sinus and Dr. Christopher

December 2, 2009

I also have sinus problems and have tried about everything.I just read Dr. Christophers advice and he says cut up horseradish root and mix with apple cider v. make a thick pulp,chew throughly before swallowing. 1/3 teaspoon 2 times a day. I have not done it yet but will.Sandy--- On Mon, 11/30/09, oleander soup <oleander soup > wrote:oleander soup <oleander soup > Digest Number 1621oleander soup Date: Monday, November 30, 2009, 9:47 PM

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Posted by: "TED SANFORD"

tedsanford

Mon Nov 30, 2009 5:08 am (PST)

Barbara,

check out microelectricityger mkiller@gro ups.com. With 4 D batteries, 2 small sponges, some rubber bands and tape, you can make a simple device that should give you some relief, especially in combination with the oils, etc.

Ted

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Monday, November 30, 2009, 12:18 AM

Hi All,

I did oil pulling which helped a lot with the sinus', now it is just the earache. I put some olive oil

in the ear with a qtip, just a tad, barely warm, and let it drop off the qtip so i wasn't putting anything in my ear. Anyway so far that has not helped.

Can Anyone help with an earache. I am doing all kinds of online searches.

thanks,

barbara n germany

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bntelenniss

Mon Nov 30, 2009 5:58 am (PST)

Thank you Ted, Maria and everyone else who gave me advice. I have never had a sinus infection in my long life:-) You can tell I am feeling better. I don't think I have ever had an ear infection.

I had a cold last week and on Friday I staryted to feel bad. I came home from work and went to bed where I stayed until Sunday morning. The sinus infection escalated. I used everything I could think of: silver, clay, can't remember what else, but that helped. On Sunday I thought I was home free and planned to work today; that's how good I felt yesterday. I went to bed, slept briefly and woke up with the sinus infection having moved to the other side. (Originally, it was just one side) and my ear was also infected. I was in SO much pain and I was freaking out, alone in a country where I don't speak the language. Now we do have a health unit at the Consulate staffed with American's but on the weekend, they would havej ust told me to go to the hospital. I wasn't doing that beside I was in too much pain.

I posted on this site and sweet Maria caught it right away, now I realize we have some way different time zones. I went to google and typed in sinus infection, ear infection N alternative car,e

I got all kinds of info. What I ended up doing. Oh! first I did the oil pulling twice (every couple of hours) and that helped a lot, then I put peroxide in my ear ...a couple of drops. I was a little scared of putting anything in my ear, but when you are in that kind of pain, you will try anything. It worked. I did it a couple of times at intervals. I now am not in pain, though of course it is not cleared completely, and my ear sounds like a tunnel. I hope that corrects before tomorrow.

That was the most horrific pain, and these things always happen: in the night and hubby gone, I think he plans it that way:-)

thanks to all and I hope tomorrow I will be able to post that I have a full recovery.

Ted I am definitely checking out that website and hubby (also Ted) will be home next week and I will have him make that for me. I have suffered so much pain in my life I need one to carry with me. :-)

Barbara N Germany

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Monday, November 30, 2009, 8:05 AM

Barbara,

check out microelectricityger mkiller@gro ups.com. With 4 D batteries, 2 small sponges, some rubber bands and tape, you can make a simple device that should give you some relief, especially in combination with the oils, etc.

Ted

--- On Mon, 11/30/09, barbara elenniss <bntelenniss@ > wrote:

barbara elenniss <bntelenniss@ >

sinus infection

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Monday, November 30, 2009, 12:18 AM

Hi All,

I did oil pulling which helped a lot with the sinus', now it is just the earache. I put some olive oil

in the ear with a qtip, just a tad, barely warm, and let it drop off the qtip so i wasn't putting anything in my ear. Anyway so far that has not helped.

Can Anyone help with an earache. I am doing all kinds of online searches.

thanks,

barbara n germany

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Mon Nov 30, 2009 8:58 am (PST)

Barbara,

I read that a couple of drops of povodone iodone (Betadine) in the ear will clear up an ear infection a lot better than antibiotics. Also, chewing raw garlic (if you can't chew it, do what I do....swallow chunks of cut garlic!). Raw garlic took care of an abscessed tooth for my husband. It got the swelling and infection down in 2 days, AND he's not had any trouble with the tooth since...this was over a year ago.

Bless your heart and get well soon.

Shara

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Sun, Nov 29, 2009 11:18 pm

sinus infection

Hi All,

I did oil pulling which helped a lot with the sinus', now it is just the earache. I put some olive oil

in the ear with a qtip, just a tad, barely warm, and let it drop off the qtip so i wasn't putting anything in my ear. Anyway so far that has not helped.

Can Anyone help with an earache. I am doing all kinds of online searches.

thanks,

barbara n germany

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bntelenniss

Mon Nov 30, 2009 9:49 am (PST)

Shara,

Thanks,

I don't have any kind of Iodine, but I have garlic. I can eat garlic raw anytime, love it, but I gotta tell

you the garlic I just had burned my mouth like it was going to take the skin off. I did get a couple of pieces down using avacoda. That was the hottest garlic I have ever had. LOL

But is sure opened my sinuses.

thanks,

barbara

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Re: sinus infection

oleander soup

Monday, November 30, 2009, 11:58 AM

Barbara,

I read that a couple of drops of povodone iodone (Betadine) in the ear will clear up an ear infection a lot better than antibiotics. Also, chewing raw garlic (if you can't chew it, do what I do....swallow chunks of cut garlic!). Raw garlic took care of an abscessed tooth for my husband. It got the swelling and infection down in 2 days, AND he's not had any trouble with the tooth since...this was over a year ago.

Bless your heart and get well soon.

Shara

barbara elenniss <bntelenniss@ >

oleander soup

Sun, Nov 29, 2009 11:18 pm

sinus infection

Hi All,

I did oil pulling which helped a lot with the sinus', now it is just the earache. I put some olive oil

in the ear with a qtip, just a tad, barely warm, and let it drop off the qtip so i wasn't putting anything in my ear. Anyway so far that has not helped.

Can Anyone help with an earache. I am doing all kinds of online searches.

thanks,

barbara n germany

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blondfury123

Mon Nov 30, 2009 10:03 am (PST)

Barbara,

Bless your heart! I love garlic too, but I can't seem to chew it raw. Oh, another thing, warm, homemade, vegetable soup with lots of black pepper and cayenne pepper will also open your sinuses! The garlic should help with your ear infection, as it's a wonderful, natural antibiotic. We actually eat several cloves a day, cut into swallowable chunks, just for general health. We don't chew them, because we want them to go all the way through our digestive system, hopefully spreading their wonderful healing properties all the way through, lol. If you can get your hands on the povodone iodine (you should be able to get it at your local pharmacy or WalMart if there's one near you), give it a try. Two to three drops in the problem ear and let it sit until it gets warm. One thing, though, it will stain, so don't lie on your good white sheets or your pretty cream-colored couch to apply it, lol.

Shara

barbara elenniss <bntelenniss@ >

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Mon, Nov 30, 2009 11:47 am

Re: sinus infection

Shara,

Thanks,

I don't have any kind of Iodine, but I have garlic. I can eat garlic raw anytime, love it, but I gotta tell

you the garlic I just had burned my mouth like it was going to take the skin off. I did get a couple of pieces down using avacoda. That was the hottest garlic I have ever had. LOL

But is sure opened my sinuses.

thanks,

barbara

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Re: sinus infection

oleander soup

Monday, November 30, 2009, 11:58 AM

Barbara,

I read that a couple of drops of povodone iodone (Betadine) in the ear will clear up an ear infection a lot better than antibiotics. Also, chewing raw garlic (if you can't chew it, do what I do....swallow chunks of cut garlic!). Raw garlic took care of an abscessed tooth for my husband. It got the swelling and infection down in 2 days, AND he's not had any trouble with the tooth since...this was over a year ago.

Bless your heart and get well soon.

Shara

barbara elenniss <bntelenniss@ >

oleander soup

Sun, Nov 29, 2009 11:18 pm

sinus infection

Hi All,

I did oil pulling which helped a lot with the sinus', now it is just the earache. I put some olive oil

in the ear with a qtip, just a tad, barely warm, and let it drop off the qtip so i wasn't putting anything in my ear. Anyway so far that has not helped.

Can Anyone help with an earache. I am doing all kinds of online searches.

thanks,

barbara n germany

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Re: sinus infection

Posted by: "Cypriano Aguerria"

caguerria

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Mon Nov 30, 2009 11:01 am (PST)

Hello, regarding garlic, as we all know? It has health qualities. However common sense must be the main consideration when using any food, herb, or supplement. Always start slowly and in small quanties. Garlic needs to sit for at least 15 minutes after chopping,grading, etc. to receive the full benefits it can give. As for the iodine issue why not get some sea vegetables such as nori, wakamii or or any others.

Sincerely,

Cypriano

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bntelenniss@

Mon, 30 Nov 2009 09:47:23 -0800

Re: sinus infection

Shara,

Thanks,

I don't have any kind of Iodine, but I have garlic. I can eat garlic raw anytime, love it, but I gotta tell

you the garlic I just had burned my mouth like it was going to take the skin off. I did get a couple of pieces down using avacoda. That was the hottest garlic I have ever had. LOL

But is sure opened my sinuses.

thanks,

barbara

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Monday, November 30, 2009, 11:58 AM

Barbara,

I read that a couple of drops of povodone iodone (Betadine) in the ear will clear up an ear infection a lot better than antibiotics. Also, chewing raw garlic (if you can't chew it, do what I do....swallow chunks of cut garlic!). Raw garlic took care of an abscessed tooth for my husband. It got the swelling and infection down in 2 days, AND he's not had any trouble with the tooth since...this was over a year ago.

Bless your heart and get well soon.

Shara

barbara elenniss <bntelenniss@ >

oleander soup

Sun, Nov 29, 2009 11:18 pm

sinus infection

Hi All,

I did oil pulling which helped a lot with the sinus', now it is just the earache. I put some olive oil

in the ear with a qtip, just a tad, barely warm, and let it drop off the qtip so i wasn't putting anything in my ear. Anyway so far that has not helped.

Can Anyone help with an earache. I am doing all kinds of online searches.

thanks,

barbara n germany

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Re: sinus infection

Posted by: " M"

luellamay129

Mon Nov 30, 2009 3:09 pm (PST)

Barbara,

Drop colloidal silver in your ear several times a day. It will get rid

of any infection.

oleander soup, barbara elenniss <bntelenniss@ ...>

wrote:

>

> Hi All,

>

> I did oil pulling which helped a lot with the sinus', now it is just

the earache. I put some olive oil

> in the ear with a qtip, just a tad, barely warm, and let it drop off

the qtip so i wasn't putting anything in my ear. Anyway so far that has

not helped.

>

> Can Anyone help with an earache. I am doing all kinds of online

searches.

>

> thanks,

> barbara n germany

>

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Re: sinus infection

Posted by: " M"

luellamay129

Mon Nov 30, 2009 3:14 pm (PST)

Barbara,

Bless your heart. If you are still having sinus problems spray the

colloidal silver in your nose. Also put colloidal silver drops in your

ears. Keep in mind, depending on the infection it may take a couple of

days to work, but it will most definitely get rid of any infection.

I hope you feel better soon.

Hugs,

oleander soup, barbara elenniss <bntelenniss@ ...>

wrote:

>

> Hi All,

>

> I did oil pulling which helped a lot with the sinus', now it is just

the earache. I put some olive oil

> in the ear with a qtip, just a tad, barely warm, and let it drop off

the qtip so i wasn't putting anything in my ear. Anyway so far that has

not helped.

>

> Can Anyone help with an earache. I am doing all kinds of online

searches.

>

> thanks,

> barbara n germany

>

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1.9.

Re: sinus infection

Posted by: "Cathy"

plantenergy1

Mon Nov 30, 2009 3:27 pm (PST)

Barbara -

Chop up garlic in a small amount of olive oil and then strain the oil through a cloth so you don't get pieces of garlic in it, then put drops of this garlic oil in your ear. Garlic oil is great for inflammation in the ear.

I use colloidal silver with a couple pinches of good salt in my neti pot too which is great for sinuses.

I find it easier to blend the colloidal silver with an essential oil in the ear so maybe you could blend it with the garlic oil? Just a thought!

cathy

oleander soup, " M" <luellamay129@ ...> wrote:

>

> Barbara,

>

> Bless your heart. If you are still having sinus problems spray the

> colloidal silver in your nose. Also put colloidal silver drops in your

> ears. Keep in mind, depending on the infection it may take a couple of

> days to work, but it will most definitely get rid of any infection.

>

> I hope you feel better soon.

>

> Hugs,

>

> oleander soup, barbara elenniss <bntelenniss@ >

> wrote:

> >

> > Hi All,

> >

> > I did oil pulling which helped a lot with the sinus', now it is just

> the earache. I put some olive oil

> > in the ear with a qtip, just a tad, barely warm, and let it drop off

> the qtip so i wasn't putting anything in my ear. Anyway so far that has

> not helped.

> >

> > Can Anyone help with an earache. I am doing all kinds of online

> searches.

> >

> > thanks,

> > barbara n germany

> >

>

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Re: sinus infection

Posted by: "rleeh2001"

rleeh2001

uretiresoon

Mon Nov 30, 2009 4:03 pm (PST)

I have heard that you must use garlic within the first 15 minutes or it is

totally useless.

In a message dated 11/30/2009 11:01:36 A.M. Pacific Standard Time,

caguerria (AT) hotmail (DOT) com writes:

Hello, regarding garlic, as we all know? It has health qualities. However

common sense must be the main consideration when using any food, herb, or

supplement. Always start slowly and in small quanties. Garlic needs to sit

for at least 15 minutes after chopping,grading, health qualities. However

common sense must be the main consideration when using any food, herb, or

supplement. Always start slowly and in small q

Sincerely,

Cypriano

____________ _________ _________ ______

oleander soup@ olea

bntelenniss@

Mon, 30 Nov 2009 09:47:23 -0800

Re: sinus infection

Shara,

Thanks,

I don't have any kind of Iodine, but I have garlic. I can eat garlic raw

anytime, love it, but I gotta tell

you the garlic I just had burned my mouth like it was going to take the

skin off. I did get a couple of pieces down using avacoda. That was the

hottest garlic I have ever had. LOL

But is sure opened my sinuses.

thanks,

barbara

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Re: sinus infection

oleander soup@ To:

Monday, November 30, 2009, 11:58 AM

Barbara,

I read that a couple of drops of povodone iodone (Betadine) in the ear

will clear up an ear infection a lot better than antibiotics. Also, chewing

raw garlic (if you can't chew it, do what I do....swallow chunks of cut

garlic!). Raw garlic took care of an abscessed tooth for my husband. It got

the swelling and infection down in 2 days, AND he's not had any trouble

with the tooth since...this was over a year ago.

Bless your heart and get well soon.

Shara

barbara elenniss <bntelenniss@ bntelenni>

oleander soup@ To:

Sun, Nov 29, 2009 11:18 pm

sinus infection

Hi All,

I did oil pulling which helped a lot with the sinus', now it is just the

earache. I put some olive oil

in the ear with a qtip, just a tad, barely warm, and let it drop off the

qtip so i wasn't putting anything in my ear. Anyway so far that has not

helped.

Can Anyone help with an earache. I am doing all kinds of online searches.

thanks,

barbara n germany

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Re: sinus infection

Posted by: "Maria"

mary1kon

Mon Nov 30, 2009 4:28 pm (PST)

Yes, 15 minutes after you shopped the garlic and has released the medicinal properties, you must consume it.

Hugs Mary

-

rleeh2001 (AT) aol (DOT) com

oleander soup

Tuesday, December 01, 2009 10:59 AM

Re: sinus infection

I have heard that you must use garlic within the first 15 minutes or it is totally useless.

In a message dated 11/30/2009 11:01:36 A.M. Pacific Standard Time, caguerria (AT) hotmail (DOT) com writes:

Hello, regarding garlic, as we all know? It has health qualities. However common sense must be the main consideration when using any food, herb, or supplement. Always start slowly and in small quanties. Garlic needs to sit for at least 15 minutes after chopping,grading, etc. to receive the full benefits it can give. As for the iodine issue why not get some sea vegetables such as nori, wakamii or or any others.

Sincerely,

Cypriano

------------ --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- -

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bntelenniss@

Mon, 30 Nov 2009 09:47:23 -0800

Re: sinus infection

Shara,

Thanks,

I don't have any kind of Iodine, but I have garlic. I can eat garlic raw anytime, love it, but I gotta tell

you the garlic I just had burned my mouth like it was going to take the skin off. I did get a couple of pieces down using avacoda. That was the hottest garlic I have ever had. LOL

But is sure opened my sinuses.

thanks,

barbara

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Re: sinus infection

oleander soup

Monday, November 30, 2009, 11:58 AM

Barbara,

I read that a couple of drops of povodone iodone (Betadine) in the ear will clear up an ear infection a lot better than antibiotics. Also, chewing raw garlic (if you can't chew it, do what I do....swallow chunks of cut garlic!). Raw garlic took care of an abscessed tooth for my husband It got the swelling and infection down in 2 days, AND he's not had any trouble with the tooth since...this was over a year ago.

Bless your heart and get well soon.

Shara

barbara elenniss <bntelenniss@ >

oleander soup

Sun, Nov 29, 2009 11:18 pm

sinus infection

Hi All,

I did oil pulling which helped a lot with the sinus', now it is just the earache. I put some olive oil

in the ear with a qtip, just a tad, barely warm, and let it drop off the qtip so i wasn't putting anything in my ear. Anyway so far that has not helped.

Can Anyone help with an earache. I am doing all kinds of online searches.

thanks,

barbara n germany

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Re: sinus infection

Posted by: "tita_mel"

tita_mel

Mon Nov 30, 2009 7:33 pm (PST)

Barbara

A drop or two of virgin coconut oil in the ear will also help as well as colloidal silver. I've done both and got relief.

Melly

oleander soup, barbara elenniss <bntelenniss@ ...> wrote:

>

> Hi All,

>

> I did oil pulling which helped a lot with the sinus', now it is just the earache. I put some olive oil

> in the ear with a qtip, just a tad, barely warm, and let it drop off the qtip so i wasn't putting anything in my ear. Anyway so far that has not helped.

>

> Can Anyone help with an earache. I am doing all kinds of online searches.

>

> thanks,

> barbara n germany

>

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Re: sinus infection

Posted by: "tita_mel"

tita_mel

Mon Nov 30, 2009 7:34 pm (PST)

Mary,Barbara

Virgin coconut oil (VCO) drops in nostils also help with sinusitis.

Melly

oleander soup, barbara elenniss <bntelenniss@ ...> wrote:

>

> HI,

>

> Thanks, but I do not have any of the essential oils you mentioned. I was getting better, looked like it would be fine by tomorrow and I could go to work. (It is night time here in Germany, now) Actually it is about 5AM and I have not slept much all night. I slept for a bit and work up with the other side hurting and now the sinus infectyion has moved to the other side and to my EAR.

> damn I am tired of this pain/discomfort and just being sick in general. I will be forced to go to a Dr. today as I cannot take it any longer.

>

> I put benetonite clay on my top gums which seemed to help with the first round, I have a small piece

> stuck in my ear, but only theoutside area as I dont want it to get stick. Then that just makes one more problem. I am taking the silver internaly, doing salt washes of the nose, but I feel like hell

>

> and of course my damn husband is out of the country as usual. Never home when I need him.

>

> Sorry to be so negative, but pain brings it on.

>

> Barbara N Germany

>

> --- On Sun, 11/29/09, Maria <mary1kon@.. .> wrote:

>

> Maria <mary1kon@.. .>

> Re: Re: Thanks all - Re: my mom died...

> oleander soup

> Sunday, November 29, 2009, 5:37 PM

>

> Hi Barbara.

>

> Yes Olivier post the group yestarday.

>

> Sorry to hear you are not feeling well , can i suggest something you can use for your sinus ? ok here it goes.

>

> 10 ml water

> 5 ml colloidal silver

> 5ml Hydrogen peroxide

> 3- drops Peppermint essential oil

> 3-drops Tea tree oil

> 3-drops Eucalyptus oil.

> Mix well in a spray bottle and use 2-3 times daily.

>

> This is my own mixture i use after i suffer a bad sinus last year, is not a cure but helps you to breath easier.

>

> Hope this help you a bit.

> Hugs Mary

>

> -

> barbara elenniss

> oleander soup

> Sunday, November 29, 2009 7:57 PM

> Re: Re: Thanks all - Re: my mom died...

>

> Has anyone heard from Oliver?

>

> I have been ill with a bad sinus infection so I have not diligently read the emails, however

> I haven't seen any post from him since his mother went home.

> I am concernd.

>

> Oliver if you read this, please post and let us know how you are doing.

>

> Barbara N Germany

>

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> robertselisa <robertselisa@ bellsouth. net>

> Re: Thanks all - Re: my mom died...

> oleander soup

> Saturday, November 28, 2009, 10:59 PM

>

> My heart-felt condolences. ..

>

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QUESTION ABOUT PREPARING THE SOUP

Posted by: "beeh2003"

beeh2003

Mon Nov 30, 2009 5:58 am (PST)

I am going to make up some oleander soup, a batch per se.

I have a question/s:

Can I use a crock pot, set it on high and let it cook the oleander clippings for 6 hours. Then strain out the clippings. Set it on high again, and reduce the liquids down to 50% of original.

Can I use a crock pot on high, for 6 hours or should it be longer?

During the second round, do I keep the lid on?

Bee

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Re: QUESTION ABOUT PREPARING THE SOUP

Posted by: "Maria"

mary1kon

Mon Nov 30, 2009 1:52 pm (PST)

Hi Bee. Go to Tony's site and you will find the recipe.

Good luck

Hugs Mary

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beeh2003

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Monday, November 30, 2009 2:36 PM

QUESTION ABOUT PREPARING THE SOUP

I am going to make up some oleander soup, a batch per se.

I have a question/s:

Can I use a crock pot, set it on high and let it cook the oleander clippings for 6 hours. Then strain out the clippings. Set it on high again, and reduce the liquids down to 50% of original.

Can I use a crock pot on high, for 6 hours or should it be longer?

During the second round, do I keep the lid on?

Bee

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Re: QUESTION ABOUT PREPARING THE SOUP

Posted by: " M"

luellamay129

Mon Nov 30, 2009 3:44 pm (PST)

Hi Bee,

I would follow the recipe exactly as outlined in the following link:

http://www.tbyil. com/oleander soup .htm

<http://www.tbyil. com/oleander soup .htm>

It specifies to use a 12 quart stainless steel or porcelain pot. Then

follow the exact directions. This will ensure your success in making

Oleandersoup.

My Best,

oleander soup, "beeh2003" <beeh2003@.. .> wrote:

>

> I am going to make up some oleander soup, a batch per se.

> I have a question/s:

> Can I use a crock pot, set it on high and let it cook the oleander

clippings for 6 hours. Then strain out the clippings. Set it on high

again, and reduce the liquids down to 50% of original.

> Can I use a crock pot on high, for 6 hours or should it be longer?

> During the second round, do I keep the lid on?

>

> Bee

>

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Re: oleander & licorice interactions?

Posted by: "ChristinaB"

wobblers

coeur_en_hiver

Mon Nov 30, 2009 9:27 am (PST)

Thanks so much, Marc, for your thoughtful and detailed response. It's very much appreciated. Today, we'll be able to try 2 caps.

Best,

Christina

oleander soup, "Marc Swanepoel - PhD" <marcswan@.. .> wrote:

>

> The toxicity of oleander is due to the cardiac glycosides. However, a properly filtered water extract of oleander is virtually free of the cardiac glycosides because they are NOT soluble in water. The effect of licorice in enhancing the toxic effects of oleander is thus not really applicable in the case of water extracts of oleander. In fact, the long term use of the oleander extract can slightly elevate potassium levels whereas licorice has the opposite effect, which is a good thing.

>

> There are other effects of licorice which are more important. A discussion of licorice from http://www.liverdis ease.com/ herbsother_ hepatitis. html states the following:

>

> "The active ingredients of licorice come from its roots and are believed by some to be due to glycyrrhizic acid, which also accounts for licorice's sweet taste. This acid functions similarly to the body's own naturally occurring hormone, aldosterone, which regulates salt and water in the body. Thus, side effects of licorice may include high blood pressure, water retention, and potassium depletion. It is important to avoid licorice during pregnancy. Also, people who have glaucoma, heart disease, or high blood pressure should avoid licorice.

> Licorice has been shown in some experimental studies to stimulate production of the body's natural supply of interferon. This may account for its popularity in Japan where it is sometimes used in the treatment of chronic viral hepatitis. When used intravenously, licorice has been demonstrated to lower liver enzymes. However, these results have not been confirmed, and some studies have concluded that licorice provides no beneficial effects on the liver in humans. Furthermore, it has been noted that if licorice is taken for more than one week, there is an increased risk of serious side effects, such as high blood pressure or dangerously low potassium levels. Sustained beneficial effects from licorice use have not been clearly demonstrated. The PDR for Herbal Medicines states that licorice is contraindicated (use is inadvisable) in people with chronic hepatitis, cholestatic liver disease, and cirrhosis. Licorice may contain iron and should therefore be

avoided by people with iron overload diseases, such as hemochromatosis and sometimes chronic hepatitis C. Licorice may interact adversely with the steroid drug prednisone. Prednisone is used in the treatment of autoimmune hepatitis (AIH) and after liver transplantation as an immunosuppressant. Licorice may cause levels of this steroid to become dangerously elevated, thereby resulting in low potassium levels as well as salt and water retention. Licorice can also counteract the effects of the water pill (diuretic) spironolactone, used in the treatment of ascites. Finally, licorice has been shown to decrease testosterone levels. Thus, men suffering from decreased libido, which can occur in people with cirrhosis, as a side effect of interferon therapy (for hepatitis C), and as a side effect of many antidepressive medications (such as Celexa), should avoid taking licorice".

>

> One of the effects of oleander is to increase the level of glutathione in the body. There are many skin lightening mixtures on the market containing both licorice and glutathione, which means the manufacturers are not too worried about contraindications there.

>

> Finally, if I have to chose between stopping licorice or oleander, I would rather stop taking the licorice.

>

> Marc Swanepoel

>

> -

> ChristinaB

> oleander soup

> Thursday, November 26, 2009 4:53 AM

> oleander & licorice interactions?

>

> I am thankful to Dr. Lanphier for this list of possible interactions (in her post below). But would appreciate any thoughts on using Sutherlandia OPC with a TCM supplement called "9405" which has licorice as one of its ingredients. Based on the dosage taken per day, it's about 300 mg of licorice that he'd be getting in possible conjunction with OPC Sutherlandia.

>

> Short history: Our dog Mukki was dx'd with bone cancer in Jan. of this year. Because he was almost 11 at the time (old for a great pyrenees) and because he had existing arthritis and mobility issues, we opted not to amputate and to treat holistically primarily with a combination of TCM, arte derivatives, and homeopathics (along with pain meds, one NSAID, a bisphosphonate, and various other supplements to support his immune system, including medicinal mushrooms).

>

> We tried Sutherlandia OPC in Aug. of this year and worked up to 2 pills per day. However, he seemed to not do as well, preferring to lie on his side for much of the day (as opposed to being alert and interested). He is on IP-6/Inositol & Butyrex as well. So we pulled him off the OPC and he seemed better.

>

> Now, however, after over 10 months of fabulous quality of life, he's limping on a different leg and the original tumor (on another leg) is starting to grow again. I suspect either the ART is no longer working for him, or the TCM is failing as he's now clearly in more pain. I realize there's an oleander group for Pets and am on there as well- but would very much appreciate feedback from this group as to interactions with licorice. I'm reluctant to take him off the "9405" (by Meditalent) because its primary ingredients (Ginsenoside Rh2, Cordyceps S, & Reishi) have been very helpful to Mukki's stamina & spirits. However, I feel that we may lose him soon if I don't bring in an active cancer fighter soon (other than just immune support).

>

> The full list of what he's on is here:

> http://dogmu. com/blog/ ?page_id= 13

>

> The above list is only missing the Jing Tang herbals & 2 homeopathics we added back in: Hecla Lava & Aurum. Jing Tang ingredients are here:

> http://dogmu. com/blog/ ?page_id= 30

> *Although just in the past 24 hours, we pulled Stasis Breaker after a consult with our acupuncturist as he believes it's too strong a formula and doesn't address the right kind of cancer (which has most likely metastasized by this point).

>

> While it may be his time, his spirit is still quite strong and I'm going to continue to try to trouble-shoot this for as much time as we're given. Thank you for any feedback or thoughts.

>

> Best,

> Christina

>

> oleander soup, "Dr. Loretta Lanphier" <drlanphier@ > wrote:

> >

> > Hi Mike

> >

> > Since your wife is on other natural products you may want to take a look at:

> > <http://www.mdanders on.org/departmen ts/cimer/ display.cfm? id=737870D0- 880E-48

> > 33-A3D564663545988F & method=displayF ull>

> > http://www.mdanders on.org/departmen ts/cimer/ display.cfm? id=737870D0- 880E-483

> > 3-A3D564663545988F & method=displayFu ll This is MD Anderson's

> > complimentary/ alternative medicine page about oleander. Anyone that is

> > using oleander needs to at least be aware of the following. Because I

> > respect the power of herbs, I understand the importance of knowing even the

> > "possibilities" of any interactions. I would imagine that they are erring

> > on the side of extreme caution but again, it's always better to educate

> > before medicating - even if it is natural medicine. Everyone is different

> > in their lifestyles and biochemistry so while one may react, someone else

> > may not.

> >

> > Interactions with Herbs and Dietary Supplements

> >

> > Common oleander and yellow oleander contain cardiac glycoside heart-active

> > substances. Herbs or supplements that may cause increased heart

> > effects/damage if taken with oleander include: adonis, balloon cotton, black

> > hellebore root/melampode, black Indian hemp, bushman's poison, cactus

> > grandifloris, convallaria, eyebright, figwort, foxglove/digitalis,

> > frangipani, hedge mustard, hemp root/Canadian hemp root, king's crown,

> > lily-of-the- valley, motherwort, pheasant's eye plant, plantain leaf,

> > pleurisy root, psyllium husks, redheaded cotton-bush, rhubarb root, rubber

> > vine, sea-mango, senna fruit, squill, strophanthus, uzara, wallflower,

> > wintersweet and yellow dock root. Notably, bufalin/Chan Suis is a Chinese

> > herbal formula that has been reported as toxic or fatal when taken with

> > cardiac glycosides.

> >

> > Toxic effects of oleander on the heart may be increased if used with calcium

> > supplements or herbs that lower potassium levels, such as licorice.

> > Potassium levels theoretically may be reduced by herbs and supplements with

> > laxative properties such as senna or psyllium, or herbs and supplements with

> > diuretic properties (increasing urine flow) such as artichoke, celery, corn

> > silk, couchgrass, dandelion, elder flower, horsetail, juniper berry, kava,

> > shepherd's purse, uva ursi, yarrow. Laxative herbs include alder buckthorn,

> > aloe dried leaf sap, black root, blue flag rhizome, butternut bark, dong

> > quai, European buckthorn, eyebright, cascara bark, castor oil, chasteberry,

> > colocynth fruit pulp, dandelion, gamboges bark, horsetail, jalap root, manna

> > bark, plantain leaf, podophyllum root, psyllium, rhubarb, senna, wild

> > cucumber fruit and yellow dock root.

> >

> > Be Well~

> > Loretta

> >

> > Tony's note: This is really good information to have, and I agree that it

> > they are likely erring on the side of extreme caution - especially since

> > there are virtually no records to be found anywhere of death or serious

> > injury as a result of taking the oleander medications, supplements and

> > remedies that have been discussed in this forum - and I would also point out

> > that an ethanol extraction of oleander is used for heart conditions in

> > Russia, as well as for vertigo.

> >

> > Nevertheless, it would be a good idea to not mix oleander with supplements

> > containing any of the listed herbs.

> >

> > Thanks for the information. - > >

> >

> > _____

> >

> > oleander soup [oleander soup] On

> > Behalf Of Mike Golden

> > Friday, April 25, 2008 3:36 PM

> > oleander soup

> > Re: The amazing number of cancer fighting and immune

> > boosting compounds in oleander

> >

> > Tony,

> >

> > My wife has metastatic breast cancer. Two years ago she had a mastectomy

> > with a TRAM reconstruction, but has never had chemotherapy or radiation.

> > She received her current diagnosis in late December. In the last eight

> > weeks we have been on a program of LDN, Cantron, Paw Paw and pulsed doses

> > of artemisinin at night (4 days on and three days off). We have been

> > observing the contraindications regarding nutrients that might work counter

> > to the ATP inhibition of the Cantron and Paw Paw. In the last few weeks

> > tumor markers in the blood have decreased 35 points (from 197), and the

> > tumors sites ache within 10 minutes of taking Cantron.

> > In your opinion, can Sutherlandia OPC (we have it) be combined with what we

> > are doing? From what I have read concerning the hypothetical mechanisms of

> > SOPC, it does not look like something that would have an effect of

> > stimulating electron transport, and that it might, therefore be compatible

> > with what we are already doing. I hope this is so.

> > Your thoughts?

> >

> > Thank you!

> >

> > Mike Golden, D.C.

> >

>

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Re: Study: Inositol Hexaphosphate (IP6) effective against bladder ca

Posted by: "ChristinaB"

wobblers

coeur_en_hiver

Mon Nov 30, 2009 9:40 am (PST)

Thank you Tony, for this citation. I notice on the Anti-Cancer Protocol, you don't recommend being on the intensive dosing of IP6 for more than a few months. I realize that some things don't lend themselves to great precision- but is a few months two? three?

Mukki started this back in mid-August at a maintenance level and we most likely upped it to the intense dose (4 caps, 2x/day) at the start of September so he'd have been on it for 3 months now.

Do you recommend a full stop? And then in a few weeks, back to a maintenance level of 2 caps, 2x/day? Or a switch to maintenance level now without a break?

We just recently re-started Sutherlandia OPC (2 days ago) and I know that Marc recommends using this in conjunction with IP6/Inositol. We are using the Cell Forte brand.

My thanks,

Christina

oleander soup, "TonyI" @. ..> wrote:

>

> Inositol Hexaphosphate (IP6): Modulation of Cell Cycle and Proliferation

> of Bladder Cancer in vitro

> Stanley Zaslau, Dale R. Riggs, Barbara J. Jackson, Can Talug, Stanley J.

> Kandzari

>

> Section of Urology, Department Of Surgery, Robert C. Byrd Health Science

> Center, West Virginia University, Morgantown, W. Va., USA

>

> Address of Corresponding Author

> <http://content. karger.com/ produktedb/ produkte. asp?doi=253371# AC>

>

> Curr Urol 2009;3:136-140 (DOI: 10.1159/000253371)

>

> Introduction: We hypothesized that inositol hexaphosphate (IP6) would

> modulate cell cycle and cellular growth in bladder cancer. Materials and

> Methods: Bladder cancer cell lines were treated with 2.5 or 4.5 mM/well

> IP6. Cell viability was measured by MTT at 24 and 48 h. Cell cycle

> analysis was measured by DNA staining and quantified by FACS analysis.

> Results: Cell growth was inhibited in the TCCSUP, HTB9 and T24 cells (p

> < 0.001) with the exception of the HTB9 cells at 24 h. G1 phase

> fractions increased in the TCCSUP and HTB9 cells, while S phase fraction

> was decreased (p < 0.001). G2 phase was decreased in the TCCSUP cells (p

> < 0.001). G1 phase fraction was decreased in the T24 line with 4.5 mMIP6

> (p < 0.001), while a significant increase in the S phase was observed in

> the T24 cells (p < 0.001). Conclusions: These results indicate that IP6

> is potentially a highly effective treatment for carcinoma of the

> bladder.

>

> Tony's Note: Inositol and inositol hexaphosphate (IP6) have been found

> to be effective against several forms of cancer, including prostate

> cancer - which is why it is recommended as an essential element in the

> suggested anti-cancer protocol <http://www.tbyil. com/anticancer. htm> .

>

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Re: Study: Inositol Hexaphosphate (IP6) effective against bladder ca

Posted by: "tita_mel"

tita_mel

Mon Nov 30, 2009 7:47 pm (PST)

I believe one good source of inositol is freshly harvested sap of the coconut florescence/ flower.