Guest guest Posted January 11, 2009 Report Share Posted January 11, 2009 Hi all; I've studied their stuff in depth, and we should keep in mind that while parkinson's is one disease entity in WM, it is based in many different CM patterns, thus yin tui na can only be expected to work on some cases. I do agree with Yehuda that treatments must, in any case, be as complete as possible - the idea being to bring many threads together in order to weave a larger rope. Yehuda, have you read the book? Hugo ________________________________ Hugo Ramiro http://middlemedicine.wordpress.com http://www.chinesemedicaltherapies.org ________________________________ Chinese Medicine Sunday, 11 January, 2009 0:07:34 Re: Re: Parkinson's Disease Dear Edita, We went up to Santa Cruz and met with the group. Interesting stuff. They have had success with Parkinson's patients who have not started taking Simemet and other Dopamine enhancing drugs, but their approach, Yin Tui Na, doesn't work in every case, and requires alot of work. One other very important point that their work reimforced was that healing must be pursued on a multitude of levels: Biochemically, bioelectrically, and biomechanically for it to be sustained and lasting. Good Luck, , Candidate DAOM www.traditionaljewi shmedicine. net --- On Sat, 1/10/09, zvedita <zvedita (AT) gmail (DOT) com> wrote: zvedita <zvedita (AT) gmail (DOT) com> Re: Parkinson's Disease Saturday, January 10, 2009, 7:27 PM Hi Kimberly and the group There is an interesting information about PD and Chinese medicine on this site. If the person is newly diagnosed and didn't start medication yet, it's worth to try. http://www.pdrecove ry.org/ All the best to everybody in 2009 Edita, TCM student Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 12, 2009 Report Share Posted January 12, 2009 You might want to have a look at the new PMPH book called The Clinical Practice of CM: Stroke and Parkinson's Disease http://www.amazon.co.uk/Parkinsons-Disease-Clinical-Practice-Medicine/dp/7117091\ 916 Hope it helps. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 19, 2009 Report Share Posted January 19, 2009 Hi Hugo, Yes, I have it and have read it. --- On Sun, 1/11/09, Hugo Ramiro <subincor wrote: Hugo Ramiro <subincor Re: Re: Parkinson's Disease Chinese Medicine Sunday, January 11, 2009, 6:55 AM Hi all; I've studied their stuff in depth, and we should keep in mind that while parkinson's is one disease entity in WM, it is based in many different CM patterns, thus yin tui na can only be expected to work on some cases. I do agree with Yehuda that treatments must, in any case, be as complete as possible - the idea being to bring many threads together in order to weave a larger rope. Yehuda, have you read the book? Hugo ____________ _________ _________ __ Hugo Ramiro http://middlemedici ne.wordpress. com http://www.chinesem edicaltherapies. org ____________ _________ _________ __ > Sunday, 11 January, 2009 0:07:34 Re: Re: Parkinson's Disease Dear Edita, We went up to Santa Cruz and met with the group. Interesting stuff. They have had success with Parkinson's patients who have not started taking Simemet and other Dopamine enhancing drugs, but their approach, Yin Tui Na, doesn't work in every case, and requires alot of work. One other very important point that their work reimforced was that healing must be pursued on a multitude of levels: Biochemically, bioelectrically, and biomechanically for it to be sustained and lasting. Good Luck, , Candidate DAOM www.traditionaljewi shmedicine. net --- On Sat, 1/10/09, zvedita <zvedita (AT) gmail (DOT) com> wrote: zvedita <zvedita (AT) gmail (DOT) com> Re: Parkinson's Disease Saturday, January 10, 2009, 7:27 PM Hi Kimberly and the group There is an interesting information about PD and Chinese medicine on this site. If the person is newly diagnosed and didn't start medication yet, it's worth to try. http://www.pdrecove ry.org/ All the best to everybody in 2009 Edita, TCM student Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 25, 2009 Report Share Posted January 25, 2009 Chinese Medicine , " kimmymarin " <kimmymarin wrote: > > Has anyone had any success in treating Parkinson's patients. This one > hits close to home. A family member was just diagnosed yesterday and I > am trying to collect information. Her history: > > 60 y.o. female > Tongue: extremely flabby and pale with white coating > Pulse: very wiry > sleep: suffers from insomnia...cant fall asleep or stay asleep > Thanks for all the info.. I have read the book and actually arrange to go out to Santa Cruz for a week with my family member. The theory is very interesting and it just so happens that this person has had several foot injuries (theory for cause). I was wondering if anyone had any experience with their methods and if so what was the outcome? thanks! Kimberly Marin AP, RD www. evowellness. com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 26, 2009 Report Share Posted January 26, 2009 Hi Kimmy, When I was a very new assistant in the PCOM clinic, I helped an intern treat a woman with Parkinson's. The most interesting thing I remember was that he switched from using needles to using press tacks, because her tremors were so severe that using needles posed a hazard - either they would be hurled across the room, or she would be injured with them. I thought press tacks were a brilliant solution for this problem. Andrea Beth Traditional Oriental Medicine Happy Hours in the CALM Center 1770 E. Villa Drive, Suite 5 Cottonwood, AZ 86326 (928) 274-1373 --- On Sun, 1/25/09, kimmymarin <kimmymarin wrote: kimmymarin <kimmymarin Re: Parkinson's Disease Chinese Medicine Sunday, January 25, 2009, 1:40 PM Chinese Medicine , " kimmymarin " <kimmymarin wrote: > > Has anyone had any success in treating Parkinson's patients. This one > hits close to home. A family member was just diagnosed yesterday and I > am trying to collect information. Her history: > > 60 y.o. female > Tongue: extremely flabby and pale with white coating > Pulse: very wiry > sleep: suffers from insomnia...cant fall asleep or stay asleep > Thanks for all the info.. I have read the book and actually arrange to go out to Santa Cruz for a week with my family member. The theory is very interesting and it just so happens that this person has had several foot injuries (theory for cause). I was wondering if anyone had any experience with their methods and if so what was the outcome? thanks! Kimberly Marin AP, RD www. evowellness. com --- Subscribe to the free online journal for TCM at Times http://www.chinesemedicinetimes.com Help build the world's largest online encyclopedia for Chinese medicine and acupuncture, click, http://www.chinesemedicinetimes.com/wiki/CMTpedia and adjust accordingly. Please consider the environment and only print this message if absolutely necessary. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 27, 2009 Report Share Posted January 27, 2009 I have had the opportunity to treat an individual with PD. The results were impressive at first, with a reduction in tremor initially for some hours post session. With each session, the tremors did abate while he was on the table, but returned after becoming mobile. I studied the protocol from the old PD clinic, however i did not find the case to fit the protocol, i did however use the Stomach Meridian/Area frequently. When i was last at Five Branches there was no clinic for PD, and i am not certain that the author of the book actually finished it, you might try and contact her directly if that's possible. Regards, Tymothy " kimmymarin " <kimmymarin wrote: > > Chinese Medicine , " kimmymarin " > <kimmymarin@> wrote: > > > > Has anyone had any success in treating Parkinson's patients. This > one > > hits close to home. A family member was just diagnosed yesterday > and I > > am trying to collect information. Her history: > > > > 60 y.o. female > > Tongue: extremely flabby and pale with white coating > > Pulse: very wiry > > sleep: suffers from insomnia...cant fall asleep or stay asleep > > > > > Thanks for all the info.. I have read the book and actually arrange > to go out to Santa Cruz for a week with my family member. The theory > is very interesting and it just so happens that this person has had > several foot injuries (theory for cause). I was wondering if anyone > had any experience with their methods and if so what was the outcome? > > thanks! > Kimberly Marin AP, RD > www. evowellness. com > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 28, 2009 Report Share Posted January 28, 2009 I think originally her high BP is caused by Liver yang hypertension. When did she start having the insomnia problem? before she started the western BP treatment or after? She can't sleep from 1am to 3am? Tremors are usually a sign of liver damage. When the liver is damaged, people will have problem sleeping from 1 am to 3 am. You also mentioned she had long history of depression problem, so all her problems are stemming from her Liver issue. To me, her gaining weight almost means the liver is violating spleen, she did not response well to the Liu Wei, might not response to the Jin Gui Shen Qi wan. Maybe you can try a different direction, try Xiao Yao San or Jia Wei Xiao Yao San. On Sun, Jan 25, 2009 at 12:41 PM, kimmymarin <kimmymarin wrote: > Has anyone had any success in treating Parkinson's patients. This one > hits close to home. A family member was just diagnosed yesterday and I > am trying to collect information. Her history: > > 60 y.o. female > Tongue: extremely flabby and pale with white coating > Pulse: very wiry > sleep: suffers from insomnia...cant fall asleep or stay asleep without > aid of meds > diet: very healthy and not excessive (vitamins do make her have a > ravenouse appetite) > energy levels: 5 or 6 out of 10 > blood pressure is extremely high without meds and herbs. she was > walking around with BP of 180/110 for a long time before she addressed > the problem. > tremors started in right hand then went to right foot and now she is > having tremors in right optic nerve. nothing on left side yet. these > started about 9 months ago. diminished strength in entire right side > of body. handwriting is very bad. > speech is fine. > life long history of depression and at one point was suicidal in early > twenties. > in twenties and thirties was very irritable and easily agitated > > she definitely suffers from ki yin & yang and lv blood deficiency > (leading to stirring heat). whenever i give her yin tonifying herbs > she gains a tremendous amount of weight. last time i had her on lui > wei > di huang wan she put on 17 pounds without any change in her diet. > right now she is taking Blue Poppy Hyperquell (which seems to be > making > her thick in the waist again) and about to start with Evergreens > NeuroPlus. I am also going to give her Jin Gui Shen Qi Wan. > > As for acupuncture I have been doing some Tung points on the head for > tremors. I am also going to doing the motor line and some auricular. > I am considering doing some extraordinary meridian therapies with the > du channel and alternating with lv 3, li 4, gb 20, ub 17, 18, 23, du > 20, 26 and sp 3, 4, 9 ki 3, 6 > > any comments or guidance in herbs and acupuncture are greatly welcome. > especially any ideas how to tonify her without the 17 pound weight > gain. > > in health, > > kimberly marin ap, rd > www. evowellness. com > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 13, 2009 Report Share Posted October 13, 2009 Parkinson's disease is directly related to a shortage of glutathione in the body (See http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/12213603 ). A woman with advanced Parkinson's has been using the Sutherlandia OPC mixture (4 caps per day) and NAC (2000mg per day) for the last two years with very good results. Her Parkinson's has not progressed and she reports (and one can visibly see) that her tremors are much less than before she had started on this protocol. Marc Swanepoel - tammy hudgins oleander soup Tuesday, October 13, 2009 4:57 PM Re: Rife Machines My husband has Parkinsons Disease and was recently told to try Oleander soup. We have not been able to find any info linking these together. Any input? Thank you--- Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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