Guest guest Posted June 26, 2007 Report Share Posted June 26, 2007 Would a condition such as PCOS (polycycstic ovarian syndrome)reveal itself on the tongue surface? Thanks in advance Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 26, 2007 Report Share Posted June 26, 2007 Chinese Traditional Medicine , " profhealr18 " <profhealr18 wrote: > > Would a condition such as PCOS (polycycstic ovarian syndrome)reveal > itself on the tongue surface? > > Thanks in advance > Not entirely sure about how it shows up on the tounge, but it probably would somehow as stangation in the female channel, usually due to cold and/or dampness. The is especially true here in the states because alot of women eat icecream and cold things around their cycle, and women are especially prone to a damp and/or cold invasion around that time of the month. I guess that endometriosis shows up on the pulse and the tounge very much the same as PCOS, because there was someone in the office of the Dr I go to asking about weither she had endometriosis or PCOS, and he couldn't tell by the pulse or the tounge, other than she had one or the other. He felt her ears though around the top edge, and I don't know if he was watching how fast they went from white back to red or what, but in doing whatever he was doing he could tell that it was PCOS not endometriosis. I dunno if that helps or not, but I thought I would share it =) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 26, 2007 Report Share Posted June 26, 2007 Chinese Traditional Medicine , " profhealr18 " <profhealr18 wrote: > > Would a condition such as PCOS (polycycstic ovarian syndrome)reveal > itself on the tongue surface? Hi profhealr18, and welcome to Chinese Traditional Medicine. What gets diagnosed and treated in TCM are TCM imbalances, not allopathic-defined medical conditions. The particular TCM imbalance (s) which underlie(s) the PCOS would show up in the tongue. Also in the pulse and in various other symptoms and signs. One of the biggest surprises to many Westerners is that there rarely is a one-to-one correspondence between a TCM imbalance and an allopathic-defined medical condition. People can have the same Western-defined medical condition, but the TCM imbalances are different. The TCM treatment will be based on what the TCM imbalances are, not the Western diagnosis. You can Google for the exact phase " " and must include " PCOS " . I did, and a lot came up. One of the more informative articles was from Giovanni Maciocia's website. It's very informative from both an allopathic standpoint and a TCM standpoint. " ATTERNS " Explanation of clinical manifestations according to patterns " I. Damp-Phlegm: there is nearly always Damp-Phlegm. The ovarian cysts are due to Damp-Phlegm II. Kidney deficiency: there is always a Kidney deficiency in POS causing the hormonal imbalance. This can be Yin or Yang, more often Yang III. Blood stasis: there may be Blood stasis especially if the ovarian cysts are palpable and the periods painful IV. Liver-Fire: there may be Liver-Fire or Damp-Heat in the Liver channel V. Blood deficiency: there may be Blood deficiency which causes scanty periods or amenorrhoea. " http://www.three-treasures.com/newsletters/spring04.html Damp is pathological fluid in the body. Phlegm is Dampness that has congeled and become even more of a problem than just Dampness. (Dampness often is due to a weak Spleen, and in those cases the Spleen will need to be strengthened.) (The names of TCM Organs are capitalized because they are not equivalent to anatomical organs, but are collections of functions.) The Kidneys supply the Yin and Yang to the rest of the body. The are Yin Tonic and Yang Tonic herbs and formulas which will supplement Yin and Yang. Blood Stasis means that the Blood is not flowing properly. Pain is one of the symptoms of Blood Stasis. One of the signs of Blood Stasis is a purple discoloration in the tongue tissue and/or skin. There are herbs and acupoints to get Blood moving properly. Liver-Fire is a great deal of Heat in the Liver. (This is not a good explanation of Fire, but one that is adequate for now.) Damp-Heat means that Dampness and Heat have teamed up together. The treatment principle is to remove the Heat and/or Fire. Blood Deficiency is not restricted to anemia. The Western blood tests can be normal, but a person can still suffer from Blood Deficiency. The B is capitalized because it's the TCM definition of Blood (its functions) and not the Western anatomical description. There are Blood Tonic herbs and formulas. For readers who are new to TCM who read the article, there are 3 other terms that need to be explained: The Du (aka Governing Vessel) is the meridian that runs up the middle of the back and over the head to a point between the nose and upper lip. The Ren (Conception Vessel) is the meridian that runs up the middle of the front of the body. The Chong Mai (aka Penetrating Vessel) is another of the 8 Extraordinary Meridians. (The Du and Ren also are Extraordinary Meridians. The meridians/ channels/ vessels that get worked with the most in acupuncture are the 12 Main (Organ - i.e., Liver, Kidneys, Spleen, Stomach, etc.) Meridians followed by the 8 Extraordinary Meridians. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 26, 2007 Report Share Posted June 26, 2007 Thank you everyone for the information! It's been very helpful. I have PCOS, or rather was diagnosed with it nearly 10 years ago, and have noticed some unusual things going on. Perhaps they've been happening for a while and I just wasn't aware of them. The most significant is the change in my tongue which seems to have a peeled looked to the right side of it. I was taking supplements that I thought would help with the PCOS but since I've run out, the peeling has decreased and is now about the size of a dime on the right side of my tongue. Maybe the supplement was making things worse? I was researching the internet and based on my own amateur observations, my tongue seems to be reflecting that I have a Yin deficiency. I've been looking into yin foods so I can increase those and will look for a TCM practitioner to visit in the near future. I decided to go this route instead of conventional Western medicine but the medicines prescribed in the past made me worse instead of better. I'm new to TCM but I am starting to read more about it and study it to learn more everyday. Thank you again, Linda Chinese Traditional Medicine , " victoria_dragon " <victoria_dragon wrote: > > Chinese Traditional Medicine , " profhealr18 " > <profhealr18@> wrote: > > > > Would a condition such as PCOS (polycycstic ovarian syndrome)reveal > > itself on the tongue surface? > > Hi profhealr18, and welcome to Chinese Traditional Medicine. > > What gets diagnosed and treated in TCM are TCM imbalances, not > allopathic-defined medical conditions. The particular TCM imbalance > (s) which underlie(s) the PCOS would show up in the tongue. Also in > the pulse and in various other symptoms and signs. > > One of the biggest surprises to many Westerners is that there rarely > is a one-to-one correspondence between a TCM imbalance and an > allopathic-defined medical condition. People can have the same > Western-defined medical condition, but the TCM imbalances are > different. The TCM treatment will be based on what the TCM > imbalances are, not the Western diagnosis. > > You can Google for the exact phase " " and must > include " PCOS " . I did, and a lot came up. One of the more > informative articles was from Giovanni Maciocia's website. It's very > informative from both an allopathic standpoint and a TCM standpoint. > > " ATTERNS > > " Explanation of clinical manifestations according to patterns > > > " I. Damp-Phlegm: there is nearly always Damp-Phlegm. The ovarian > cysts are due to Damp-Phlegm > II. Kidney deficiency: there is always a Kidney deficiency in POS > causing the hormonal imbalance. This can be Yin or Yang, more often > Yang > III. Blood stasis: there may be Blood stasis especially if the > ovarian cysts are palpable and the periods painful > IV. Liver-Fire: there may be Liver-Fire or Damp-Heat in the Liver > channel > V. Blood deficiency: there may be Blood deficiency which causes > scanty periods or amenorrhoea. " > > > http://www.three-treasures.com/newsletters/spring04.html > > Damp is pathological fluid in the body. Phlegm is Dampness that has > congeled and become even more of a problem than just Dampness. > (Dampness often is due to a weak Spleen, and in those cases the > Spleen will need to be strengthened.) (The names of TCM Organs are > capitalized because they are not equivalent to anatomical organs, but > are collections of functions.) > > The Kidneys supply the Yin and Yang to the rest of the body. The are > Yin Tonic and Yang Tonic herbs and formulas which will supplement Yin > and Yang. > > Blood Stasis means that the Blood is not flowing properly. Pain is > one of the symptoms of Blood Stasis. One of the signs of Blood Stasis > is a purple discoloration in the tongue tissue and/or skin. There are > herbs and acupoints to get Blood moving properly. > > Liver-Fire is a great deal of Heat in the Liver. (This is not a good > explanation of Fire, but one that is adequate for now.) Damp-Heat > means that Dampness and Heat have teamed up together. The treatment > principle is to remove the Heat and/or Fire. > > Blood Deficiency is not restricted to anemia. The Western blood tests > can be normal, but a person can still suffer from Blood Deficiency. > The B is capitalized because it's the TCM definition of Blood (its > functions) and not the Western anatomical description. There are > Blood Tonic herbs and formulas. > > For readers who are new to TCM who read the article, there are 3 > other terms that need to be explained: > > The Du (aka Governing Vessel) is the meridian that runs up the middle > of the back and over the head to a point between the nose and upper > lip. > > The Ren (Conception Vessel) is the meridian that runs up the middle > of the front of the body. > > The Chong Mai (aka Penetrating Vessel) is another of the 8 > Extraordinary Meridians. (The Du and Ren also are Extraordinary > Meridians. The meridians/ channels/ vessels that get worked with the > most in acupuncture are the 12 Main (Organ - i.e., Liver, Kidneys, > Spleen, Stomach, etc.) Meridians followed by the 8 Extraordinary > Meridians. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 27, 2007 Report Share Posted June 27, 2007 Linda: It's a good idea to visit a practitioner soon. Last year I helped a woman with PCOS, who had the condition for ten years. I found some good herbal remedies and she took them every evening. She later went for an ultrasound, and the doctor said that she had a serious problem, but couldn't tell how serious. When she finally had surgery to remove the cysts, doctors found 14 of them, one of them quite large. At best, the surgeon said that the herbs I gave the woman held the growth of the cysts in check, but since she had them longer than a decade, the herbs could not have eliminated them. We did not do acupuncture, however, so it is difficult to say whether herbs and acupuncture would have worked better. Kind regards, Jack --- profhealr18 <profhealr18 wrote: > Thank you everyone for the information! It's been > very helpful. > > I have PCOS, or rather was diagnosed with it nearly > 10 years ago, and > have noticed some unusual things going on. Perhaps > they've been > happening for a while and I just wasn't aware of > them. The most > significant is the change in my tongue which seems > to have a peeled > looked to the right side of it. I was taking > supplements that I > thought would help with the PCOS but since I've run > out, the peeling > has decreased and is now about the size of a dime on > the right side of > my tongue. Maybe the supplement was making things > worse? > > I was researching the internet and based on my own > amateur > observations, my tongue seems to be reflecting that > I have a Yin > deficiency. I've been looking into yin foods so I > can increase those > and will look for a TCM practitioner to visit in the > near future. > I decided to go this route instead of conventional > Western medicine > but the medicines prescribed in the past made me > worse instead of better. > > I'm new to TCM but I am starting to read more about > it and study it to > learn more everyday. > > Thank you again, > Linda > > > Chinese Traditional Medicine , > " victoria_dragon " > <victoria_dragon wrote: > > > > Chinese Traditional Medicine , > " profhealr18 " > > <profhealr18@> wrote: > > > > > > Would a condition such as PCOS (polycycstic > ovarian syndrome)reveal > > > itself on the tongue surface? > > > > Hi profhealr18, and welcome to Chinese Traditional Medicine. > > > > What gets diagnosed and treated in TCM are TCM > imbalances, not > > allopathic-defined medical conditions. The > particular TCM imbalance > > (s) which underlie(s) the PCOS would show up in > the tongue. Also in > > the pulse and in various other symptoms and signs. > > > > One of the biggest surprises to many Westerners is > that there rarely > > is a one-to-one correspondence between a TCM > imbalance and an > > allopathic-defined medical condition. People can > have the same > > Western-defined medical condition, but the TCM > imbalances are > > different. The TCM treatment will be based on > what the TCM > > imbalances are, not the Western diagnosis. > > > > You can Google for the exact phase " Chinese > Medicine " and must > > include " PCOS " . I did, and a lot came up. One of > the more > > informative articles was from Giovanni Maciocia's > website. It's very > > informative from both an allopathic standpoint and > a TCM standpoint. > > > > " ATTERNS > > > > " Explanation of clinical manifestations according > to patterns > > > > > > " I. Damp-Phlegm: there is nearly always > Damp-Phlegm. The ovarian > > cysts are due to Damp-Phlegm > > II. Kidney deficiency: there is always a Kidney > deficiency in POS > > causing the hormonal imbalance. This can be Yin or > Yang, more often > > Yang > > III. Blood stasis: there may be Blood stasis > especially if the > > ovarian cysts are palpable and the periods painful > > > IV. Liver-Fire: there may be Liver-Fire or > Damp-Heat in the Liver > > channel > > V. Blood deficiency: there may be Blood deficiency > which causes > > scanty periods or amenorrhoea. " > > > > > > > http://www.three-treasures.com/newsletters/spring04.html > > > > Damp is pathological fluid in the body. Phlegm is > Dampness that has > > congeled and become even more of a problem than > just Dampness. > > (Dampness often is due to a weak Spleen, and in > those cases the > > Spleen will need to be strengthened.) (The names > of TCM Organs are > > capitalized because they are not equivalent to > anatomical organs, but > > are collections of functions.) > > > > The Kidneys supply the Yin and Yang to the rest of > the body. The are > > Yin Tonic and Yang Tonic herbs and formulas which > will supplement Yin > > and Yang. > > > > Blood Stasis means that the Blood is not flowing > properly. Pain is > > one of the symptoms of Blood Stasis. One of the > signs of Blood Stasis > > is a purple discoloration in the tongue tissue > and/or skin. There are > > herbs and acupoints to get Blood moving properly. > > > > Liver-Fire is a great deal of Heat in the Liver. > (This is not a good > > explanation of Fire, but one that is adequate for > now.) Damp-Heat > > means that Dampness and Heat have teamed up > together. The treatment > > principle is to remove the Heat and/or Fire. > > > > Blood Deficiency is not restricted to anemia. The > Western blood tests > > can be normal, but a person can still suffer from > Blood Deficiency. > > The B is capitalized because it's the TCM > definition of Blood (its > > functions) and not the Western anatomical > description. There are > > Blood Tonic herbs and formulas. > > > > For readers who are new to TCM who read the > article, there are 3 > > other terms that need to be explained: > > > > The Du (aka Governing Vessel) is the meridian that > runs up the middle > > of the back and over the head to a point between > the nose and upper > > lip. > > > > The Ren (Conception Vessel) is the meridian that > runs up the middle > > of the front of the body. > > > > The Chong Mai (aka Penetrating Vessel) is another > of the 8 > > Extraordinary Meridians. (The Du and Ren also are > Extraordinary > > Meridians. The meridians/ channels/ vessels that > get worked with the > > most in acupuncture are the 12 Main (Organ - i.e., > Liver, Kidneys, > > Spleen, Stomach, etc.) Meridians followed by the 8 > Extraordinary > > Meridians. > > > > > ______________________________\ ___ You snooze, you lose. Get messages ASAP with AutoCheck in the all-new Mail Beta. http://advision.webevents./mailbeta/newmail_html.html Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 27, 2007 Report Share Posted June 27, 2007 If you need help finding a practitioner I would be glad to help you if you just want to send me your zip code. If you want to you can try these search engines, or if you can't get them to work, I would be glad to help you find something. All I would need is your zip. You can contact me by e-mail through here. If you look off to the right and see my user name right below will be a link to send e-mail. Of course I would keep the info to myself. http://dol.jkmcomm.com/acupuncture/default.asp http://www.acufinder.com/Find+Acupuncturist Chinese Traditional Medicine , " profhealr18 " <profhealr18 wrote: > > Thank you everyone for the information! It's been very helpful. > > I have PCOS, or rather was diagnosed with it nearly 10 years ago, and > have noticed some unusual things going on. Perhaps they've been > happening for a while and I just wasn't aware of them. The most > significant is the change in my tongue which seems to have a peeled > looked to the right side of it. I was taking supplements that I > thought would help with the PCOS but since I've run out, the peeling > has decreased and is now about the size of a dime on the right side of > my tongue. Maybe the supplement was making things worse? > > I was researching the internet and based on my own amateur > observations, my tongue seems to be reflecting that I have a Yin > deficiency. I've been looking into yin foods so I can increase those > and will look for a TCM practitioner to visit in the near future. > I decided to go this route instead of conventional Western medicine > but the medicines prescribed in the past made me worse instead of better. > > I'm new to TCM but I am starting to read more about it and study it to > learn more everyday. > > Thank you again, > Linda Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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