Guest guest Posted March 8, 2004 Report Share Posted March 8, 2004 First question: Did the patient have chemotherapy with his cancer surgery? Often this is a cause of numbness in the feet, depending on the chemo regimen. Secondly, don't 'detox' unless you are sure that there truly is lead poisoning. This will probably require blood tests. Don't assume this or treat on this hypothesis. Which zang-fu or channels would you be 'detoxing'? The liver? The concept of liver detox is not in the realm of Chinese medical treatment. As practitioners of Chinese medicine, pattern differentiation is the tried and true tool we have to work with. On Mar 7, 2004, at 1:11 PM, Marjorie Davidson wrote: > Hi all, > I have a patient coming in next week for numbness at the bottom of one > foot, > amongst other health complaints... > He has worked with lead for many years, and wonders if this has caused > the > problem. > Has anyone worked with patients using herbs for a detoxification of > heavy > metals? I am concerned about not detoxing too quickly as to avoid > further > injury to the organs. > Does anyone know of which herbs may be helpful, in conjunction with the > herbs for treating root and other branch symptoms as well, of course. > He has also had a cancerous section of his large intestine removed a > couple > of years ago, after his bleeding stools had been left unattented too > by his > medical dr, as he stated. > Anyone have any experience with removal of heavy metals? > thanks, > Marjorie > > > > > Chinese Herbal Medicine offers various professional services, > including board approved continuing education classes, an annual > conference and a free discussion forum in Chinese Herbal Medicine. > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 8, 2004 Report Share Posted March 8, 2004 The only thing I've seen work quickly and well is chelation, but it's expensive. Support with haizao and kunbu plus pattern diagnosis. David Leonard >> Has anyone worked with patients using herbs for a detoxification of >> heavy ************************* David Bruce Leonard, L.Ac. Medicine at your Feet 'Awapuhi Health Sanctuary http://www.medicineatyourfeet.com http://www.awapuhihealth.com Just when you thought it was safe... http://www.garynull.com/documents/iatrogenic/deathbymedicine/deathbymedicine 1.htm Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 8, 2004 Report Share Posted March 8, 2004 Thanks for your responses, I don't know if the fellow has had chemo or not as I haven't diagnosed him yet, and yes I am consistent with pattern discrimination so would detoxify according to organ and channel signs,etc. I do appreciate that the concept of liver " detox " is not in the realm of Chinese medicine, but I don't think that I fully understand the parameters of the " energetics " of the organs yet? I had a new patient last week, who said she is just recovering from extreme detoxification from heavy metals using chelation therapy. It has taken her years to get her strength back. I will tread cautiously to be sure. thanks Marjorie > First question: > Did the patient have chemotherapy with his cancer surgery? Often this > is a cause of numbness in the feet, depending on the chemo regimen. > > Secondly, don't 'detox' unless you are sure that there truly is lead > poisoning. This will probably require blood tests. Don't assume this > or treat on this hypothesis. Which zang-fu or channels would you be > 'detoxing'? The liver? The concept of liver detox is not in the realm > of Chinese medical treatment. > > As practitioners of Chinese medicine, pattern differentiation is the > tried and true tool we have to work with. > > > On Mar 7, 2004, at 1:11 PM, Marjorie Davidson wrote: > > > Hi all, > > I have a patient coming in next week for numbness at the bottom of one > > foot, > > amongst other health complaints... > > He has worked with lead for many years, and wonders if this has caused > > the > > problem. > > Has anyone worked with patients using herbs for a detoxification of > > heavy > > metals? I am concerned about not detoxing too quickly as to avoid > > further > > injury to the organs. > > Does anyone know of which herbs may be helpful, in conjunction with the > > herbs for treating root and other branch symptoms as well, of course. > > He has also had a cancerous section of his large intestine removed a > > couple > > of years ago, after his bleeding stools had been left unattented too > > by his > > medical dr, as he stated. > > Anyone have any experience with removal of heavy metals? > > thanks, > > Marjorie > > > > > > > > > > Chinese Herbal Medicine offers various professional services, > > including board approved continuing education classes, an annual > > conference and a free discussion forum in Chinese Herbal Medicine. > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 9, 2004 Report Share Posted March 9, 2004 Marjorie, Isn't it true that chelation therapy can also remove essential minerals from the body. Wouldn't that feel devastating in its own right?? Ann > Thanks for your responses, > I don't know if the fellow has had chemo or not as I haven't diagnosed him > yet, and yes I am consistent with pattern discrimination so would detoxify > according to organ and channel signs,etc. > > I do appreciate that the concept of liver " detox " is not in the realm of > Chinese medicine, but I don't think that I fully understand the parameters > of the " energetics " of the organs yet? > > > I had a new patient last week, who said she is just recovering from extreme > detoxification from heavy metals using chelation therapy. It has taken her > years to get her strength back. > I will tread cautiously to be sure. > thanks > Marjorie > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 30, 2005 Report Share Posted March 30, 2005 I have just found an inexpensive heavy metal test kit that supposedly tests for free running heavy metals through urine. IT uses no chelation product prior to test. Its sales pitch it that it only finds what the body cannot handle. Meaning if the body has already stored it away in the connective tissue then it really is not a problem. If it is free running throughout the blood it is causing an immense amount of damage and this is what it tests for. It is distributed by ACUPEDS. Any comments. I am skeptical, but curious. >>>>>Most heavy metals are stored in fat tissues including brain, which is mostly fat tissue. Not using a chelating product can only measure what is in circulation which does not give you all the info you need. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 16, 2005 Report Share Posted October 16, 2005 Roger You may want to check out this article. It looks like they are saying that homeopathic Chlorella and cilantro work best. http://www.i-c-m.org.uk/journal/2005/sep/a01.htm Oakland, CA 94609 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 17, 2005 Report Share Posted October 17, 2005 Thanks for the reference. These results are very consistent with what my own sources have been saying for years. I've never relied on only a single product or herb for heavy metal detox. Cilantro has long been thought to mobilize mercury and other heavy metals, but not good at chelating and inducing excretion, and the article below seems to be confirm this. In the early days, I was somewhat skeptical of using cilantro tincture instead of fresh raw cilantro, as many insisted only the latter would work. If one does a calculation of the active ingredients likely to be dissolved in 60 drops of tincture, it is far less that one would ingest with the raw herb. However, I've heard thoughts among some western herbalists that herbal tinctures may have properties somewhere in between water decoctions and low-dilution homeopathics. In any case, in the past few years I've gradually shifted to using cilantro tincture with similar results to eating several ounces of raw cilantro per day. I almost always use a combination of cell-wall-cracked chlorella, cilantro tincture, and organically-certified seaweeds, which have similar chelating effects to chlorella in the GI tract, but without many of the tonifying properties of chlorella. Plus a range of other dietary measures depending upon TCM patterns (possibly including garlic, onions, crucifers, turmeric, mung beans, eggs, pumpkin seeds, fang feng). I note that in the research described in the article, only homeopathic chlorella plus CFG (chrorella growth factor) was used. Was this to cut down the expense, as the stated goal was to develop an economical product for use in 3rd world countries? I wonder if homeopathic cell-wall-cracked chlorella would be an acceptable alternative for the significant number of people who have allergic-like sensitivities to full-strength chlorella? + a homeopathic-type question: Who knows what is a " homaccord of homoeopathic chlorella " and what are the manufacturing steps? ---Roger Wicke, PhD, TCM Clinical Herbalist contact: www.rmhiherbal.org/contact/ Rocky Mountain Herbal Institute, Hot Springs, Montana USA Clinical herbology training programs - www.rmhiherbal.org > " " <alonmarcus >Re: Re: Heavy metals > >Roger >You may want to check out this article. It looks like they are saying that >homeopathic Chlorella and cilantro work best. >http://www.i-c-m.org.uk/journal/2005/sep/a01.htm > > > > > >Oakland, CA 94609 > > > ---Roger Wicke, PhD, TCM Clinical Herbalist contact: www.rmhiherbal.org/contact/ Rocky Mountain Herbal Institute, Hot Springs, Montana USA Clinical herbology training programs - www.rmhiherbal.org Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 17, 2005 Report Share Posted October 17, 2005 I note that in the research described in the article, only homeopathic chlorella plus CFG (chrorella growth factor) was used. Was this to cut down the expense, as the stated goal was to develop an economical product for use in 3rd world countries? I wonder if homeopathic cell-wall-cracked Chlorella would be an acceptable alternative for the significant number of people who have allergic-like sensitivities to full-strength chlorella >>>> Roger I did not read the article carefully but i thought they compared homeopathic preparation to Chlorella. By the way have you used alginate? Oakland, CA 94609 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 6, 2009 Report Share Posted October 6, 2009 Thank you everyone for the very good suggestions for detoxing those metals. I've thrown so much money at them, thought I had it nearly licked, and now it appears I have as much metal in me as ever. Time to look for cheaper detox methods. I really appreciate your input. Thanks. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 6, 2009 Report Share Posted October 6, 2009 I had a similar excercise a few years back when I opted to have my amalgams removed. Before I knew it I had a full blown return of cancer crisis back on my hands. I struggled getting my arms around it until I purchased two books and followed Andrew Cutler's guidance carefully. " Amalgam Illness Diagnosis and Treatment " and " Hair Test Interpretation: Finding Hidden Toxicities " both by Andrew Cutler. This entry on curezone says it better than I can: http://curezone.com/faq/q.asp?a=3,76 & q=102 Cutler's books both available here: http://lymebook.com/ for $35 ea.... (no affiliation) I tried following any number of Doctors, web sites, gurus, etc. All was a waste. Following Cutler's guidance I got it squared away over about 18 months...... I was not able to figure Cutler's protocol(s) from the web..... I needed to spend the $70. Good Luck & Good Health, Del - <mdunsmoor <oleander soup > Tuesday, October 06, 2009 3:37 PM heavy metals > Thank you everyone for the very good suggestions for detoxing those > metals. I've thrown so much money at them, thought I had it nearly > licked, and now it appears I have as much metal in me as ever. Time to > look for cheaper detox methods. I really appreciate your input. Thanks. > > > > --- > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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