Guest guest Posted July 17, 2007 Report Share Posted July 17, 2007 Hi there, I was wondering if anyone would kindly be able to shed more light on the following case: A person has been on noratryptaline for over 6 or 7 months - but has now given it up completely. She was taking it because she had pain in her vaginal area - which since going off the drugs, has been getting better (as she has been working on deeper aspects of her life) - however - she currently has neck pain, general joint pain - and they are swollen and cold. She gets really stiff if she stays in one position for too long and has to move around .She wakes up feeling 'toxicated/bunged up' and needs coffee to get the day started. She does not currently suffer from asthma - though she holds a history of it in her life. I was wondering that this all points to the metal imbalance - where her joints-bones are affected (arthiritic in allopathic terms), and the vulvul pain simply implies stagnant blood issue - exterior condition. The person maintains that her joint pains are as a result of the drug/toxins accumulating in her body. Is it possible that both perspectives are true - that the toxins are expressing themselves as a metal imbalance?? Hope to hear from you soon. kindest regards Jinat Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 26, 2007 Report Share Posted July 26, 2007 I've noticed that you haven't received an answer yet, Jinat, unless someone wrote you privately. I really know little about TCM but was struck by how many of her symptoms are similar to my own, though not all. Each case is individual. I know nothing about toxins accumulating in her joints but can address a bit of how some other systems affect joints. Painful joints & forms of arthritis are classed as Bi syndrome. There are many variations depending on symptoms & what Organs are affected. With the description you give, it sounds like fixed or Stubborn BI symdrome that can arise from Kidney yin deficiency. It also involved the Liver since these two Organs work balance each other. It may be more than just Stubborn Bi syndrome but you really need to have your friend seen by a good TCM doctor who uses both herbs & acupuncture. My explanation is very basic & much more can be explained but I'm trying to get this discussion started here. I'd say coffee is the worse thing for her to take now but I may be wrong. Coffee isn't bad for all but for those with weak Kidney yin, it's not good. Weak Kidney yin can show as stiff painful joints, not of an acute nature but chronic pain & stiffness that improves with warmth & movement (even if it doesn't go away, some improvement should show). When the flow of Qi is affected, stagnation can occur & it's possible that toxins can accumulate in various parts of the body. This is just a guess on my part & I really hope others more knowledgeable chime in with more information for you. Here's a quote from one TCM site: " Arthritis due to Liver & Kidney Yin deficiency or Stubborn (fixed) Bi " Symptoms: - Chronic onset, dull pain around small joints with stiffness - Swelling, could be red and hot, deformity - Night sweats, 5-palm heat, low grade fever, fatigue, thirsty - Cold extremities, edema of lower extremities, incontinence - Dizziness, tinnitus, vertigo Tongue: - Bbody thin and small, red, could be pale-swollen with teeth marks, yellow coat, peeled coat; dry or wet greasy white or yellow. - Pulse is thin, weak & deep, could be slow or fast Treatment Principle: - Strengthen Liver & Kidney, Tonify joints and ligaments - Promote Qi & Blood circulation, remove pathogens, alleviate pain (from - http://www.risinglotus.net/arthritis.html There's more on this site if you want to check.) Not all symptoms may be the same. I don't have a number of them but my diagnosis is Kidney Yin deficiency so treatment is similar to that given. Judy On Tuesday 17 July 2007 8:39:18 am icosage wrote: > Hi there, > > I was wondering if anyone would kindly be able to shed more light on > the following case: > > A person has been on noratryptaline for over 6 or 7 months - but has > now given it up completely. She was taking it because she had pain in > her vaginal area - which since going off the drugs, has been getting > better (as she has been working on deeper aspects of her life) - > however - she currently has neck pain, general joint pain - and they > are swollen and cold. She gets really stiff if she stays in one > position for too long and has to move around .She wakes up > feeling 'toxicated/bunged up' and needs coffee to get the day started. > > She does not currently suffer from asthma - though she holds a > history of it in her life. > > I was wondering that this all points to the metal imbalance - where > her joints-bones are affected (arthiritic in allopathic terms), and > the vulvul pain simply implies stagnant blood issue - exterior > condition. > > The person maintains that her joint pains are as a result of the > drug/toxins accumulating in her body. > > Is it possible that both perspectives are true - that the toxins are > expressing themselves as a metal imbalance?? > > > Hope to hear from you soon. > > kindest regards > Jinat Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 27, 2007 Report Share Posted July 27, 2007 I don't know this lady at all so it is impossible to give an accurate diagnosis or treatment. However, I can share my own experience. A lot of Chronic Arthritis conditions start from Severe Stress, Saddness or Depression. 10 years ago my father died & I nearly hit rock bottom, ( the reasons are another story ), about six months later I started to develop Arthritis. To cut a long story short, a while later my Doctor told me that I would be in a Wheelchair in the not too distant future. I was in that much pain I would wake myself up crying in the middle of the night. And also wake my wife up. I desided to try Meditation, Tai Chi, & other internal Martial Arts. I started feeling relief after about 2 to 3 months, & now at 44 I can honestly say to you that I have no pain at all & infact I am as fit & as healthy as I was when I was 25. Now I'm not suggesting that she has emotional problems, it is just an avenue which could be explored. Although our internal organs are sometimes in dis-ease it most often starts from our emotional state. Kind Regards Ian. Judy Wilkins <isomorphix wrote: I've noticed that you haven't received an answer yet, Jinat, unless someone wrote you privately. I really know little about TCM but was struck by how many of her symptoms are similar to my own, though not all. Each case is individual. I know nothing about toxins accumulating in her joints but can address a bit of how some other systems affect joints. Painful joints & forms of arthritis are classed as Bi syndrome. There are many variations depending on symptoms & what Organs are affected. With the description you give, it sounds like fixed or Stubborn BI symdrome that can arise from Kidney yin deficiency. It also involved the Liver since these two Organs work balance each other. It may be more than just Stubborn Bi syndrome but you really need to have your friend seen by a good TCM doctor who uses both herbs & acupuncture. My explanation is very basic & much more can be explained but I'm trying to get this discussion started here. I'd say coffee is the worse thing for her to take now but I may be wrong. Coffee isn't bad for all but for those with weak Kidney yin, it's not good. Weak Kidney yin can show as stiff painful joints, not of an acute nature but chronic pain & stiffness that improves with warmth & movement (even if it doesn't go away, some improvement should show). When the flow of Qi is affected, stagnation can occur & it's possible that toxins can accumulate in various parts of the body. This is just a guess on my part & I really hope others more knowledgeable chime in with more information for you. Here's a quote from one TCM site: " Arthritis due to Liver & Kidney Yin deficiency or Stubborn (fixed) Bi " Symptoms: - Chronic onset, dull pain around small joints with stiffness - Swelling, could be red and hot, deformity - Night sweats, 5-palm heat, low grade fever, fatigue, thirsty - Cold extremities, edema of lower extremities, incontinence - Dizziness, tinnitus, vertigo Tongue: - Bbody thin and small, red, could be pale-swollen with teeth marks, yellow coat, peeled coat; dry or wet greasy white or yellow. - Pulse is thin, weak & deep, could be slow or fast Treatment Principle: - Strengthen Liver & Kidney, Tonify joints and ligaments - Promote Qi & Blood circulation, remove pathogens, alleviate pain (from - http://www.risinglotus.net/arthritis.html There's more on this site if you want to check.) Not all symptoms may be the same. I don't have a number of them but my diagnosis is Kidney Yin deficiency so treatment is similar to that given. Judy On Tuesday 17 July 2007 8:39:18 am icosage wrote: > Hi there, > > I was wondering if anyone would kindly be able to shed more light on > the following case: > > A person has been on noratryptaline for over 6 or 7 months - but has > now given it up completely. She was taking it because she had pain in > her vaginal area - which since going off the drugs, has been getting > better (as she has been working on deeper aspects of her life) - > however - she currently has neck pain, general joint pain - and they > are swollen and cold. She gets really stiff if she stays in one > position for too long and has to move around .She wakes up > feeling 'toxicated/bunged up' and needs coffee to get the day started. > > She does not currently suffer from asthma - though she holds a > history of it in her life. > > I was wondering that this all points to the metal imbalance - where > her joints-bones are affected (arthiritic in allopathic terms), and > the vulvul pain simply implies stagnant blood issue - exterior > condition. > > The person maintains that her joint pains are as a result of the > drug/toxins accumulating in her body. > > Is it possible that both perspectives are true - that the toxins are > expressing themselves as a metal imbalance?? > > > Hope to hear from you soon. > > kindest regards > Jinat Post message: Chinese Traditional Medicine Subscribe: Chinese Traditional Medicine- Un: Chinese Traditional Medicine- List owner: Chinese Traditional Medicine-owner Shortcut URL to this page: /community/Chinese Traditional Medicine Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 27, 2007 Report Share Posted July 27, 2007 Hello there Judy, I didn't receive any other mail but thanks very much for getting the fire started! I think it's proabably true - there is a strong kidney/water picture here as she has also suffered from back ache etc. I also feel alot of fear inside her just from her behaviours. She herself is convinced that teh body stiffness is due to the drugs she has been on and she said if it did not clear up in 3 weeks then she would not blame the drugs any more - as she has been off the drugs for a couple of weeks now. She is continuously stressing to me how she has always been healthy until about 6 months ago when she started having pain in the vaginal area. When I am collecting case studies for study purposes - I do find it a little hard as I just have to mainly rely on what the person is saying - originally she said that her stiffness started only after she started going off the drugs - when I later quizzed her about this later as to whether the appearance of her joints were there before she started going off teh drugs - she then said that the stiffness started after she first started taking the drugs. If that be the case then perhaps it is the dugs interaction that would have likely caused the arthirtitis? Anyhow - thanks for shedding further light.....and fire! Jinat. Chinese Traditional Medicine , Judy Wilkins <isomorphix wrote: > > I've noticed that you haven't received an answer yet, Jinat, unless someone > wrote you privately. I really know little about TCM but was struck by how > many of her symptoms are similar to my own, though not all. Each case is > individual. > > I know nothing about toxins accumulating in her joints but can address a bit > of how some other systems affect joints. Painful joints & forms of arthritis > are classed as Bi syndrome. There are many variations depending on symptoms & > what Organs are affected. With the description you give, it sounds like > fixed or Stubborn BI symdrome that can arise from Kidney yin deficiency. It > also involved the Liver since these two Organs work balance each other. It > may be more than just Stubborn Bi syndrome but you really need to have your > friend seen by a good TCM doctor who uses both herbs & acupuncture. My > explanation is very basic & much more can be explained but I'm trying to get > this discussion started here. > > I'd say coffee is the worse thing for her to take now but I may be wrong. > Coffee isn't bad for all but for those with weak Kidney yin, it's not good. > Weak Kidney yin can show as stiff painful joints, not of an acute nature but > chronic pain & stiffness that improves with warmth & movement (even if it > doesn't go away, some improvement should show). > > When the flow of Qi is affected, stagnation can occur & it's possible that > toxins can accumulate in various parts of the body. This is just a guess on > my part & I really hope others more knowledgeable chime in with more > information for you. > > Here's a quote from one TCM site: > " Arthritis due to Liver & Kidney Yin deficiency or Stubborn (fixed) Bi " > Symptoms: > - Chronic onset, dull pain around small joints with stiffness > - Swelling, could be red and hot, deformity > - Night sweats, 5-palm heat, low grade fever, fatigue, thirsty > - Cold extremities, edema of lower extremities, incontinence > - Dizziness, tinnitus, vertigo > > Tongue: > - Bbody thin and small, red, could be pale-swollen with teeth marks, yellow > coat, peeled coat; dry or wet greasy white or yellow. > - Pulse is thin, weak & deep, could be slow or fast > > Treatment Principle: > - Strengthen Liver & Kidney, Tonify joints and ligaments > - Promote Qi & Blood circulation, remove pathogens, alleviate pain > (from - http://www.risinglotus.net/arthritis.html There's more on this site if > you want to check.) > > Not all symptoms may be the same. I don't have a number of them but my > diagnosis is Kidney Yin deficiency so treatment is similar to that given. > > Judy > > On Tuesday 17 July 2007 8:39:18 am icosage wrote: > > Hi there, > > > > I was wondering if anyone would kindly be able to shed more light on > > the following case: > > > > A person has been on noratryptaline for over 6 or 7 months - but has > > now given it up completely. She was taking it because she had pain in > > her vaginal area - which since going off the drugs, has been getting > > better (as she has been working on deeper aspects of her life) - > > however - she currently has neck pain, general joint pain - and they > > are swollen and cold. She gets really stiff if she stays in one > > position for too long and has to move around .She wakes up > > feeling 'toxicated/bunged up' and needs coffee to get the day started. > > > > She does not currently suffer from asthma - though she holds a > > history of it in her life. > > > > I was wondering that this all points to the metal imbalance - where > > her joints-bones are affected (arthiritic in allopathic terms), and > > the vulvul pain simply implies stagnant blood issue - exterior > > condition. > > > > The person maintains that her joint pains are as a result of the > > drug/toxins accumulating in her body. > > > > Is it possible that both perspectives are true - that the toxins are > > expressing themselves as a metal imbalance?? > > > > > > Hope to hear from you soon. > > > > kindest regards > > Jinat > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 27, 2007 Report Share Posted July 27, 2007 Thanks Ian, Well yes it stands to reason about the emotional aspects - but also often you might find that when our diet tallys with our needs of the body - we become more enlightened anyway. Funnily enough she had been exercising regularly - but to look at her you would not think that she was doing any exercise. Since coming off the drugs - her stiffness has increased and so she has quit with the exercising for the time being and said she will look in to yoga later. o.k many thanks for that. Jinat Chinese Traditional Medicine , ian cottrill <igcottrill wrote: > > I don't know this lady at all so it is impossible to give an accurate diagnosis or treatment. However, I can share my own experience. > A lot of Chronic Arthritis conditions start from Severe Stress, Saddness or Depression. > 10 years ago my father died & I nearly hit rock bottom, ( the reasons are another story ), about six months later I started to develop Arthritis. To cut a long story short, a while later my Doctor told me that I would be in a Wheelchair in the not too distant future. I was in that much pain I would wake myself up crying in the middle of the night. And also wake my wife up. > I desided to try Meditation, Tai Chi, & other internal Martial Arts. I started feeling relief after about 2 to 3 months, & now at 44 I can honestly say to you that I have no pain at all & infact I am as fit & as healthy as I was when I was 25. > Now I'm not suggesting that she has emotional problems, it is just an avenue which could be explored. Although our internal organs are sometimes in dis-ease it most often starts from our emotional state. > Kind Regards > Ian. > > Judy Wilkins <isomorphix wrote: > I've noticed that you haven't received an answer yet, Jinat, unless someone > wrote you privately. I really know little about TCM but was struck by how > many of her symptoms are similar to my own, though not all. Each case is > individual. > > I know nothing about toxins accumulating in her joints but can address a bit > of how some other systems affect joints. Painful joints & forms of arthritis > are classed as Bi syndrome. There are many variations depending on symptoms & > what Organs are affected. With the description you give, it sounds like > fixed or Stubborn BI symdrome that can arise from Kidney yin deficiency. It > also involved the Liver since these two Organs work balance each other. It > may be more than just Stubborn Bi syndrome but you really need to have your > friend seen by a good TCM doctor who uses both herbs & acupuncture. My > explanation is very basic & much more can be explained but I'm trying to get > this discussion started here. > > I'd say coffee is the worse thing for her to take now but I may be wrong. > Coffee isn't bad for all but for those with weak Kidney yin, it's not good. > Weak Kidney yin can show as stiff painful joints, not of an acute nature but > chronic pain & stiffness that improves with warmth & movement (even if it > doesn't go away, some improvement should show). > > When the flow of Qi is affected, stagnation can occur & it's possible that > toxins can accumulate in various parts of the body. This is just a guess on > my part & I really hope others more knowledgeable chime in with more > information for you. > > Here's a quote from one TCM site: > " Arthritis due to Liver & Kidney Yin deficiency or Stubborn (fixed) Bi " > Symptoms: > - Chronic onset, dull pain around small joints with stiffness > - Swelling, could be red and hot, deformity > - Night sweats, 5-palm heat, low grade fever, fatigue, thirsty > - Cold extremities, edema of lower extremities, incontinence > - Dizziness, tinnitus, vertigo > > Tongue: > - Bbody thin and small, red, could be pale-swollen with teeth marks, yellow > coat, peeled coat; dry or wet greasy white or yellow. > - Pulse is thin, weak & deep, could be slow or fast > > Treatment Principle: > - Strengthen Liver & Kidney, Tonify joints and ligaments > - Promote Qi & Blood circulation, remove pathogens, alleviate pain > (from - http://www.risinglotus.net/arthritis.html There's more on this site if > you want to check.) > > Not all symptoms may be the same. I don't have a number of them but my > diagnosis is Kidney Yin deficiency so treatment is similar to that given. > > Judy > > On Tuesday 17 July 2007 8:39:18 am icosage wrote: > > Hi there, > > > > I was wondering if anyone would kindly be able to shed more light on > > the following case: > > > > A person has been on noratryptaline for over 6 or 7 months - but has > > now given it up completely. She was taking it because she had pain in > > her vaginal area - which since going off the drugs, has been getting > > better (as she has been working on deeper aspects of her life) - > > however - she currently has neck pain, general joint pain - and they > > are swollen and cold. She gets really stiff if she stays in one > > position for too long and has to move around .She wakes up > > feeling 'toxicated/bunged up' and needs coffee to get the day started. > > > > She does not currently suffer from asthma - though she holds a > > history of it in her life. > > > > I was wondering that this all points to the metal imbalance - where > > her joints-bones are affected (arthiritic in allopathic terms), and > > the vulvul pain simply implies stagnant blood issue - exterior > > condition. > > > > The person maintains that her joint pains are as a result of the > > drug/toxins accumulating in her body. > > > > Is it possible that both perspectives are true - that the toxins are > > expressing themselves as a metal imbalance?? > > > > > > Hope to hear from you soon. > > > > kindest regards > > Jinat > > > > > > Post message: Chinese Traditional Medicine > Subscribe: Chinese Traditional Medicine- > Un: Chinese Traditional Medicine- > List owner: Chinese Traditional Medicine-owner > > Shortcut URL to this page: > /community/Chinese Traditional Medicine > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 27, 2007 Report Share Posted July 27, 2007 Absolutely agree about the stating from the emotional. > > I don't know this lady at all so it is impossible to give an accurate diagnosis or treatment. However, I can share my own experience. > A lot of Chronic Arthritis conditions start from Severe Stress, Saddness or Depression. > 10 years ago my father died & I nearly hit rock bottom, ( the reasons are another story ), about six months later I started to develop Arthritis. To cut a long story short, a while later my Doctor told me that I would be in a Wheelchair in the not too distant future. I was in that much pain I would wake myself up crying in the middle of the night. And also wake my wife up. > I desided to try Meditation, Tai Chi, & other internal Martial Arts. I started feeling relief after about 2 to 3 months, & now at 44 I can honestly say to you that I have no pain at all & infact I am as fit & as healthy as I was when I was 25. > Now I'm not suggesting that she has emotional problems, it is just an avenue which could be explored. Although our internal organs are sometimes in dis-ease it most often starts from our emotional state. > Kind Regards > Ian. > > Judy Wilkins <isomorphix wrote: > I've noticed that you haven't received an answer yet, Jinat, unless someone > wrote you privately. I really know little about TCM but was struck by how > many of her symptoms are similar to my own, though not all. Each case is > individual. > > I know nothing about toxins accumulating in her joints but can address a bit > of how some other systems affect joints. Painful joints & forms of arthritis > are classed as Bi syndrome. There are many variations depending on symptoms & > what Organs are affected. With the description you give, it sounds like > fixed or Stubborn BI symdrome that can arise from Kidney yin deficiency. It > also involved the Liver since these two Organs work balance each other. It > may be more than just Stubborn Bi syndrome but you really need to have your > friend seen by a good TCM doctor who uses both herbs & acupuncture. My > explanation is very basic & much more can be explained but I'm trying to get > this discussion started here. > > I'd say coffee is the worse thing for her to take now but I may be wrong. > Coffee isn't bad for all but for those with weak Kidney yin, it's not good. > Weak Kidney yin can show as stiff painful joints, not of an acute nature but > chronic pain & stiffness that improves with warmth & movement (even if it > doesn't go away, some improvement should show). > > When the flow of Qi is affected, stagnation can occur & it's possible that > toxins can accumulate in various parts of the body. This is just a guess on > my part & I really hope others more knowledgeable chime in with more > information for you. > > Here's a quote from one TCM site: > " Arthritis due to Liver & Kidney Yin deficiency or Stubborn (fixed) Bi " > Symptoms: > - Chronic onset, dull pain around small joints with stiffness > - Swelling, could be red and hot, deformity > - Night sweats, 5-palm heat, low grade fever, fatigue, thirsty > - Cold extremities, edema of lower extremities, incontinence > - Dizziness, tinnitus, vertigo > > Tongue: > - Bbody thin and small, red, could be pale-swollen with teeth marks, yellow > coat, peeled coat; dry or wet greasy white or yellow. > - Pulse is thin, weak & deep, could be slow or fast > > Treatment Principle: > - Strengthen Liver & Kidney, Tonify joints and ligaments > - Promote Qi & Blood circulation, remove pathogens, alleviate pain > (from - http://www.risinglotus.net/arthritis.html There's more on this site if > you want to check.) > > Not all symptoms may be the same. I don't have a number of them but my > diagnosis is Kidney Yin deficiency so treatment is similar to that given. > > Judy > > On Tuesday 17 July 2007 8:39:18 am icosage wrote: > > Hi there, > > > > I was wondering if anyone would kindly be able to shed more light on > > the following case: > > > > A person has been on noratryptaline for over 6 or 7 months - but has > > now given it up completely. She was taking it because she had pain in > > her vaginal area - which since going off the drugs, has been getting > > better (as she has been working on deeper aspects of her life) - > > however - she currently has neck pain, general joint pain - and they > > are swollen and cold. She gets really stiff if she stays in one > > position for too long and has to move around .She wakes up > > feeling 'toxicated/bunged up' and needs coffee to get the day started. > > > > She does not currently suffer from asthma - though she holds a > > history of it in her life. > > > > I was wondering that this all points to the metal imbalance - where > > her joints-bones are affected (arthiritic in allopathic terms), and > > the vulvul pain simply implies stagnant blood issue - exterior > > condition. > > > > The person maintains that her joint pains are as a result of the > > drug/toxins accumulating in her body. > > > > Is it possible that both perspectives are true - that the toxins are > > expressing themselves as a metal imbalance?? > > > > > > Hope to hear from you soon. > > > > kindest regards > > Jinat > > > > > > Post message: Chinese Traditional Medicine > Subscribe: Chinese Traditional Medicine- > Un: Chinese Traditional Medicine- > List owner: Chinese Traditional Medicine-owner > > Shortcut URL to this page: > /community/Chinese Traditional Medicine > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 29, 2007 Report Share Posted July 29, 2007 Judy, Other than music what else you have tried for kidney yin deficiency. Any foods, exercise, herbs? Kidney yin deficiency is my problem too. Regards. T. Atul Judy Wilkins <isomorphix wrote: I've noticed that you haven't received an answer yet, Jinat, unless someone wrote you privately. I really know little about TCM but was struck by how many of her symptoms are similar to my own, though not all. Each case is individual. I know nothing about toxins accumulating in her joints but can address a bit of how some other systems affect joints. Painful joints & forms of arthritis are classed as Bi syndrome. There are many variations depending on symptoms & what Organs are affected. With the description you give, it sounds like fixed or Stubborn BI symdrome that can arise from Kidney yin deficiency. It also involved the Liver since these two Organs work balance each other. It may be more than just Stubborn Bi syndrome but you really need to have your friend seen by a good TCM doctor who uses both herbs & acupuncture. My explanation is very basic & much more can be explained but I'm trying to get this discussion started here. I'd say coffee is the worse thing for her to take now but I may be wrong. Coffee isn't bad for all but for those with weak Kidney yin, it's not good. Weak Kidney yin can show as stiff painful joints, not of an acute nature but chronic pain & stiffness that improves with warmth & movement (even if it doesn't go away, some improvement should show). When the flow of Qi is affected, stagnation can occur & it's possible that toxins can accumulate in various parts of the body. This is just a guess on my part & I really hope others more knowledgeable chime in with more information for you. Here's a quote from one TCM site: " Arthritis due to Liver & Kidney Yin deficiency or Stubborn (fixed) Bi " Symptoms: - Chronic onset, dull pain around small joints with stiffness - Swelling, could be red and hot, deformity - Night sweats, 5-palm heat, low grade fever, fatigue, thirsty - Cold extremities, edema of lower extremities, incontinence - Dizziness, tinnitus, vertigo Tongue: - Bbody thin and small, red, could be pale-swollen with teeth marks, yellow coat, peeled coat; dry or wet greasy white or yellow. - Pulse is thin, weak & deep, could be slow or fast Treatment Principle: - Strengthen Liver & Kidney, Tonify joints and ligaments - Promote Qi & Blood circulation, remove pathogens, alleviate pain (from - http://www.risinglotus.net/arthritis.html There's more on this site if you want to check.) Not all symptoms may be the same. I don't have a number of them but my diagnosis is Kidney Yin deficiency so treatment is similar to that given. Judy On Tuesday 17 July 2007 8:39:18 am icosage wrote: > Hi there, > > I was wondering if anyone would kindly be able to shed more light on > the following case: > > A person has been on noratryptaline for over 6 or 7 months - but has > now given it up completely. She was taking it because she had pain in > her vaginal area - which since going off the drugs, has been getting > better (as she has been working on deeper aspects of her life) - > however - she currently has neck pain, general joint pain - and they > are swollen and cold. She gets really stiff if she stays in one > position for too long and has to move around .She wakes up > feeling 'toxicated/bunged up' and needs coffee to get the day started. > > She does not currently suffer from asthma - though she holds a > history of it in her life. > > I was wondering that this all points to the metal imbalance - where > her joints-bones are affected (arthiritic in allopathic terms), and > the vulvul pain simply implies stagnant blood issue - exterior > condition. > > The person maintains that her joint pains are as a result of the > drug/toxins accumulating in her body. > > Is it possible that both perspectives are true - that the toxins are > expressing themselves as a metal imbalance?? > > > Hope to hear from you soon. > > kindest regards > Jinat Post message: Chinese Traditional Medicine Subscribe: Chinese Traditional Medicine- Un: Chinese Traditional Medicine- List owner: Chinese Traditional Medicine-owner Shortcut URL to this page: /community/Chinese Traditional Medicine Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 29, 2007 Report Share Posted July 29, 2007 Now that my favourite TCM doctor is back, I'm seeing him regularly until I'm in balance again. Last fall, winter, & spring have been very wet & cool. Little sunshine. I feel that it's affected me negatively more than most years due to the weather extremes. I'm currently taking the traditional long brewed (3 hours minimum) teas twice per day to strengthen my Kidney yin. But as I go along, the formula is being altered to fit my needs & the changes (improvements). The formula I have now contains 21 diff herbs & I don't know what they all are. 6 of the herbs are also meant to release some of the Liver & Heart heat that's accumulated. I've also had an accumulation of damp that needs to be looked after to allow free flow of my energy (Qi?). So along with herbal teas (I feel they work much better than herbal pills), I'm also receiving acupuncture for my Liver, Heart, & for pain I have in my shoulders from very old injuries. Right now, I also have 2 small needles (on flesh coloured sticky tapes), one in each ear (the outer part near the top) to help calm me, strengthen my memory & help me sleep better. I have light sleep, overfilled with dreams normally. I must say I do feel much calmer with these sticky needle pads. I really think that trying to treat oneself with herbs is a lesson in futility. The balance that's done with herbs is not just herbal science but an art. While one herb may have a helpful effect on an Organ that needs help, it may also overdo it for another part. By fine-tuning the herbs & balancing everything, the proper effect is reached. And one changes too so the original formula may no longer fit after a few weeks. I'm so sorry I can't say more. My knowledge is not that good & I'm very grateful to have found such a skilled, experienced, & kind TCM doctor. I'm not sure one could ever achive this alone. I think it worth driving a good distance to find one who's willing to help. Judy On Saturday 28 July 2007 4:36:53 pm tulu 489 wrote: > Judy, > Other than music what else you have tried for kidney yin deficiency. Any > foods, exercise, herbs? Kidney yin deficiency is my problem too. > > Regards. > > T. Atul Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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