Guest guest Posted November 20, 2009 Report Share Posted November 20, 2009 I'm somewhat a newbie to the world of oleander, it's benefits, dosing - and side effects. I am currently taking the product offered via Alpha Omega labs (seemed an easier route - and Oleander Plants are a hard item to source in Salt Lake City). Thus far I have noted some very positive benefits - some I gather from immunomodulation, and others the side effects and calming from the cardio glycosides. WHich leads me to my next question(s) - Side Effects. I appear to be quite sensitive to dosage: The net effect being a lowered pulse, some dyspnea, some restlessness, and a " feeling " like I need to pace - move - stay active, etc to keep from fainting. I attribute a portion of this to a " panic " reaction I have always had when I feel like im going to loose control or consciousness. 3 weeks down and Im still breathing though! - and am overall feeling well. The dosage calls for 1/2 tsp 3X a day. Sometimes (and if on an empty stomach) that seems too much - too quickly and I have a " reaction " (with the above symptoms) that occurs between 15-75 minutes later... *sigh* ALso the reaction seems more random, as in it doesnt always occur, the intensity varies, the onset varies, and the duration varies. I do use the bob beck protocol too - but am carefull to not do any pulsing (or electrification) within about 6 hrs of taking oleander - and 2 hrs after. Thoughts anyone??? I do plan to continue taking the Oleander, as I know its doing good... Jack Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 20, 2009 Report Share Posted November 20, 2009 Hi Jack,I am really not familiar with the product that Alpha Omega Labs offers. However, when you began taking this supplement, did you begin with the full dosage or gradually increase? A suggestion would be to start at the lowest dose and increase gradually, keeping an eye out for the symptoms.My Best,oleander soup , "speakernut" <speakernut wrote:>> I'm somewhat a newbie to the world of oleander, it's benefits, dosing - and side effects. > > I am currently taking the product offered via Alpha Omega labs (seemed an easier route - and Oleander Plants are a hard item to source in Salt Lake City).> > Thus far I have noted some very positive benefits - some I gather from immunomodulation, and others the side effects and calming from the cardio glycosides. WHich leads me to my next question(s) - Side Effects.> > I appear to be quite sensitive to dosage: The net effect being a lowered pulse, some dyspnea, some restlessness, and a "feeling" like I need to pace - move - stay active, etc to keep from fainting. I attribute a portion of this to a "panic" reaction I have always had when I feel like im going to loose control or consciousness. 3 weeks down and Im still breathing though! - and am overall feeling well.> > The dosage calls for 1/2 tsp 3X a day. Sometimes (and if on an empty stomach) that seems too much - too quickly and I have a "reaction" (with the above symptoms) that occurs between 15-75 minutes later... *sigh* ALso the reaction seems more random, as in it doesnt always occur, the intensity varies, the onset varies, and the duration varies.> > I do use the bob beck protocol too - but am carefull to not do any pulsing (or electrification) within about 6 hrs of taking oleander - and 2 hrs after.> > Thoughts anyone??? I do plan to continue taking the Oleander, as I know its doing good...> > Jack> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 20, 2009 Report Share Posted November 20, 2009 Are you taking their less expensive (by far) graviola and oleander mix? Their oleander content may be a bit high and there has been some concerns posted here about graviola interfering with the actions of oleander due to graviola lowering cellular activity while the oleander greatly stimulates immune and cell activity. The cardiac glycosides in oleander normally have just the opposite effect as lowering pulse rate and calming - although the amount of cardiac glycoside in oleander extract via an aqueous extraction method (as is the case with Sutherlandia OPC, Rose Laurel OPC Plus and homemade "oleander soup") are quite tiny and the effects should be minimal. Nausea is a fairly common side effect, at least at the outset. It usually passes as the body becomes acclimated. It is always best to start with small amounts and work your way up as the body becomes used to the oleander. Also, scroll back and you will find some suggestions posted here for helping offset nausea. All the best, oleander soup , "speakernut" <speakernut wrote:>> I'm somewhat a newbie to the world of oleander, it's benefits, dosing - and side effects. > > I am currently taking the product offered via Alpha Omega labs (seemed an easier route - and Oleander Plants are a hard item to source in Salt Lake City).> > Thus far I have noted some very positive benefits - some I gather from immunomodulation, and others the side effects and calming from the cardio glycosides. WHich leads me to my next question(s) - Side Effects.> > I appear to be quite sensitive to dosage: The net effect being a lowered pulse, some dyspnea, some restlessness, and a "feeling" like I need to pace - move - stay active, etc to keep from fainting. I attribute a portion of this to a "panic" reaction I have always had when I feel like im going to loose control or consciousness. 3 weeks down and Im still breathing though! - and am overall feeling well.> > The dosage calls for 1/2 tsp 3X a day. Sometimes (and if on an empty stomach) that seems too much - too quickly and I have a "reaction" (with the above symptoms) that occurs between 15-75 minutes later... *sigh* ALso the reaction seems more random, as in it doesnt always occur, the intensity varies, the onset varies, and the duration varies.> > I do use the bob beck protocol too - but am carefull to not do any pulsing (or electrification) within about 6 hrs of taking oleander - and 2 hrs after.> > Thoughts anyone??? I do plan to continue taking the Oleander, as I know its doing good...> > Jack> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 20, 2009 Report Share Posted November 20, 2009 Is it necessary to do both graviola and oleander together rather than just choosing one or the other?BetsyTonyI oleander soup Sent: Fri, November 20, 2009 4:00:53 PM Re: Dosing Are you taking their less expensive (by far) graviola and oleander mix? Their oleander content may be a bit high and there has been some concerns posted here about graviola interfering with the actions of oleander due to graviola lowering cellular activity while the oleander greatly stimulates immune and cell activity. The cardiac glycosides in oleander normally have just the opposite effect as lowering pulse rate and calming - although the amount of cardiac glycoside in oleander extract via an aqueous extraction method (as is the case with Sutherlandia OPC, Rose Laurel OPC Plus and homemade "oleander soup") are quite tiny and the effects should be minimal. Nausea is a fairly common side effect, at least at the outset. It usually passes as the body becomes acclimated. It is always best to start with small amounts and work your way up as the body becomes used to the oleander. Also, scroll back and you will find some suggestions posted here for helping offset nausea. All the best, Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 20, 2009 Report Share Posted November 20, 2009 Thanks to both You and for the prompt reply. I am taking their lower cost option that includes graviola. I was largely unaware of what effects if any Graviola has. Aside from "day 1" (where I took too much - like about 1 tsp initially) I have followed their dosing directions (or have taken less). The only side effects I have noticed are cardiogenic: No nausea, no diarrhea, nothing. Perhaps my Bob Beck Protocol has interferred somewhat, as the electroporation they claim it can cause is purportedly able to make medicines, etc have up to 50X their potency otherwise... *shrug* Maybe I will buy me an Oly plant when im in Phx next month and just make my own - or Ill try the SUtherlandia brand. Thanks for all you do!!!! Jack--- On Fri, 11/20/09, wrote: TonyI Re: Dosingoleander soup Date: Friday, November 20, 2009, 10:00 PM Are you taking their less expensive (by far) graviola and oleander mix? Their oleander content may be a bit high and there has been some concerns posted here about graviola interfering with the actions of oleander due to graviola lowering cellular activity while the oleander greatly stimulates immune and cell activity. The cardiac glycosides in oleander normally have just the opposite effect as lowering pulse rate and calming - although the amount of cardiac glycoside in oleander extract via an aqueous extraction method (as is the case with Sutherlandia OPC, Rose Laurel OPC Plus and homemade "oleander soup") are quite tiny and the effects should be minimal. Nausea is a fairly common side effect, at least at the outset. It usually passes as the body becomes acclimated. It is always best to start with small amounts and work your way up as the body becomes used to the oleander. Also, scroll back and you will find some suggestions posted here for helping offset nausea. All the best, oleander soup, "speakernut" <speakernut@. ..> wrote:>> I'm somewhat a newbie to the world of oleander, it's benefits, dosing - and side effects. > > I am currently taking the product offered via Alpha Omega labs (seemed an easier route - and Oleander Plants are a hard item to source in Salt Lake City).> > Thus far I have noted some very positive benefits - some I gather from immunomodulation, and others the side effects and calming from the cardio glycosides. WHich leads me to my next question(s) - Side Effects.> > I appear to be quite sensitive to dosage: The net effect being a lowered pulse, some dyspnea, some restlessness, and a "feeling" like I need to pace - move - stay active, etc to keep from fainting. I attribute a portion of this to a "panic" reaction I have always had when I feel like im going to loose control or consciousness. 3 weeks down and Im still breathing though! - and am overall feeling well.> > The dosage calls for 1/2 tsp 3X a day. Sometimes (and if on an empty stomach) that seems too much - too quickly and I have a "reaction" (with the above symptoms) that occurs between 15-75 minutes later... *sigh* ALso the reaction seems more random, as in it doesnt always occur, the intensity varies, the onset varies, and the duration varies.> > I do use the bob beck protocol too - but am carefull to not do any pulsing (or electrification) within about 6 hrs of taking oleander - and 2 hrs after.> > Thoughts anyone??? I do plan to continue taking the Oleander, as I know its doing good...> > Jack> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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