oleander & licorice interactions?

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I am thankful to Dr. Lanphier for this list of possible interactions (in her

post below). But would appreciate any thoughts on using Sutherlandia OPC with a

TCM supplement called " 9405 " which has licorice as one of its ingredients. Based

on the dosage taken per day, it's about 300 mg of licorice that he'd be getting

in possible conjunction with OPC Sutherlandia.

 

Short history: Our dog Mukki was dx'd with bone cancer in Jan. of this year.

Because he was almost 11 at the time (old for a great pyrenees) and because he

had existing arthritis and mobility issues, we opted not to amputate and to

treat holistically primarily with a combination of TCM, arte derivatives, and

homeopathics (along with pain meds, one NSAID, a bisphosphonate, and various

other supplements to support his immune system, including medicinal mushrooms).

 

We tried Sutherlandia OPC in Aug. of this year and worked up to 2 pills per day.

However, he seemed to not do as well, preferring to lie on his side for much of

the day (as opposed to being alert and interested). He is on IP-6/Inositol &

Butyrex as well. So we pulled him off the OPC and he seemed better.

 

Now, however, after over 10 months of fabulous quality of life, he's limping on

a different leg and the original tumor (on another leg) is starting to grow

again. I suspect either the ART is no longer working for him, or the TCM is

failing as he's now clearly in more pain. I realize there's an oleander group

for Pets and am on there as well- but would very much appreciate feedback from

this group as to interactions with licorice. I'm reluctant to take him off the

" 9405 " (by Meditalent) because its primary ingredients (Ginsenoside Rh2,

Cordyceps S, & Reishi) have been very helpful to Mukki's stamina & spirits.

However, I feel that we may lose him soon if I don't bring in an active cancer

fighter soon (other than just immune support).

 

The full list of what he's on is here:

http://dogmu.com/blog/?page_id=13

 

The above list is only missing the Jing Tang herbals & 2 homeopathics we added

back in: Hecla Lava & Aurum. Jing Tang ingredients are here:

http://dogmu.com/blog/?page_id=30

*Although just in the past 24 hours, we pulled Stasis Breaker after a consult

with our acupuncturist as he believes it's too strong a formula and doesn't

address the right kind of cancer (which has most likely metastasized by this

point).

 

While it may be his time, his spirit is still quite strong and I'm going to

continue to try to trouble-shoot this for as much time as we're given. Thank you

for any feedback or thoughts.

 

Best,

Christina

 

oleander soup , " Dr. Loretta Lanphier " <drlanphier

wrote:

>

> Hi Mike

>

> Since your wife is on other natural products you may want to take a look at:

> <http://www.mdanderson.org/departments/cimer/display.cfm?id=737870D0-880E-48

> 33-A3D564663545988F & method=displayFull>

> http://www.mdanderson.org/departments/cimer/display.cfm?id=737870D0-880E-483

> 3-A3D564663545988F & method=displayFull This is MD Anderson's

> complimentary/alternative medicine page about oleander. Anyone that is

> using oleander needs to at least be aware of the following. Because I

> respect the power of herbs, I understand the importance of knowing even the

> " possibilities " of any interactions. I would imagine that they are erring

> on the side of extreme caution but again, it's always better to educate

> before medicating - even if it is natural medicine. Everyone is different

> in their lifestyles and biochemistry so while one may react, someone else

> may not.

>

>

>

> Interactions with Herbs and Dietary Supplements

>

> Common oleander and yellow oleander contain cardiac glycoside heart-active

> substances. Herbs or supplements that may cause increased heart

> effects/damage if taken with oleander include: adonis, balloon cotton, black

> hellebore root/melampode, black Indian hemp, bushman's poison, cactus

> grandifloris, convallaria, eyebright, figwort, foxglove/digitalis,

> frangipani, hedge mustard, hemp root/Canadian hemp root, king's crown,

> lily-of-the-valley, motherwort, pheasant's eye plant, plantain leaf,

> pleurisy root, psyllium husks, redheaded cotton-bush, rhubarb root, rubber

> vine, sea-mango, senna fruit, squill, strophanthus, uzara, wallflower,

> wintersweet and yellow dock root. Notably, bufalin/Chan Suis is a Chinese

> herbal formula that has been reported as toxic or fatal when taken with

> cardiac glycosides.

>

>

>

> Toxic effects of oleander on the heart may be increased if used with calcium

> supplements or herbs that lower potassium levels, such as licorice.

> Potassium levels theoretically may be reduced by herbs and supplements with

> laxative properties such as senna or psyllium, or herbs and supplements with

> diuretic properties (increasing urine flow) such as artichoke, celery, corn

> silk, couchgrass, dandelion, elder flower, horsetail, juniper berry, kava,

> shepherd's purse, uva ursi, yarrow. Laxative herbs include alder buckthorn,

> aloe dried leaf sap, black root, blue flag rhizome, butternut bark, dong

> quai, European buckthorn, eyebright, cascara bark, castor oil, chasteberry,

> colocynth fruit pulp, dandelion, gamboges bark, horsetail, jalap root, manna

> bark, plantain leaf, podophyllum root, psyllium, rhubarb, senna, wild

> cucumber fruit and yellow dock root.

>

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>

>

>

> Be Well~

> Loretta

>

>

>

>

> Tony's note: This is really good information to have, and I agree that it

> they are likely erring on the side of extreme caution - especially since

> there are virtually no records to be found anywhere of death or serious

> injury as a result of taking the oleander medications, supplements and

> remedies that have been discussed in this forum - and I would also point out

> that an ethanol extraction of oleander is used for heart conditions in

> Russia, as well as for vertigo.

>

>

>

> Nevertheless, it would be a good idea to not mix oleander with supplements

> containing any of the listed herbs.

>

>

>

> Thanks for the information. - >

>

>

>

>

> _____

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> Behalf Of Mike Golden

> Friday, April 25, 2008 3:36 PM

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> Re: The amazing number of cancer fighting and immune

> boosting compounds in oleander

>

>

>

> Tony,

>

> My wife has metastatic breast cancer. Two years ago she had a mastectomy

> with a TRAM reconstruction, but has never had chemotherapy or radiation.

> She received her current diagnosis in late December. In the last eight

> weeks we have been on a program of LDN, Cantron, Paw Paw and pulsed doses

> of artemisinin at night (4 days on and three days off). We have been

> observing the contraindications regarding nutrients that might work counter

> to the ATP inhibition of the Cantron and Paw Paw. In the last few weeks

> tumor markers in the blood have decreased 35 points (from 197), and the

> tumors sites ache within 10 minutes of taking Cantron.

> In your opinion, can Sutherlandia OPC (we have it) be combined with what we

> are doing? From what I have read concerning the hypothetical mechanisms of

> SOPC, it does not look like something that would have an effect of

> stimulating electron transport, and that it might, therefore be compatible

> with what we are already doing. I hope this is so.

> Your thoughts?

>

> Thank you!

>

> Mike Golden, D.C.

>