Look for herbal tea for diabetes

October 21, 2007

Hello there,

I have a freind who has diabetes. I wonder if there is any herbal tea

which help diabetic patients finght the disease. What are most

effective (or popular) herbs for this purpose? Any Chinese herb works

for diabetes?

Thank you.

Young

October 21, 2007

there are alot but they are under wasting and thirsting disorders, diabetes is

not a chinese medicine diagnosis. Look in Benskys formulary book

yzhu7 <yzhu7 wrote: Hello there,

I have a freind who has diabetes. I wonder if there is any herbal tea

which help diabetic patients finght the disease. What are most

effective (or popular) herbs for this purpose? Any Chinese herb works

for diabetes?

Thank you.

Young

Where there is pain there is stagnation of qi and if there is no pain then

there is no qi stagnation

October 21, 2007

Chinese Traditional Medicine , " yzhu7 " <yzhu7 wrote:

>

> Hello there,

>

> I have a freind who has diabetes. I wonder if there is any herbal tea

> which help diabetic patients finght the disease. What are most

> effective (or popular) herbs for this purpose? Any Chinese herb works

> for diabetes?

There are no one-size-fits-all treatments via TCM for what is called

diabetes in allopathic medicine. What gets treated in TCM are TCM

imbalances. Like just about every other allopathic-defined medical

condition, diabetes can have one or more of several different

imbalances underlying it. Your friend will need to see a TCM healer to

determine which TCM imbalances are present in his/her case. Treatment

will vary according to which patterns are present. Because the

underlying TCM patterns can differ, what helps one diabetic may do

nothing for a second and may even make a third sicker.

In the traditional literature, most (not all) cases of diabetes fall

under the broad category of Xiao Ke - " flowing away and thirst " , or as

it usually is translated today, " wasting and thirsting " . Note: Not all

cases of diabetes fall under the " wasting and thirsting " category, and

not all " wasting and thirsting " diseases are diabetes.

" Chinese and Western clinicians often refer to the three main symptoms

of diabetes as the 'three polys.' These are polyphagia, meaning

excessive eating, polydipsia, meaning excessive drinking, and polyuria,

meaning excessive urination. " (Controlling Diabetes Naturally with

, Lynn M. Kuchinski, p. 55.)

The Chinese go a step further and look at diabetes in terms of

the " three burners " , aka " three heaters " . In these cases the

term " burner " or " heater " refers in general to 3 areas of the body.

" The Upper Burner " refers to everything above the diaphragm - the Heart

and Lungs in particular. The term " Middle Burner " refers to the area

between the diaphragm and the navel. In the case of diabetes, the

Stomach and the Spleen in particular. The " Lower Burner " refers to

everything below the navel, in particular to the Kidneys in the case of

diabetes.

Depending on which symptoms - in particular which " poly " or " polys "

predominate, the Chinese will refer to " Upper Wasting, Middle Wasting,

and/or Lower Wasting " .

" In Chinese medicine, polyphagia is related to the stomach, polydipsia

is related to the lungs, and polyuria is related to the kidneys. So

polyphagia characterizes middle wasting, polydipsia characterizes upper

wasting, and polyuria characterizes lower wasting. " (p. 55.)

Complicating the clinical picture is that one or more of several other

imbalances may also be present in addition to the above broad

categories. Kuchinski lists 13 of the more common ones. A proper TCM

diagnosis will involve identifying every pattern that is present and

basing treatment upon which are present in the individual.

Your friend might be interested in reading the Controlling Diabetes

Naturally with book or one similar to it. Like all of

the Blue Poppy books in the Curing/ Controlling series, they're written

for people with little or no knowledge of TCM.

Some additional info: " Most modern Chinese clinicians agree that

without some kind of evil heat, there is no diabetes. " (p. 55.)

The modern Chinese call diabetes mellitus (Greek and Latin for " flowing

through " and honey - describes the excessive urination and the sweet

smell and taste of the urine) - is called " Sugar Urine Disease " (tang

niao bing) in modern China. (p. 37.)

October 22, 2007

One very popular home remedy for Diabetes in India is Karela (bitter melon). It

is available in East Indian grocery stores. It is a vegetable. You can boil it

and eat whole of it including water.

Atul

yzhu7 <yzhu7 wrote: Hello there,

I have a freind who has diabetes. I wonder if there is any herbal tea

which help diabetic patients finght the disease. What are most

effective (or popular) herbs for this purpose? Any Chinese herb works

for diabetes?

Thank you.

Young

October 22, 2007

Chinese Traditional Medicine , tulu 489 <tulu489 wrote:

>

> One very popular home remedy for Diabetes in India is Karela (bitter

melon). It is available in East Indian grocery stores. It is a

vegetable. You can boil it and eat whole of it including water.

>

> Atul

>

Karela is an excellent herb for high blood sugar - it is also

available in Chinese markets it is called ku gua -

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bitter_melon - I feel it is best to drink

the fresh juice of this vegetable two or three times a day- it is also

available dehydrated and as an extract- it is extremely bitter and can

be taken with great benefit with meals to help control a sugar

'spike'but keep in mind that it is a very bitter herb and can cause

cold symptoms if taken for long time especially if the blood sugar is

not high - it is best taken only when needed meaning when the blood

sugar is high - it acts as a type of antidote to the excess sugar and

is not curative it is pallative there are many traditional dishes

using this vegetable but taking it in that way is not as helpful

becuase some of the bitterness will have been reduced and therfore it

is less effective. Another traditional herb is fenugreek (Methi)- take

a teaspoon of the ground seeds in 1/2 cup of hot water 30 minutes

before meals. A new product that has come on the market in the last

few years is one developed by Dr.Lian Jin Chong - Yu Xiao San 8805 -

this formula has a very unique concept and has gotten much

international attention - it works to stimulate Beta cells in the

Pancreas as well as to reset the Insulin receptor sites in the

mitochondria - it is different from most traditional approachs to

sugar metabolism problems - it is a modern use of herbs based on

modern theories of Insulin Resistance in type two diabetes therefore

is more widely useful than some traditional formulas that are used for

particulaar TCM patterns and should be prescribed by a proffesional -

as Victoria has mentioned.

Since a diet of excess rapidly digesting carbohydrates, lethargic

lifestyle, and low fiber diet is the immediate cause of type two

diabetes then the resolution of this disease is obvious. I have

written here several times about the type of diet necessary to resolve

this disease - I personally have seen many cases of resolved type two

diabetes - it is not difficult to do in fact it is simply a matter of

does one have the will power necessary to follow the regime - if so

this disease is 100% manageable. New or mild cases can be resolved

within two weeks if the protocol is carefully (!!! there is no chance

of doing this half way) followed - after the Insulin Resistance is

resolved one can maintain normal blood sugars even if one eats a few

rapidly digesting carbs - but the practice of eating sugar and honey

sweets and white flour products reguarly must be abandoned. The role

of exercise and fiber in this disease can not be overemphasised. There

are many books written on the subject in recent years. Resolving type

two diabetes is very important since excess circulating sugar and

Insulin are major players in the development of many of the most

serious disease processes of modern people. VK

October 23, 2007

I didn't even think of this until Dr Vinod mentioned diet, but I've

been reading a book called the china study. It actually doesn't have

much of anything to do with chinese medicine, but is western medicine

studying the emporers western medical studies of the Chinese nation.

Basically if I remember right he came down with cancer and employed a

hudge amount of people (6500 if I remember right), to go out into the

country and gather a whole bunch of medical studies and try to find

some info (this was done in the 60's I think). This is the biggest

medical stufy ever done. Anyways a few people from the US were

granted the privelage to go over the info and this guy (T Collin

Campell, a medical researcher for the NIH) was one of them and he

wrote a book on it. Anyways there is some good info in the book,

although I definately would not completely rely on it, just about like

any other medical point of view or book, but rather look at it as

adding a different view to the picture or bringing another dish to the

banquet or however you look at it =)

Anyways, I'm bringing this up because of the powerful impact on

diabetes with diet that is even recognised by western medicine.

Sometimes it can be hard to convince western medicine that such things

matter, so the evidence has to be pretty compelling if they will jump

on board. The info starts on page 151, and it talks about the Dr

James Anderson diet (not that he's come up with something original in

his diet, but it should be easier to google it and get some good info

that you can follow). Here are the results of his plan. Type 1

diabetes, after 3 weeks on the diet patients were able to lower their

medication by 40%, cholesterol dropped by 30% (diabetes increases

chance for heartattack and stroke, and so does cholesterol, so it has

a double effect).

Type 2 diabetes 25 people enrolled, after 3 weeks of the diet 24 were

able to completly stop medication. The one who was not able to stop

his medication had diabetes for 21 years and taking 35 units of

insulin per day, after the 3 weeks he was down to 8 units per day, and

after an additional 8 weeks (so 11 total), he was able to go off of

his insulin.

One other note, on a different stufy that compared lifestyle changes

to drugs found that the simple diet changed (not this really

regimented one) reduced the cases of diabetes by 58% compared to 31%

with medication, which basically says lifestyle is more important and

more benificial than drugs (in this case just shy of double), which is

what anyone on here will tell you =)

The Anderson diet is also able to lower an average of 32% cholesterol

in 2 weeks amoung all the patients entered (about 50 if I remember

right). 206mg/dL to 141mg/dL. Average insulin at the start of the

program was about 28 units per day, and ended up about 16 units for

the type 1 and about 4 or 5 units for the type 2.

The diet overall is a high fiber high carb low fat plant based diet.

This study was carried out in hospital conditions (so good

compliance). He says ideally to shoot for 70g of fiber a day, and 70%

of calories from carbs and only a max of two ounces of meat per day.

That's all just data, which has it's place, but it's not everything.

If you want to read more about it I'm sure you can google it and find

some good articles that will get you started if you're interested.

I'm also sure that this diet is not for everyone, but as an overall

general rule it does look promising for patients with a western

diagnosis of diabetes. Also this study does have it's limitation,

because it's kinda small as far as sample size, and is done in a

hospital setting, so you have very good compliance. Alot of what can

cause diabetes is lack of control in diet as compared to the general

population, which makes it even harder for them to stick to a very

regimented diet, so that also has it's place.

I just thought I would mention it since it's been something I've been

reading lately.

Chinese Traditional Medicine , " Vinod Kumar " <vinod3x3 wrote:

> Karela is an excellent herb for high blood sugar - it is also

> available in Chinese markets it is called ku gua -

> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bitter_melon - I feel it is best to drink

> the fresh juice of this vegetable two or three times a day- it is also

> available dehydrated and as an extract- it is extremely bitter and can

> be taken with great benefit with meals to help control a sugar

> 'spike'but keep in mind that it is a very bitter herb and can cause

> cold symptoms if taken for long time especially if the blood sugar is

> not high - it is best taken only when needed meaning when the blood

> sugar is high - it acts as a type of antidote to the excess sugar and

> is not curative it is pallative there are many traditional dishes

> using this vegetable but taking it in that way is not as helpful

> becuase some of the bitterness will have been reduced and therfore it

> is less effective. Another traditional herb is fenugreek (Methi)- take

> a teaspoon of the ground seeds in 1/2 cup of hot water 30 minutes

> before meals. A new product that has come on the market in the last

> few years is one developed by Dr.Lian Jin Chong - Yu Xiao San 8805 -

> this formula has a very unique concept and has gotten much

> international attention - it works to stimulate Beta cells in the

> Pancreas as well as to reset the Insulin receptor sites in the

> mitochondria - it is different from most traditional approachs to

> sugar metabolism problems - it is a modern use of herbs based on

> modern theories of Insulin Resistance in type two diabetes therefore

> is more widely useful than some traditional formulas that are used for

> particulaar TCM patterns and should be prescribed by a proffesional -

> as Victoria has mentioned.

>

> Since a diet of excess rapidly digesting carbohydrates, lethargic

> lifestyle, and low fiber diet is the immediate cause of type two

> diabetes then the resolution of this disease is obvious. I have

> written here several times about the type of diet necessary to resolve

> this disease - I personally have seen many cases of resolved type two

> diabetes - it is not difficult to do in fact it is simply a matter of

> does one have the will power necessary to follow the regime - if so

> this disease is 100% manageable. New or mild cases can be resolved

> within two weeks if the protocol is carefully (!!! there is no chance

> of doing this half way) followed - after the Insulin Resistance is

> resolved one can maintain normal blood sugars even if one eats a few

> rapidly digesting carbs - but the practice of eating sugar and honey

> sweets and white flour products reguarly must be abandoned. The role

> of exercise and fiber in this disease can not be overemphasised. There

> are many books written on the subject in recent years. Resolving type

> two diabetes is very important since excess circulating sugar and

> Insulin are major players in the development of many of the most

> serious disease processes of modern people. VK

>

October 23, 2007

here is one such link

http://www.ext.colostate.edu/Pubs/foodnut/09334.html

October 23, 2007

Chinese Traditional Medicine , " mrasmm " <mrasmm wrote:

>

> I didn't even think of this until Dr Vinod mentioned diet, but I've

> been reading a book called the china study. It actually doesn't have

The two Insulin Resistance diets I often reccomend for modern western

people who I percieve are not able or willing to radically change

their diet are -

Dr Anderson's HCF Diet - by Dr James Anderson

The South Beach Diet - by Arthur Agatston

The Anderson diet is a very main stream diet, it is reccomended by

many famous institutions like the Mayo Clinic - it is a high natural

carbohydrate diet and high fiber - this diet is very effective in

breaking Insulin Resistance. The Agatston diet works faster - it is a

diet that in the first few weeks is extremely effecient at breaking

Insulin Resistance and achieves it in short period of time - it cuts

out almost all carbohydrates in the first few weeks - one avoids all

carbs that have a glycemic index figure above 50. For non vegetarians

the fastest way to break Insulin Resistance is to eat proteins and

vegetables (excluding high glycemic vegetables like potatoes and

carrots for a few weeks. Once Insulin Resistance is broken it will not

return unless one goes back to eating high glycemic foods like sugar,

honey, and white flour products - one can even go back to bread (whole

wheat) and potatoes (always eaten with some protein and fat). The

secret to keeping blood sugar steady is to make sure that one eats

carbs along with some protein and fat - also fiber also acts to slow

digestion creating a more steady blood sugar - exercise also heps with

this.

Please keep in mind that the disease I am reffering to is type 2

diabetes (adult onset dibetes- Non Insulin Dependent Diabetes -

Insulin Resitance - Syndrome X - Metabolic Syndrome)not type 1

diabetes - although these types of diet are helpful for patients of

type 1 diabetes - but of course these diets do not cure type 1 diabetes.

Dr VK

October 24, 2007

That was interesting thanks

Vinod Kumar

Tuesday, October 23, 2007 2:11 PM

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