Guest guest Posted December 1, 2009 Report Share Posted December 1, 2009 I have just made a batch of soup. How does it compare? Anyone? It is a dark brown colour, about like a moderare strength black coffee. I filtered it twice through double coffee filter papers and it is quite clear. It is as bitter as gaul. I started with 1 teaspoon and it had a strong effect on my throat, causing some difficulty with swallowing, although not serious. I also felt a little nauseous over the next few hours. I have reduced the dose now to 1/2 teaspoon twice a day for the next few days to see if I get accustomed to it. I also measured my resting blood pressure. It rose from about 123/63 to 144/72 within minutes, then slowly declined over about the next 3 hours back to normal. My resting heart rate also rose from 68 to 88 and then declined also. I am trying it as a treatment for prostate cancer with which I have been recently diagnosed by biopsy. Any comments? See what's on at the movies in your area. Find out now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 1, 2009 Report Share Posted December 1, 2009 Ernest,What do you mean by difficulty swallowing? Did you feel any numbness or tingling on your lips, or mouth? If you did, this is a sign that the plant has been sprayed with insecticides. If this is the case, you should throw the soup out.Otherwise, it sounds like the soup was made correctly. With regard to your symptoms, stay at a low dose until your body adapts to it and you have no more symptoms. Then slowly increase, keeping an eye out for them. Don't be surprised if you should also get some diarrhea. Again, if this should happen, just go down on the dose and when it stops, increase gradually.oleander soup , Ernest McFarlane <geosci2001 wrote:>> I have just made a batch of soup. How does it compare? Anyone?> It is a dark brown colour, about like a moderare strength black coffee.> I filtered it twice through double coffee filter papers and it is quite clear.> It is as bitter as gaul.> I started with 1 teaspoon and it had a strong effect on my throat, causing some difficulty with swallowing, although not serious.> I also felt a little nauseous over the next few hours.> I have reduced the dose now to 1/2 teaspoon twice a day for the next few days to see if I get accustomed to it.> I also measured my resting blood pressure. It rose from about 123/63 to 144/72 within minutes, then slowly declined over about the next 3 hours back to normal.> My resting heart rate also rose from 68 to 88 and then declined also.> I am trying it as a treatment for prostate cancer with which I have been recently diagnosed by biopsy.> Any comments?> > > ________________________________> See what's on at the movies in your area. Find out now: http://au.movies./session-times/> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 2, 2009 Report Share Posted December 2, 2009 Did your BP and pulse measurements come after you took 1 teaspoon of after one of the half teaspoon doses? It is recommended that you start off at 1/4 to 1/2 teaspoon and work your way up slowly and you would really be better off filtering twice as much or more. Unless you feel a distinct numbness or tingling when you place it on your lips then you likely just have a strong extract you brewed up and the difficulty swallowing may be mostly a gag reflex. Unless you use a hydrometer or very sensitive weight scale to measure specific gravity (which is the way Dr. Ozel made his oleander extract that ultimately became Anvirzel), the strength of the extract using approximate volume measurements where you end up with about 30% of the original liquid and then dilute 50/50 with vodka (or apple cider vinegar) can vary widely from plant to plant, location to location. climate, time of the year and boiling temperature and time. I would recommend at least twice as much filtering as you did. The last "soup" I made up a few months ago turned out almost exactly as you described and it was/is quite potent too. I boiled it a bit longer than needed and then preserved it with about 20-30% colloidal silver, ended up getting a bit of precipitate and reboiled and strained again later on. It turned out looking like very strong tea or else slightly weak coffee and is probably double the normal potency (and thus doses should be halved, at least to start off with). Yes, it does taste truly nasty if take it by itself (such is the nature of oleander extract). Better by far to put half a dose under your tongue (where there are no taste buds), mix the other half with a cup of strong juice such as pomegranate or dark grape juice, and then use a gulp of the mix to chase the extract under your tongue. The taste will not be unpleasant then and the remaining mix in the cup will actually taste rather good. All the best, oleander soup , Ernest McFarlane <geosci2001 wrote:>> I have just made a batch of soup. How does it compare? Anyone?> It is a dark brown colour, about like a moderare strength black coffee.> I filtered it twice through double coffee filter papers and it is quite clear.> It is as bitter as gaul.> I started with 1 teaspoon and it had a strong effect on my throat, causing some difficulty with swallowing, although not serious.> I also felt a little nauseous over the next few hours.> I have reduced the dose now to 1/2 teaspoon twice a day for the next few days to see if I get accustomed to it.> I also measured my resting blood pressure. It rose from about 123/63 to 144/72 within minutes, then slowly declined over about the next 3 hours back to normal.> My resting heart rate also rose from 68 to 88 and then declined also.> I am trying it as a treatment for prostate cancer with which I have been recently diagnosed by biopsy.> Any comments?> > > ________________________________> See what's on at the movies in your area. Find out now: http://au.movies./session-times/> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 2, 2009 Report Share Posted December 2, 2009 Thanks Tony for your comments. The elevation of BP etc. came after I took 1 teaspoon of the filtrate, undiluted as yet with preservative, so I guess that was more likely equivalent to 2 teaspoons of your preservative diluted soup. I had no tingling of the lips or tongue. The swallowing effect was more like as though my throat was slightly swollen. Perhaps it was a slight allergic reaction. It lasted about 1/2 an hour. I did get elevation of BP etc with the 1/2 teaspoon dose also but less. I will refilter as you suggest and dilute with vinegar and continue with the 1/2 teaspoon dose twice a day for a while. oleander soup , "" wrote: > > > Did your BP and pulse measurements come after you took 1 teaspoon of > after one of the half teaspoon doses? It is recommended that you start > off at 1/4 to 1/2 teaspoon and work your way up slowly and you would > really be better off filtering twice as much or more. > > Unless you feel a distinct numbness or tingling when you place it on > your lips then you likely just have a strong extract you brewed up and > the difficulty swallowing may be mostly a gag reflex. Unless you use a > hydrometer or very sensitive weight scale to measure specific gravity > (which is the way Dr. Ozel made his oleander extract that ultimately > became Anvirzel), the strength of the extract using approximate volume > measurements where you end up with about 30% of the original liquid and > then dilute 50/50 with vodka (or apple cider vinegar) can vary widely > from plant to plant, location to location. climate, time of the year and > boiling temperature and time. I would recommend at least twice as much > filtering as you did. > > The last " soup " I made up a few months ago turned out almost exactly as > you described and it was/is quite potent too. I boiled it a bit longer > than needed and then preserved it with about 20-30% colloidal silver, > ended up getting a bit of precipitate and reboiled and strained again > later on. It turned out looking like very strong tea or else slightly > weak coffee and is probably double the normal potency (and thus doses > should be halved, at least to start off with). Yes, it does taste truly > nasty if take it by itself (such is the nature of oleander extract). > Better by far to put half a dose under your tongue (where there are no > taste buds), mix the other half with a cup of strong juice such as > pomegranate or dark grape juice, and then use a gulp of the mix to chase > the extract under your tongue. The taste will not be unpleasant then > and the remaining mix in the cup will actually taste rather good. > > All the best, > > > > > oleander soup , Ernest McFarlane <geosci2001@> > wrote: > > > > I have just made a batch of soup. How does it compare? Anyone? > > It is a dark brown colour, about like a moderare strength black > coffee. > > I filtered it twice through double coffee filter papers and it is > quite clear. > > It is as bitter as gaul. > > I started with 1 teaspoon and it had a strong effect on my throat, > causing some difficulty with swallowing, although not serious. > > I also felt a little nauseous over the next few hours. > > I have reduced the dose now to 1/2 teaspoon twice a day for the next > few days to see if I get accustomed to it. > > I also measured my resting blood pressure. It rose from about 123/63 > to 144/72 within minutes, then slowly declined over about the next 3 > hours back to normal. > > My resting heart rate also rose from 68 to 88 and then declined also. > > I am trying it as a treatment for prostate cancer with which I have > been recently diagnosed by biopsy. > > Any comments? > > > > > > > ______________________\ > __________ > > See what's on at the movies in your area. Find out now: > http://au.movies./session-times/ > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 2, 2009 Report Share Posted December 2, 2009 Thanks for your reply , I did not experience any tingling of the lips or tongue. The swallowing sensation was more akin to slight swelling in the throat. It lasted for about 1/2 an hour. Maybe a bit of allergy? Anyway I will refilter as suggested by Tony. Ernest. oleander soup , " M " <luellamay129 wrote: > > Ernest, > > What do you mean by difficulty swallowing? Did you feel any numbness or > tingling on your lips, or mouth? If you did, this is a sign that the > plant has been sprayed with insecticides. If this is the case, you > should throw the soup out. > > Otherwise, it sounds like the soup was made correctly. With regard to > your symptoms, stay at a low dose until your body adapts to it and you > have no more symptoms. Then slowly increase, keeping an eye out for > them. Don't be surprised if you should also get some diarrhea. Again, > if this should happen, just go down on the dose and when it stops, > increase gradually. > > > > oleander soup , Ernest McFarlane <geosci2001@> > wrote: > > > > I have just made a batch of soup. How does it compare? Anyone? > > It is a dark brown colour, about like a moderare strength black > coffee. > > I filtered it twice through double coffee filter papers and it is > quite clear. > > It is as bitter as gaul. > > I started with 1 teaspoon and it had a strong effect on my throat, > causing some difficulty with swallowing, although not serious. > > I also felt a little nauseous over the next few hours. > > I have reduced the dose now to 1/2 teaspoon twice a day for the next > few days to see if I get accustomed to it. > > I also measured my resting blood pressure. It rose from about 123/63 > to 144/72 within minutes, then slowly declined over about the next 3 > hours back to normal. > > My resting heart rate also rose from 68 to 88 and then declined also. > > I am trying it as a treatment for prostate cancer with which I have > been recently diagnosed by biopsy. > > Any comments? > > > > > > > ______________________\ > __________ > > See what's on at the movies in your area. Find out now: > http://au.movies./session-times/ > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 2, 2009 Report Share Posted December 2, 2009 There you have it then. You made what is probably a pretty strong extract and then jumped right in with fully four times the suggested beginning dose for normal strength extract. The more you filter, the less likely you are to experience some of the initial side effects many report (though most don't) such as headache, nausea or diarrhea due to the removal of large organic compounds which can cause those effects. You should be good to go if you filter a couple of times more, dilute your extract and begin with half a teaspoon of diluted extract and work your way up as the body becomes acclimated to increased doses. I have decided that 100 proof vodka is the best way to go and that if apple cider vinegar is used it should be the off the shelf distilled variety because it is a superior preservative, though not having the health benefits of organic non-distilled vinegar (you can always take some Braggs seperately). Colloidal silver may cause some precipitation, especially if refrigerated (I just keep my extract with the colloidal silver in a dark bottle in a closet). All the best, oleander soup , "geosci2001" <geosci2001 wrote:>> Thanks Tony for your comments. The elevation of BP etc. came after I took 1 teaspoon of the filtrate, undiluted as yet with preservative, so I guess that was more likely equivalent to 2 teaspoons of your preservative diluted soup. > I had no tingling of the lips or tongue. The swallowing effect was more like as though my throat was slightly swollen. Perhaps it was a slight allergic reaction. It lasted about 1/2 an hour.> I did get elevation of BP etc with the 1/2 teaspoon dose also but less.> I will refilter as you suggest and dilute with vinegar and continue with the 1/2 teaspoon dose twice a day for a while. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 2, 2009 Report Share Posted December 2, 2009 Tony---you miss-spoke a bit. The filter will remove organic debris but no normal paper filter will remove organic compounds. Bob R oleander soup oleander soup On Behalf Of TonyI Wednesday, December 02, 2009 2:54 PM oleander soup Re: Oleander soup There you have it then. You made what is probably a pretty strong extract and then jumped right in with fully four times the suggested beginning dose for normal strength extract. The more you filter, the less likely you are to experience some of the initial side effects many report (though most don't) such as headache, nausea or diarrhea due to the removal of large organic compounds which can cause those effects. You should be good to go if you filter a couple of times more, dilute your extract and begin with half a teaspoon of diluted extract and work your way up as the body becomes acclimated to increased doses. I have decided that 100 proof vodka is the best way to go and that if apple cider vinegar is used it should be the off the shelf distilled variety because it is a superior preservative, though not having the health benefits of organic non-distilled vinegar (you can always take some Braggs seperately). Colloidal silver may cause some precipitation, especially if refrigerated (I just keep my extract with the colloidal silver in a dark bottle in a closet). All the best, oleander soup , " geosci2001 " <geosci2001 wrote: > > Thanks Tony for your comments. The elevation of BP etc. came after I took 1 teaspoon of the filtrate, undiluted as yet with preservative, so I guess that was more likely equivalent to 2 teaspoons of your preservative diluted soup. > I had no tingling of the lips or tongue. The swallowing effect was more like as though my throat was slightly swollen. Perhaps it was a slight allergic reaction. It lasted about 1/2 an hour. > I did get elevation of BP etc with the 1/2 teaspoon dose also but less. > I will refilter as you suggest and dilute with vinegar and continue with the 1/2 teaspoon dose twice a day for a while. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 3, 2009 Report Share Posted December 3, 2009 I stand corrected. To be technically correct I should have more accurately stated that the coffee filters will remove organic debris and organic particles (which are themselves made up wholly or in part of organic compounds) and that the more filters that are used, the more particles that will be either filtered out via the small pores in the coffee filters or else absorbed into the filter material. Some organic particles range down to the 1 micron size range, though most tend to fall in the 5 micron up to hundreds of microns range. Consider that typical airborne particles range from 1 to 100 microns. The average particle size of coffee filters is anywhere from 5 to 100 microns. It would of course be preferable to use scientific filters of 4 microns or less, but multiple coffee filters will suffice. At one time, some folks only filtered once through a cloth towel when making their own oleander extract and then later on most people used paper towels stacked in mulitple collanders. We found that the greater filtrations of multiple coffee filters was preferable and that there was a distinct correlation between side effects and filtration due to some organic compounds (in particles) which made it more difficult for the body to handle - especially as regarded issues of nausea and diarrhea. People who use the multiple coffee filters report much less incidence of such side effects as is also the case with the patented medicine version, Anvirzel (and they use filters much smaller than 4 microns from what I have been told). My 86 year old uncle who beat metasticized lung cancer once tried a bottle of extract which was not properly filtered and he could not handle the nausea and diarrhea. He made his own with the coffee filters and had no problems. Likewise I have not heard him report any problems with SOPC in any form since it has been made by the pharmaceutical manufacturing company. I myself have never had a problem with taking oleander at all. oleander soup , "Bobby E Rehberg" <brehberg wrote:>> Tony---you miss-spoke a bit. The filter will remove organic debris but no> normal paper filter will remove organic compounds.> > > > Bob R Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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