Guest guest Posted September 28, 2009 Report Share Posted September 28, 2009 Hi Guys I have pancreatic cancer and due to its size and position at the head of the pancreas, it is not operable and chemo etc has been rejected by me based on the simple maths of success versus pain etc. Strangely enough though, the professor at the top of his tree still wanted to push me into it despite me learning as time went on that pancreatic cancer and chemo is not a success story. But I'm sure we have all heard this many times over. We have followed Tony's " prescription " more or less over the past 18 months (that's many many months over my use by date...yeeehaa!) but stopped taking Oleander a few months back because of searing pain and a general lack of life. We stopped everything in fact other than good food as I simply needed to put on weight to give my body some sort of engine to fight with. My wife Jacky has raised me back from a " pulse on a pillow " to now having a life back and has been an advocate of Oleander for a long time and a couple of weeks ago I agreed to start again on Oleander. (We are back full on with the other supplements too and have been on the latter for 4 months now.) I have built up to 3 tabs Oleander per day over the past 2 weeks. However, the pain is back big time plus nausea. It is almost impossible to push through the pain without morphine and the downside is that to get control of the pain leaves me in a near dreamlike state with little or no enthuiasm for anything, including appetite. The pain is different than what I class as normal (very central to tumor, like a vice screwing tighter) and I understand that Oleander can cause pain at the site plus Nausea. If I drop right back to 1 cap a day does anyone know if its possible to build up slowly without pain or very little pain. Im open to any suggestions as I would really like to continue oleander if possible. Thanks in advance Cheers Mike Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 28, 2009 Report Share Posted September 28, 2009 Dear Mike, In addition to following Tony's protocol (which I strongly recommend) there are a few things you should consider. Cannabis oil (not hemp seed oil) has shown to be a cure for many types of cancer and I think it is something you should consider. It will at the very least get rid of your nausea and increase your appetite, and may very well rid you of your disease. You would need to take 60 grams over a 90 day period. Obviously you need to procure the marijuana... if you live in a state where medical marijuana is legal then you can do this with little effort. Contact Rick Simpson at Phoenixtears.ca. He is located in Canada but may be able to help and guide you. Watch Run From The Cure to learn more. I wish you the best of luck. Make sure you don't consume any dairy food or coffee, and try to eat an all organic mostly vegetarian diet too. Bob - " jax.abbott " <jax.abbott <oleander soup > Sunday, September 27, 2009 7:51 PM Pain and Pancreatic cancer > Hi Guys > I have pancreatic cancer and due to its size and position at the head of > the pancreas, it is not operable and chemo etc has been rejected by me > based on the simple maths of success versus pain etc. Strangely enough > though, the professor at the top of his tree still wanted to push me into > it despite me learning as time went on that pancreatic cancer and chemo is > not a success story. But I'm sure we have all heard this many times over. > We have followed Tony's " prescription " more or less over the past 18 > months (that's many many months over my use by date...yeeehaa!) but > stopped taking Oleander a few months back because of searing pain and a > general lack of life. We stopped everything in fact other than good food > as I simply needed to put on weight to give my body some sort of engine to > fight with. > My wife Jacky has raised me back from a " pulse on a pillow " to now having > a life back and has been an advocate of Oleander for a long time and a > couple of weeks ago I agreed to start again on Oleander. (We are back full > on with the other supplements too and have been on the latter for 4 months > now.) I have built up to 3 tabs Oleander per day over the past 2 weeks. > However, the pain is back big time plus nausea. It is almost impossible to > push through the pain without morphine and the downside is that to get > control of the pain leaves me in a near dreamlike state with little or no > enthuiasm for anything, including appetite. The pain is different than > what I class as normal (very central to tumor, like a vice screwing > tighter) and I understand that Oleander can cause pain at the site plus > Nausea. > If I drop right back to 1 cap a day does anyone know if its possible to > build up slowly without pain or very little pain. > > Im open to any suggestions as I would really like to continue oleander if > possible. > > Thanks in advance > > Cheers > Mike > > > > --- > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 28, 2009 Report Share Posted September 28, 2009 Mike - I am glad you are returning to the oleander - and just remember, cancer never takes a break. Yes, working your way up should help you adjust better. Even so, there is likely to be some pain at the cancer sites and nausea as well, though both normally pass in time. One must realize that cancer incorporates itself into our organs and body and becomes a part of us - one we want to eradicate and/or restore to normal. Any time you are removing and eliminating a part of the body, or even killing off cells, there is liable to be pain involved. Hydrotherapy and EFT can help with the pain. Nature offers few alteratives to the more powerful prescription pain killers such as opiates. Three that I know of are Kratom, Lady's Slipper and Indian Pipe. Not sure about the other two, but one can become dependent on Kratom from what I have read, but my understanding is that withdrawal is less bothersome. Hopefully you can eventually build to three or more capsules twice daily and that you also take plenty of blackseed oil (Nigella sativa) and pancreatic enzymes (make sure that chymotrypsin is involved as well as serrapeptase), plenty of curcumin, as well as doing as much of the rest of the suggested protocol as possible, including the flaxseed and cottage cheese (or quark or organic goat's milk yogurt). Not that I would advocate skirmishing with the law, but marijuana can help with appetite as well as pain. Just be sure that you don't give in to cravings for such items as hostess twinkies or snowballs and other such sugary treats. Not that I would know anything about that. Well, OK, I once was young believe it or not . . . Pancreatic cancer is no walk in the park, but oleander has beaten it. All the best, oleander soup , "jax.abbott" <jax.abbott wrote:>> Hi Guys> I have pancreatic cancer and due to its size and position at the head of the pancreas, it is not operable and chemo etc has been rejected by me based on the simple maths of success versus pain etc. Strangely enough though, the professor at the top of his tree still wanted to push me into it despite me learning as time went on that pancreatic cancer and chemo is not a success story. But I'm sure we have all heard this many times over.> We have followed Tony's "prescription" more or less over the past 18 months (that's many many months over my use by date...yeeehaa!) but stopped taking Oleander a few months back because of searing pain and a general lack of life. We stopped everything in fact other than good food as I simply needed to put on weight to give my body some sort of engine to fight with.> My wife Jacky has raised me back from a "pulse on a pillow" to now having a life back and has been an advocate of Oleander for a long time and a couple of weeks ago I agreed to start again on Oleander. (We are back full on with the other supplements too and have been on the latter for 4 months now.) I have built up to 3 tabs Oleander per day over the past 2 weeks.> However, the pain is back big time plus nausea. It is almost impossible to push through the pain without morphine and the downside is that to get control of the pain leaves me in a near dreamlike state with little or no enthuiasm for anything, including appetite. The pain is different than what I class as normal (very central to tumor, like a vice screwing tighter) and I understand that Oleander can cause pain at the site plus Nausea. > If I drop right back to 1 cap a day does anyone know if its possible to build up slowly without pain or very little pain.> > Im open to any suggestions as I would really like to continue oleander if possible.> > Thanks in advance> > Cheers> Mike> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 28, 2009 Report Share Posted September 28, 2009 Hi Tony, you say that someone with pancreatic cancer should use pancreatic enzymes that have both chymotrypsin AND serrapeptase. Univase forte doesnt have serrapeptase as listed. Does that mean its lacking something and for a cancer patient you absolutely need to buy another product with serrapeptase..? thanks Olivier oleander soup , "" wrote: > > > Mike - > > I am glad you are returning to the oleander - and just remember, cancer > never takes a break. Yes, working your way up should help you adjust > better. Even so, there is likely to be some pain at the cancer sites > and nausea as well, though both normally pass in time. One must realize > that cancer incorporates itself into our organs and body and becomes a > part of us - one we want to eradicate and/or restore to normal. Any > time you are removing and eliminating a part of the body, or even > killing off cells, there is liable to be pain involved. > > Hydrotherapy and EFT can help with the pain. Nature offers few > alteratives to the more powerful prescription pain killers such as > opiates. Three that I know of are Kratom, Lady's Slipper and Indian > Pipe. Not sure about the other two, but one can become dependent on > Kratom from what I have read, but my understanding is that withdrawal is > less bothersome. > > Hopefully you can eventually build to three or more capsules twice daily > and that you also take plenty of blackseed oil (Nigella sativa) and > pancreatic enzymes (make sure that chymotrypsin is involved as well as > serrapeptase), plenty of curcumin, as well as doing as much of the rest > of the suggested protocol as possible, including the flaxseed and > cottage cheese (or quark or organic goat's milk yogurt). > > Not that I would advocate skirmishing with the law, but marijuana can > help with appetite as well as pain. Just be sure that you don't give in > to cravings for such items as hostess twinkies or snowballs and other > such sugary treats. Not that I would know anything about that. Well, > OK, I once was young believe it or not . . . [] > > Pancreatic cancer is no walk in the park, but oleander has beaten it. > > All the best, > > > > > oleander soup , " jax.abbott " <jax.abbott@> > wrote: > > > > Hi Guys > > I have pancreatic cancer and due to its size and position at the head > of the pancreas, it is not operable and chemo etc has been rejected by > me based on the simple maths of success versus pain etc. Strangely > enough though, the professor at the top of his tree still wanted to push > me into it despite me learning as time went on that pancreatic cancer > and chemo is not a success story. But I'm sure we have all heard this > many times over. > > We have followed Tony's " prescription " more or less over the past 18 > months (that's many many months over my use by date...yeeehaa!) but > stopped taking Oleander a few months back because of searing pain and a > general lack of life. We stopped everything in fact other than good food > as I simply needed to put on weight to give my body some sort of engine > to fight with. > > My wife Jacky has raised me back from a " pulse on a pillow " to now > having a life back and has been an advocate of Oleander for a long time > and a couple of weeks ago I agreed to start again on Oleander. (We are > back full on with the other supplements too and have been on the latter > for 4 months now.) I have built up to 3 tabs Oleander per day over the > past 2 weeks. > > However, the pain is back big time plus nausea. It is almost > impossible to push through the pain without morphine and the downside is > that to get control of the pain leaves me in a near dreamlike state with > little or no enthuiasm for anything, including appetite. The pain is > different than what I class as normal (very central to tumor, like a > vice screwing tighter) and I understand that Oleander can cause pain at > the site plus Nausea. > > If I drop right back to 1 cap a day does anyone know if its possible > to build up slowly without pain or very little pain. > > > > Im open to any suggestions as I would really like to continue oleander > if possible. > > > > Thanks in advance > > > > Cheers > > Mike > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 28, 2009 Report Share Posted September 28, 2009 oleander soup , " jax.abbott " <jax.abbott wrote: >Hello, my name is Cypriano and I am new to the group. My wife had rectal cancer and she is healed by the grace of GOD and his healing love. Look, we have not used oleander, although we had put it in our arsenal to consider. Please make sure that you are getting your oleander from a reliable source due to the toxicity. Have you studied the work of Dr. William Kelly? have you gone to beyond health web site? Please continue your journey to recovery and study as much as you can. Cypriano > Hi Guys > I have pancreatic cancer and due to its size and position at the head of the pancreas, it is not operable and chemo etc has been rejected by me based on the simple maths of success versus pain etc. Strangely enough though, the professor at the top of his tree still wanted to push me into it despite me learning as time went on that pancreatic cancer and chemo is not a success story. But I'm sure we have all heard this many times over. > We have followed Tony's " prescription " more or less over the past 18 months (that's many many months over my use by date...yeeehaa!) but stopped taking Oleander a few months back because of searing pain and a general lack of life. We stopped everything in fact other than good food as I simply needed to put on weight to give my body some sort of engine to fight with. > My wife Jacky has raised me back from a " pulse on a pillow " to now having a life back and has been an advocate of Oleander for a long time and a couple of weeks ago I agreed to start again on Oleander. (We are back full on with the other supplements too and have been on the latter for 4 months now.) I have built up to 3 tabs Oleander per day over the past 2 weeks. > However, the pain is back big time plus nausea. It is almost impossible to push through the pain without morphine and the downside is that to get control of the pain leaves me in a near dreamlike state with little or no enthuiasm for anything, including appetite. The pain is different than what I class as normal (very central to tumor, like a vice screwing tighter) and I understand that Oleander can cause pain at the site plus Nausea. > If I drop right back to 1 cap a day does anyone know if its possible to build up slowly without pain or very little pain. > > Im open to any suggestions as I would really like to continue oleander if possible. > > Thanks in advance > > Cheers > Mike > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 28, 2009 Report Share Posted September 28, 2009 Hi Cypriano and welcome to the group - Just so you can rest assured, I have spent thousands of hours and years researching oleander and cancer alternatives. In fact, I wrote the book about oleander - "Cancer's Natural Enemy ". We've been around now for over 5 years, have over 150o members and in all that time there has not been one single life-threatening event reported for any of the sources of oleander we recommend. There have been a great many people through oleander and the grace of God who are still alive thanks to oleander. Yes, we (or at least I) are very familiar with the work of Donald Kelly, which is why we recommend pancreatic enzymes as part of a pancreatic cancer fighting protocol. All the best, oleander soup , "aguerriaandassociates" <caguerria wrote:>> oleander soup , "jax.abbott" jax.abbott@ wrote:> >Hello, my name is Cypriano and I am new to the group. My wife had rectal cancer and she is healed by the grace of GOD and his healing love. Look, we have not used oleander, although we had put it in our arsenal to consider. Please make sure that you are getting your oleander from a reliable source due to the toxicity. Have you studied the work of Dr. William Kelly? have you gone to beyond health web site? Please continue your journey to recovery and study as much as you can.> > Cypriano > > Hi Guys> > I have pancreatic cancer and due to its size and position at the head of the pancreas, it is not operable and chemo etc has been rejected by me based on the simple maths of success versus pain etc. Strangely enough though, the professor at the top of his tree still wanted to push me into it despite me learning as time went on that pancreatic cancer and chemo is not a success story. But I'm sure we have all heard this many times over.> > We have followed Tony's "prescription" more or less over the past 18 months (that's many many months over my use by date...yeeehaa!) but stopped taking Oleander a few months back because of searing pain and a general lack of life. We stopped everything in fact other than good food as I simply needed to put on weight to give my body some sort of engine to fight with.> > My wife Jacky has raised me back from a "pulse on a pillow" to now having a life back and has been an advocate of Oleander for a long time and a couple of weeks ago I agreed to start again on Oleander. (We are back full on with the other supplements too and have been on the latter for 4 months now.) I have built up to 3 tabs Oleander per day over the past 2 weeks.> > However, the pain is back big time plus nausea. It is almost impossible to push through the pain without morphine and the downside is that to get control of the pain leaves me in a near dreamlike state with little or no enthuiasm for anything, including appetite. The pain is different than what I class as normal (very central to tumor, like a vice screwing tighter) and I understand that Oleander can cause pain at the site plus Nausea. > > If I drop right back to 1 cap a day does anyone know if its possible to build up slowly without pain or very little pain.> > > > Im open to any suggestions as I would really like to continue oleander if possible.> > > > Thanks in advance> > > > Cheers> > Mike> >> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 28, 2009 Report Share Posted September 28, 2009 No, I say that I prefer to include serrapeptase as one of the digestive enzymes to use against virtually all cancers, and especially against scars and other issues such as fibromyalgia because it is so effective at dissolvin fibrin and. presumably, the outer coating of tumors and viruses. Univase Forte is missing nothing. Serrapeptase is simply something I like to add. The same is true of bromelain. All the best, oleander soup , "hologrammy2002" <micfo07 wrote:>> Hi Tony,> > you say that someone with pancreatic cancer should> use pancreatic enzymes that have both chymotrypsin> AND serrapeptase.> > Univase forte doesnt have serrapeptase as listed.> Does that mean its lacking something and> for a cancer patient you absolutely need to buy another> product with serrapeptase..?> > thanks> Olivier> oleander soup , "TonyI" @ wrote:> >> > > > Mike -> > > > I am glad you are returning to the oleander - and just remember, cancer> > never takes a break. Yes, working your way up should help you adjust> > better. Even so, there is likely to be some pain at the cancer sites> > and nausea as well, though both normally pass in time. One must realize> > that cancer incorporates itself into our organs and body and becomes a> > part of us - one we want to eradicate and/or restore to normal. Any> > time you are removing and eliminating a part of the body, or even> > killing off cells, there is liable to be pain involved.> > > > Hydrotherapy and EFT can help with the pain. Nature offers few> > alteratives to the more powerful prescription pain killers such as> > opiates. Three that I know of are Kratom, Lady's Slipper and Indian> > Pipe. Not sure about the other two, but one can become dependent on> > Kratom from what I have read, but my understanding is that withdrawal is> > less bothersome.> > > > Hopefully you can eventually build to three or more capsules twice daily> > and that you also take plenty of blackseed oil (Nigella sativa) and> > pancreatic enzymes (make sure that chymotrypsin is involved as well as> > serrapeptase), plenty of curcumin, as well as doing as much of the rest> > of the suggested protocol as possible, including the flaxseed and> > cottage cheese (or quark or organic goat's milk yogurt).> > > > Not that I would advocate skirmishing with the law, but marijuana can> > help with appetite as well as pain. Just be sure that you don't give in> > to cravings for such items as hostess twinkies or snowballs and other> > such sugary treats. Not that I would know anything about that. Well,> > OK, I once was young believe it or not . . . []> > > > Pancreatic cancer is no walk in the park, but oleander has beaten it.> > > > All the best,> > > > Tony> > > > > > oleander soup , "jax.abbott" <jax.abbott@>> > wrote:> > >> > > Hi Guys> > > I have pancreatic cancer and due to its size and position at the head> > of the pancreas, it is not operable and chemo etc has been rejected by> > me based on the simple maths of success versus pain etc. Strangely> > enough though, the professor at the top of his tree still wanted to push> > me into it despite me learning as time went on that pancreatic cancer> > and chemo is not a success story. But I'm sure we have all heard this> > many times over.> > > We have followed Tony's "prescription" more or less over the past 18> > months (that's many many months over my use by date...yeeehaa!) but> > stopped taking Oleander a few months back because of searing pain and a> > general lack of life. We stopped everything in fact other than good food> > as I simply needed to put on weight to give my body some sort of engine> > to fight with.> > > My wife Jacky has raised me back from a "pulse on a pillow" to now> > having a life back and has been an advocate of Oleander for a long time> > and a couple of weeks ago I agreed to start again on Oleander. (We are> > back full on with the other supplements too and have been on the latter> > for 4 months now.) I have built up to 3 tabs Oleander per day over the> > past 2 weeks.> > > However, the pain is back big time plus nausea. It is almost> > impossible to push through the pain without morphine and the downside is> > that to get control of the pain leaves me in a near dreamlike state with> > little or no enthuiasm for anything, including appetite. The pain is> > different than what I class as normal (very central to tumor, like a> > vice screwing tighter) and I understand that Oleander can cause pain at> > the site plus Nausea.> > > If I drop right back to 1 cap a day does anyone know if its possible> > to build up slowly without pain or very little pain.> > >> > > Im open to any suggestions as I would really like to continue oleander> > if possible.> > >> > > Thanks in advance> > >> > > Cheers> > > Mike> > >> >> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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