milk to the processor. Many farmers drink the raw

unpasteurized milk produced on their farms and they

should

reconsider that practice.

 

The May 10, 1999 issue of HOARD'S DAIRYMAN, the dairy

industry magazine d to by 108,000 " insiders "

(dairy

farmers and milk producers), revealed that dangerous

bacteria are naturally present in milk. The Hoard's

article

revealed that scientists at South Dakota State

University

tested bulk tank milk from 131 dairy herds and found

that

32% of the samples contained one or more species of

pathogenic bacteria.

 

In addition, a survey of those farms revealed that on

60

percent of the surveyed farms, dad, mom and kids

consumed raw milk.

 

What were they drinking?

The study revealed the presence of

salmonella, listeria, campylobacter, yersinia, E.

coli, and

staphylococcus. Milk from hundreds of dairy farms are

usually mixed together and added to that carton of

milk sold in supermarkets.

 

Many bacteria are not killed by pasteurization.

Rod-shaped

bacteria form a " spore " at the first sign of heat

( " spore " is the Greek word for " seed " ). When the milk

cools, the

spore re-emerges into its original form.

________

 

FROM HER UDDER TO YOUR LIPS: THE RAW FACTS

 

RAW MILK

 

Los Angeles County has just completed a study on the

health risks from drinking raw milk. They've issued a

report. Here are some of the highlighlights/lowlights.

 

Health Risks

 

" Diseases which may be transmitted by micro-organisms

in raw milk or raw milk products include

salmonellosis,

campylobacteriosis, brucellosis, yersiniosis,

listeriosis,

staphylococcal enterotoxin poisoning, streptococcal

infections, tuberculosis and E. Coli 0157:H7

infection. "

 

In mid March, I will be debating raw milk advocate

Sally Fallon at the Toronto Total Health 2001

conference. Sally's web page:

 

http://www.realmilk.com

 

I'll be sure to give Sally a copy of a study that

appeared

in the journal Dairy Science (1999 Dec, 82:12). A

study

was performed in which raw milk samples from dairy

herds were tested. Here is what scientists found:

 

" Bulk tank milk from 131 dairy herds in eastern South

Dakota and western Minnesota were examined for

coliforms and noncoliform bacteria. Coliforms were

detected in 62.3% of bulk tank milk samples...

noncoliform

bacteria were observed in 76.3% of bulk tank milk. "

 

Drink raw milk and you're not the only one at risk.

The Los Angeles County report reveals:

 

" Although the initial impact of the disease is on the

individual

consumer, many pathogens may be transmitted from

person

to person, including to family members, and patrons of

restaurants if the individual is a food handler. The

fetus

of a pregnant woman may be at risk. Some of the

diseases

associated with the pathogens can lead to death,

particularly

among vulnerable persons. "

 

The Los Angeles County report cites Centers for

Disease

Control estimates that no more than one out of 20

cases

of food borne illness are reported to local health

departments. Such illnesses are epidemic in nature,

and

rarely reported by the media. Various examples of mass

milk poisonings were given in the L.A. study.

 

In 1985, an outbreak of listeria was linked to soft

cheese made from raw milk produced in Los Angeles

Of the 142 cases reported, 93 were in pregnant women

or their children. There were 48 deaths, including 20

fetuses.

 

Since 1973, 394 cases of salmonella have been

reported in Los Angeles County. Of these, 101 (25.6%)

were consumers of raw milk. Molecular fingerprinting

identified the strain of bacteria in ill persons as

the same as that found in raw milk samples.

 

Health Benefits of Raw Milk

 

A rigorous review of the medical and scientific

literature

by the L.A. County investigators found no studies

suggesting health benefits from consuming raw

cow's milk.

________

 

RABID FANS OF RAW MILK

 

A number of new rs to this list are big fans

of

drinking raw milk. Here are excerpts from a 1999

paper published in:

 

Morbidity and Mortality Weekly Report

(MMWR. 1999;48:228-229)

 

Mass Treatment of Humans Who Drank

Unpasteurized Milk From Rabid Cows

Massachusetts, 1996-1998

 

Rabies is a viral zoonosis that is usually transmitted

by

the bite of an infected mammal. However, in

Massachusetts,

two incidents have been reported since 1996 of

potential

mass exposures to rabies through drinking

unpasteurized

milk. This report presents the investigations of these

two

incidents.

 

Incident 1

 

On November 12, 1998, the Virology Laboratory of the

Massachusetts Department of Public Health (VLMDPH)

diagnosed rabies in a 6-year-old Holstein dairy cow

from

a farm in Worcester County. Further analysis of the

cow's

brain tissue with monoclonal antibodies revealed the

cow

was infected with a variant of the rabies virus

associated

with raccoons in the eastern United States.

 

The cow had been milked 12 times during the week

before

death. Milk from the cow had been pooled with milk

collected

from other cows, and an unpasteurized portion was

distributed for human consumption. Public health

investigations identified 66 persons who drank

unpasteurized

milk collected from this dairy during October

23-November

8.

All 66 received rabies inoculations.

 

Incident 2

 

On November 12, 1996, the VLMDPH diagnosed rabies in

a 14-year-old Jersey dairy cow from a different farm

in

Worcester County. Analysis with monoclonal antibodies

revealed the cow was infected with a variant of the

rabies

virus associated with raccoons in the eastern United

States.

 

An investigation identified 14 persons who drank

unpasteurized milk collected from this cow during this

period. All 14 persons received rabies injections.

____

 

The series of injections used to treat suspected cases

of

rabies costs an average of nearly $2400 per person.

 

The Center for Disease Control reports that there have

been an average of 150 rabid cattle cases each year

reported since 1990.

 

Pasteurization destroys rabies. Does raw milk sound

even less delicious than before?

 

If not, consider these 5 reasons NOT to drink raw

milk:

 

" ... curing alone (pasteurization) may not be a

sufficient

pathogen control step to eliminate Salmonella,

Listeria,

and E. coli O157:H7 from cheese. "

(Journal of Food Protein, 1998 Oct, 61:10)

 

" A drop of sour milk may contain more than 50 million

bacteria. "

(Modern Dairy Products, Third Edition Lincoln Lampert)

 

" Listeria organisms excreted in cow's milk escaped

pasteurization, grew well at refrigerator

temperatures,

and were ingested by consumers. "

(New England Journal of Medicine, 1985, 312, 7)

 

" Bulk tank milk from 131 dairy herds in eastern South

Dakota and western Minnesota were examined for

coliforms bacteria. Coliforms were detected in 62.3%

of bulk tank milk samples...

(Journal of Dairy Science, 1999 Dec, 82:12)

 

" Raw material from animals which are inadvertantly

contaminated with fecal matters during production will

carry antibiotic resistant lactic acid bacteria into

the

final

fermented products such as raw milk cheeses... "

(Journal of Antonie Van Leeuwenhoek, 1999 Jul, 76)

 

 

Robert Cohen author of: MILK A-Z

(201-871-5871)

Executive Director (notmilkman)

Dairy Education Board

http://www.notmilk.com

_______ " Domingo Pichardo " wrote:

 

Please disseminate to ALL Calif. residents that you

know who support

raw foods. Go to the link below print out the letter

and send to

Capitol asap.

 

http://www.westonaprice.org/federalupdate/aa2007/15nov07.html

 

<http://www.westonaprice.org/federalupdate/aa2007/15nov07.html>

 

Please note from Weston Price assoc.

 

Re- Legal Sale and Availability of Raw Milk ? Urgent

 

(Amendment to California Food and Ag. Code AB1735)

 

 

I would like to bring to your attention a very

deliberate and

deceitful attempt by a yet to be determined party to

effectively make

it illegal to sell raw milk in the State of

California. This is a

back door, no discussion allowed attack on the

longstanding freedom

preserved to consume live (raw) milk by the California

Food and

Agriculture Code #35928.

 

I am personally writing to you because I feel I

represent thousands of

your constituents that may be unaware of a significant

threat to our

access to one of the most unique and healthy products

that has been

sold and consumed for years without one problem.

 

Specifically, grass fed live (raw) milk provided by

such producers as

Organic Pastures provide the pure and unadulterated

nutrients that

have nourished countless of prior generations.

Moreover, my very

healthy wife and very healthy three children have

significantly

benefited from the nutrients only found available in

these products.

 

I believe you are in a unique position to offer your

support to a

product that not only has been consumed by tens of

thousands of

California consumers over the years, but provides

valuable income to

the retailers in the State of California. In fact, I

would encourage

you to call your local Whole Foods and learn that they

simply cannot

keep enough of Organic Pastures Raw Milk in stock (and

it sell for $16

per gallon!!!).

 

Additionally, Organic Pastures should be a poster

child for a

California company that is one of the few unsubsidized

dairies in the

nation that has used the free market to offer a

product that costs

200%-300% more than its competitors!

 

At its core, this is an issue of consumer choice and

access to an

irreplaceable nutritional and living product.

 

If we can buy alcohol, cigarettes, and over the

counter drugs with

simple disclaimers, why penalize an actual healthy

product that has a

flawless retail track record?

[Guest guest]

Oh, please! I can dish out an array of reports countering everything

you've posted here, but that would be meaningless, as the issue is not

one of creating controversy. The issue, which is far more reaching and

crucial, is the erosion of our freedom to choose! Whether that choice

is Vaccination, Alternative Health Care or the consumption of a product

like raw milk(from cows, goats, sheep, etc) or raw honey, both of which

have been consumed by humans from the beginning of recorded history, one

thing is perfectly clear... there are very powerful interests in the

Corporate World of Food Production & Packaging, the

Chemical-Pharmaceutical Conglomerate and their cohorts in the AMA, that

are looking to create the perception that their products and services

are the only ones with scientific validation and therefore beneficial to

the public.

 

It is funny how all fascist systems use mass fear of a common threat as

the tool of choice for limiting movement, personal choice, and to induce

compliance to the loss of individual freedom!

 

Domingo

 

dar wrote:

>

>

> re: [live-food] Raw Milk in CA close to being banned

>

> -the following may be an eye-opener for some:

> cheers,

> dar

>

>

> June 25, 1999 - A LETTER TO THE WALL STREET JOURNAL

> By Robert Cohen Executive Director

>

> The Wall Street Journal published a letter from a raw

> milk

> advocate, Sally Fallon. That letter described

> Fallon's

> mistaken impression that unpasteurized milk is safer

> than

> the pasteurized version which most Americans drink.

> Nothing

> could be further from the truth. I decided to write a

> letter to the Wall Street Journal, which follows. Will

> they

> print it? That remains to be seen.

>

> LETTER TO WALL STREET JOURNAL

>

> GOT BACTERIA?

>

> Unpasteurized milk and dairy products contain

> surprises for

> milk producers, including dangerous bacteria, despite

> the

> claims made in Sally Fallon's June 17th WSJ letter.

>

> When cows are milked, their body fluids are stored in

> refrigerated bulk tanks while waiting for the trucks

> to take

> the milk to the processor. Many farmers drink the raw

> unpasteurized milk produced on their farms and they

> should

> reconsider that practice.

>

> The May 10, 1999 issue of HOARD'S DAIRYMAN, the dairy

> industry magazine d to by 108,000 " insiders "

> (dairy

> farmers and milk producers), revealed that dangerous

> bacteria are naturally present in milk. The Hoard's

> article

> revealed that scientists at South Dakota State

> University

> tested bulk tank milk from 131 dairy herds and found

> that

> 32% of the samples contained one or more species of

> pathogenic bacteria.

>

> In addition, a survey of those farms revealed that on

> 60

> percent of the surveyed farms, dad, mom and kids

> consumed raw milk.

>

> What were they drinking?

> The study revealed the presence of

> salmonella, listeria, campylobacter, yersinia, E.

> coli, and

> staphylococcus. Milk from hundreds of dairy farms are

> usually mixed together and added to that carton of

> milk sold in supermarkets.

>

> Many bacteria are not killed by pasteurization.

> Rod-shaped

> bacteria form a " spore " at the first sign of heat

> ( " spore " is the Greek word for " seed " ). When the milk

> cools, the

> spore re-emerges into its original form.

> ________

>

> FROM HER UDDER TO YOUR LIPS: THE RAW FACTS

>

> RAW MILK

>

> Los Angeles County has just completed a study on the

> health risks from drinking raw milk. They've issued a

> report. Here are some of the highlighlights/lowlights.

>

> Health Risks

>

> " Diseases which may be transmitted by micro-organisms

> in raw milk or raw milk products include

> salmonellosis,

> campylobacteriosis, brucellosis, yersiniosis,

> listeriosis,

> staphylococcal enterotoxin poisoning, streptococcal

> infections, tuberculosis and E. Coli 0157:H7

> infection. "

>

> In mid March, I will be debating raw milk advocate

> Sally Fallon at the Toronto Total Health 2001

> conference. Sally's web page:

>

> http://www.realmilk.com <http://www.realmilk.com>

>

> I'll be sure to give Sally a copy of a study that

> appeared

> in the journal Dairy Science (1999 Dec, 82:12). A

> study

> was performed in which raw milk samples from dairy

> herds were tested. Here is what scientists found:

>

> " Bulk tank milk from 131 dairy herds in eastern South

> Dakota and western Minnesota were examined for

> coliforms and noncoliform bacteria. Coliforms were

> detected in 62.3% of bulk tank milk samples...

> noncoliform

> bacteria were observed in 76.3% of bulk tank milk. "

>

> Drink raw milk and you're not the only one at risk.

> The Los Angeles County report reveals:

>

> " Although the initial impact of the disease is on the

> individual

> consumer, many pathogens may be transmitted from

> person

> to person, including to family members, and patrons of

> restaurants if the individual is a food handler. The

> fetus

> of a pregnant woman may be at risk. Some of the

> diseases

> associated with the pathogens can lead to death,

> particularly

> among vulnerable persons. "

>

> The Los Angeles County report cites Centers for

> Disease

> Control estimates that no more than one out of 20

> cases

> of food borne illness are reported to local health

> departments. Such illnesses are epidemic in nature,

> and

> rarely reported by the media. Various examples of mass

> milk poisonings were given in the L.A. study.

>

> In 1985, an outbreak of listeria was linked to soft

> cheese made from raw milk produced in Los Angeles

> Of the 142 cases reported, 93 were in pregnant women

> or their children. There were 48 deaths, including 20

> fetuses.

>

> Since 1973, 394 cases of salmonella have been

> reported in Los Angeles County. Of these, 101 (25.6%)

> were consumers of raw milk. Molecular fingerprinting

> identified the strain of bacteria in ill persons as

> the same as that found in raw milk samples.

>

> Health Benefits of Raw Milk

>

> A rigorous review of the medical and scientific

> literature

> by the L.A. County investigators found no studies

> suggesting health benefits from consuming raw

> cow's milk.

> ________

>

> RABID FANS OF RAW MILK

>

> A number of new rs to this list are big fans

> of

> drinking raw milk. Here are excerpts from a 1999

> paper published in:

>

> Morbidity and Mortality Weekly Report

> (MMWR. 1999;48:228-229)

>

> Mass Treatment of Humans Who Drank

> Unpasteurized Milk From Rabid Cows

> Massachusetts, 1996-1998

>

> Rabies is a viral zoonosis that is usually transmitted

> by

> the bite of an infected mammal. However, in

> Massachusetts,

> two incidents have been reported since 1996 of

> potential

> mass exposures to rabies through drinking

> unpasteurized

> milk. This report presents the investigations of these

> two

> incidents.

>

> Incident 1

>

> On November 12, 1998, the Virology Laboratory of the

> Massachusetts Department of Public Health (VLMDPH)

> diagnosed rabies in a 6-year-old Holstein dairy cow

> from

> a farm in Worcester County. Further analysis of the

> cow's

> brain tissue with monoclonal antibodies revealed the

> cow

> was infected with a variant of the rabies virus

> associated

> with raccoons in the eastern United States.

>

> The cow had been milked 12 times during the week

> before

> death. Milk from the cow had been pooled with milk

> collected

> from other cows, and an unpasteurized portion was

> distributed for human consumption. Public health

> investigations identified 66 persons who drank

> unpasteurized

> milk collected from this dairy during October

> 23-November

> 8.

> All 66 received rabies inoculations.

>

> Incident 2

>

> On November 12, 1996, the VLMDPH diagnosed rabies in

> a 14-year-old Jersey dairy cow from a different farm

> in

> Worcester County. Analysis with monoclonal antibodies

> revealed the cow was infected with a variant of the

> rabies

> virus associated with raccoons in the eastern United

> States.

>

> An investigation identified 14 persons who drank

> unpasteurized milk collected from this cow during this

> period. All 14 persons received rabies injections.

> ____

>

> The series of injections used to treat suspected cases

> of

> rabies costs an average of nearly $2400 per person.

>

> The Center for Disease Control reports that there have

> been an average of 150 rabid cattle cases each year

> reported since 1990.

>

> Pasteurization destroys rabies. Does raw milk sound

> even less delicious than before?

>

> If not, consider these 5 reasons NOT to drink raw

> milk:

>

> " ... curing alone (pasteurization) may not be a

> sufficient

> pathogen control step to eliminate Salmonella,

> Listeria,

> and E. coli O157:H7 from cheese. "

> (Journal of Food Protein, 1998 Oct, 61:10)

>

> " A drop of sour milk may contain more than 50 million

> bacteria. "

> (Modern Dairy Products, Third Edition Lincoln Lampert)

>

> " Listeria organisms excreted in cow's milk escaped

> pasteurization, grew well at refrigerator

> temperatures,

> and were ingested by consumers. "

> (New England Journal of Medicine, 1985, 312, 7)

>

> " Bulk tank milk from 131 dairy herds in eastern South

> Dakota and western Minnesota were examined for

> coliforms bacteria. Coliforms were detected in 62.3%

> of bulk tank milk samples...

> (Journal of Dairy Science, 1999 Dec, 82:12)

>

> " Raw material from animals which are inadvertantly

> contaminated with fecal matters during production will

> carry antibiotic resistant lactic acid bacteria into

> the

> final

> fermented products such as raw milk cheeses... "

> (Journal of Antonie Van Leeuwenhoek, 1999 Jul, 76)

>

> Robert Cohen author of: MILK A-Z

> (201-871-5871)

> Executive Director (notmilkman

> <notmilkman%40notmilk.com>)

> Dairy Education Board

> http://www.notmilk.com <http://www.notmilk.com>

> _______ " Domingo Pichardo " wrote:

>

> Please disseminate to ALL Calif. residents that you

> know who support

> raw foods. Go to the link below print out the letter

> and send to

> Capitol asap.

>

> http://www.westonaprice.org/federalupdate/aa2007/15nov07.html

> <http://www.westonaprice.org/federalupdate/aa2007/15nov07.html>

>

> <http://www.westonaprice.org/federalupdate/aa2007/15nov07.html

> <http://www.westonaprice.org/federalupdate/aa2007/15nov07.html>>

>

> Please note from Weston Price assoc.

>

> Re- Legal Sale and Availability of Raw Milk ? Urgent

>

> (Amendment to California Food and Ag. Code AB1735)

>

> I would like to bring to your attention a very

> deliberate and

> deceitful attempt by a yet to be determined party to

> effectively make

> it illegal to sell raw milk in the State of

> California. This is a

> back door, no discussion allowed attack on the

> longstanding freedom

> preserved to consume live (raw) milk by the California

> Food and

> Agriculture Code #35928.

>

> I am personally writing to you because I feel I

> represent thousands of

> your constituents that may be unaware of a significant

> threat to our

> access to one of the most unique and healthy products

> that has been

> sold and consumed for years without one problem.

>

> Specifically, grass fed live (raw) milk provided by

> such producers as

> Organic Pastures provide the pure and unadulterated

> nutrients that

> have nourished countless of prior generations.

> Moreover, my very

> healthy wife and very healthy three children have

> significantly

> benefited from the nutrients only found available in

> these products.

>

> I believe you are in a unique position to offer your

> support to a

> product that not only has been consumed by tens of

> thousands of

> California consumers over the years, but provides

> valuable income to

> the retailers in the State of California. In fact, I

> would encourage

> you to call your local Whole Foods and learn that they

> simply cannot

> keep enough of Organic Pastures Raw Milk in stock (and

> it sell for $16

> per gallon!!!).

>

> Additionally, Organic Pastures should be a poster

> child for a

> California company that is one of the few unsubsidized

> dairies in the

> nation that has used the free market to offer a

> product that costs

> 200%-300% more than its competitors!

>

> At its core, this is an issue of consumer choice and

> access to an

> irreplaceable nutritional and living product.

>

> If we can buy alcohol, cigarettes, and over the

> counter drugs with

> simple disclaimers, why penalize an actual healthy

> product that has a

> flawless retail track record?

>

>

 

 

 

[Guest guest]

I have to agree - I have consumed raw milk my entire life.

 

Sherry

 

On Nov 18, 2007, at 9:07 AM, Domingo Pichardo wrote:

 

> Oh, please! I can dish out an array of reports countering everything

> you've posted here, but that would be meaningless, as the issue is not

> one of creating controversy. The issue, which is far more reaching and

> crucial, is the erosion of our freedom to choose! Whether that choice

> is Vaccination, Alternative Health Care or the consumption of a

> product

> like raw milk(from cows, goats, sheep, etc) or raw honey, both of

> which

> have been consumed by humans from the beginning of recorded history,

> one

> thing is perfectly clear... there are very powerful interests in the

> Corporate World of Food Production & Packaging, the

> Chemical-Pharmaceutical Conglomerate and their cohorts in the AMA,

> that

> are looking to create the perception that their products and services

> are the only ones with scientific validation and therefore beneficial

> to

> the public.

>

> It is funny how all fascist systems use mass fear of a common threat

> as

> the tool of choice for limiting movement, personal choice, and to

> induce

> compliance to the loss of individual freedom!

>

> Domingo

>

> dar wrote:

> >

> >

> > re: [live-food] Raw Milk in CA close to being banned

> >

> > -the following may be an eye-opener for some:

> > cheers,

> > dar

> >

> >

> > June 25, 1999 - A LETTER TO THE WALL STREET JOURNAL

> > By Robert Cohen Executive Director

> >

> > The Wall Street Journal published a letter from a raw

> > milk

> > advocate, Sally Fallon. That letter described

> > Fallon's

> > mistaken impression that unpasteurized milk is safer

> > than

> > the pasteurized version which most Americans drink.

> > Nothing

> > could be further from the truth. I decided to write a

> > letter to the Wall Street Journal, which follows. Will

> > they

> > print it? That remains to be seen.

> >

> > LETTER TO WALL STREET JOURNAL

> >

> > GOT BACTERIA?

> >

> > Unpasteurized milk and dairy products contain

> > surprises for

> > milk producers, including dangerous bacteria, despite

> > the

> > claims made in Sally Fallon's June 17th WSJ letter.

> >

> > When cows are milked, their body fluids are stored in

> > refrigerated bulk tanks while waiting for the trucks

> > to take

> > the milk to the processor. Many farmers drink the raw

> > unpasteurized milk produced on their farms and they

> > should

> > reconsider that practice.

> >

> > The May 10, 1999 issue of HOARD'S DAIRYMAN, the dairy

> > industry magazine d to by 108,000 " insiders "

> > (dairy

> > farmers and milk producers), revealed that dangerous

> > bacteria are naturally present in milk. The Hoard's

> > article

> > revealed that scientists at South Dakota State

> > University

> > tested bulk tank milk from 131 dairy herds and found

> > that

> > 32% of the samples contained one or more species of

> > pathogenic bacteria.

> >

> > In addition, a survey of those farms revealed that on

> > 60

> > percent of the surveyed farms, dad, mom and kids

> > consumed raw milk.

> >

> > What were they drinking?

> > The study revealed the presence of

> > salmonella, listeria, campylobacter, yersinia, E.

> > coli, and

> > staphylococcus. Milk from hundreds of dairy farms are

> > usually mixed together and added to that carton of

> > milk sold in supermarkets.

> >

> > Many bacteria are not killed by pasteurization.

> > Rod-shaped

> > bacteria form a " spore " at the first sign of heat

> > ( " spore " is the Greek word for " seed " ). When the milk

> > cools, the

> > spore re-emerges into its original form.

> > ________

> >

> > FROM HER UDDER TO YOUR LIPS: THE RAW FACTS

> >

> > RAW MILK

> >

> > Los Angeles County has just completed a study on the

> > health risks from drinking raw milk. They've issued a

> > report. Here are some of the highlighlights/lowlights.

> >

> > Health Risks

> >

> > " Diseases which may be transmitted by micro-organisms

> > in raw milk or raw milk products include

> > salmonellosis,

> > campylobacteriosis, brucellosis, yersiniosis,

> > listeriosis,

> > staphylococcal enterotoxin poisoning, streptococcal

> > infections, tuberculosis and E. Coli 0157:H7

> > infection. "

> >

> > In mid March, I will be debating raw milk advocate

> > Sally Fallon at the Toronto Total Health 2001

> > conference. Sally's web page:

> >

> > http://www.realmilk.com <http://www.realmilk.com>

> >

> > I'll be sure to give Sally a copy of a study that

> > appeared

> > in the journal Dairy Science (1999 Dec, 82:12). A

> > study

> > was performed in which raw milk samples from dairy

> > herds were tested. Here is what scientists found:

> >

> > " Bulk tank milk from 131 dairy herds in eastern South

> > Dakota and western Minnesota were examined for

> > coliforms and noncoliform bacteria. Coliforms were

> > detected in 62.3% of bulk tank milk samples...

> > noncoliform

> > bacteria were observed in 76.3% of bulk tank milk. "

> >

> > Drink raw milk and you're not the only one at risk.

> > The Los Angeles County report reveals:

> >

> > " Although the initial impact of the disease is on the

> > individual

> > consumer, many pathogens may be transmitted from

> > person

> > to person, including to family members, and patrons of

> > restaurants if the individual is a food handler. The

> > fetus

> > of a pregnant woman may be at risk. Some of the

> > diseases

> > associated with the pathogens can lead to death,

> > particularly

> > among vulnerable persons. "

> >

> > The Los Angeles County report cites Centers for

> > Disease

> > Control estimates that no more than one out of 20

> > cases

> > of food borne illness are reported to local health

> > departments. Such illnesses are epidemic in nature,

> > and

> > rarely reported by the media. Various examples of mass

> > milk poisonings were given in the L.A. study.

> >

> > In 1985, an outbreak of listeria was linked to soft

> > cheese made from raw milk produced in Los Angeles

> > Of the 142 cases reported, 93 were in pregnant women

> > or their children. There were 48 deaths, including 20

> > fetuses.

> >

> > Since 1973, 394 cases of salmonella have been

> > reported in Los Angeles County. Of these, 101 (25.6%)

> > were consumers of raw milk. Molecular fingerprinting

> > identified the strain of bacteria in ill persons as

> > the same as that found in raw milk samples.

> >

> > Health Benefits of Raw Milk

> >

> > A rigorous review of the medical and scientific

> > literature

> > by the L.A. County investigators found no studies

> > suggesting health benefits from consuming raw

> > cow's milk.

> > ________

> >

> > RABID FANS OF RAW MILK

> >

> > A number of new rs to this list are big fans

> > of

> > drinking raw milk. Here are excerpts from a 1999

> > paper published in:

> >

> > Morbidity and Mortality Weekly Report

> > (MMWR. 1999;48:228-229)

> >

> > Mass Treatment of Humans Who Drank

> > Unpasteurized Milk From Rabid Cows

> > Massachusetts, 1996-1998

> >

> > Rabies is a viral zoonosis that is usually transmitted

> > by

> > the bite of an infected mammal. However, in

> > Massachusetts,

> > two incidents have been reported since 1996 of

> > potential

> > mass exposures to rabies through drinking

> > unpasteurized

> > milk. This report presents the investigations of these

> > two

> > incidents.

> >

> > Incident 1

> >

> > On November 12, 1998, the Virology Laboratory of the

> > Massachusetts Department of Public Health (VLMDPH)

> > diagnosed rabies in a 6-year-old Holstein dairy cow

> > from

> > a farm in Worcester County. Further analysis of the

> > cow's

> > brain tissue with monoclonal antibodies revealed the

> > cow

> > was infected with a variant of the rabies virus

> > associated

> > with raccoons in the eastern United States.

> >

> > The cow had been milked 12 times during the week

> > before

> > death. Milk from the cow had been pooled with milk

> > collected

> > from other cows, and an unpasteurized portion was

> > distributed for human consumption. Public health

> > investigations identified 66 persons who drank

> > unpasteurized

> > milk collected from this dairy during October

> > 23-November

> > 8.

> > All 66 received rabies inoculations.

> >

> > Incident 2

> >

> > On November 12, 1996, the VLMDPH diagnosed rabies in

> > a 14-year-old Jersey dairy cow from a different farm

> > in

> > Worcester County. Analysis with monoclonal antibodies

> > revealed the cow was infected with a variant of the

> > rabies

> > virus associated with raccoons in the eastern United

> > States.

> >

> > An investigation identified 14 persons who drank

> > unpasteurized milk collected from this cow during this

> > period. All 14 persons received rabies injections.

> > ____

> >

> > The series of injections used to treat suspected cases

> > of

> > rabies costs an average of nearly $2400 per person.

> >

> > The Center for Disease Control reports that there have

> > been an average of 150 rabid cattle cases each year

> > reported since 1990.

> >

> > Pasteurization destroys rabies. Does raw milk sound

> > even less delicious than before?

> >

> > If not, consider these 5 reasons NOT to drink raw

> > milk:

> >

> > " ... curing alone (pasteurization) may not be a

> > sufficient

> > pathogen control step to eliminate Salmonella,

> > Listeria,

> > and E. coli O157:H7 from cheese. "

> > (Journal of Food Protein, 1998 Oct, 61:10)

> >

> > " A drop of sour milk may contain more than 50 million

> > bacteria. "

> > (Modern Dairy Products, Third Edition Lincoln Lampert)

> >

> > " Listeria organisms excreted in cow's milk escaped

> > pasteurization, grew well at refrigerator

> > temperatures,

> > and were ingested by consumers. "

> > (New England Journal of Medicine, 1985, 312, 7)

> >

> > " Bulk tank milk from 131 dairy herds in eastern South

> > Dakota and western Minnesota were examined for

> > coliforms bacteria. Coliforms were detected in 62.3%

> > of bulk tank milk samples...

> > (Journal of Dairy Science, 1999 Dec, 82:12)

> >

> > " Raw material from animals which are inadvertantly

> > contaminated with fecal matters during production will

> > carry antibiotic resistant lactic acid bacteria into

> > the

> > final

> > fermented products such as raw milk cheeses... "

> > (Journal of Antonie Van Leeuwenhoek, 1999 Jul, 76)

> >

> > Robert Cohen author of: MILK A-Z

> > (201-871-5871)

> > Executive Director (notmilkman

> > <notmilkman%40notmilk.com>)

> > Dairy Education Board

> > http://www.notmilk.com <http://www.notmilk.com>

> > _______ " Domingo Pichardo " wrote:

> >

> > Please disseminate to ALL Calif. residents that you

> > know who support

> > raw foods. Go to the link below print out the letter

> > and send to

> > Capitol asap.

> >

> > http://www.westonaprice.org/federalupdate/aa2007/15nov07.html

> > <http://www.westonaprice.org/federalupdate/aa2007/15nov07.html>

> >

> > <http://www.westonaprice.org/federalupdate/aa2007/15nov07.html

> > <http://www.westonaprice.org/federalupdate/aa2007/15nov07.html>>

> >

> > Please note from Weston Price assoc.

> >

> > Re- Legal Sale and Availability of Raw Milk ? Urgent

> >

> > (Amendment to California Food and Ag. Code AB1735)

> >

> > I would like to bring to your attention a very

> > deliberate and

> > deceitful attempt by a yet to be determined party to

> > effectively make

> > it illegal to sell raw milk in the State of

> > California. This is a

> > back door, no discussion allowed attack on the

> > longstanding freedom

> > preserved to consume live (raw) milk by the California

> > Food and

> > Agriculture Code #35928.

> >

> > I am personally writing to you because I feel I

> > represent thousands of

> > your constituents that may be unaware of a significant

> > threat to our

> > access to one of the most unique and healthy products

> > that has been

> > sold and consumed for years without one problem.

> >

> > Specifically, grass fed live (raw) milk provided by

> > such producers as

> > Organic Pastures provide the pure and unadulterated

> > nutrients that

> > have nourished countless of prior generations.

> > Moreover, my very

> > healthy wife and very healthy three children have

> > significantly

> > benefited from the nutrients only found available in

> > these products.

> >

> > I believe you are in a unique position to offer your

> > support to a

> > product that not only has been consumed by tens of

> > thousands of

> > California consumers over the years, but provides

> > valuable income to

> > the retailers in the State of California. In fact, I

> > would encourage

> > you to call your local Whole Foods and learn that they

> > simply cannot

> > keep enough of Organic Pastures Raw Milk in stock (and

> > it sell for $16

> > per gallon!!!).

> >

> > Additionally, Organic Pastures should be a poster

> > child for a

> > California company that is one of the few unsubsidized

> > dairies in the

> > nation that has used the free market to offer a

> > product that costs

> > 200%-300% more than its competitors!

> >

> > At its core, this is an issue of consumer choice and

> > access to an

> > irreplaceable nutritional and living product.

> >

> > If we can buy alcohol, cigarettes, and over the

> > counter drugs with

> > simple disclaimers, why penalize an actual healthy

> > product that has a

> > flawless retail track record?

> >

> >

>

>

[Guest guest]

We must analyze the roots of the tree and not the leaves so much. Focusing

on the marketing and funding of is where a tourniquet should be applied.

However daunting this may be it can only exponentially improve the choices

we are choosing from.

 

 

 

Milk in general I too much for the body- containing 400 proteins and one of

them casein from which America makes postal glue out of- Milk is not

necessary. The litmus paper test for anyone should not be that they have

simply had it their whole life and that they are still standing. Let us not

forget how that it's takes many generations before some genetic mutations

are made manifest. Most of which are the subtle chronic " bad " choices we

are dealt by our own country.

 

 

 

 

 

_____

 

Chinese Traditional Medicine [Chinese Traditional Medicine ]

On Behalf Of sherry bakko

Sunday, November 18, 2007 8:21 AM

Chinese Traditional Medicine

Re: [Chinese Traditional Medicine] Re:live-food Raw Milk in CA close to being

banned

 

 

 

I have to agree - I have consumed raw milk my entire life.

 

Sherry

 

On Nov 18, 2007, at 9:07 AM, Domingo Pichardo wrote:

 

> Oh, please! I can dish out an array of reports countering everything

> you've posted here, but that would be meaningless, as the issue is not

> one of creating controversy. The issue, which is far more reaching and

> crucial, is the erosion of our freedom to choose! Whether that choice

> is Vaccination, Alternative Health Care or the consumption of a

> product

> like raw milk(from cows, goats, sheep, etc) or raw honey, both of

> which

> have been consumed by humans from the beginning of recorded history,

> one

> thing is perfectly clear... there are very powerful interests in the

> Corporate World of Food Production & Packaging, the

> Chemical-Pharmaceutical Conglomerate and their cohorts in the AMA,

> that

> are looking to create the perception that their products and services

> are the only ones with scientific validation and therefore beneficial

> to

> the public.

>

> It is funny how all fascist systems use mass fear of a common threat

> as

> the tool of choice for limiting movement, personal choice, and to

> induce

> compliance to the loss of individual freedom!

>

> Domingo

>

> dar wrote:

> >

> >

> > re: [live-food] Raw Milk in CA close to being banned

> >

> > -the following may be an eye-opener for some:

> > cheers,

> > dar

> >

> >

> > June 25, 1999 - A LETTER TO THE WALL STREET JOURNAL

> > By Robert Cohen Executive Director

> >

> > The Wall Street Journal published a letter from a raw

> > milk

> > advocate, Sally Fallon. That letter described

> > Fallon's

> > mistaken impression that unpasteurized milk is safer

> > than

> > the pasteurized version which most Americans drink.

> > Nothing

> > could be further from the truth. I decided to write a

> > letter to the Wall Street Journal, which follows. Will

> > they

> > print it? That remains to be seen.

> >

> > LETTER TO WALL STREET JOURNAL

> >

> > GOT BACTERIA?

> >

> > Unpasteurized milk and dairy products contain

> > surprises for

> > milk producers, including dangerous bacteria, despite

> > the

> > claims made in Sally Fallon's June 17th WSJ letter.

> >

> > When cows are milked, their body fluids are stored in

> > refrigerated bulk tanks while waiting for the trucks

> > to take

> > the milk to the processor. Many farmers drink the raw

> > unpasteurized milk produced on their farms and they

> > should

> > reconsider that practice.

> >

> > The May 10, 1999 issue of HOARD'S DAIRYMAN, the dairy

> > industry magazine d to by 108,000 " insiders "

> > (dairy

> > farmers and milk producers), revealed that dangerous

> > bacteria are naturally present in milk. The Hoard's

> > article

> > revealed that scientists at South Dakota State

> > University

> > tested bulk tank milk from 131 dairy herds and found

> > that

> > 32% of the samples contained one or more species of

> > pathogenic bacteria.

> >

> > In addition, a survey of those farms revealed that on

> > 60

> > percent of the surveyed farms, dad, mom and kids

> > consumed raw milk.

> >

> > What were they drinking?

> > The study revealed the presence of

> > salmonella, listeria, campylobacter, yersinia, E.

> > coli, and

> > staphylococcus. Milk from hundreds of dairy farms are

> > usually mixed together and added to that carton of

> > milk sold in supermarkets.

> >

> > Many bacteria are not killed by pasteurization.

> > Rod-shaped

> > bacteria form a " spore " at the first sign of heat

> > ( " spore " is the Greek word for " seed " ). When the milk

> > cools, the

> > spore re-emerges into its original form.

> > ________

> >

> > FROM HER UDDER TO YOUR LIPS: THE RAW FACTS

> >

> > RAW MILK

> >

> > Los Angeles County has just completed a study on the

> > health risks from drinking raw milk. They've issued a

> > report. Here are some of the highlighlights/lowlights.

> >

> > Health Risks

> >

> > " Diseases which may be transmitted by micro-organisms

> > in raw milk or raw milk products include

> > salmonellosis,

> > campylobacteriosis, brucellosis, yersiniosis,

> > listeriosis,

> > staphylococcal enterotoxin poisoning, streptococcal

> > infections, tuberculosis and E. Coli 0157:H7

> > infection. "

> >

> > In mid March, I will be debating raw milk advocate

> > Sally Fallon at the Toronto Total Health 2001

> > conference. Sally's web page:

> >

> > http://www.realmilk <http://www.realmilk.com> .com <http://www.realmilk

<http://www.realmilk.com> .com>

> >

> > I'll be sure to give Sally a copy of a study that

> > appeared

> > in the journal Dairy Science (1999 Dec, 82:12). A

> > study

> > was performed in which raw milk samples from dairy

> > herds were tested. Here is what scientists found:

> >

> > " Bulk tank milk from 131 dairy herds in eastern South

> > Dakota and western Minnesota were examined for

> > coliforms and noncoliform bacteria. Coliforms were

> > detected in 62.3% of bulk tank milk samples...

> > noncoliform

> > bacteria were observed in 76.3% of bulk tank milk. "

> >

> > Drink raw milk and you're not the only one at risk.

> > The Los Angeles County report reveals:

> >

> > " Although the initial impact of the disease is on the

> > individual

> > consumer, many pathogens may be transmitted from

> > person

> > to person, including to family members, and patrons of

> > restaurants if the individual is a food handler. The

> > fetus

> > of a pregnant woman may be at risk. Some of the

> > diseases

> > associated with the pathogens can lead to death,

> > particularly

> > among vulnerable persons. "

> >

> > The Los Angeles County report cites Centers for

> > Disease

> > Control estimates that no more than one out of 20

> > cases

> > of food borne illness are reported to local health

> > departments. Such illnesses are epidemic in nature,

> > and

> > rarely reported by the media. Various examples of mass

> > milk poisonings were given in the L.A. study.

> >

> > In 1985, an outbreak of listeria was linked to soft

> > cheese made from raw milk produced in Los Angeles

> > Of the 142 cases reported, 93 were in pregnant women

> > or their children. There were 48 deaths, including 20

> > fetuses.

> >

> > Since 1973, 394 cases of salmonella have been

> > reported in Los Angeles County. Of these, 101 (25.6%)

> > were consumers of raw milk. Molecular fingerprinting

> > identified the strain of bacteria in ill persons as

> > the same as that found in raw milk samples.

> >

> > Health Benefits of Raw Milk

> >

> > A rigorous review of the medical and scientific

> > literature

> > by the L.A. County investigators found no studies

> > suggesting health benefits from consuming raw

> > cow's milk.

> > ________

> >

> > RABID FANS OF RAW MILK

> >

> > A number of new rs to this list are big fans

> > of

> > drinking raw milk. Here are excerpts from a 1999

> > paper published in:

> >

> > Morbidity and Mortality Weekly Report

> > (MMWR. 1999;48:228-229)

> >

> > Mass Treatment of Humans Who Drank

> > Unpasteurized Milk From Rabid Cows

> > Massachusetts, 1996-1998

> >

> > Rabies is a viral zoonosis that is usually transmitted

> > by

> > the bite of an infected mammal. However, in

> > Massachusetts,

> > two incidents have been reported since 1996 of

> > potential

> > mass exposures to rabies through drinking

> > unpasteurized

> > milk. This report presents the investigations of these

> > two

> > incidents.

> >

> > Incident 1

> >

> > On November 12, 1998, the Virology Laboratory of the

> > Massachusetts Department of Public Health (VLMDPH)

> > diagnosed rabies in a 6-year-old Holstein dairy cow

> > from

> > a farm in Worcester County. Further analysis of the

> > cow's

> > brain tissue with monoclonal antibodies revealed the

> > cow

> > was infected with a variant of the rabies virus

> > associated

> > with raccoons in the eastern United States.

> >

> > The cow had been milked 12 times during the week

> > before

> > death. Milk from the cow had been pooled with milk

> > collected

> > from other cows, and an unpasteurized portion was

> > distributed for human consumption. Public health

> > investigations identified 66 persons who drank

> > unpasteurized

> > milk collected from this dairy during October

> > 23-November

> > 8.

> > All 66 received rabies inoculations.

> >

> > Incident 2

> >

> > On November 12, 1996, the VLMDPH diagnosed rabies in

> > a 14-year-old Jersey dairy cow from a different farm

> > in

> > Worcester County. Analysis with monoclonal antibodies

> > revealed the cow was infected with a variant of the

> > rabies

> > virus associated with raccoons in the eastern United

> > States.

> >

> > An investigation identified 14 persons who drank

> > unpasteurized milk collected from this cow during this

> > period. All 14 persons received rabies injections.

> > ____

> >

> > The series of injections used to treat suspected cases

> > of

> > rabies costs an average of nearly $2400 per person.

> >

> > The Center for Disease Control reports that there have

> > been an average of 150 rabid cattle cases each year

> > reported since 1990.

> >

> > Pasteurization destroys rabies. Does raw milk sound

> > even less delicious than before?

> >

> > If not, consider these 5 reasons NOT to drink raw

> > milk:

> >

> > " ... curing alone (pasteurization) may not be a

> > sufficient

> > pathogen control step to eliminate Salmonella,

> > Listeria,

> > and E. coli O157:H7 from cheese. "

> > (Journal of Food Protein, 1998 Oct, 61:10)

> >

> > " A drop of sour milk may contain more than 50 million

> > bacteria. "

> > (Modern Dairy Products, Third Edition Lincoln Lampert)

> >

> > " Listeria organisms excreted in cow's milk escaped

> > pasteurization, grew well at refrigerator

> > temperatures,

> > and were ingested by consumers. "

> > (New England Journal of Medicine, 1985, 312, 7)

> >

> > " Bulk tank milk from 131 dairy herds in eastern South

> > Dakota and western Minnesota were examined for

> > coliforms bacteria. Coliforms were detected in 62.3%

> > of bulk tank milk samples...

> > (Journal of Dairy Science, 1999 Dec, 82:12)

> >

> > " Raw material from animals which are inadvertantly

> > contaminated with fecal matters during production will

> > carry antibiotic resistant lactic acid bacteria into

> > the

> > final

> > fermented products such as raw milk cheeses... "

> > (Journal of Antonie Van Leeuwenhoek, 1999 Jul, 76)

> >

> > Robert Cohen author of: MILK A-Z

> > (201-871-5871)

> > Executive Director (notmilkman (AT) notmilk (DOT)

<notmilkman%40notmilk.com> com

> > <notmilkman%40notmilk.com>)

> > Dairy Education Board

> > http://www.notmilk. <http://www.notmilk.com> com <http://www.notmilk.

<http://www.notmilk.com> com>

> > _______ " Domingo Pichardo " wrote:

> >

> > Please disseminate to ALL Calif. residents that you

> > know who support

> > raw foods. Go to the link below print out the letter

> > and send to

> > Capitol asap.

> >

> > http://www.westonap

<http://www.westonaprice.org/federalupdate/aa2007/15nov07.html>

rice.org/federalupdate/aa2007/15nov07.html

> > <http://www.westonap

<http://www.westonaprice.org/federalupdate/aa2007/15nov07.html>

rice.org/federalupdate/aa2007/15nov07.html>

> >

> > <http://www.westonap

<http://www.westonaprice.org/federalupdate/aa2007/15nov07.html>

rice.org/federalupdate/aa2007/15nov07.html

> > <http://www.westonap

<http://www.westonaprice.org/federalupdate/aa2007/15nov07.html>

rice.org/federalupdate/aa2007/15nov07.html>>

> >

> > Please note from Weston Price assoc.

> >

> > Re- Legal Sale and Availability of Raw Milk ? Urgent

> >

> > (Amendment to California Food and Ag. Code AB1735)

> >

> > I would like to bring to your attention a very

> > deliberate and

> > deceitful attempt by a yet to be determined party to

> > effectively make

> > it illegal to sell raw milk in the State of

> > California. This is a

> > back door, no discussion allowed attack on the

> > longstanding freedom

> > preserved to consume live (raw) milk by the California

> > Food and

> > Agriculture Code #35928.

> >

> > I am personally writing to you because I feel I

> > represent thousands of

> > your constituents that may be unaware of a significant

> > threat to our

> > access to one of the most unique and healthy products

> > that has been

> > sold and consumed for years without one problem.

> >

> > Specifically, grass fed live (raw) milk provided by

> > such producers as

> > Organic Pastures provide the pure and unadulterated

> > nutrients that

> > have nourished countless of prior generations.

> > Moreover, my very

> > healthy wife and very healthy three children have

> > significantly

> > benefited from the nutrients only found available in

> > these products.

> >

> > I believe you are in a unique position to offer your

> > support to a

> > product that not only has been consumed by tens of

> > thousands of

> > California consumers over the years, but provides

> > valuable income to

> > the retailers in the State of California. In fact, I

> > would encourage

> > you to call your local Whole Foods and learn that they

> > simply cannot

> > keep enough of Organic Pastures Raw Milk in stock (and

> > it sell for $16

> > per gallon!!!).

> >

> > Additionally, Organic Pastures should be a poster

> > child for a

> > California company that is one of the few unsubsidized

> > dairies in the

> > nation that has used the free market to offer a

> > product that costs

> > 200%-300% more than its competitors!

> >

> > At its core, this is an issue of consumer choice and

> > access to an

> > irreplaceable nutritional and living product.

> >

> > If we can buy alcohol, cigarettes, and over the

> > counter drugs with

> > simple disclaimers, why penalize an actual healthy

> > product that has a

> > flawless retail track record?

> >

> >

>

>

[Guest guest]

I like this post =)

 

I feel like more of the root should be sought after. What I feel is

the root is personal education, and personal owning of the decision

that results from the education. Go ahead and educate people and

bring them aware to the information you have, but utlimately everyone

has their own choice and needs to make it and feel good about it like

it is in their best interest.

 

I feel that there is too much polarity in how one is obtains health

here in the United States. There are people that are basically health

nuts (this isn't always over the top of course (especially if TCM

teaches us anything), because some people have to be because of the

conditions they have in order to get along), and then there are alot

that don't really know anything about what it takes to be and stay

healthy that want to know but there is alot of misinformation, and

some who don't really care because of preoccupation on other things,

and a variety of other reasons and situations. Some where in the

middle ground would probably be the most benificial.

 

If people knew what was healthy and what their bodies actually needed,

and what kinds of things it can handle that you might like once in a

while (I'm thinking something like cholcolate or some kind of sweets

that overall don't really have a big place in health, but that people

like). How to get some moderation, and what body types can use what

food for what conditions and situations, then there would be no need

for such debate or legeslation, because the people who were offering

poor products, or products that weren't healthy would simply go out of

business because because of lack of sales.

 

Sure that's not the only way to look at it, but IMPO with the system

that's set up as far as society and economics here in the States, this

is the one I like to emphasize =)

 

 

Chinese Traditional Medicine , " Carlos " <carlos wrote:

>

> We must analyze the roots of the tree and not the leaves so much.

Focusing

> on the marketing and funding of is where a tourniquet should be applied.

> However daunting this may be it can only exponentially improve the

choices

> we are choosing from.

>

>

>

> Milk in general I too much for the body- containing 400 proteins and

one of

> them casein from which America makes postal glue out of- Milk is not

> necessary. The litmus paper test for anyone should not be that they

have

> simply had it their whole life and that they are still standing.

Let us not

> forget how that it's takes many generations before some genetic

mutations

> are made manifest. Most of which are the subtle chronic " bad "

choices we

> are dealt by our own country.

[Guest guest]

I would like to see if any of these farms that are having milk collected from

them are organic farms or better yet certified humane dairy farms. How large of

a group of live stock are these farms and how do they go about milking the

animals (rotational milking heavy machine milking...) Yes there are ways of

taking care of these animals that would put us at great risk for contamination

of the bad bacteria. But there are many practices that do not add risk to

drinking raw milk.

 

The statement of pregnant women eating soft cheese and getting sick is one of

misinformation. I am a student midwife and I have never heard a midwife not tell

moms that there is a risk to eating soft cheese. We tell every client that it

would be a good idea to stay away from them because they ave a higher chance of

having bacteria that could cause them problems. That is for pasteurized or not.

SO who did not do their job and tell those women of the potential risks of

eating soft cheese.

 

Common seance is a big thing here. If you are going to drink it raw be smart

know the farm you are getting it from and if at all possible get it from those

who hand milk and are not a big operation. I know three people who have worked

at large dairy farms and every one of them said they would never drink the milk

from these farms because of the practice the farms use and it is those practices

that are the reason they have to pasteurize in the first place..

 

SO here is a big question why are they trying to tell every one they can't drink

raw milk instead of looking at the real problem of no accountability of large

farms to the products they are sending out. Why are we not creating laws that

make them treat their animals better and be sure the product they are creating

is at top quality???

 

Oh yea that's right it would cost Big Farma to much money to be accountable for

their job " )

Blessings

Sam

 

dar <dobbie606 wrote:

re: [live-food] Raw Milk in CA close to being banned

 

-the following may be an eye-opener for some:

cheers,

dar

 

 

June 25, 1999 - A LETTER TO THE WALL STREET JOURNAL

By Robert Cohen Executive Director

 

The Wall Street Journal published a letter from a raw

milk

advocate, Sally Fallon. That letter described

Fallon's

mistaken impression that unpasteurized milk is safer

than

the pasteurized version which most Americans drink.

Nothing

could be further from the truth. I decided to write a

letter to the Wall Street Journal, which follows. Will

they

print it? That remains to be seen.

 

LETTER TO WALL STREET JOURNAL

 

GOT BACTERIA?

 

Unpasteurized milk and dairy products contain

surprises for

milk producers, including dangerous bacteria, despite

the

claims made in Sally Fallon's June 17th WSJ letter.

 

When cows are milked, their body fluids are stored in

refrigerated bulk tanks while waiting for the trucks

to take

the milk to the processor. Many farmers drink the raw

unpasteurized milk produced on their farms and they

should

reconsider that practice.

 

The May 10, 1999 issue of HOARD'S DAIRYMAN, the dairy

industry magazine d to by 108,000 " insiders "

(dairy

farmers and milk producers), revealed that dangerous

bacteria are naturally present in milk. The Hoard's

article

revealed that scientists at South Dakota State

University

tested bulk tank milk from 131 dairy herds and found

that

32% of the samples contained one or more species of

pathogenic bacteria.

 

In addition, a survey of those farms revealed that on

60

percent of the surveyed farms, dad, mom and kids

consumed raw milk.

 

What were they drinking?

The study revealed the presence of

salmonella, listeria, campylobacter, yersinia, E.

coli, and

staphylococcus. Milk from hundreds of dairy farms are

usually mixed together and added to that carton of

milk sold in supermarkets.

 

Many bacteria are not killed by pasteurization.

Rod-shaped

bacteria form a " spore " at the first sign of heat

( " spore " is the Greek word for " seed " ). When the milk

cools, the

spore re-emerges into its original form.

________

 

FROM HER UDDER TO YOUR LIPS: THE RAW FACTS

 

RAW MILK

 

Los Angeles County has just completed a study on the

health risks from drinking raw milk. They've issued a

report. Here are some of the highlighlights/lowlights.

 

Health Risks

 

" Diseases which may be transmitted by micro-organisms

in raw milk or raw milk products include

salmonellosis,

campylobacteriosis, brucellosis, yersiniosis,

listeriosis,

staphylococcal enterotoxin poisoning, streptococcal

infections, tuberculosis and E. Coli 0157:H7

infection. "

 

In mid March, I will be debating raw milk advocate

Sally Fallon at the Toronto Total Health 2001

conference. Sally's web page:

 

http://www.realmilk.com

 

I'll be sure to give Sally a copy of a study that

appeared

in the journal Dairy Science (1999 Dec, 82:12). A

study

was performed in which raw milk samples from dairy

herds were tested. Here is what scientists found:

 

" Bulk tank milk from 131 dairy herds in eastern South

Dakota and western Minnesota were examined for

coliforms and noncoliform bacteria. Coliforms were

detected in 62.3% of bulk tank milk samples...

noncoliform

bacteria were observed in 76.3% of bulk tank milk. "

 

Drink raw milk and you're not the only one at risk.

The Los Angeles County report reveals:

 

" Although the initial impact of the disease is on the

individual

consumer, many pathogens may be transmitted from

person

to person, including to family members, and patrons of

restaurants if the individual is a food handler. The

fetus

of a pregnant woman may be at risk. Some of the

diseases

associated with the pathogens can lead to death,

particularly

among vulnerable persons. "

 

The Los Angeles County report cites Centers for

Disease

Control estimates that no more than one out of 20

cases

of food borne illness are reported to local health

departments. Such illnesses are epidemic in nature,

and

rarely reported by the media. Various examples of mass

milk poisonings were given in the L.A. study.

 

In 1985, an outbreak of listeria was linked to soft

cheese made from raw milk produced in Los Angeles

Of the 142 cases reported, 93 were in pregnant women

or their children. There were 48 deaths, including 20

fetuses.

 

Since 1973, 394 cases of salmonella have been

reported in Los Angeles County. Of these, 101 (25.6%)

were consumers of raw milk. Molecular fingerprinting

identified the strain of bacteria in ill persons as

the same as that found in raw milk samples.

 

Health Benefits of Raw Milk

 

A rigorous review of the medical and scientific

literature

by the L.A. County investigators found no studies

suggesting health benefits from consuming raw

cow's milk.

________

 

RABID FANS OF RAW MILK

 

A number of new rs to this list are big fans

of

drinking raw milk. Here are excerpts from a 1999

paper published in:

 

Morbidity and Mortality Weekly Report

(MMWR. 1999;48:228-229)

 

Mass Treatment of Humans Who Drank

Unpasteurized Milk From Rabid Cows

Massachusetts, 1996-1998

 

Rabies is a viral zoonosis that is usually transmitted

by

the bite of an infected mammal. However, in

Massachusetts,

two incidents have been reported since 1996 of

potential

mass exposures to rabies through drinking

unpasteurized

milk. This report presents the investigations of these

two

incidents.

 

Incident 1

 

On November 12, 1998, the Virology Laboratory of the

Massachusetts Department of Public Health (VLMDPH)

diagnosed rabies in a 6-year-old Holstein dairy cow

from

a farm in Worcester County. Further analysis of the

cow's

brain tissue with monoclonal antibodies revealed the

cow

was infected with a variant of the rabies virus

associated

with raccoons in the eastern United States.

 

The cow had been milked 12 times during the week

before

death. Milk from the cow had been pooled with milk

collected

from other cows, and an unpasteurized portion was

distributed for human consumption. Public health

investigations identified 66 persons who drank

unpasteurized

milk collected from this dairy during October

23-November

8.

All 66 received rabies inoculations.

 

Incident 2

 

On November 12, 1996, the VLMDPH diagnosed rabies in

a 14-year-old Jersey dairy cow from a different farm

in

Worcester County. Analysis with monoclonal antibodies

revealed the cow was infected with a variant of the

rabies

virus associated with raccoons in the eastern United

States.

 

An investigation identified 14 persons who drank

unpasteurized milk collected from this cow during this

period. All 14 persons received rabies injections.

____

 

The series of injections used to treat suspected cases

of

rabies costs an average of nearly $2400 per person.

 

The Center for Disease Control reports that there have

been an average of 150 rabid cattle cases each year

reported since 1990.

 

Pasteurization destroys rabies. Does raw milk sound

even less delicious than before?

 

If not, consider these 5 reasons NOT to drink raw

milk:

 

" ... curing alone (pasteurization) may not be a

sufficient

pathogen control step to eliminate Salmonella,

Listeria,

and E. coli O157:H7 from cheese. "

(Journal of Food Protein, 1998 Oct, 61:10)

 

" A drop of sour milk may contain more than 50 million

bacteria. "

(Modern Dairy Products, Third Edition Lincoln Lampert)

 

" Listeria organisms excreted in cow's milk escaped

pasteurization, grew well at refrigerator

temperatures,

and were ingested by consumers. "

(New England Journal of Medicine, 1985, 312, 7)

 

" Bulk tank milk from 131 dairy herds in eastern South

Dakota and western Minnesota were examined for

coliforms bacteria. Coliforms were detected in 62.3%

of bulk tank milk samples...

(Journal of Dairy Science, 1999 Dec, 82:12)

 

" Raw material from animals which are inadvertantly

contaminated with fecal matters during production will

carry antibiotic resistant lactic acid bacteria into

the

final

fermented products such as raw milk cheeses... "

(Journal of Antonie Van Leeuwenhoek, 1999 Jul, 76)

 

Robert Cohen author of: MILK A-Z

(201-871-5871)

Executive Director (notmilkman)

Dairy Education Board

http://www.notmilk.com

_______ " Domingo Pichardo " wrote:

 

Please disseminate to ALL Calif. residents that you

know who support

raw foods. Go to the link below print out the letter

and send to

Capitol asap.

 

http://www.westonaprice.org/federalupdate/aa2007/15nov07.html

 

<http://www.westonaprice.org/federalupdate/aa2007/15nov07.html>

 

Please note from Weston Price assoc.

 

Re- Legal Sale and Availability of Raw Milk ? Urgent

 

(Amendment to California Food and Ag. Code AB1735)

 

I would like to bring to your attention a very

deliberate and

deceitful attempt by a yet to be determined party to

effectively make

it illegal to sell raw milk in the State of

California. This is a

back door, no discussion allowed attack on the

longstanding freedom

preserved to consume live (raw) milk by the California

Food and

Agriculture Code #35928.

 

I am personally writing to you because I feel I

represent thousands of

your constituents that may be unaware of a significant

threat to our

access to one of the most unique and healthy products

that has been

sold and consumed for years without one problem.

 

Specifically, grass fed live (raw) milk provided by

such producers as

Organic Pastures provide the pure and unadulterated

nutrients that

have nourished countless of prior generations.

Moreover, my very

healthy wife and very healthy three children have

significantly

benefited from the nutrients only found available in

these products.

 

I believe you are in a unique position to offer your

support to a

product that not only has been consumed by tens of

thousands of

California consumers over the years, but provides

valuable income to

the retailers in the State of California. In fact, I

would encourage

you to call your local Whole Foods and learn that they

simply cannot

keep enough of Organic Pastures Raw Milk in stock (and

it sell for $16

per gallon!!!).

 

Additionally, Organic Pastures should be a poster

child for a

California company that is one of the few unsubsidized

dairies in the

nation that has used the free market to offer a

product that costs

200%-300% more than its competitors!

 

At its core, this is an issue of consumer choice and

access to an

irreplaceable nutritional and living product.

 

If we can buy alcohol, cigarettes, and over the

counter drugs with

simple disclaimers, why penalize an actual healthy

product that has a

flawless retail track record?

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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[Guest guest]

Let's be clear about one point! The issue is not that the US government

is dictating that it is not healthy to drink pasteurized milk(which may

not be for some people). What the local, State government is saying is

that it is not " safe " to drink RAW milk because of the possibility that

it may be contaminated with pathogens! So they are looking to approve

legislation to make it illegal in California. Its commercial sale has

been made already Illegal for many other states in USA! Since somebody

mentioned looking at the source for answers, keep in mind that not all

milk is created equal; where and how the cows are raised, whether the

milk is fresh(raw) or heated, all these variables make a lot of

difference in the healthfulness of the milk! At any rate, the root

question in this case should be " who really benefits from the CA raw

milk legislation? " IMO it is the powerful agricultural conglomerates in

their attempt to undermine their competition... the smaller, privately

owned local farms are sure to get screwed!

 

mrasmm wrote:

>

> I like this post =)

>

> I feel like more of the root should be sought after. What I feel is

> the root is personal education, and personal owning of the decision

> that results from the education. Go ahead and educate people and

> bring them aware to the information you have, but utlimately everyone

> has their own choice and needs to make it and feel good about it like

> it is in their best interest.

>

> I feel that there is too much polarity in how one is obtains health

> here in the United States. There are people that are basically health

> nuts (this isn't always over the top of course (especially if TCM

> teaches us anything), because some people have to be because of the

> conditions they have in order to get along), and then there are alot

> that don't really know anything about what it takes to be and stay

> healthy that want to know but there is alot of misinformation, and

> some who don't really care because of preoccupation on other things,

> and a variety of other reasons and situations. Some where in the

> middle ground would probably be the most benificial.

>

> If people knew what was healthy and what their bodies actually needed,

> and what kinds of things it can handle that you might like once in a

> while (I'm thinking something like cholcolate or some kind of sweets

> that overall don't really have a big place in health, but that people

> like). How to get some moderation, and what body types can use what

> food for what conditions and situations, then there would be no need

> for such debate or legeslation, because the people who were offering

> poor products, or products that weren't healthy would simply go out of

> business because because of lack of sales.

>

> Sure that's not the only way to look at it, but IMPO with the system

> that's set up as far as society and economics here in the States, this

> is the one I like to emphasize =)

>

> Chinese Traditional Medicine

> <Chinese Traditional Medicine%40>, " Carlos " <carlos wrote:

> >

> > We must analyze the roots of the tree and not the leaves so much.

> Focusing

> > on the marketing and funding of is where a tourniquet should be applied.

> > However daunting this may be it can only exponentially improve the

> choices

> > we are choosing from.

> >

> >

> >

> > Milk in general I too much for the body- containing 400 proteins and

> one of

> > them casein from which America makes postal glue out of- Milk is not

> > necessary. The litmus paper test for anyone should not be that they

> have

> > simply had it their whole life and that they are still standing.

> Let us not

> > forget how that it's takes many generations before some genetic

> mutations

> > are made manifest. Most of which are the subtle chronic " bad "

> choices we

> > are dealt by our own country.

>

>

 

 

 

[Guest guest]

Chinese Traditional Medicine , " Carlos " <carlos wrote:

>

> Milk is not

> necessary. The litmus paper test for anyone should not be that

they have

> simply had it their whole life and that they are still standing.

 

I disagree with the implication of this.

 

There are many people throughout the world for whom milk is not a

healthy food. There are others for whom it's a very healthy food and

could be said to be necessary because it has something in a form that

particular people need.

 

My husband is one of those people. He does a lot better when a lot of

dairy - including milk - is included in his diet than when it isn't.

On the other hand, I have to limit dairy. A limited amount can be

helpful to me, but a lot can hurt.

 

At one time I couldn't tolerate any dairy in any form. I got over

that.

 

Victoria

[Guest guest]

True. Since no two people are exactly the same, I would agree that there

are always going to be " special " cases in every department. The statement

was broad for it's intended application. Also I am referring particularly

to the US diet.

 

 

 

[im sure there might be something missing, to solve your husbands " case " to

exactly why such a condition would need to be met. Quite often we are all

juggling " better of two evils " , and/or there is a factor that takes years

and years to unravel.]

 

 

 

-c

 

_____

 

Chinese Traditional Medicine [Chinese Traditional Medicine ]

On Behalf Of victoria_dragon

Friday, November 23, 2007 7:23 AM

Chinese Traditional Medicine

[Chinese Traditional Medicine] Re:live-food Raw Milk in CA close to being banned

 

 

 

Chinese Traditional Medicine@ <Chinese Traditional Medicine%40>

, " Carlos " <carlos wrote:

>

> Milk is not

> necessary. The litmus paper test for anyone should not be that

they have

> simply had it their whole life and that they are still standing.

 

I disagree with the implication of this.

 

There are many people throughout the world for whom milk is not a

healthy food. There are others for whom it's a very healthy food and

could be said to be necessary because it has something in a form that

particular people need.

 

My husband is one of those people. He does a lot better when a lot of

dairy - including milk - is included in his diet than when it isn't.

On the other hand, I have to limit dairy. A limited amount can be

helpful to me, but a lot can hurt.

 

At one time I couldn't tolerate any dairy in any form. I got over

that.

 

Victoria

 

 

 

 

 

 

[Guest guest]

Chinese Traditional Medicine , " Carlos " <carlos wrote:

>

 

> [im sure there might be something missing, to solve your

husbands " case " to

> exactly why such a condition would need to be met. Quite often we

are all

> juggling " better of two evils " , and/or there is a factor that takes

years

> and years to unravel.]

 

The factor in his case (and others) is genetics. He's one of the people

of northern European ancestory who is genetically programmed for milk

and dairy. In his case (and that of others) it's not a matter of

the " better of two evils " , but of milk being a healthy food for him.

 

Not all people of northern European ancestory is like this. For

example, I'm not. A little bit for me helps, but more is unhealthy. For

some people any is unhealthy. It varies.

 

Some people are poisoned by fava beans; for others fava beans is a

healthy food. Etc.

 

There are no one-size-fits-all diets.

 

Victoria

[Guest guest]

One-size-fits all diets are an obvious mistake. Here, I am no longer

referring to your husbands case. I would assume that you both are quite

adept about the milk product you would consume. However, most of America is

not exactly there. It perplexes me, that standard milk (not local organic

higher-end milk) which contains casein and other glue-like compounds,

hormones (RBGH), could possibly be " highly beneficial " to anyone (especially

children). And that only slightly encompasses the physical characteristics

of the fluid. (Energetic characteristics would be another page).

 

 

 

By this we might be choosing the better of two evils. Only because we can

not assume we have a perfect handle on how to balance every imbalance, it

takes experimentation I would think. In other words Milk does solve a

problem for some while creating issues for others, but that is not to say

there are other ingredients that mimic if not replace the recipe for

balance. It might be a slight variation of something in the same family

that is actually BETTER for a human body. An example of this would be goats

milk. Milk is highly acid forming, setting the stage for basically any

issue. Goats milk is predominantly alkaline and simply put: better for

human consumption

 

 

 

Similar in topic

 

Genetically we are a product of those who went before us. Some even argue

that we are in more control over the genetic expression of our genes that we

so blindly accept from our " doctors " offices. Bruce Lipton who wrote

" Biology of Belief " makes very impressive arguments about how cells respond

to energetic fields (brain). Assuming that the reader can accept the

understanding of quantum physics and how it correlates to our biological

manifestation, one could really change the expression of their genes. (not

change their genes). Check it out sometime it will surprise you.

 

 

 

 

 

_____

 

Chinese Traditional Medicine [Chinese Traditional Medicine ]

On Behalf Of victoria_dragon

Tuesday, November 27, 2007 4:33 PM

Chinese Traditional Medicine

[Chinese Traditional Medicine] Re:live-food Raw Milk in CA close to being banned

 

 

 

Chinese Traditional Medicine@ <Chinese Traditional Medicine%40>

, " Carlos " <carlos wrote:

>

 

> [im sure there might be something missing, to solve your

husbands " case " to

> exactly why such a condition would need to be met. Quite often we

are all

> juggling " better of two evils " , and/or there is a factor that takes

years

> and years to unravel.]

 

The factor in his case (and others) is genetics. He's one of the people

of northern European ancestory who is genetically programmed for milk

and dairy. In his case (and that of others) it's not a matter of

the " better of two evils " , but of milk being a healthy food for him.

 

Not all people of northern European ancestory is like this. For

example, I'm not. A little bit for me helps, but more is unhealthy. For

some people any is unhealthy. It varies.

 

Some people are poisoned by fava beans; for others fava beans is a

healthy food. Etc.

 

There are no one-size-fits-all diets.

 

Victoria

 

 

 

 

 

 

[Guest guest]

Carlos,

 

I pretty much agree with all your comments/observations! In an ideal

World those in positions of power to regulate the food supply would base

their laws on the principles that you have elucidated! However, in

practice, prejudice, corruption, self interest influence their judgment!

 

Since we are talking about food and you mentioned that cow milk is

" acid " forming and goat milk is " alkalizing " , I just want to comment

that this whole issue of the acid/alkaline effect of food is a lot more

complicated than what people who advocate it care to admit! My opinion

is that there are cultural/genetic variables involved that determine our

ability to digest/assimilate foods in general. One important Taoist

principle that Victoria alluded to is the idea of not over eating(eat

not to satiety but leave stomach 1/4 empty) and I would add to that the

importance of adhering to the rule of Trophology for milk:

 

*THE RULE:* Eliminate pasteurized and homogenized milk entirely from

your diet. If raw certified milk is available consume it as a whole food

in itself, not in combination with other foods.

 

If you are interested in this subject of food combining as it pertains

to milk you can look here for Daniel Reed's take on it!

 

http://www.hps-online.com/troph9.htm?PHPSESSID=1ef30cfd103c6a56f823cc1e532271cb

 

Domingo

 

Carlos wrote:

>

> One-size-fits all diets are an obvious mistake. Here, I am no longer

> referring to your husbands case. I would assume that you both are quite

> adept about the milk product you would consume. However, most of

> America is

> not exactly there. It perplexes me, that standard milk (not local organic

> higher-end milk) which contains casein and other glue-like compounds,

> hormones (RBGH), could possibly be " highly beneficial " to anyone

> (especially

> children). And that only slightly encompasses the physical characteristics

> of the fluid. (Energetic characteristics would be another page).

>

> By this we might be choosing the better of two evils. Only because we can

> not assume we have a perfect handle on how to balance every imbalance, it

> takes experimentation I would think. In other words Milk does solve a

> problem for some while creating issues for others, but that is not to say

> there are other ingredients that mimic if not replace the recipe for

> balance. It might be a slight variation of something in the same family

> that is actually BETTER for a human body. An example of this would be

> goats

> milk. Milk is highly acid forming, setting the stage for basically any

> issue. Goats milk is predominantly alkaline and simply put: better for

> human consumption

>

> Similar in topic

>

> Genetically we are a product of those who went before us. Some even argue

> that we are in more control over the genetic expression of our genes

> that we

> so blindly accept from our " doctors " offices. Bruce Lipton who wrote

> " Biology of Belief " makes very impressive arguments about how cells

> respond

> to energetic fields (brain). Assuming that the reader can accept the

> understanding of quantum physics and how it correlates to our biological

> manifestation, one could really change the expression of their genes. (not

> change their genes). Check it out sometime it will surprise you.

>

> _____

>

> Chinese Traditional Medicine

> <Chinese Traditional Medicine%40>

> [Chinese Traditional Medicine

> <Chinese Traditional Medicine%40>]

> On Behalf Of victoria_dragon

> Tuesday, November 27, 2007 4:33 PM

> Chinese Traditional Medicine

> <Chinese Traditional Medicine%40>

> [Chinese Traditional Medicine] Re:live-food Raw Milk in CA close to being

> banned

>

> Chinese Traditional Medicine@ <Chinese Traditional Medicine%40>

> , " Carlos " <carlos wrote:

> >

>

> > [im sure there might be something missing, to solve your

> husbands " case " to

> > exactly why such a condition would need to be met. Quite often we

> are all

> > juggling " better of two evils " , and/or there is a factor that takes

> years

> > and years to unravel.]

>

> The factor in his case (and others) is genetics. He's one of the people

> of northern European ancestory who is genetically programmed for milk

> and dairy. In his case (and that of others) it's not a matter of

> the " better of two evils " , but of milk being a healthy food for him.

>

> Not all people of northern European ancestory is like this. For

> example, I'm not. A little bit for me helps, but more is unhealthy. For

> some people any is unhealthy. It varies.

>

> Some people are poisoned by fava beans; for others fava beans is a

> healthy food. Etc.

>

> There are no one-size-fits-all diets.

>

> Victoria

>

>

[Guest guest]

Great points Domingo!

 

 

 

Unfortunately yes, power runs it all and we must tread water. Thankfully

power changes hands to the highest bidder, while an individuals

responsibility to themselves does not.

 

 

 

Indeed pH is a difficult and unique beam to balance on for each person.

However, following in the findings of the great Daniel Reed, he argues in

his book, “The Tao of Detox”, that [proper] pH and oxygenation are the two

most basic and fundamental factors for the prevention of practically all

disease. Secondly, when abandoned chronically we potentially catapult

ourselves into long-term degeneration, only to be masked by a plethora of

symptoms that solicit our recent or short-term practices.

 

 

 

The “properness” should not be as difficult as solving a rubix cube with our

feet! Offering the jing-yi the slightly alkaline properties it requires

form day to day (about 7.4 for blood) seems to be challenging for most

people. Cow milk certainly runs us in the opposite direction. So to agree

with you, such substances must be understood as part of the balancing act

under the umbrella of these two critical factors.

 

 

 

Quick to rebuttal are those who defend the victimization by genetic

predisposition. I like to think that Daniel indirectly reminds us that

these genetic dispositions are greatly influenced by generations of chronic

naivety. (Almost puts a cap on those who say “ well my great grandmother

always drank this, and my mother did too and so do I, and were all ok”.

Yet cancer, arterial sclerosis, osteo…, dental caries, and now nervous

system issues (post-war & heavily vaccinated generations), all thrive at an

alarming rate. Hmm.

 

 

 

Utopist, and quite an impossible reality would be a practitioner capable of

analyzing those two fundamental factors from their roots. Through the

ancestry of offspring leading to the patient. This is why we are ALL

responsible to constantly experiment with alternatives to improve our

“conditions” as to take initiative on what we can’t assume as “ok” for the

long-term.

 

 

 

After all …we must surely love our family that has not come into existence

yet…

 

The problem is that it is not as convenient as we would all like it to be.

 

 

 

 

 

_____

 

Chinese Traditional Medicine [Chinese Traditional Medicine ]

On Behalf Of Domingo Pichardo

Wednesday, November 28, 2007 8:56 AM

Chinese Traditional Medicine

Re: [Chinese Traditional Medicine] Re:live-food Raw Milk in CA close to being

banned

 

 

 

Carlos,

 

I pretty much agree with all your comments/observations! In an ideal

World those in positions of power to regulate the food supply would base

their laws on the principles that you have elucidated! However, in

practice, prejudice, corruption, self interest influence their judgment!

 

Since we are talking about food and you mentioned that cow milk is

" acid " forming and goat milk is " alkalizing " , I just want to comment

that this whole issue of the acid/alkaline effect of food is a lot more

complicated than what people who advocate it care to admit! My opinion

is that there are cultural/genetic variables involved that determine our

ability to digest/assimilate foods in general. One important Taoist

principle that Victoria alluded to is the idea of not over eating(eat

not to satiety but leave stomach 1/4 empty) and I would add to that the

importance of adhering to the rule of Trophology for milk:

 

*THE RULE:* Eliminate pasteurized and homogenized milk entirely from

your diet. If raw certified milk is available consume it as a whole food

in itself, not in combination with other foods.

 

If you are interested in this subject of food combining as it pertains

to milk you can look here for Daniel Reed's take on it!

 

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Domingo

 

Carlos wrote:

>

> One-size-fits all diets are an obvious mistake. Here, I am no longer

> referring to your husbands case. I would assume that you both are quite

> adept about the milk product you would consume. However, most of

> America is

> not exactly there. It perplexes me, that standard milk (not local organic

> higher-end milk) which contains casein and other glue-like compounds,

> hormones (RBGH), could possibly be " highly beneficial " to anyone

> (especially

> children). And that only slightly encompasses the physical characteristics

> of the fluid. (Energetic characteristics would be another page).

>

> By this we might be choosing the better of two evils. Only because we can

> not assume we have a perfect handle on how to balance every imbalance, it

> takes experimentation I would think. In other words Milk does solve a

> problem for some while creating issues for others, but that is not to say

> there are other ingredients that mimic if not replace the recipe for

> balance. It might be a slight variation of something in the same family

> that is actually BETTER for a human body. An example of this would be

> goats

> milk. Milk is highly acid forming, setting the stage for basically any

> issue. Goats milk is predominantly alkaline and simply put: better for

> human consumption

>

> Similar in topic

>

> Genetically we are a product of those who went before us. Some even argue

> that we are in more control over the genetic expression of our genes

> that we

> so blindly accept from our " doctors " offices. Bruce Lipton who wrote

> " Biology of Belief " makes very impressive arguments about how cells

> respond

> to energetic fields (brain). Assuming that the reader can accept the

> understanding of quantum physics and how it correlates to our biological

> manifestation, one could really change the expression of their genes. (not

> change their genes). Check it out sometime it will surprise you.

>

> _____

>

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> On Behalf Of victoria_dragon

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> [Chinese Traditional Medicine] Re:live-food Raw Milk in CA close to being

> banned

>

> Chinese Traditional Medicine@ <Chinese Traditional Medicine%40>

> , " Carlos " <carlos wrote:

> >

>

> > [im sure there might be something missing, to solve your

> husbands " case " to

> > exactly why such a condition would need to be met. Quite often we

> are all

> > juggling " better of two evils " , and/or there is a factor that takes

> years

> > and years to unravel.]

>

> The factor in his case (and others) is genetics. He's one of the people

> of northern European ancestory who is genetically programmed for milk

> and dairy. In his case (and that of others) it's not a matter of

> the " better of two evils " , but of milk being a healthy food for him.

>

> Not all people of northern European ancestory is like this. For

> example, I'm not. A little bit for me helps, but more is unhealthy. For

> some people any is unhealthy. It varies.

>

> Some people are poisoned by fava beans; for others fava beans is a

> healthy food. Etc.

>

> There are no one-size-fits-all diets.

>

> Victoria

>

>