The debate is now over

December 5, 2009

I have been quietly reading all of these posts going back and forth.

I have enjoyed this forum, because of the diverse and open minds of the members.

Yes, we all can have an opinion, which is a good thing.

We must read all of the data and try to determine what fits us.

Having spent most of my 60 years studying and practicing "alternate" methods.

The docs killed my mother and father with their methods.

It might sound harsh, but what can one say, watching your parents die at the hands of someone else.

I have many other friends that have been terribly hurt and also some killed by doctors.

That doesn't mean that they are all bad.

Not at all.

Many are truly very good at what they do in their practice.

I have chosen the less traveled path and it has been good to me.

Now back to the subject at hand.

Even the American Medical Association has admitted that more the 40% of their articles were written by people who were PAID to write them, with little or NO research to back them up. That scares the heck out of me.

I personally will not let them experiment on my family.

For those out there who stand for the articles, I have a suggestion.

Look further into the people who wrote them, what labs were used, how large was the subject group, etc.,etc.

My point is to encourage open minded discussion and sharing of good, solid facts.

Also facts based on experience.

If anyone, now and in the future ,want to make a fuss, then I fell they should join another forum.

Thank you all for all of your current and future good discussions.

Rich in NJ

In a message dated 12/5/2009 8:36:27 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, showard208 writes:

Tony, You are SO the MAN!!! Thank you.Shara

TonyI oleander soup Sent: Sat, Dec 5, 2009 6:29 pm The debate is now over

Cyrpiano -

(Sigh) As I said in an earlier message as well as in a private message to you, I thought I made it clear that it was time to end the debate, stop repeating ourselves and move on. THAT is how I suggest you respond to my message and to this one as well.

Look, I appreciate your concern, but if you are going to continue to insist on science as the sole arbitrer on this forum you are addressing the wrong audience.

OK, I am going to climb on my soapbox, state what I believe and know, and then this debate is over:

You have had studies provided for you to look at as well as plenty of anecdotal evidence. You may reject such evidence, but I reject much of the mainstream studies as being deliberately flawed to benefit the funders.

One of the biggest myths in medicine is that only a mainstream study is valid. An even bigger myth is that a cure for cancer would be eagerly pursued and marketed by mainstream medicine. Despite all the promises of cures around the corner for half a century, cancer has instead grown more prevelant and the cancer industry has become a bloated $300-$400 billion monster whose continued existence and profits depends on NOT finding a cure.

When it comes down to it, cures for cancer already have been found - but since they are not patentable and controllable by mainstream medicine and represent a threat to mainstream cancer profits, they have not only not been embraced by mainstream medicine, they have been horrible suppressed and the people who developed them harassed and persecuted evilly. I suggest you take a look at the book by former New York State Assemblyman to see what happens to people who find cures for cancer:

Politics in Healing: The suppression and manipulation of American Medicine

Mainstream medicine does not cure virtually anyone of anything. It manages symptoms with unnatural compounds and synthetic patentable version of natural compounds or else uniquely patentable isolates not found in nature without the supporting compounds that usually accompany them. As a result, deliberate or not (and I have no doubt that it a great deal of it is deliberate), our bodies have unnatural reactions to these drugs and that often leads to other conditions requiring still more drugs, office visits and tests in a never ending cycle.

It's a great model for profit when your only marketplace is our bodies, but it is a horrible one for healing and humanity.

If you don't believe what I am saying, read my article:

Modern Medicine: How Healing Illness became Managing Illness

It isn't what is taught in medical school or in the controlled mainstream media, but it is hard to argue with facts and history.

And, believe me or not, this debate IS now over.

Thanks,

oleander soup , Cypriano Aguerria <caguerria wrote:>> > Tony I do not know how to respond to your e- mail. I have done quite a lot OF RESEARCH on MJ and have yet to find any evidence for it treating cancer. IF we do not have any studies to look at and study what do we use? The drug co's would love to patient the use. Tony it's all about the Money.> > > > Sincerely> > > > Cypriano

December 6, 2009