Which is the best? Different forms of selenium, food sources and more

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Yes, I am referring to Life Extension Foundation , which I am an affiliate of. Another source of curcumin that is reputed to be more bio-available than most curcumin supplements is www.turmeric-curcumin.com/

Personally, I would opt for the LEF product regardless of my affiliation with them.

oleander soup , "ftfft" <micfo07 wrote:>> when you refer to LEF,> youre referring to life extension?> > thanks> > oleander soup , "TonyI" @ wrote:> >> > > > I wasn't intending to list a supplement, just the source of some of my> > information. I guess it comes down to finding a trusted source with a> > good price for the amount of supplement. And of course I am a bit> > prejudiced, being a LEF affiliate (because I do trust the quality of the> > majority of their products).> > > > All the best,> > > > Tony> > > > > > oleander soup , "ftfft" <micfo07@> wrote:> > >> > > That was a really good article Tony. Super.> > >> > > You listed this supplement:> > > http://relentlessimprovement.com/catalog/semc-selenium.ht> > > m> > > And someone else on this forum recently listed the following one,> > which seem to have more selenium:> > > http://www.lifeextensionvitamins.com/noname9.html> > >> > > By comparing, which one is the best?> > >> > > thanks!> > >> > > oleander soup , "TonyI" @ wrote:> > > >> > > >> > > > Most forms of selenium found in nature are either sodium selenite,> > > > selenomethionine, or selenium cysteine. By far the most common form> > is> > > > selenomethionine, and this includes the majority of the selenium> > found> > > > in Brazil nuts (which are the richest source of selenium found in> > > > nature, having as much as 533 iu per ounce).> > > >> > > > Selected food sources of selenium> > > >> > > >> > > > Food> > > >> > > > Micrograms> > > > (μg)> > > >> > > > Percent> > > > DV*> > > >> > > > Brazil nuts, dried, unblanched, 1 ounce> > > >> > > > 544> > > >> > > > 780> > > >> > > > Tuna, light, canned in oil, drained, 3 ounces> > > >> > > > 63> > > >> > > > 95> > > >> > > > Beef, cooked, 3½ ounces> > > >> > > > 35> > > >> > > > 50> > > >> > > > Spaghetti w/ meat sauce, frozen entrée, 1 serving> > > >> > > > 34> > > >> > > > 50> > > >> > > > Cod, cooked, 3 ounces> > > >> > > > 32> > > >> > > > 45> > > >> > > > Turkey, light meat, roasted, 3½ ounces> > > >> > > > 32> > > >> > > > 45> > > >> > > > Beef chuck roast, lean only, roasted, 3 ounces> > > >> > > > 23> > > >> > > > 35> > > >> > > > Chicken Breast, meat only, roasted, 3½ ounces> > > >> > > > 20> > > >> > > > 30> > > >> > > > Noodles, enriched, boiled, 1/2 cup> > > >> > > > 17> > > >> > > > 25> > > >> > > > Macaroni, elbow, enriched, boiled, 1/2 cup> > > >> > > > 15> > > >> > > > 20> > > >> > > > Egg, whole, 1 medium> > > >> > > > 14> > > >> > > > 20> > > >> > > > Cottage cheese, low fat 2%, 1/2 cup> > > >> > > > 12> > > >> > > > 15> > > >> > > > Oatmeal, instant, fortified, cooked, 1 cup> > > >> > > > 12> > > >> > > > 15> > > >> > > > Rice, white, enriched, long grain, cooked, 1/2 cup> > > >> > > > 12> > > >> > > > 15> > > >> > > > Rice, brown, long-grained, cooked, 1/2 cup> > > >> > > > 10> > > >> > > > 15> > > >> > > > Bread, enriched, whole wheat, commercially prepared, 1 slice> > > >> > > > 10> > > >> > > > 15> > > >> > > > Walnuts, black, dried, 1 ounce> > > >> > > > 5> > > >> > > > 8> > > >> > > > Bread, enriched, white, commercially prepared, 1 slice> > > >> > > > 4> > > >> > > > 6> > > >> > > > Cheddar cheese, 1 ounce> > > >> > > > 4> > > >> > > > 6> > > >> > > >> > > > Note: Although the RDA for selenium is only 55 iu for people age 14> > and> > > > over (70 iu for pregnant and lactating women), those amounts are> > like> > > > other RDA amounts - bare minimums that do not reflect the optimum> > amount> > > > for best health, much less the therapeutic amounts needed to fight> > > > serious disease such as cancer.> > > >> > > > In the Berkson Clinical Study which found that selected> > anti-oxidants> > > > and lifestyle changes reversed what had been considered to be> > hopeless> > > > liver damage, the patients were given 400 mcg in 2 divided portions> > of> > > > 200 mcg.> > > >> > > > Regardless of the form of selenium utlized, it is a vital co-factor> > for> > > > iodine. However, the best form of selenium is likely> > > > Se-methylselenocysteine (SeMC), especially when it comes to fighting> > and> > > > preventing cancer.> > > >> > > > Se-methylselenocysteine is found most abundantly in brocolli and> > garlic> > > > which is grown in selenium rich soils.> > > >> > > > Here is a bit of info I found:> > > >> > > > The most actively produced and sold to the public, selenomethione> > > > (SeMSC, found in in higher amounts in grains), has been> > comparatively> > > > ineffective in stopping cancer induced in animal tests. Naturally,> > it> > > > was this form of selenium - in inorganic form at that - which was> > used> > > > in the SELECT test which purported to show that Selenium and Vitamin> > E> > > > (again the wrong form was used), which mainstream medicine has used> > as> > > > "proof" that they are ineffective against cancer.> > > >> > > > Besides being an important co-factor for iodine, selenium is now> > well> > > > established as a potent cancer-fighting trace mineral. Areas of the> > > > world with more selenium-rich soil have lower cancer rates, and a> > > > randomized, double-blind, placebo-controlled trial in the 1990s> > showed> > > > that men taking a daily 200 microgram selenium supplement> > experienced a> > > > 37% lower risk of developing new cancer, and a whopping 50% lower> > risk> > > > of cancer death.> > > >> > > > But not all forms of selenium are equal in their cancer-fighting> > > > properties. To everyone's surprise, the last decade of scientific> > > > research has found that selenium's anticancer effect is not due to> > > > its use as part of antioxidant or detoxifying compounds in the body.> > > > It's also not linked to absolute tissue levels of selenium achieved> > > > by a given form of selenium, or to its ability to boost the immune> > > > system. Instead, the cancer-fighting potency of any form of selenium> > is> > > > linked to its ability to form methylselenol, a critical selenium> > > > metabolite in the body.> > > >> > > > As a result of this research, science has identified> > > > Se-methylselenocysteine, or SeMC, as a form of selenium which is> > > > directly and easily converted into this key cancer-fighting> > metabolite> > > > – unlike conventional inorganic (selenite or selenate) or> > organic> > > > (selenomethionine, or selenized yeast) selenium supplements. As a> > > > result, SeMC is simultaneously more potent in its cancer-battling> > > > prowess, and less toxic per unit of cancer-fighting punch, than any> > > > other selenium supplement available.> > > >> > > > •SeMC is twice as effective as selenomethionine at reducing> > breast> > > > tumor formation after exposure to the chemical carcinogens> > > > dimethylbenz[a]anthracene (DMBA) and methylnitrosourea (MNU), and> > half> > > > again as effective as inorganic forms.> > > >> > > > •At the same time, SeMC is much safer than inorganic selenium,> > and> > > > of comparable safety to the much less-effective selenomethionine.> > > >> > > > SeMC is the main form of selenium that accumulates in known> > > > cancer-fighting foods like broccoli, ramps, garlic, and (to a lesser> > > > extent) onions when grown in selenium-rich soil. Studies> > > > high-SeMC-cultivars of these vegetables suggest that SeMC is a key> > > > element in the cancer-fighting efficacy of these protective> > vegetables.> > > >> > > > •High-SeMC broccoli gives animals more protection against> > > > early-stage colon cancer than does an equal amount of conventional> > > > selenium, an equal amount of regular broccoli, or even a combination> > of> > > > both.> > > >> > > > •Similar results are seen in battling abnormal cells that lead> > to> > > > breast or colon cancer using high-SeMC garlic vs. the same amount of> > > > selenium from high-selenomethionine yeast or Brazil nuts.> > > >> > > > •SeMC is proven effective in an animal model of familial> > adenomatous> > > > polyposis (FAP), a human genetic vulnerability to colon cancer. No> > other> > > > natural selenium compound has been shown to do this.> > > >> > > > Unique Mechanisms of Action: SeMC fights cancer in ways> > fundamentally> > > > different from other selenium forms.> > > >> > > > •Apoptosis vs Necrosis: Inorganic selenium kills cancer cells> > > > through nonselective damage to the DNA and cell membranes of both> > > > healthy cells and cancer cells, leading to toxic cell death> > (necrosis).> > > > SeMC selectively activates cancer cells' "suicide program"> > > > (apoptosis) without damage to healthy cells.> > > >> > > > •Gene expression: SeMC regulates cellular growth programs,> > > > inhibiting cancer cells earlier in the cell cycle than does> > inorganic> > > > selenium.> > > >> > > > •Angiogenesis: SeMC may also act by cutting off the growing> > > > tumor's blood supply more effectively than the common selenium> > > > supplements, without interfering with the growth of blood vessels in> > > > normal, healthy tissue.> > > >> > > > By any measure, SeMC has proved itself to be the best selenium you> > can> > > > take. The National Cancer Institute apparently agrees: it is in the> > > > process of filing "Investigational New Drug" documents to use> > > > SeMC instead of other selenium supplements in future human trials.> > > >> > > > Another thing selenium does - it binds with mercury and helps> > eliminate> > > > it from the body.> > > >> > > > Sources included:> > > >> > > > http://www.healthbulletin.org/nutrients/nutrients7.htm> > > > <http://www.healthbulletin.org/nutrients/nutrients7.htm>> > > >> > > > http://relentlessimprovement.com/catalog/semc-selenium.htm> > > > <http://relentlessimprovement.com/catalog/semc-selenium.htm>> > > >> > > > The bottom line for me is that, unless I grew my own brocolli,> > garlic> > > > and/or onions in soil I knew to be selenium rich, I would supplement> > and> > > > I would do so with SeMC.> > > >> > > > I am going to see if I cannot get Ben at Utopia Silver to change> > over to> > > > SeMC, and I note that one of his favorite suppliers (Jarrow> > Formulas)> > > > carries it.> > > >> > > > All the best,> > > >> > > > Tony> > > >> > > >> > > > oleander soup , "tedsanford@" <tedsanford@>> > > > wrote:> > > > >> > > > > Tony:> > > > > Can you get enough of either form by eating Brazil nuts, and if so> > how> > > > many?> > > > > Ted> > > > >> > > > > oleander soup , "TonyI" @ wrote:> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > > That form of selenium is good to use as an important co-factor> > for> > > > > > iodine and is the most common form found, but when it comes to> > > > cancer,> > > > > > the preferred form is methylselenocycteine which has its own> > cancer> > > > > > fighting abilities from what I have gathered.> > > > > >> > > > > > All the best,> > > > > >> > > > > > Tony> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > > oleander soup , "ftfft" <micfo07@> wrote:> > > > > > >> > > > > > > Hi,> > > > > > > i just read Tony's protocol, and what he says seems> > > > > > > to indicate that utopiasilver's selenium is not one to use.> > > > > > >> > > > > > > Am i right?> > > > > > >> > > > > > > Because tony says "The most common form of supplemental> > selenium> > > > is> > > > > > selenomethionine whose general proteins have no anticancer> > activity"> > > > > > >> > > > > > > And utopiasilver's selenium info is:> > > > > > > Selenium (from selenomethionine)> > > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > >> > > >> > >> >>

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I purchase most all of my supplements from Life extensions and I have not been disappointed. I also buy stevia there, does anyone know if stevia is safe for kids and also the buffered powered C from LE, my little granddaughter loved it when I let her taste it, and she always wants it when she sees me drink it, but I am not sure it is safe for her. She is 4. If anyone knows I would appreciate any info.

 

thanks

barbara--- On Thu, 10/8/09, wrote:

TonyI Which is the best? Re: Different forms of selenium, food sources and moreoleander soup Date: Thursday, October 8, 2009, 1:45 PM

 

 

Yes, I am referring to Life Extension Foundation , which I am an affiliate of. Another source of curcumin that is reputed to be more bio-available than most curcumin supplements is www.turmeric-curcumin.com/

Personally, I would opt for the LEF product regardless of my affiliation with them.

oleander soup , "ftfft" <micfo07 wrote:>> when you refer to LEF,> youre referring to life extension?> > thanks> > oleander soup , "TonyI" @ wrote:> >> > > > I wasn't intending to list a supplement, just the source of some of my> > information. I guess it comes down to finding a trusted source with a> > good price for the amount of supplement. And of course I am a bit> > prejudiced, being a LEF affiliate (because I do trust the quality of the> > majority of their products).> > > > All the best,> > > > Tony> > > > > > oleander soup , "ftfft" <micfo07@> wrote:> > >> > > That was a really good article Tony. Super.> > >> > >

You listed this supplement:> > > http://relentlessimprovement.com/catalog/semc-selenium.ht> > > m> > > And someone else on this forum recently listed the following one,> > which seem to have more selenium:> > > http://www.lifeextensionvitamins.com/noname9.html> > >> > > By comparing, which one is the best?> > >> > > thanks!> > >> > > oleander soup , "TonyI" @ wrote:> > > >> > > >> > > > Most forms of selenium found in nature are either sodium selenite,> > > > selenomethionine, or selenium cysteine. By far the most common form> > is> > > > selenomethionine, and this includes the majority of the selenium> > found> > > > in Brazil nuts (which are the richest source of

selenium found in> > > > nature, having as much as 533 iu per ounce).> > > >> > > > Selected food sources of selenium> > > >> > > >> > > > Food> > > >> > > > Micrograms> > > > (μg)> > > >> > > > Percent> > > > DV*> > > >> > > > Brazil nuts, dried, unblanched, 1 ounce> > > >> > > > 544> > > >> > > > 780> > > >> > > > Tuna, light, canned in oil, drained, 3 ounces> > > >> > > > 63> > > >> > > > 95> > > >> > > > Beef, cooked, 3½ ounces> > > >> > > > 35> > > >> > > > 50> >

> >> > > > Spaghetti w/ meat sauce, frozen entrée, 1 serving> > > >> > > > 34> > > >> > > > 50> > > >> > > > Cod, cooked, 3 ounces> > > >> > > > 32> > > >> > > > 45> > > >> > > > Turkey, light meat, roasted, 3½ ounces> > > >> > > > 32> > > >> > > > 45> > > >> > > > Beef chuck roast, lean only, roasted, 3 ounces> > > >> > > > 23> > > >> > > > 35> > > >> > > > Chicken Breast, meat only, roasted, 3½ ounces> > > >> > > > 20> > > >> > > > 30> > > >> > > >

Noodles, enriched, boiled, 1/2 cup> > > >> > > > 17> > > >> > > > 25> > > >> > > > Macaroni, elbow, enriched, boiled, 1/2 cup> > > >> > > > 15> > > >> > > > 20> > > >> > > > Egg, whole, 1 medium> > > >> > > > 14> > > >> > > > 20> > > >> > > > Cottage cheese, low fat 2%, 1/2 cup> > > >> > > > 12> > > >> > > > 15> > > >> > > > Oatmeal, instant, fortified, cooked, 1 cup> > > >> > > > 12> > > >> > > > 15> > > >> > > > Rice, white, enriched, long grain, cooked, 1/2 cup> > >

>> > > > 12> > > >> > > > 15> > > >> > > > Rice, brown, long-grained, cooked, 1/2 cup> > > >> > > > 10> > > >> > > > 15> > > >> > > > Bread, enriched, whole wheat, commercially prepared, 1 slice> > > >> > > > 10> > > >> > > > 15> > > >> > > > Walnuts, black, dried, 1 ounce> > > >> > > > 5> > > >> > > > 8> > > >> > > > Bread, enriched, white, commercially prepared, 1 slice> > > >> > > > 4> > > >> > > > 6> > > >> > > > Cheddar cheese, 1 ounce> > > >> > > > 4>

> > >> > > > 6> > > >> > > >> > > > Note: Although the RDA for selenium is only 55 iu for people age 14> > and> > > > over (70 iu for pregnant and lactating women), those amounts are> > like> > > > other RDA amounts - bare minimums that do not reflect the optimum> > amount> > > > for best health, much less the therapeutic amounts needed to fight> > > > serious disease such as cancer.> > > >> > > > In the Berkson Clinical Study which found that selected> > anti-oxidants> > > > and lifestyle changes reversed what had been considered to be> > hopeless> > > > liver damage, the patients were given 400 mcg in 2 divided portions> > of> > > > 200 mcg.> > > >> >

> > Regardless of the form of selenium utlized, it is a vital co-factor> > for> > > > iodine. However, the best form of selenium is likely> > > > Se-methylselenocysteine (SeMC), especially when it comes to fighting> > and> > > > preventing cancer.> > > >> > > > Se-methylselenocysteine is found most abundantly in brocolli and> > garlic> > > > which is grown in selenium rich soils.> > > >> > > > Here is a bit of info I found:> > > >> > > > The most actively produced and sold to the public, selenomethione> > > > (SeMSC, found in in higher amounts in grains), has been> > comparatively> > > > ineffective in stopping cancer induced in animal tests. Naturally,> > it> > > > was this form of selenium -

in inorganic form at that - which was> > used> > > > in the SELECT test which purported to show that Selenium and Vitamin> > E> > > > (again the wrong form was used), which mainstream medicine has used> > as> > > > "proof" that they are ineffective against cancer.> > > >> > > > Besides being an important co-factor for iodine, selenium is now> > well> > > > established as a potent cancer-fighting trace mineral. Areas of the> > > > world with more selenium-rich soil have lower cancer rates, and a> > > > randomized, double-blind, placebo-controlled trial in the 1990s> > showed> > > > that men taking a daily 200 microgram selenium supplement> > experienced a> > > > 37% lower risk of developing new cancer, and a whopping 50% lower>

> risk> > > > of cancer death.> > > >> > > > But not all forms of selenium are equal in their cancer-fighting> > > > properties. To everyone's surprise, the last decade of scientific> > > > research has found that selenium's anticancer effect is not due to> > > > its use as part of antioxidant or detoxifying compounds in the body.> > > > It's also not linked to absolute tissue levels of selenium achieved> > > > by a given form of selenium, or to its ability to boost the immune> > > > system. Instead, the cancer-fighting potency of any form of selenium> > is> > > > linked to its ability to form methylselenol, a critical selenium> > > > metabolite in the body.> > > >> > > > As a result of this research, science has identified> >

> > Se-methylselenocysteine, or SeMC, as a form of selenium which is> > > > directly and easily converted into this key cancer-fighting> > metabolite> > > > – unlike conventional inorganic (selenite or selenate) or> > organic> > > > (selenomethionine, or selenized yeast) selenium supplements. As a> > > > result, SeMC is simultaneously more potent in its cancer-battling> > > > prowess, and less toxic per unit of cancer-fighting punch, than any> > > > other selenium supplement available.> > > >> > > > •SeMC is twice as effective as selenomethionine at reducing> > breast> > > > tumor formation after exposure to the chemical carcinogens> > > > dimethylbenz[a]anthracene (DMBA) and methylnitrosourea (MNU), and> > half> > > > again as

effective as inorganic forms.> > > >> > > > •At the same time, SeMC is much safer than inorganic selenium,> > and> > > > of comparable safety to the much less-effective selenomethionine.> > > >> > > > SeMC is the main form of selenium that accumulates in known> > > > cancer-fighting foods like broccoli, ramps, garlic, and (to a lesser> > > > extent) onions when grown in selenium-rich soil. Studies> > > > high-SeMC-cultivars of these vegetables suggest that SeMC is a key> > > > element in the cancer-fighting efficacy of these protective> > vegetables.> > > >> > > > •High-SeMC broccoli gives animals more protection against> > > > early-stage colon cancer than does an equal amount of conventional> > > > selenium, an equal amount

of regular broccoli, or even a combination> > of> > > > both.> > > >> > > > •Similar results are seen in battling abnormal cells that lead> > to> > > > breast or colon cancer using high-SeMC garlic vs. the same amount of> > > > selenium from high-selenomethionine yeast or Brazil nuts.> > > >> > > > •SeMC is proven effective in an animal model of familial> > adenomatous> > > > polyposis (FAP), a human genetic vulnerability to colon cancer. No> > other> > > > natural selenium compound has been shown to do this.> > > >> > > > Unique Mechanisms of Action: SeMC fights cancer in ways> > fundamentally> > > > different from other selenium forms.> > > >> > > > •Apoptosis vs Necrosis:

Inorganic selenium kills cancer cells> > > > through nonselective damage to the DNA and cell membranes of both> > > > healthy cells and cancer cells, leading to toxic cell death> > (necrosis).> > > > SeMC selectively activates cancer cells' "suicide program"> > > > (apoptosis) without damage to healthy cells.> > > >> > > > •Gene expression: SeMC regulates cellular growth programs,> > > > inhibiting cancer cells earlier in the cell cycle than does> > inorganic> > > > selenium.> > > >> > > > •Angiogenesis: SeMC may also act by cutting off the growing> > > > tumor's blood supply more effectively than the common selenium> > > > supplements, without interfering with the growth of blood vessels in> > > > normal, healthy

tissue.> > > >> > > > By any measure, SeMC has proved itself to be the best selenium you> > can> > > > take. The National Cancer Institute apparently agrees: it is in the> > > > process of filing "Investigational New Drug" documents to use> > > > SeMC instead of other selenium supplements in future human trials.> > > >> > > > Another thing selenium does - it binds with mercury and helps> > eliminate> > > > it from the body.> > > >> > > > Sources included:> > > >> > > > http://www.healthbulletin.org/nutrients/nutrients7.htm> > > > <http://www.healthbulletin.org/nutrients/nutrients7.htm>> > > >> > > > http://relentlessimprovement.com/catalog/semc-selenium.htm> > > >

<http://relentlessimprovement.com/catalog/semc-selenium.htm>> > > >> > > > The bottom line for me is that, unless I grew my own brocolli,> > garlic> > > > and/or onions in soil I knew to be selenium rich, I would supplement> > and> > > > I would do so with SeMC.> > > >> > > > I am going to see if I cannot get Ben at Utopia Silver to change> > over to> > > > SeMC, and I note that one of his favorite suppliers (Jarrow> > Formulas)> > > > carries it.> > > >> > > > All the best,> > > >> > > > Tony> > > >> > > >> > > > oleander soup , "tedsanford@" <tedsanford@>> > > > wrote:> > > > >> > > > >

Tony:> > > > > Can you get enough of either form by eating Brazil nuts, and if so> > how> > > > many?> > > > > Ted> > > > >> > > > > oleander soup , "TonyI" @ wrote:> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > > That form of selenium is good to use as an important co-factor> > for> > > > > > iodine and is the most common form found, but when it comes to> > > > cancer,> > > > > > the preferred form is methylselenocycteine which has its own> > cancer> > > > > > fighting abilities from what I have gathered.> > > > > >> > > > > > All the best,> > > > > >> > > > > > Tony> > >

> > >> > > > > >> > > > > > oleander soup , "ftfft" <micfo07@> wrote:> > > > > > >> > > > > > > Hi,> > > > > > > i just read Tony's protocol, and what he says seems> > > > > > > to indicate that utopiasilver's selenium is not one to use.> > > > > > >> > > > > > > Am i right?> > > > > > >> > > > > > > Because tony says "The most common form of supplemental> > selenium> > > > is> > > > > > selenomethionine whose general proteins have no anticancer> > activity"> > > > > > >> > > > > > > And utopiasilver's selenium info is:> > > > > > > Selenium (from

selenomethionine)> > > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > >> > > >> > >> >>

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Hi Barbara.

 

Yes Stevia is safe for Children and i can say safer then sugar. Stevia is a herb which i have in my garder and is fantastic for everything except baking, so go ahead and let the little one enjoy her treats.

 

Hugs Mary

 

 

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barbara elenniss

oleander soup

Friday, October 09, 2009 3:58 AM

Re: Which is the best? Re: Different forms of selenium, food sources and more

 

 

 

 

 

I purchase most all of my supplements from Life extensions and I have not been disappointed. I also buy stevia there, does anyone know if stevia is safe for kids and also the buffered powered C from LE, my little granddaughter loved it when I let her taste it, and she always wants it when she sees me drink it, but I am not sure it is safe for her. She is 4. If anyone knows I would appreciate any info.

 

thanks

barbara--- On Thu, 10/8/09, > wrote:

TonyI > Which is the best? Re: Different forms of selenium, food sources and moreoleander soup Date: Thursday, October 8, 2009, 1:45 PM

 

Yes, I am referring to Life Extension Foundation , which I am an affiliate of. Another source of curcumin that is reputed to be more bio-available than most curcumin supplements is www.turmeric-curcumin.com/

Personally, I would opt for the LEF product regardless of my affiliation with them.

oleander soup , "ftfft" <micfo07 wrote:>> when you refer to LEF,> youre referring to life extension?> > thanks> > oleander soup , "TonyI" @ wrote:> >> > > > I wasn't intending to list a supplement, just the source of some of my> > information. I guess it comes down to finding a trusted source with a> > good price for the amount of supplement. And of course I am a bit> > prejudiced, being a LEF affiliate (because I do trust the quality of the> > majority of their products).> > > > All the best,> > > > Tony> > > > > > oleander soup , "ftfft" <micfo07@> wrote:> > >> > > That was a really good article Tony. Super.> > >> > > You listed this supplement:> > > http://relentlessimprovement.com/catalog/semc-selenium.ht> > > m> > > And someone else on this forum recently listed the following one,> > which seem to have more selenium:> > > http://www.lifeextensionvitamins.com/noname9.html> > >> > > By comparing, which one is the best?> > >> > > thanks!> > >> > > oleander soup , "TonyI" @ wrote:> > > >> > > >> > > > Most forms of selenium found in nature are either sodium selenite,> > > > selenomethionine, or selenium cysteine. By far the most common form> > is> > > > selenomethionine, and this includes the majority of the selenium> > found> > > > in Brazil nuts (which are the richest source of selenium found in> > > > nature, having as much as 533 iu per ounce).> > > >> > > > Selected food sources of selenium> > > >> > > >> > > > Food> > > >> > > > Micrograms> > > > (μg)> > > >> > > > Percent> > > > DV*> > > >> > > > Brazil nuts, dried, unblanched, 1 ounce> > > >> > > > 544> > > >> > > > 780> > > >> > > > Tuna, light, canned in oil, drained, 3 ounces> > > >> > > > 63> > > >> > > > 95> > > >> > > > Beef, cooked, 3½ ounces> > > >> > > > 35> > > >> > > > 50> > > >> > > > Spaghetti w/ meat sauce, frozen entrée, 1 serving> > > >> > > > 34> > > >> > > > 50> > > >> > > > Cod, cooked, 3 ounces> > > >> > > > 32> > > >> > > > 45> > > >> > > > Turkey, light meat, roasted, 3½ ounces> > > >> > > > 32> > > >> > > > 45> > > >> > > > Beef chuck roast, lean only, roasted, 3 ounces> > > >> > > > 23> > > >> > > > 35> > > >> > > > Chicken Breast, meat only, roasted, 3½ ounces> > > >> > > > 20> > > >> > > > 30> > > >> > > > Noodles, enriched, boiled, 1/2 cup> > > >> > > > 17> > > >> > > > 25> > > >> > > > Macaroni, elbow, enriched, boiled, 1/2 cup> > > >> > > > 15> > > >> > > > 20> > > >> > > > Egg, whole, 1 medium> > > >> > > > 14> > > >> > > > 20> > > >> > > > Cottage cheese, low fat 2%, 1/2 cup> > > >> > > > 12> > > >> > > > 15> > > >> > > > Oatmeal, instant, fortified, cooked, 1 cup> > > >> > > > 12> > > >> > > > 15> > > >> > > > Rice, white, enriched, long grain, cooked, 1/2 cup> > > >> > > > 12> > > >> > > > 15> > > >> > > > Rice, brown, long-grained, cooked, 1/2 cup> > > >> > > > 10> > > >> > > > 15> > > >> > > > Bread, enriched, whole wheat, commercially prepared, 1 slice> > > >> > > > 10> > > >> > > > 15> > > >> > > > Walnuts, black, dried, 1 ounce> > > >> > > > 5> > > >> > > > 8> > > >> > > > Bread, enriched, white, commercially prepared, 1 slice> > > >> > > > 4> > > >> > > > 6> > > >> > > > Cheddar cheese, 1 ounce> > > >> > > > 4> > > >> > > > 6> > > >> > > >> > > > Note: Although the RDA for selenium is only 55 iu for people age 14> > and> > > > over (70 iu for pregnant and lactating women), those amounts are> > like> > > > other RDA amounts - bare minimums that do not reflect the optimum> > amount> > > > for best health, much less the therapeutic amounts needed to fight> > > > serious disease such as cancer.> > > >> > > > In the Berkson Clinical Study which found that selected> > anti-oxidants> > > > and lifestyle changes reversed what had been considered to be> > hopeless> > > > liver damage, the patients were given 400 mcg in 2 divided portions> > of> > > > 200 mcg.> > > >> > > > Regardless of the form of selenium utlized, it is a vital co-factor> > for> > > > iodine. However, the best form of selenium is likely> > > > Se-methylselenocysteine (SeMC), especially when it comes to fighting> > and> > > > preventing cancer.> > > >> > > > Se-methylselenocysteine is found most abundantly in brocolli and> > garlic> > > > which is grown in selenium rich soils.> > > >> > > > Here is a bit of info I found:> > > >> > > > The most actively produced and sold to the public, selenomethione> > > > (SeMSC, found in in higher amounts in grains), has been> > comparatively> > > > ineffective in stopping cancer induced in animal tests. Naturally,> > it> > > > was this form of selenium - in inorganic form at that - which was> > used> > > > in the SELECT test which purported to show that Selenium and Vitamin> > E> > > > (again the wrong form was used), which mainstream medicine has used> > as> > > > "proof" that they are ineffective against cancer.> > > >> > > > Besides being an important co-factor for iodine, selenium is now> > well> > > > established as a potent cancer-fighting trace mineral. Areas of the> > > > world with more selenium-rich soil have lower cancer rates, and a> > > > randomized, double-blind, placebo-controlled trial in the 1990s> > showed> > > > that men taking a daily 200 microgram selenium supplement> > experienced a> > > > 37% lower risk of developing new cancer, and a whopping 50% lower> > risk> > > > of cancer death.> > > >> > > > But not all forms of selenium are equal in their cancer-fighting> > > > properties. To everyone's surprise, the last decade of scientific> > > > research has found that selenium's anticancer effect is not due to> > > > its use as part of antioxidant or detoxifying compounds in the body.> > > > It's also not linked to absolute tissue levels of selenium achieved> > > > by a given form of selenium, or to its ability to boost the immune> > > > system. Instead, the cancer-fighting potency of any form of selenium> > is> > > > linked to its ability to form methylselenol, a critical selenium> > > > metabolite in the body.> > > >> > > > As a result of this research, science has identified> > > > Se-methylselenocysteine, or SeMC, as a form of selenium which is> > > > directly and easily converted into this key cancer-fighting> > metabolite> > > > – unlike conventional inorganic (selenite or selenate) or> > organic> > > > (selenomethionine, or selenized yeast) selenium supplements. As a> > > > result, SeMC is simultaneously more potent in its cancer-battling> > > > prowess, and less toxic per unit of cancer-fighting punch, than any> > > > other selenium supplement available.> > > >> > > > •SeMC is twice as effective as selenomethionine at reducing> > breast> > > > tumor formation after exposure to the chemical carcinogens> > > > dimethylbenz[a]anthracene (DMBA) and methylnitrosourea (MNU), and> > half> > > > again as effective as inorganic forms.> > > >> > > > •At the same time, SeMC is much safer than inorganic selenium,> > and> > > > of comparable safety to the much less-effective selenomethionine.> > > >> > > > SeMC is the main form of selenium that accumulates in known> > > > cancer-fighting foods like broccoli, ramps, garlic, and (to a lesser> > > > extent) onions when grown in selenium-rich soil. Studies> > > > high-SeMC-cultivars of these vegetables suggest that SeMC is a key> > > > element in the cancer-fighting efficacy of these protective> > vegetables.> > > >> > > > •High-SeMC broccoli gives animals more protection against> > > > early-stage colon cancer than does an equal amount of conventional> > > > selenium, an equal amount of regular broccoli, or even a combination> > of> > > > both.> > > >> > > > •Similar results are seen in battling abnormal cells that lead> > to> > > > breast or colon cancer using high-SeMC garlic vs. the same amount of> > > > selenium from high-selenomethionine yeast or Brazil nuts.> > > >> > > > •SeMC is proven effective in an animal model of familial> > adenomatous> > > > polyposis (FAP), a human genetic vulnerability to colon cancer. No> > other> > > > natural selenium compound has been shown to do this.> > > >> > > > Unique Mechanisms of Action: SeMC fights cancer in ways> > fundamentally> > > > different from other selenium forms.> > > >> > > > •Apoptosis vs Necrosis: Inorganic selenium kills cancer cells> > > > through nonselective damage to the DNA and cell membranes of both> > > > healthy cells and cancer cells, leading to toxic cell death> > (necrosis).> > > > SeMC selectively activates cancer cells' "suicide program"> > > > (apoptosis) without damage to healthy cells.> > > >> > > > •Gene expression: SeMC regulates cellular growth programs,> > > > inhibiting cancer cells earlier in the cell cycle than does> > inorganic> > > > selenium.> > > >> > > > •Angiogenesis: SeMC may also act by cutting off the growing> > > > tumor's blood supply more effectively than the common selenium> > > > supplements, without interfering with the growth of blood vessels in> > > > normal, healthy tissue.> > > >> > > > By any measure, SeMC has proved itself to be the best selenium you> > can> > > > take. The National Cancer Institute apparently agrees: it is in the> > > > process of filing "Investigational New Drug" documents to use> > > > SeMC instead of other selenium supplements in future human trials.> > > >> > > > Another thing selenium does - it binds with mercury and helps> > eliminate> > > > it from the body.> > > >> > > > Sources included:> > > >> > > > http://www.healthbulletin.org/nutrients/nutrients7htm> > > > <http://www.healthbulletin.org/nutrients/nutrients7.htm>> > > >> > > > http://relentlessimprovement.com/catalog/semc-selenium.htm> > > > <http://relentlessimprovement.com/catalog/semc-selenium..htm>> > > >> > > > The bottom line for me is that, unless I grew my own brocolli,> > garlic> > > > and/or onions in soil I knew to be selenium rich, I would supplement> > and> > > > I would do so with SeMC.> > > >> > > > I am going to see if I cannot get Ben at Utopia Silver to change> > over to> > > > SeMC, and I note that one of his favorite suppliers (Jarrow> > Formulas)> > > > carries it.> > > >> > > > All the best,> > > >> > > > Tony> > > >> > > >> > > > oleander soup , "tedsanford@" <tedsanford@>> > > > wrote:> > > > >> > > > > Tony:> > > > > Can you get enough of either form by eating Brazil nuts, and if so> > how> > > > many?> > > > > Ted> > > > >> > > > > oleander soup , "TonyI" @ wrote:> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > > That form of selenium is good to use as an important co-factor> > for> > > > > > iodine and is the most common form found, but when it comes to> > > > cancer,> > > > > > the preferred form is methylselenocycteine which has its own> > cancer> > > > > > fighting abilities from what I have gathered.> > > > > >> > > > > > All the best,> > > > > >> > > > > > Tony> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > > oleander soup , "ftfft" <micfo07@> wrote:> > > > > > >> > > > > > > Hi,> > > > > > > i just read Tony's protocol, and what he says seems> > > > > > > to indicate that utopiasilver's selenium is not one to use.> > > > > > >> > > > > > > Am i right?> > > > > > >> > > > > > > Because tony says "The most common form of supplemental> > selenium> > > > is> > > > > > selenomethionine whose general proteins have no anticancer> > activity"> > > > > > >> > > > > > > And utopiasilver's selenium info is:> > > > > > > Selenium (from selenomethionine)> > > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > >> > > >> > >> >>