Guest guest Posted November 19, 2009 Report Share Posted November 19, 2009 Natural Help for Ascites by Tony Isaacs Ascites, also known as dropsy or abdominal dropsy, is a physical disorder where someone suffers from accumulation of fluid in the abdominal cavity. Ascites can be caused by liver disease and common side effect of alcoholism, chronic infection of viral hepatitis, or the abusive use of intravenous drugs. Otherwise, tumors, obstruction in portal vein etc., may lead to Ascites.Successful treatment of Ascites should include a professional diagnosis and then treatment of the cause of the Ascites (preferably naturopathic treatment once the diagnosis has been completed). Here are a few simple herbal remedies which may help:Garlic can play a big role in curing the problem of ascites. Add ½ teaspoon of fresh garlic juice to 125 ml of water and consume it two times per day. This garlic juice treated water should be consumed for 2-3 weeks for best result by the ascites patients at regular basis.Regular consumption of bitter melon (bitter gourd) root juice helps in prompt recovery of the complications imposed by ascites, Take 25 ml at least three times per day in dilute condition.Paurnava has been found to be especially effective against ascites. Pound the dried roots of punarnava to make a powder. Take approx. 1 tsp twice along with lukewarm water.Apocynum is an outstanding herb for the treatment of dropsy and/or where the urine is scanty and high-colored, and the bowels are constipated, and where the heart's action is feeble. Put 15-30 drops in four ounces of water, and a teaspoonful of this will be given every hour. If the system does not respond to the specific tincture, do not discard the remedy, but administer the distillate of apocynum (apocandle) in from thirty to sixty drop doses every three or four hours. Should the kidney and bowels fail to respond to this, then add some ground apocynum root to the decoction. Adding the root is actually the most efficient form of the decoction, but it can be so nauseating that many cannot take enough to get the best results. Try beginning with 5 drops and slowly increasing until the limit of toleration is reached, which is usually 30 to 40 drops.The juice of fresh radish leaves has been found to be very beneficial in the controlling the intensity of ascites. Mix the juice of the leaves of radish plant with water.Overnight water soaked fenugreek seeds' decoction helps in curing the patients suffering from complications of ascites, however, for better result, this simple herbal cure remedy should be practiced in the morning in empty stomach.Consumption of melon at regular basis is helpful for natural treatment of ascites. Melon helps actively in smooth digestion and restore normalcy in fluid balancing as well as for homeostasis.Carrot juice and buttermilk are beneficial. They can play a vital role in restoring energy in the body, along with not adding to the accumulated fluid levels.Take 25 gm of the herb named gram. Boil it in one fourth liter of water until the water is reduced to half the original volume. Strain the liquid. You will have to drink this for at least 3 weeks.Take 120 mg of the powder of kutaki once or twice a day along with warm water.Prepare a powder by pounding together the 3 myrobalans (aamla, harad and baheda) in equal quantities and take 1 tsp along with a decoction of punarnava roots or the arka of punarnava.Apis is a good remedy where there is smarting or burning sensation in voiding water.Aralia Hispida is another valuable diuretic, and should not be overlooked in ascites. The best results are obtained from the infusion. It should be given every two or three hours.Polytrichum Juniperum used as a diuretic infusion is one of the best remedies. As should be the case with all infusions unless otherwise directed, take one to two teaspoons of dried herb (or two to four teaspoons of fresh herb) and place in a cup of hot water for approximately ten minutes and then strain.Chimaphila is another good vegetable diuretic, and, like the remedies already mentioned, should, be used as an infusion.Strophanthus frequently out-performs other remedies. Use thirty drops to a half glass of water and take a teaspoonful every hour.Sometimes when the system fails to respond to other suggested remedies, relief may be found from the the compound powder of jalap and the bitartrate of potassium, in dram doses every three, four, or five hours, until we get two, three, or four copious stools in twenty-four hours.Elaterium in one-sixth or one-eighth grain doses, combined with potassium bitartrate, is also an efficient combination.Avoic consumption of excessive water. In case of abnormal thirst, drink small amount of milk (raw organic goats milk is the healthiest option) at room temperature in small sips.Sources included: www.in.88db.com/chennai/html/images/articles/health/Ascites.htmlwww.goherbalremedies.com/blog/natural-cure-treatment-of-ascites/www.henriettesherbal.com/eclectic/thomas/ascites.html Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 1, 2009 Report Share Posted December 1, 2009 Hi Tony, > Overnight water soaked fenugreek seeds' decoction helps in curing > the patients suffering from complications of ascites, however, for > better result, this simple herbal cure remedy should be practiced in the > morning in empty stomach. How much fenugreek seeds are needed and how much water? How long does it take for these natural remedies to work? I have tried the garlic juice and the Strophanthus for the last 3 days with no effect. Any suggestions? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 1, 2009 Report Share Posted December 1, 2009 Hi Tony, > Overnight water soaked fenugreek seeds' decoction helps in curing > the patients suffering from complications of ascites, however, for > better result, this simple herbal cure remedy should be practiced in the > morning in empty stomach. How much fenugreek seeds are needed and how much water? How long does it take for these natural remedies to work? I have tried the garlic juice and the Strophanthus for the last 3 days with no effect. Any suggestions? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 2, 2009 Report Share Posted December 2, 2009 Hi Infomcf. I'm not Tony but i will but in here for a second, usually we use 1 teaspoon herb or seeds for every cup of water, unless Tony come in and corrects me. Also Parsley seeds and leaves are diuretic and will help. Plus put your moms feet in a bucket, then add a kilo of salt for 1/2 an hour then dont wash of, just dry the feet put on warm socks and go to bed, the salt will draw out all the water that does not belong in the body. Do not throw the salt out, just dry it flat on a news paper or cloth because it will be full of moistier. You can reuse the salt for 3 more times, then you throw it out as it will be full of toxins. You do this once a day for 3 days, monday- wednesday- friday , you relax and start again until you see results. Good luck, and if you use this method let us know if it worked for you. Hugs Mary - infomcf oleander soup Wednesday, December 02, 2009 10:53 AM Re: Natural Help for Ascites Hi Tony,> Overnight water soaked fenugreek seeds' decoction helps in curing> the patients suffering from complications of ascites, however, for> better result, this simple herbal cure remedy should be practiced in the> morning in empty stomach.How much fenugreek seeds are needed and how much water? How long does it take for these natural remedies to work?I have tried the garlic juice and the Strophanthus for the last 3 days with no effect. Any suggestions? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 2, 2009 Report Share Posted December 2, 2009 Hi Mary, What type of salt should we use? Thanks for your help Marie oleander soup , " Maria " <mary1kon wrote: > > Hi Infomcf. > > I'm not Tony but i will but in here for a second, usually we use 1 teaspoon herb or seeds for every cup of water, unless Tony come in and corrects me. > > Also Parsley seeds and leaves are diuretic and will help. > > Plus put your moms feet in a bucket, then add a kilo of salt for 1/2 an hour then dont wash of, just dry the feet put on warm socks and go to bed, the salt will draw out all the water that does not belong in the body. > > Do not throw the salt out, just dry it flat on a news paper or cloth because it will be full of moistier. You can reuse the salt for 3 more times, then you throw it out as it will be full of toxins. > > You do this once a day for 3 days, monday- wednesday- friday , you relax and start again until you see results. > > Good luck, and if you use this method let us know if it worked for you. > Hugs Mary > > > - > infomcf > oleander soup > Wednesday, December 02, 2009 10:53 AM > Re: Natural Help for Ascites > > > > Hi Tony, > > > Overnight water soaked fenugreek seeds' decoction helps in curing > > the patients suffering from complications of ascites, however, for > > better result, this simple herbal cure remedy should be practiced in the > > morning in empty stomach. > > How much fenugreek seeds are needed and how much water? How long does it take for these natural remedies to work? > > I have tried the garlic juice and the Strophanthus for the last 3 days with no effect. Any suggestions? > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 2, 2009 Report Share Posted December 2, 2009 Home and natural remedies often take time, especially for conditions that took time to develope. For example, a fatty liver may take months and months to remedy with diets, herbs and other supplements as can excess weight. The key is to be persistent and consistent and not give up. I speak from personal experience! A couple of tablespoons of fenugreek seeds either soaked overnight or gentlly boiled for a few minutes should be about right. Strain and filter the liquid and drink it down. As an alternative you can soak a few seeds in about a teaspoon or so of water and drink that down as well as chew up and swallow the seeds. Don't give up on the garlic or other remedies too quickly! All the best, oleander soup , "infomcf" <infomcf wrote:>> Hi Tony,> > > Overnight water soaked fenugreek seeds' decoction helps in curing> > the patients suffering from complications of ascites, however, for> > better result, this simple herbal cure remedy should be practiced in the> > morning in empty stomach.> > How much fenugreek seeds are needed and how much water? How long does it take for these natural remedies to work?> > I have tried the garlic juice and the Strophanthus for the last 3 days with no effect. Any suggestions?> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 2, 2009 Report Share Posted December 2, 2009 Hi Marie. Any cooking sea salt will do, but no rock salt as it will hurt the feet . Unless of course you can affort to buy Celtic sea salt which is the best. Good luck. Hugs Mary - infomcf oleander soup Wednesday, December 02, 2009 12:20 PM Re: Natural Help for Ascites Hi Mary,What type of salt should we use?Thanks for your helpMarieoleander soup , "Maria" <mary1kon wrote:>> Hi Infomcf.> > I'm not Tony but i will but in here for a second, usually we use 1 teaspoon herb or seeds for every cup of water, unless Tony come in and corrects me.> > Also Parsley seeds and leaves are diuretic and will help.> > Plus put your moms feet in a bucket, then add a kilo of salt for 1/2 an hour then dont wash of, just dry the feet put on warm socks and go to bed, the salt will draw out all the water that does not belong in the body.> > Do not throw the salt out, just dry it flat on a news paper or cloth because it will be full of moistier. You can reuse the salt for 3 more times, then you throw it out as it will be full of toxins.> > You do this once a day for 3 days, monday- wednesday- friday , you relax and start again until you see results.> > Good luck, and if you use this method let us know if it worked for you.> Hugs Mary> > > - > infomcf > oleander soup > Wednesday, December 02, 2009 10:53 AM> Re: Natural Help for Ascites> > > > Hi Tony,> > > Overnight water soaked fenugreek seeds' decoction helps in curing> > the patients suffering from complications of ascites, however, for> > better result, this simple herbal cure remedy should be practiced in the> > morning in empty stomach.> > How much fenugreek seeds are needed and how much water? How long does it take for these natural remedies to work?> > I have tried the garlic juice and the Strophanthus for the last 3 days with no effect. Any suggestions?> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 2, 2009 Report Share Posted December 2, 2009 Hi Mary, When you put the kilo of salt in the bucket do you add a little water? Melly oleander soup , " Maria " <mary1kon wrote: > > Hi Infomcf. > > I'm not Tony but i will but in here for a second, usually we use 1 teaspoon herb or seeds for every cup of water, unless Tony come in and corrects me. > > Also Parsley seeds and leaves are diuretic and will help. > > Plus put your moms feet in a bucket, then add a kilo of salt for 1/2 an hour then dont wash of, just dry the feet put on warm socks and go to bed, the salt will draw out all the water that does not belong in the body. > > Do not throw the salt out, just dry it flat on a news paper or cloth because it will be full of moistier. You can reuse the salt for 3 more times, then you throw it out as it will be full of toxins. > > You do this once a day for 3 days, monday- wednesday- friday , you relax and start again until you see results. > > Good luck, and if you use this method let us know if it worked for you. > Hugs Mary > > > - > infomcf > oleander soup > Wednesday, December 02, 2009 10:53 AM > Re: Natural Help for Ascites > > > > Hi Tony, > > > Overnight water soaked fenugreek seeds' decoction helps in curing > > the patients suffering from complications of ascites, however, for > > better result, this simple herbal cure remedy should be practiced in the > > morning in empty stomach. > > How much fenugreek seeds are needed and how much water? How long does it take for these natural remedies to work? > > I have tried the garlic juice and the Strophanthus for the last 3 days with no effect. Any suggestions? > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 2, 2009 Report Share Posted December 2, 2009 Hi Melly. No, you use the salt to help draw fuid and toxins out of the body, wet salt want do as you re use the salt again after you dry it out. Hope this answers your question. Hugs Mary - tita_mel oleander soup Wednesday, December 02, 2009 3:01 PM Re: Natural Help for Ascites Hi Mary,When you put the kilo of salt in the bucket do you add a little water?Mellyoleander soup , "Maria" <mary1kon wrote:>> Hi Infomcf.> > I'm not Tony but i will but in here for a second, usually we use 1 teaspoon herb or seeds for every cup of water, unless Tony come in and corrects me.> > Also Parsley seeds and leaves are diuretic and will help.> > Plus put your moms feet in a bucket, then add a kilo of salt for 1/2 an hour then dont wash of, just dry the feet put on warm socks and go to bed, the salt will draw out all the water that does not belong in the body.> > Do not throw the salt out, just dry it flat on a news paper or cloth because it will be full of moistier. You can reuse the salt for 3 more times, then you throw it out as it will be full of toxins.> > You do this once a day for 3 days, monday- wednesday- friday , you relax and start again until you see results.> > Good luck, and if you use this method let us know if it worked for you.> Hugs Mary> > > - > infomcf > oleander soup > Wednesday, December 02, 2009 10:53 AM> Re: Natural Help for Ascites> > > > Hi Tony,> > > Overnight water soaked fenugreek seeds' decoction helps in curing> > the patients suffering from complications of ascites, however, for> > better result, this simple herbal cure remedy should be practiced in the> > morning in empty stomach.> > How much fenugreek seeds are needed and how much water? How long does it take for these natural remedies to work?> > I have tried the garlic juice and the Strophanthus for the last 3 days with no effect. Any suggestions?> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 2, 2009 Report Share Posted December 2, 2009 Mary, Thank you for the clarification. I got you, no water so salt is also reusable. This is a great treatment for detox. Melly oleander soup , " Maria " <mary1kon wrote: > > Hi Melly. > > No, you use the salt to help draw fuid and toxins out of the body, wet salt want do as you re use the salt again after you dry it out. > > Hope this answers your question. > Hugs Mary > - > tita_mel > oleander soup > Wednesday, December 02, 2009 3:01 PM > Re: Natural Help for Ascites > > > > Hi Mary, > > When you put the kilo of salt in the bucket do you add a little water? > Melly > > oleander soup , " Maria " <mary1kon@> wrote: > > > > Hi Infomcf. > > > > I'm not Tony but i will but in here for a second, usually we use 1 teaspoon herb or seeds for every cup of water, unless Tony come in and corrects me. > > > > Also Parsley seeds and leaves are diuretic and will help. > > > > Plus put your moms feet in a bucket, then add a kilo of salt for 1/2 an hour then dont wash of, just dry the feet put on warm socks and go to bed, the salt will draw out all the water that does not belong in the body. > > > > Do not throw the salt out, just dry it flat on a news paper or cloth because it will be full of moistier. You can reuse the salt for 3 more times, then you throw it out as it will be full of toxins. > > > > You do this once a day for 3 days, monday- wednesday- friday , you relax and start again until you see results. > > > > Good luck, and if you use this method let us know if it worked for you. > > Hugs Mary > > > > > > - > > infomcf > > oleander soup > > Wednesday, December 02, 2009 10:53 AM > > Re: Natural Help for Ascites > > > > > > > > Hi Tony, > > > > > Overnight water soaked fenugreek seeds' decoction helps in curing > > > the patients suffering from complications of ascites, however, for > > > better result, this simple herbal cure remedy should be practiced in the > > > morning in empty stomach. > > > > How much fenugreek seeds are needed and how much water? How long does it take for these natural remedies to work? > > > > I have tried the garlic juice and the Strophanthus for the last 3 days with no effect. Any suggestions? > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 2, 2009 Report Share Posted December 2, 2009 Yep, you can even use it in the bathtub for the whole body , but you need a lot of salt lol. Hugs Mary - tita_mel oleander soup Thursday, December 03, 2009 6:23 AM Re: Natural Help for Ascites Mary,Thank you for the clarification. I got you, no water so salt is also reusable. This is a great treatment for detox.Mellyoleander soup , "Maria" <mary1kon wrote:>> Hi Melly.> > No, you use the salt to help draw fuid and toxins out of the body, wet salt want do as you re use the salt again after you dry it out.> > Hope this answers your question.> Hugs Mary> - > tita_mel > oleander soup > Wednesday, December 02, 2009 3:01 PM> Re: Natural Help for Ascites> > > > Hi Mary,> > When you put the kilo of salt in the bucket do you add a little water?> Melly> > oleander soup , "Maria" <mary1kon@> wrote:> >> > Hi Infomcf.> > > > I'm not Tony but i will but in here for a second, usually we use 1 teaspoon herb or seeds for every cup of water, unless Tony come in and corrects me.> > > > Also Parsley seeds and leaves are diuretic and will help.> > > > Plus put your moms feet in a bucket, then add a kilo of salt for 1/2 an hour then dont wash of, just dry the feet put on warm socks and go to bed, the salt will draw out all the water that does not belong in the body.> > > > Do not throw the salt out, just dry it flat on a news paper or cloth because it will be full of moistier. You can reuse the salt for 3 more times, then you throw it out as it will be full of toxins.> > > > You do this once a day for 3 days, monday- wednesday- friday , you relax and start again until you see results.> > > > Good luck, and if you use this method let us know if it worked for you.> > Hugs Mary> > > > > > - > > infomcf > > oleander soup > > Wednesday, December 02, 2009 10:53 AM> > Re: Natural Help for Ascites> > > > > > > > Hi Tony,> > > > > Overnight water soaked fenugreek seeds' decoction helps in curing> > > the patients suffering from complications of ascites, however, for> > > better result, this simple herbal cure remedy should be practiced in the> > > morning in empty stomach.> > > > How much fenugreek seeds are needed and how much water? How long does it take for these natural remedies to work?> > > > I have tried the garlic juice and the Strophanthus for the last 3 days with no effect. Any suggestions?> >> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 3, 2009 Report Share Posted December 3, 2009 Hi Mary, I tried putting his feet in the salt tonight but there didnt seem to be any moisture in it after the half hour. Any ideas why? Should we have left it longer than 1/2 hour? Thanks for your advice Marie oleander soup , " Maria " <mary1kon wrote: > > Hi Infomcf. > > I'm not Tony but i will but in here for a second, usually we use 1 teaspoon herb or seeds for every cup of water, unless Tony come in and corrects me. > > Also Parsley seeds and leaves are diuretic and will help. > > Plus put your moms feet in a bucket, then add a kilo of salt for 1/2 an hour then dont wash of, just dry the feet put on warm socks and go to bed, the salt will draw out all the water that does not belong in the body. > > Do not throw the salt out, just dry it flat on a news paper or cloth because it will be full of moistier. You can reuse the salt for 3 more times, then you throw it out as it will be full of toxins. > > You do this once a day for 3 days, monday- wednesday- friday , you relax and start again until you see results. > > Good luck, and if you use this method let us know if it worked for you. > Hugs Mary > > > - > infomcf > oleander soup > Wednesday, December 02, 2009 10:53 AM > Re: Natural Help for Ascites > > > > Hi Tony, > > > Overnight water soaked fenugreek seeds' decoction helps in curing > > the patients suffering from complications of ascites, however, for > > better result, this simple herbal cure remedy should be practiced in the > > morning in empty stomach. > > How much fenugreek seeds are needed and how much water? How long does it take for these natural remedies to work? > > I have tried the garlic juice and the Strophanthus for the last 3 days with no effect. Any suggestions? > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 3, 2009 Report Share Posted December 3, 2009 Hi Marie. Usually you dont see the moisture but you feel it in the salt if you touch it, and yes try longer like 1 hour say and use more salt to cover his ankles. All the best Marie, and dont rush or be descareged as it will work in the end, just give it time. Hugs Mary - infomcf oleander soup Thursday, December 03, 2009 11:35 AM Re: Natural Help for Ascites Hi Mary,I tried putting his feet in the salt tonight but there didnt seem to be any moisture in it after the half hour. Any ideas why? Should we have left it longer than 1/2 hour?Thanks for your adviceMarieoleander soup , "Maria" <mary1kon wrote:>> Hi Infomcf.> > I'm not Tony but i will but in here for a second, usually we use 1 teaspoon herb or seeds for every cup of water, unless Tony come in and corrects me.> > Also Parsley seeds and leaves are diuretic and will help.> > Plus put your moms feet in a bucket, then add a kilo of salt for 1/2 an hour then dont wash of, just dry the feet put on warm socks and go to bed, the salt will draw out all the water that does not belong in the body.> > Do not throw the salt out, just dry it flat on a news paper or cloth because it will be full of moistier. You can reuse the salt for 3 more times, then you throw it out as it will be full of toxins.> > You do this once a day for 3 days, monday- wednesday- friday , you relax and start again until you see results.> > Good luck, and if you use this method let us know if it worked for you.> Hugs Mary> > > - > infomcf > oleander soup > Wednesday, December 02, 2009 10:53 AM> Re: Natural Help for Ascites> > > > Hi Tony,> > > Overnight water soaked fenugreek seeds' decoction helps in curing> > the patients suffering from complications of ascites, however, for> > better result, this simple herbal cure remedy should be practiced in the> > morning in empty stomach.> > How much fenugreek seeds are needed and how much water? How long does it take for these natural remedies to work?> > I have tried the garlic juice and the Strophanthus for the last 3 days with no effect. Any suggestions?> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 4, 2009 Report Share Posted December 4, 2009 Hi Tony, Can you give me some advice here. On http://www.henriettesherbal.com/eclectic/thomas/ascites.html it says " Etiology.—Any obstruction of the portal circulation is a possible cause of ascites, the most frequent being cirrhosis of the liver. Pressure from tumors or neighboring organs may also give rise to it. " It then lists several treatments such as " Strophanthus frequently accomplishes more than any other-remedy, thirty drops to a half glass of water, a teaspoonful every hour. " Now on the same site if you look up Strophanthus it says " Strophanthus is contraindicated in ascites of tumors, hepatic, splenic and pelvic " So does that mean if ascites are due to tumours blocking something that Strophanthus should or should not be taken? I am so confused! Marie oleander soup , "" wrote: > > > Natural Help for Ascites > > by Tony Isaacs > > Ascites, also known as dropsy or abdominal dropsy, is a physical > disorder where someone suffers from accumulation of fluid in the > abdominal cavity. Ascites can be caused by liver disease and common side > effect of alcoholism, chronic infection of viral hepatitis, or the > abusive use of intravenous drugs. Otherwise, tumors, obstruction in > portal vein etc., may lead to Ascites. > > Successful treatment of Ascites should include a professional diagnosis > and then treatment of the cause of the Ascites (preferably naturopathic > treatment once the diagnosis has been completed). Here are a few simple > herbal remedies which may help: > > Garlic can play a big role in curing the problem of ascites. Add ½ > teaspoon of fresh garlic juice to 125 ml of water and consume it two > times per day. This garlic juice treated water should be consumed for > 2-3 weeks for best result by the ascites patients at regular basis. > > Regular consumption of bitter melon (bitter gourd) root juice helps in > prompt recovery of the complications imposed by ascites, Take 25 ml at > least three times per day in dilute condition. > > Paurnava has been found to be especially effective against ascites. > Pound the dried roots of punarnava to make a powder. Take approx. 1 tsp > twice along with lukewarm water. > > Apocynum is an outstanding herb for the treatment of dropsy and/or where > the urine is scanty and high-colored, and the bowels are constipated, > and where the heart's action is feeble. Put 15-30 drops in four ounces > of water, and a teaspoonful of this will be given every hour. If the > system does not respond to the specific tincture, do not discard the > remedy, but administer the distillate of apocynum (apocandle) in from > thirty to sixty drop doses every three or four hours. Should the kidney > and bowels fail to respond to this, then add some ground apocynum root > to the decoction. Adding the root is actually the most efficient form of > the decoction, but it can be so nauseating that many cannot take enough > to get the best results. Try beginning with 5 drops and slowly > increasing until the limit of toleration is reached, which is usually 30 > to 40 drops. > > The juice of fresh radish leaves has been found to be very beneficial in > the controlling the intensity of ascites. Mix the juice of the leaves of > radish plant with water. > > Overnight water soaked fenugreek seeds' decoction helps in curing > the patients suffering from complications of ascites, however, for > better result, this simple herbal cure remedy should be practiced in the > morning in empty stomach. > > Consumption of melon at regular basis is helpful for natural treatment > of ascites. Melon helps actively in smooth digestion and restore > normalcy in fluid balancing as well as for homeostasis. > > Carrot juice and buttermilk are beneficial. They can play a vital role > in restoring energy in the body, along with not adding to the > accumulated fluid levels. > > Take 25 gm of the herb named gram. Boil it in one fourth liter of water > until the water is reduced to half the original volume. Strain the > liquid. You will have to drink this for at least 3 weeks. > > Take 120 mg of the powder of kutaki once or twice a day along with warm > water. > > Prepare a powder by pounding together the 3 myrobalans (aamla, harad and > baheda) in equal quantities and take 1 tsp along with a decoction of > punarnava roots or the arka of punarnava. > > Apis is a good remedy where there is smarting or burning sensation in > voiding water. > > Aralia Hispida is another valuable diuretic, and should not be > overlooked in ascites. The best results are obtained from the infusion. > It should be given every two or three hours. > > Polytrichum Juniperum used as a diuretic infusion is one of the best > remedies. As should be the case with all infusions unless otherwise > directed, take one to two teaspoons of dried herb (or two to four > teaspoons of fresh herb) and place in a cup of hot water for > approximately ten minutes and then strain. > > Chimaphila is another good vegetable diuretic, and, like the remedies > already mentioned, should, be used as an infusion. > > Strophanthus frequently out-performs other remedies. Use thirty drops to > a half glass of water and take a teaspoonful every hour. > > Sometimes when the system fails to respond to other suggested remedies, > relief may be found from the the compound powder of jalap and the > bitartrate of potassium, in dram doses every three, four, or five hours, > until we get two, three, or four copious stools in twenty-four hours. > > Elaterium in one-sixth or one-eighth grain doses, combined with > potassium bitartrate, is also an efficient combination. > > Avoic consumption of excessive water. In case of abnormal thirst, drink > small amount of milk (raw organic goats milk is the healthiest option) > at room temperature in small sips. > > Sources included: > > www.in.88db.com/chennai/html/images/articles/health/Ascites.html > www.goherbalremedies.com/blog/natural-cure-treatment-of-ascites/ > www.henriettesherbal.com/eclectic/thomas/ascites.html > <http://www.henriettesherbal.com/eclectic/thomas/ascites.html> > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 4, 2009 Report Share Posted December 4, 2009 Hi Marie. I can ask Henrietta about it if you like, if you are not on her herb list. I am. Ask her why the contradiction. She's a very good professional herbalist, so either there's a typo or something got mixed up. Samala, Renee ---- Can you give me some advice here. On http://www.henriettesherbal.com/eclectic/thomas/ascites.html it says "Etiology.—Any obstruction of the portal circulation is a possible cause of ascites, the most frequent being cirrhosis of the liver. Pressure from tumors or neighboring organs may also give rise to it." It then lists several treatments such as "Strophanthus frequently accomplishes more than any other-remedy, thirty drops to a half glass of water, a teaspoonful every hour." Now on the same site if you look up Strophanthus it says "Strophanthus is contraindicated in ascites of tumors, hepatic, splenic and pelvic" So does that mean if ascites are due to tumours blocking something that Strophanthus should or should not be taken? I am so confused! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 5, 2009 Report Share Posted December 5, 2009 Hi Renee, I would really appreciate that as I have been giving it to Malcolm and now I am not sure that I should have. Marie oleander soup , " Renee " <gaiacita wrote: > > Hi Marie. I can ask Henrietta about it if you like, if you are not on her > herb list. I am. Ask her why the contradiction. She's a very good > professional herbalist, so either there's a typo or something got mixed up. > > > Samala, > Renee > > ---- > > Can you give me some advice here. On http://www.henriettesherbal > com/eclectic/thomas/ascites.html > it says > > " Etiology.—Any obstruction of the portal circulation is a possible cause of > ascites, the most frequent being cirrhosis of the liver. Pressure from > tumors or neighboring organs may also give rise to it. " > > It then lists several treatments such as > " Strophanthus frequently accomplishes more than any other-remedy, thirty > drops to a half glass of water, a teaspoonful every hour. " > > Now on the same site if you look up Strophanthus it says > " Strophanthus is contraindicated in ascites of tumors, hepatic, splenic and > pelvic " > > So does that mean if ascites are due to tumours blocking something that > Strophanthus should or should not be taken? > > I am so confused! > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 5, 2009 Report Share Posted December 5, 2009 Hello, Please, Please, check out all sources and all recommendations. the human body is created in such a unique way that not everything works for everyone. unbalanced Conditions of the human body is not something that you or anyone should treat lightly. Again, Please use common sense and check and recheck anything that anyone recommends. Sincerely, Cypriano oleander soup From: infomcfDate: Sat, 5 Dec 2009 00:37:20 +0000 Re: Natural Help for Ascites Hi Renee,I would really appreciate that as I have been giving it to Malcolm and now I am not sure that I should have.Marieoleander soup , "Renee" <gaiacita wrote:>> Hi Marie. I can ask Henrietta about it if you like, if you are not on her> herb list. I am. Ask her why the contradiction. She's a very good> professional herbalist, so either there's a typo or something got mixed up. > > > Samala,> Renee> > ----> > Can you give me some advice here. On http://www.henriettesherbal> com/eclectic/thomas/ascites.html> it says> > "Etiology.—Any obstruction of the portal circulation is a possible cause of> ascites, the most frequent being cirrhosis of the liver. Pressure from> tumors or neighboring organs may also give rise to it."> > It then lists several treatments such as> "Strophanthus frequently accomplishes more than any other-remedy, thirty> drops to a half glass of water, a teaspoonful every hour."> > Now on the same site if you look up Strophanthus it says> "Strophanthus is contraindicated in ascites of tumors, hepatic, splenic and> pelvic"> > So does that mean if ascites are due to tumours blocking something that> Strophanthus should or should not be taken?> > I am so confused!> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 5, 2009 Report Share Posted December 5, 2009 Ok, I'll go ask her now. Let you know what she says. Samala, Renee ---- infomcf 12/4/2009 6:37:32 PM oleander soup Re: Natural Help for Ascites Hi Renee, I would really appreciate that as I have been giving it to Malcolm and now I am not sure that I should have. Marie oleander soup , "Renee" <gaiacita wrote: > > Hi Marie. I can ask Henrietta about it if you like, if you are not on her > herb list. I am. Ask her why the contradiction. She's a very good > professional herbalist, so either there's a typo or something got mixed up. > > > Samala, > Renee > > ---- > > Can you give me some advice here. On http://www.henriettesherbal > com/eclectic/thomas/ascites.html > it says > > "Etiology.—Any obstruction of the portal circulation is a possible cause of > ascites, the most frequent being cirrhosis of the liver. Pressure from > tumors or neighboring organs may also give rise to it." > > It then lists several treatments such as > "Strophanthus frequently accomplishes more than any other-remedy, thirty > drops to a half glass of water, a teaspoonful every hour." > > Now on the same site if you look up Strophanthus it says > "Strophanthus is contraindicated in ascites of tumors, hepatic, splenic and > pelvic" > > So does that mean if ascites are due to tumours blocking something that > Strophanthus should or should not be taken? > > I am so confused! > --- Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 5, 2009 Report Share Posted December 5, 2009 I appreciate your concern, and I agree that each of us should do our own due diligence before accepting anyone else's recommendation - and that certainly includes any mainstream drug. I think that marijuana has been proven as pretty safe and I have seen very convincing reports and studies about its effectiveness. I seem to have survived the late 60's and 70's more or less intact. And the 80's and . . . At any rate, plenty has been posted about it and we really try to avoid prolonged debates here - especially when they get to the point of restating the same points again and again, so let's move on please. Thanks, oleander soup , Cypriano Aguerria <caguerria wrote:>> > Hello, Please, Please, check out all sources and all recommendations. the human body is created in such a unique way that not everything works for everyone. unbalanced Conditions of the human body is not something that you or anyone should treat lightly.> > Again, Please use common sense and check and recheck anything that anyone recommends. > > Sincerely,> > > > Cypriano Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 5, 2009 Report Share Posted December 5, 2009 Hi Marie. Here's Henrietta's response. She's a very good, classic European trained herbalist--so I'd be careful of the plant in question from what she says. Renee wrote: > A lady on another list I'm on is researching for a health condition. It> seems she went to your site, Henrietta, and was confused by some information> there. She was asking the group about it, because she was confused, but no> one came up with any answer. So I told her I'd ask here where you'd see it.> Here's her message:>> > Can you give me some advice here. I have _different old texts_ on my site. They're NOT all from the same writer,Same point of view, same country, or even same century. So Rolla R. Thomas says in 1907: "Strophanthus frequently accomplishes more than any other remedy, thirty dropsTo a half glass of water, a teaspoonful every hour." http://www.henriettesherbal.com/eclectic/thomas/ascites.html And Ellingwood says in 1919: "It has been employed in fatty degeneration of the heart, in acuteEndocarditis, in atheroma of the arteries, in chronic Bright's disease, inAscites produced by cirrhosis of the liverStrophanthus is contraindicated in ascites of tumors, hepatic, splenic andPelvic". http://www.henriettesherbal.com/eclectic/ellingwood/strophanthus.html They agree: give strophanthus on ascites from cirrhosis of the liver.They disagree: one says it works no matter what, the other says don't give itIn ascites from tumors. Possibly the other has seen problems with it, inTumors? Me, I say that strophanthus is too toxic to be messing with, if the only dataYou go on is from old texts on the Internet. It's one of the plants you haveTo _know_ if you intend to use it. And I don't know it - except that it's anArrow poison ... (course, that means it has to get into the blood. So you cutYour finger while handling strophanthus. Oops ...) http://www.henriettesherbal.com/eclectic/kings/strophantus.html H. --Henriette Kress, AHG Helsinki, FinlandHenriette's herbal homepage: http://www.henriettesherbal.com ---- infomcf 12/4/2009 6:37:32 PM oleander soup Re: Natural Help for Ascites Hi Renee, I would really appreciate that as I have been giving it to Malcolm and now I am not sure that I should have. Marie oleander soup , "Renee" <gaiacita wrote: > > Hi Marie. I can ask Henrietta about it if you like, if you are not on her > herb list. I am. Ask her why the contradiction. She's a very good > professional herbalist, so either there's a typo or something got mixed up. > > > Samala, > Renee > > ---- > > Can you give me some advice here. On http://www.henriettesherbal > com/eclectic/thomas/ascites.html > it says > > "Etiology.—Any obstruction of the portal circulation is a possible cause of > ascites, the most frequent being cirrhosis of the liver. Pressure from > tumors or neighboring organs may also give rise to it." > > It then lists several treatments such as > "Strophanthus frequently accomplishes more than any other-remedy, thirty > drops to a half glass of water, a teaspoonful every hour." > > Now on the same site if you look up Strophanthus it says > "Strophanthus is contraindicated in ascites of tumors, hepatic, splenic and > pelvic" > > So does that mean if ascites are due to tumours blocking something that > Strophanthus should or should not be taken? > > I am so confused! > --- Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 6, 2009 Report Share Posted December 6, 2009 Cypriano, You asked for advice from the group, and individuals went out of their way to give them to you and you turn around asking for scientific proofs, and state warnings to be careful of advices received, i am sorry to ask, are you a troll/drone? Melly oleander soup , "" wrote: > > > I appreciate your concern, and I agree that each of us should do our own > due diligence before accepting anyone else's recommendation - and that > certainly includes any mainstream drug. > > I think that marijuana has been proven as pretty safe and I have seen > very convincing reports and studies about its effectiveness. I seem to > have survived the late 60's and 70's more or less intact. And the 80's > and . . . [] > > At any rate, plenty has been posted about it and we really try to avoid > prolonged debates here - especially when they get to the point of > restating the same points again and again, so let's move on please. > > Thanks, > > > > > oleander soup , Cypriano Aguerria <caguerria@> > wrote: > > > > > > Hello, Please, Please, check out all sources and all recommendations. > the human body is created in such a unique way that not everything works > for everyone. unbalanced Conditions of the human body is not something > that you or anyone should treat lightly. > > > > Again, Please use common sense and check and recheck anything that > anyone recommends. > > > > Sincerely, > > > > > > > > Cypriano > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 6, 2009 Report Share Posted December 6, 2009 Now Melly, let's give the fellow the benefit of the doubt. Not that many years ago I was pretty much mainstrem myself- so I cannot condemn anyone who may just have not had the chance to be enlightened. At any rate, Cypriano is a new member here and his input is still welcome provided that it does not become repetitive prolonged circular debate. Like all new members, his posts are moderated at the outset - so the amount of trolling that might be done by any particular new member is limited. All new members are encouraged to take part in our forum - but it might be a bit wise to first look back and get a feel for what the forum is like and also to conduct a few searches to see if any questions they might have or issues they want to discuss have already been addressed. All the best, oleander soup , "tita_mel" <tita_mel wrote:>> Cypriano,> > You asked for advice from the group, and individuals went out of their way to give them to you and you turn around asking for scientific proofs, and state warnings to be careful of advices received, i am sorry to ask, are you a troll/drone?> > Melly> > oleander soup , "TonyI" @ wrote:> >> > > > I appreciate your concern, and I agree that each of us should do our own> > due diligence before accepting anyone else's recommendation - and that> > certainly includes any mainstream drug.> > > > I think that marijuana has been proven as pretty safe and I have seen> > very convincing reports and studies about its effectiveness. I seem to> > have survived the late 60's and 70's more or less intact. And the 80's> > and . . . []> > > > At any rate, plenty has been posted about it and we really try to avoid> > prolonged debates here - especially when they get to the point of> > restating the same points again and again, so let's move on please.> > > > Thanks,> > > > Tony> > > > > > oleander soup , Cypriano Aguerria <caguerria@>> > wrote:> > >> > >> > > Hello, Please, Please, check out all sources and all recommendations.> > the human body is created in such a unique way that not everything works> > for everyone. unbalanced Conditions of the human body is not something> > that you or anyone should treat lightly.> > >> > > Again, Please use common sense and check and recheck anything that> > anyone recommends.> > >> > > Sincerely,> > >> > >> > >> > > Cypriano> >> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 6, 2009 Report Share Posted December 6, 2009 Now Now... Scientific proof is what we naturally want to see. That is if, the proof is actual and not manipulated for profit. Haven't we, on this forum, asked for testing proof of the flu shot? For the benefit of the world, it would be great to see lab proof of what we all are advocating! Then the "other" people would leave us alone for a few moments.. Rich in NJ In a message dated 12/6/2009 1:44:52 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, tita_mel writes: You asked for advice from the group, and individuals went out of their way to give them to you and you turn around asking for scientific proofs, and state warnings to be careful of advices received, i am sorry to ask, are you a troll/drone?Melly Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 6, 2009 Report Share Posted December 6, 2009 Ok, Tony Isaac. thanks. It was late at night and i was taken a back. I will shut up about it now. :-) Sorry Cypriano for jumping on you. Go ahead and ask and learn as much as you want. Melly In oleander soup , "" wrote: > > > Now Melly, let's give the fellow the benefit of the doubt. Not that > many years ago I was pretty much mainstrem myself- so I cannot condemn > anyone who may just have not had the chance to be enlightened. > > At any rate, Cypriano is a new member here and his input is still > welcome provided that it does not become repetitive prolonged circular > debate. Like all new members, his posts are moderated at the outset - > so the amount of trolling that might be done by any particular new > member is limited. > > All new members are encouraged to take part in our forum - but it might > be a bit wise to first look back and get a feel for what the forum is > like and also to conduct a few searches to see if any questions they > might have or issues they want to discuss have already been addressed. > > All the best, > > > > oleander soup , " tita_mel " <tita_mel@> wrote: > > > > Cypriano, > > > > You asked for advice from the group, and individuals went out of their > way to give them to you and you turn around asking for scientific > proofs, and state warnings to be careful of advices received, i am sorry > to ask, are you a troll/drone? > > > > Melly > > > > oleander soup , "" @ wrote: > > > > > > > > > I appreciate your concern, and I agree that each of us should do our > own > > > due diligence before accepting anyone else's recommendation - and > that > > > certainly includes any mainstream drug. > > > > > > I think that marijuana has been proven as pretty safe and I have > seen > > > very convincing reports and studies about its effectiveness. I seem > to > > > have survived the late 60's and 70's more or less intact. And the > 80's > > > and . . . [] > > > > > > At any rate, plenty has been posted about it and we really try to > avoid > > > prolonged debates here - especially when they get to the point of > > > restating the same points again and again, so let's move on please. > > > > > > Thanks, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > oleander soup , Cypriano Aguerria <caguerria@> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Hello, Please, Please, check out all sources and all > recommendations. > > > the human body is created in such a unique way that not everything > works > > > for everyone. unbalanced Conditions of the human body is not > something > > > that you or anyone should treat lightly. > > > > > > > > Again, Please use common sense and check and recheck anything that > > > anyone recommends. > > > > > > > > Sincerely, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Cypriano > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 8, 2009 Report Share Posted December 8, 2009 Hi Renee, Thanks for that. I will stop using it now. I think that she should remove it from her website though if she feels that strongly that you shouldn't use it unless you know about how to use it. Or at least put a warning on the site about it. Thanks again for your help Marie oleander soup , " Renee " <gaiacita wrote: > > Hi Marie. Here's Henrietta's response. She's a very good, classic European > trained herbalist--so I'd be careful of the plant in question from what she > says. > > Renee wrote: > > > A lady on another list I'm on is researching for a health condition. It > > seems she went to your site, Henrietta, and was confused by some > information > > there. She was asking the group about it, because she was confused, but > no > > one came up with any answer. So I told her I'd ask here where you'd see > it. > > Here's her message: > > > > > Can you give me some advice here. > > I have _different old texts_ on my site. They're NOT all from the same > writer, > Same point of view, same country, or even same century. > > So Rolla R. Thomas says in 1907: > > " Strophanthus frequently accomplishes more than any other remedy, thirty > drops > To a half glass of water, a teaspoonful every hour. " > > http://www.henriettesherbal.com/eclectic/thomas/ascites.html > > And Ellingwood says in 1919: > > " It has been employed in fatty degeneration of the heart, in acute > Endocarditis, in atheroma of the arteries, in chronic Bright's disease, in > Ascites produced by cirrhosis of the liver " > > " Strophanthus is contraindicated in ascites of tumors, hepatic, splenic and > Pelvic " . > > http://www.henriettesherbal.com/eclectic/ellingwood/strophanthus.html > > They agree: give strophanthus on ascites from cirrhosis of the liver. > They disagree: one says it works no matter what, the other says don't give > it > In ascites from tumors. Possibly the other has seen problems with it, in > Tumors? > > > Me, I say that strophanthus is too toxic to be messing with, if the only > data > You go on is from old texts on the Internet. It's one of the plants you have > To _know_ if you intend to use it. And I don't know it - except that it's an > Arrow poison ... (course, that means it has to get into the blood. So you > cut > Your finger while handling strophanthus. Oops ...) > > http://www.henriettesherbal.com/eclectic/kings/strophantus.html > > H. > > -- > Henriette Kress, AHG Helsinki, Finland > Henriette's herbal homepage: http://www.henriettesherbal.com > > > ---- > > infomcf > 12/4/2009 6:37:32 PM > oleander soup > Re: Natural Help for Ascites > > Hi Renee, > > I would really appreciate that as I have been giving it to Malcolm and now I > am not sure that I should have. > > Marie > > oleander soup , " Renee " <gaiacita@> wrote: > > > > Hi Marie. I can ask Henrietta about it if you like, if you are not on her > > herb list. I am. Ask her why the contradiction. She's a very good > > professional herbalist, so either there's a typo or something got mixed up > > > > > > > Samala, > > Renee > > > > ---- > > > > Can you give me some advice here. On http://www.henriettesherbal > > com/eclectic/thomas/ascites.html > > it says > > > > " Etiology.—Any obstruction of the portal circulation is a possible cause > of > > ascites, the most frequent being cirrhosis of the liver. Pressure from > > tumors or neighboring organs may also give rise to it. " > > > > It then lists several treatments such as > > " Strophanthus frequently accomplishes more than any other-remedy, thirty > > drops to a half glass of water, a teaspoonful every hour. " > > > > Now on the same site if you look up Strophanthus it says > > " Strophanthus is contraindicated in ascites of tumors, hepatic, splenic > and > > pelvic " > > > > So does that mean if ascites are due to tumours blocking something that > > Strophanthus should or should not be taken? > > > > I am so confused! > > > > > > > --- > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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