Guest guest Posted September 8, 2009 Report Share Posted September 8, 2009 In the coming days, and as time permits, I will be addressing some questions and concerns I have seen posted here as well as in private messages - which is understandable whenever someone in our group loses their battle or has a loved one lose theirs. For now, let me just say that this group has been around over 5 years and we have over 1450 members - even though many do not actively make posts. To my knowledge, we have lost only a very small handful in all that time, but even one loss is too many for me. There simply is no magic bullet for cancer, though oleander is the best I have found overall. Even then, it is best by far in my opinion when combined with an overall cancer fighting protocol, and even then it is not successful 100% of the time. That is why we keep looking, that is why my suggested protocol has so much in it - trying to leave no stone unturned without overdoing any feature. It is a find balancing act, but since mainstream medicine clings to trying to improve on methods that either cut out, burn out or poison out the symptoms of cancer instead of addressing the root causes of cancer, boosting the immune system, addressing the liver, diet, nutrtion, etc., it is up to the rest of us to proceed as best we can. In many ways, I think we have been very successful, but any single loss tells me that we could do even better and that is what I will keep searching to find ways to do. Time is short right now and I will have much more to say later - probably in a series of posts, as we do have some issues to look at regarding doseage and tolerance and adjunct treatments. In the interim, don't lose faith. The successes we have had far, far outweigh the losses - and we will continue forward to try to have even more success in the future. Also, though I would not pretend to compare it with the loss of a beloved spouse, and I lost a beloved family member this morning when our precious found dog Heidi was run over by the local trash service truck. Always the daredevil and fastest of the pack, she darted in front of the trash truck who was running late and sped up just as she cut in front. Thankfully her death was instant. Heidi was only a year old - and what year that it was, filled with much love and adventure and the kind of pampering only can give to both two legged and four legged dogs. Though still young, she had become a part of our lives we held very dear. Like the losses of loved ones, no amount of second guessing will bring her back to us, nor will any amount of words however kind. But they do help. Ahh, dogs are bundles of joy that are destined to ultimately break your heart - and life can be a sea of joy and an ocean of sorrow. I was not prepared for mine to be broken so soon, but here I am, drwoning in that ocean, and it will simply take time to swim out of it. I hope you all understand. All the best, Tony Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 8, 2009 Report Share Posted September 8, 2009 tony and luella and all, first, having lost a beloved pet recently and being devastated by it, my heart goes out to you and luella.these instances make me cringe mightily at the thought of losing a child or a parent or a spouse. oh my dear god, please comfort us.this board recently lost a member who came to touch me in a round about way through family and friends. i wont mention a name but they know. i am still mourning her and especially her husband whose agony was only o'er shadowed by his love for her. i will forever think of them.but there is hope. prevention is always the best medicine. as hard as it is to hear for some of you, cancer doesnt just spring forth full blown from the head of zeus or drop out of the sky on us like bird poop, it is created by our lifestyles and environments. the genesis is running out of selenium. the next mineral to set the stage is lack of iodine. those things which the medical mafia calls carcinogens are merely triggers which set off a cascade of biochemical and genetic evens(or non-events) that leads to cancer. the triggers arent necessary to get cancer but the nutritional deficiencies are. this is part of the magic of oleander or any other herb - they provide the proper minerals in a way which helps correct these malfunctions in the body. colloidal silver is also great at correcting cellular and dna level malfunctions.please dont think me mercenary, but i have more personal experience with iodine than anyone on the planet. that may make me just another dummy abusing a substance but i see it as KNOWING. i know what it can and cant do and the level of safety inherent in it. i also know what works best. one must get both iodine(I2) and iodide(KI) for the body to get fully iodinated. the iodine hogs get fed with the KI, which is cheap, so the I2 can travel around to where it is needed. the best I2 is magnascent, hands down. magnascent is expensive but still the most effective iodine supplement, drop for drop. the SSKI/Magnascent combo is THE most effective iodine supplement available. all others pale in comparison due to the lack of the magnascent. the SSKI i sell is a small package at bulk prices, iow cheap. john brookshire has authorized me to offer a special package to curezoners, a half ounce sample size, and i have combined that with a one ounce bottle of SSKI. it is a limited quantity offer and very exclussive but i invite the members of this group to take advantage of this if they wish.http://curezone.com/forums/fm.asp?i=1486167#ionce again, my heartfelt condolences to all.yours for good health,steve wilsontrappercurezone Windows Live: Keep your friends up to date with what you do online. Find out more. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 8, 2009 Report Share Posted September 8, 2009 Tony, My heart goes out to you at this difficult time. Life is sometimes very harsh but must be dealt with in a state of compassion and understanding. Take all the time you need to recover from this horrible loss and know that we feel your pain. We will all be where Heidi is sooner or later. Let us enjoy with thanks the time we have here along with the friends and pets we are lucky enough to have loved. Bob - " " <oleander soup > Tuesday, September 08, 2009 10:36 AM A note to all > > In the coming days, and as time permits, I will be addressing some > questions and concerns I have seen posted here as well as in private > messages - which is understandable whenever someone in our group loses > their battle or has a loved one lose theirs. For now, let me just say > that this group has been around over 5 years and we have over 1450 > members - even though many do not actively make posts. To my knowledge, > we have lost only a very small handful in all that time, but even one > loss is too many for me. > > There simply is no magic bullet for cancer, though oleander is the best > I have found overall. Even then, it is best by far in my opinion when > combined with an overall cancer fighting protocol, and even then it is > not successful 100% of the time. That is why we keep looking, that is > why my suggested protocol has so much in it - trying to leave no stone > unturned without overdoing any feature. It is a find balancing act, but > since mainstream medicine clings to trying to improve on methods that > either cut out, burn out or poison out the symptoms of cancer instead of > addressing the root causes of cancer, boosting the immune system, > addressing the liver, diet, nutrtion, etc., it is up to the rest of us > to proceed as best we can. In many ways, I think we have been very > successful, but any single loss tells me that we could do even better > and that is what I will keep searching to find ways to do. > > Time is short right now and I will have much more to say later - > probably in a series of posts, as we do have some issues to look at > regarding doseage and tolerance and adjunct treatments. In the interim, > don't lose faith. The successes we have had far, far outweigh the > losses - and we will continue forward to try to have even more success > in the future. > > Also, though I would not pretend to compare it with the loss of a > beloved spouse, and I lost a beloved family member this morning > when our precious found dog Heidi was run over by the local trash > service truck. Always the daredevil and fastest of the pack, she darted > in front of the trash truck who was running late and sped up just as she > cut in front. Thankfully her death was instant. > > Heidi was only a year old - and what year that it was, filled with much > love and adventure and the kind of pampering only can give to > both two legged and four legged dogs. Though still young, she had > become a part of our lives we held very dear. Like the losses of loved > ones, no amount of second guessing will bring her back to us, nor will > any amount of words however kind. But they do help. > > Ahh, dogs are bundles of joy that are destined to ultimately break your > heart - and life can be a sea of joy and an ocean of sorrow. I was not > prepared for mine to be broken so soon, but here I am, drwoning in that > ocean, and it will simply take time to swim out of it. I hope you all > understand. > > All the best, > > > > > > > --- > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 9, 2009 Report Share Posted September 9, 2009 Tony and . I'm sorry for the loss of your beautiful Heidi, i know you must be heart broken as you where talking about Heidi with such love in your heart for her. Take care and allow time to ease your pain - oleander soup Wednesday, September 09, 2009 3:36 AM A note to all In the coming days, and as time permits, I will be addressing somequestions and concerns I have seen posted here as well as in privatemessages - which is understandable whenever someone in our group losestheir battle or has a loved one lose theirs. For now, let me just saythat this group has been around over 5 years and we have over 1450members - even though many do not actively make posts. To my knowledge,we have lost only a very small handful in all that time, but even oneloss is too many for me.There simply is no magic bullet for cancer, though oleander is the bestI have found overall. Even then, it is best by far in my opinion whencombined with an overall cancer fighting protocol, and even then it isnot successful 100% of the time. That is why we keep looking, that iswhy my suggested protocol has so much in it - trying to leave no stoneunturned without overdoing any feature. It is a find balancing act, butsince mainstream medicine clings to trying to improve on methods thateither cut out, burn out or poison out the symptoms of cancer instead ofaddressing the root causes of cancer, boosting the immune system,addressing the liver, diet, nutrtion, etc., it is up to the rest of usto proceed as best we can. In many ways, I think we have been verysuccessful, but any single loss tells me that we could do even betterand that is what I will keep searching to find ways to do.Time is short right now and I will have much more to say later -probably in a series of posts, as we do have some issues to look atregarding doseage and tolerance and adjunct treatments. In the interim,don't lose faith. The successes we have had far, far outweigh thelosses - and we will continue forward to try to have even more successin the future.Also, though I would not pretend to compare it with the loss of abeloved spouse, and I lost a beloved family member this morningwhen our precious found dog Heidi was run over by the local trashservice truck. Always the daredevil and fastest of the pack, she dartedin front of the trash truck who was running late and sped up just as shecut in front. Thankfully her death was instant.Heidi was only a year old - and what year that it was, filled with muchlove and adventure and the kind of pampering only can give toboth two legged and four legged dogs. Though still young, she hadbecome a part of our lives we held very dear. Like the losses of lovedones, no amount of second guessing will bring her back to us, nor willany amount of words however kind. But they do help.Ahh, dogs are bundles of joy that are destined to ultimately break yourheart - and life can be a sea of joy and an ocean of sorrow. I was notprepared for mine to be broken so soon, but here I am, drwoning in thatocean, and it will simply take time to swim out of it I hope you allunderstand.All the best,Tony Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 9, 2009 Report Share Posted September 9, 2009 Thank you all for your condolensces. And yes Mary, Tony and I are both nothing less than heartbroken. We buried her in our beloved pasture where her spirit can chase the fourwheelers we ride. I know that she will be there running with Misty and Pepper. This is the perfect resting place as she was so happy there. As I posted in Oleandersoup for Pets, as we were taking her body to the pasture, all of a sudden I felt as if she was in the back seat full of anticipation and wagging her tail. I knew then that we had chosen the perfect resting place. We will miss her greatly. She was a part of us. Love, oleander soup , "Maria" <mary1kon wrote:>> Tony and . > > I'm sorry for the loss of your beautiful Heidi, i know you must be heart broken as you where talking about Heidi with such love in your heart for her.> Take care and allow time to ease your pain> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 9, 2009 Report Share Posted September 9, 2009 As someone who has a lot of respect for this group and the knowledge shared, I am disappointed at the inclusion of pets in the discussion. I lost both my wife to cancer this year, and our dog of 10 years, and yes, Scooter was much loved, but his loss comes nowhere close to the loss of my wife, and I think it is inappropriate and almost demeaning to include pet deaths in a discussion of the loss of two wives and the treatment of human life threatening disease. Ted oleander soup , " Bob Banever " <bbanever wrote: > > Tony, > > My heart goes out to you at this difficult time. Life is sometimes > very harsh but must be dealt with in a state of compassion and > understanding. Take all the time you need to recover from this horrible > loss and know that we feel your pain. We will all be where Heidi is sooner > or later. Let us enjoy with thanks the time we have here along with the > friends and pets we are lucky enough to have loved. > > Bob > - > " " > <oleander soup > > Tuesday, September 08, 2009 10:36 AM > A note to all > > > > > > In the coming days, and as time permits, I will be addressing some > > questions and concerns I have seen posted here as well as in private > > messages - which is understandable whenever someone in our group loses > > their battle or has a loved one lose theirs. For now, let me just say > > that this group has been around over 5 years and we have over 1450 > > members - even though many do not actively make posts. To my knowledge, > > we have lost only a very small handful in all that time, but even one > > loss is too many for me. > > > > There simply is no magic bullet for cancer, though oleander is the best > > I have found overall. Even then, it is best by far in my opinion when > > combined with an overall cancer fighting protocol, and even then it is > > not successful 100% of the time. That is why we keep looking, that is > > why my suggested protocol has so much in it - trying to leave no stone > > unturned without overdoing any feature. It is a find balancing act, but > > since mainstream medicine clings to trying to improve on methods that > > either cut out, burn out or poison out the symptoms of cancer instead of > > addressing the root causes of cancer, boosting the immune system, > > addressing the liver, diet, nutrtion, etc., it is up to the rest of us > > to proceed as best we can. In many ways, I think we have been very > > successful, but any single loss tells me that we could do even better > > and that is what I will keep searching to find ways to do. > > > > Time is short right now and I will have much more to say later - > > probably in a series of posts, as we do have some issues to look at > > regarding doseage and tolerance and adjunct treatments. In the interim, > > don't lose faith. The successes we have had far, far outweigh the > > losses - and we will continue forward to try to have even more success > > in the future. > > > > Also, though I would not pretend to compare it with the loss of a > > beloved spouse, and I lost a beloved family member this morning > > when our precious found dog Heidi was run over by the local trash > > service truck. Always the daredevil and fastest of the pack, she darted > > in front of the trash truck who was running late and sped up just as she > > cut in front. Thankfully her death was instant. > > > > Heidi was only a year old - and what year that it was, filled with much > > love and adventure and the kind of pampering only can give to > > both two legged and four legged dogs. Though still young, she had > > become a part of our lives we held very dear. Like the losses of loved > > ones, no amount of second guessing will bring her back to us, nor will > > any amount of words however kind. But they do help. > > > > Ahh, dogs are bundles of joy that are destined to ultimately break your > > heart - and life can be a sea of joy and an ocean of sorrow. I was not > > prepared for mine to be broken so soon, but here I am, drwoning in that > > ocean, and it will simply take time to swim out of it. I hope you all > > understand. > > > > All the best, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 9, 2009 Report Share Posted September 9, 2009 Ted, There is a separate board called oleander soupforpets. That being said, our pets are sometimes as beloved as our human siblings and loved ones, it all depends on one's life experiences and viewpoint. Condolences are given to all. Bob - <tedsanford <oleander soup > Wednesday, September 09, 2009 5:56 AM Re: A note to all > As someone who has a lot of respect for this group and the knowledge > shared, I am disappointed at the inclusion of pets in the discussion. I > lost both my wife to cancer this year, and our dog of 10 years, and yes, > Scooter was much loved, but his loss comes nowhere close to the loss of my > wife, and I think it is inappropriate and almost demeaning to include pet > deaths in a discussion of the loss of two wives and the treatment of human > life threatening disease. > Ted > > oleander soup , " Bob Banever " <bbanever wrote: >> >> Tony, >> >> My heart goes out to you at this difficult time. Life is sometimes >> very harsh but must be dealt with in a state of compassion and >> understanding. Take all the time you need to recover from this horrible >> loss and know that we feel your pain. We will all be where Heidi is >> sooner >> or later. Let us enjoy with thanks the time we have here along with the >> friends and pets we are lucky enough to have loved. >> >> Bob >> - >> " " >> <oleander soup > >> Tuesday, September 08, 2009 10:36 AM >> A note to all >> >> >> > >> > In the coming days, and as time permits, I will be addressing some >> > questions and concerns I have seen posted here as well as in private >> > messages - which is understandable whenever someone in our group loses >> > their battle or has a loved one lose theirs. For now, let me just say >> > that this group has been around over 5 years and we have over 1450 >> > members - even though many do not actively make posts. To my >> > knowledge, >> > we have lost only a very small handful in all that time, but even one >> > loss is too many for me. >> > >> > There simply is no magic bullet for cancer, though oleander is the best >> > I have found overall. Even then, it is best by far in my opinion when >> > combined with an overall cancer fighting protocol, and even then it is >> > not successful 100% of the time. That is why we keep looking, that is >> > why my suggested protocol has so much in it - trying to leave no stone >> > unturned without overdoing any feature. It is a find balancing act, >> > but >> > since mainstream medicine clings to trying to improve on methods that >> > either cut out, burn out or poison out the symptoms of cancer instead >> > of >> > addressing the root causes of cancer, boosting the immune system, >> > addressing the liver, diet, nutrtion, etc., it is up to the rest of us >> > to proceed as best we can. In many ways, I think we have been very >> > successful, but any single loss tells me that we could do even better >> > and that is what I will keep searching to find ways to do. >> > >> > Time is short right now and I will have much more to say later - >> > probably in a series of posts, as we do have some issues to look at >> > regarding doseage and tolerance and adjunct treatments. In the >> > interim, >> > don't lose faith. The successes we have had far, far outweigh the >> > losses - and we will continue forward to try to have even more success >> > in the future. >> > >> > Also, though I would not pretend to compare it with the loss of a >> > beloved spouse, and I lost a beloved family member this morning >> > when our precious found dog Heidi was run over by the local trash >> > service truck. Always the daredevil and fastest of the pack, she >> > darted >> > in front of the trash truck who was running late and sped up just as >> > she >> > cut in front. Thankfully her death was instant. >> > >> > Heidi was only a year old - and what year that it was, filled with much >> > love and adventure and the kind of pampering only can give to >> > both two legged and four legged dogs. Though still young, she had >> > become a part of our lives we held very dear. Like the losses of loved >> > ones, no amount of second guessing will bring her back to us, nor will >> > any amount of words however kind. But they do help. >> > >> > Ahh, dogs are bundles of joy that are destined to ultimately break your >> > heart - and life can be a sea of joy and an ocean of sorrow. I was not >> > prepared for mine to be broken so soon, but here I am, drwoning in that >> > ocean, and it will simply take time to swim out of it. I hope you all >> > understand. >> > >> > All the best, >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > --- >> > >> > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 9, 2009 Report Share Posted September 9, 2009 Ted - I am sorry that you feel that way - and I thought I made it very clear that I was not comparing the loss of our pet to the loss of a loved spouse or family member. Different people have different levels of attachments to their pets, and truly, though I knew that I loved our little dog greatly, I had no idea how profoundly the loss would touch me until it happened. Rather than trying to compare the loss of a pet and animal cancer with human loss and human cancer, my intention was mostly to explain that,in addition to the time I have to spend moving to another residence over the next several days, the loss of Heidi is yet another burden that prevents me from answering and posting as much and as succintly as I would like at this time. A very big reason that we spun off the Oleandersoup_for_Pets forum was to prevent some of the irritation that some members were feeling when the discussion here turned to pets. I was one of those who felt that the pet discussion was detracting from the main purpose and ephasis of the group. Though I still feel that way, and intend to keep the two groups mostly seperated going forward, I certainly have a much greater appreciation now for those who have invested a part of their hearts in a beloved pet. I appreciate your respect for this group and your continued participation and I do apologize if you or any other member has taken offense. Animal or not though, I am nevertheless numb and mourning our loss and I hope you can appreciate that. All the best, Tony--- On Wed, 9/9/09, tedsanford <tedsanford wrote: tedsanford <tedsanford Re: A note to alloleander soup Date: Wednesday, September 9, 2009, 7:56 AM As someone who has a lot of respect for this group and the knowledge shared, I am disappointed at the inclusion of pets in the discussion. I lost both my wife to cancer this year, and our dog of 10 years, and yes, Scooter was much loved, but his loss comes nowhere close to the loss of my wife, and I think it is inappropriate and almost demeaning to include pet deaths in a discussion of the loss of two wives and the treatment of human life threatening disease.Ted oleander soup, "Bob Banever" <bbanever@.. .> wrote:>> Tony,> > My heart goes out to you at this difficult time. Life is sometimes > very harsh but must be dealt with in a state of compassion and > understanding. Take all the time you need to recover from this horrible > loss and know that we feel your pain. We will all be where Heidi is sooner > or later. Let us enjoy with thanks the time we have here along with the > friends and pets we are lucky enough to have loved.> > Bob> - > "" @. ..>> <oleander soup>> Tuesday, September 08, 2009 10:36 AM> A note to all> > > >> > In the coming days, and as time permits, I will be addressing some> > questions and concerns I have seen posted here as well as in private> > messages - which is understandable whenever someone in our group loses> > their battle or has a loved one lose theirs. For now, let me just say> > that this group has been around over 5 years and we have over 1450> > members - even though many do not actively make posts. To my knowledge,> > we have lost only a very small handful in all that time, but even one> > loss is too many for me.> >> > There simply is no magic bullet for cancer, though oleander is the best> > I have found overall. Even then, it is best by far in my opinion when> > combined with an overall cancer fighting protocol, and even then it is> > not successful 100% of the time. That is why we keep looking, that is> > why my suggested protocol has so much in it - trying to leave no stone> > unturned without overdoing any feature. It is a find balancing act, but> > since mainstream medicine clings to trying to improve on methods that> > either cut out, burn out or poison out the symptoms of cancer instead of> > addressing the root causes of cancer, boosting the immune system,> > addressing the liver, diet, nutrtion, etc., it is up to the rest of us> > to proceed as best we can. In many ways, I think we have been very> > successful, but any single loss tells me that we could do even better> > and that is what I will keep searching to find ways to do.> >> > Time is short right now and I will have much more to say later -> > probably in a series of posts, as we do have some issues to look at> > regarding doseage and tolerance and adjunct treatments. In the interim,> > don't lose faith. The successes we have had far, far outweigh the> > losses - and we will continue forward to try to have even more success> > in the future.> >> > Also, though I would not pretend to compare it with the loss of a> > beloved spouse, and I lost a beloved family member this morning> > when our precious found dog Heidi was run over by the local trash> > service truck. Always the daredevil and fastest of the pack, she darted> > in front of the trash truck who was running late and sped up just as she> > cut in front. Thankfully her death was instant.> >> > Heidi was only a year old - and what year that it was, filled with much> > love and adventure and the kind of pampering only can give to> > both two legged and four legged dogs. Though still young, she had> > become a part of our lives we held very dear. Like the losses of loved> > ones, no amount of second guessing will bring her back to us, nor will> > any amount of words however kind. But they do help.> >> > Ahh, dogs are bundles of joy that are destined to ultimately break your> > heart - and life can be a sea of joy and an ocean of sorrow. I was not> > prepared for mine to be broken so soon, but here I am, drwoning in that> > ocean, and it will simply take time to swim out of it. I hope you all> > understand.> >> > All the best,> >> > Tony> >> >> >> >> > ------------ --------- --------- ------> >> > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 9, 2009 Report Share Posted September 9, 2009 Tony and , So glad you let us know that you are/will be preoccupied, with the move and emotions of your lost family member. This way, I may add to my prayers for a good move, and for your peace and comfort. I dont care what group this is or what its about, YOU are human and your grief and pain should matter here. Im so sorry that to some, your pain is irrelevant. Love and hugs to you and ! rhonda www.caringbridge.org/visit/reidebrom ps if you need help with your move i have a few trucks and trailers at my disposal :-) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 9, 2009 Report Share Posted September 9, 2009 Rhonda - Thanks so much for your prayers and sentiments - they are much appreciated. Before we get anything started here along the lines of ill will or taking sides, let me tell you that I completely understand how someone who had lost a loved one and was likely still feeling the enduring pain of that loss could be less than positive about a message that told of the loss of a pet. If the roles were reversed, I might have at least thought along those lines myself - but, as I said, the loss was both unexpected and huge for me. At any rate, I have posted the depths of my feelings about it and shared my tears in the appropriate Pets forum today and hopefully now we can move on in this forum and continue our search for answers to beating cancer and living more healthily in the coming days. As time permits, I will share some messages here, and in not so many days I hope to be settled back in and sharing much, much more. After a months long ordeal with my back, 's unexpected health turn, our return home to find we had to urgently search for another place to live, the coming move, and yes, our aforementioned loss, I feel that I have much catching up to do in many places - and none more important than here. Thanks for the offer of the trucks and trailers. We should be OK though. Our present landlord has agreed to help and we really have very little to move, all things considered. Furnishing our home more completely was one of the things which got postponed due to my back injury and Lu's hospitilization and recovery from the allergens and pollutants in California. All the best to everyone, oleander soup , rhonda ebrom <dipghater wrote:>> Tony and ,> So glad you let us know that you are/will be preoccupied, with the> move and emotions of your lost family member. This way, I may add to my> prayers for a good move, and for your peace and comfort. I dont care what> group this is or what its about, YOU are human and your grief and pain> should matter here. Im so sorry that to some, your pain is irrelevant.> Love and hugs to you and !> > rhonda> www.caringbridge.org/visit/reidebrom> > ps if you need help with your move i have a few trucks and trailers at my> disposal :-)> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 9, 2009 Report Share Posted September 9, 2009 Interesting thread.I believe I have a little to share about the different levels of pain.Late 2008, I lost my would be first born son. He only made it about 6 months. Hes unborn so it didnt hurt me much. Several months back, I lost my Rottweiller. I loved that dog and I still miss him. It took me about a week to recover from the pain. He was 5 years old. A month ago, I lost my mom to liver cancer.By my estimate she was supposed to have a couple of months left. Enough time to make Budwig and Oleander to work! Now the greatest regret was putting our trust on a doctor that didnt genuinely care! She just wanted to make money! AIt doesnt hurt much anymore, but its not just pain. Its a kind of loss, that isnt predicated on just pain. Its the knowing that you can never, ever be complete! What I mean is that she died without seeing me reach certain things I vowed to accomplish! The person I want to get validation wont be able to give it! Thats what I mean by not having the opportunity to be complete again.Anyway just sharing.I wont read for the replies. This is my email for " mom's cancer " and its not the best feeling in the world to be revisiting this. Goodluck guys!Jay Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 9, 2009 Report Share Posted September 9, 2009 Hi J, From experiences that I have had, specifically with my mother's death, that may not be totally true. She may very well be aware of your accomplishments. Death is a terminal word, but when we leave this world, we do not cease to exist. We simply move on. Be all that you can be and think of her often, for she is in your heart. You never know. When the time comes for you to move on, you may meet her and she will whisper the words....... "Well done son." My very best to you, Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 10, 2009 Report Share Posted September 10, 2009 I'm so sorry to hear about Heidi. My dog is such a big part of my life. I can't believe that one day she will have to go. Just a reminder to enjoy every single day and be filled with gratitude for the people and pets in our lives. My dog does silly things too. It's quite worrisome but often the daredevils are the most loving pets too.Hope all else is well. I haven't visited the group in quite a while, just read the special notices you send. Hopefully life will slow down enough to be back again soon.Hugs,Sharon--- On Tue, 9/8/09, wrote: A note to allTo: oleander soup Received: Tuesday, September 8, 2009, 1:36 PM In the coming days, and as time permits, I will be addressing some questions and concerns I have seen posted here as well as in private messages - which is understandable whenever someone in our group loses their battle or has a loved one lose theirs. For now, let me just say that this group has been around over 5 years and we have over 1450 members - even though many do not actively make posts. To my knowledge, we have lost only a very small handful in all that time, but even one loss is too many for me. There simply is no magic bullet for cancer, though oleander is the best I have found overall. Even then, it is best by far in my opinion when combined with an overall cancer fighting protocol, and even then it is not successful 100% of the time. That is why we keep looking, that is why my suggested protocol has so much in it - trying to leave no stone unturned without overdoing any feature. It is a find balancing act, but since mainstream medicine clings to trying to improve on methods that either cut out, burn out or poison out the symptoms of cancer instead of addressing the root causes of cancer, boosting the immune system, addressing the liver, diet, nutrtion, etc., it is up to the rest of us to proceed as best we can. In many ways, I think we have been very successful, but any single loss tells me that we could do even better and that is what I will keep searching to find ways to do. Time is short right now and I will have much more to say later - probably in a series of posts, as we do have some issues to look at regarding doseage and tolerance and adjunct treatments. In the interim, don't lose faith. The successes we have had far, far outweigh the losses - and we will continue forward to try to have even more success in the future. Also, though I would not pretend to compare it with the loss of a beloved spouse, and I lost a beloved family member this morning when our precious found dog Heidi was run over by the local trash service truck. Always the daredevil and fastest of the pack, she darted in front of the trash truck who was running late and sped up just as she cut in front. Thankfully her death was instant. Heidi was only a year old - and what year that it was, filled with much love and adventure and the kind of pampering only can give to both two legged and four legged dogs. Though still young, she had become a part of our lives we held very dear. Like the losses of loved ones, no amount of second guessing will bring her back to us, nor will any amount of words however kind. But they do help. Ahh, dogs are bundles of joy that are destined to ultimately break your heart - and life can be a sea of joy and an ocean of sorrow. I was not prepared for mine to be broken so soon, but here I am, drwoning in that ocean, and it will simply take time to swim out of it. I hope you all understand. All the best, Looking for the perfect gift? Give the gift of Flickr! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 10, 2009 Report Share Posted September 10, 2009 Don't agree with you Ted, the loss of a pet can be just as tramatic for some as a human. I too am disappointed that it is even being compared, grief cannot be compared....grief is grief. Tammatha - Bob Banever oleander soup Wednesday, September 09, 2009 7:09 AM Re: Re: A note to all Ted,There is a separate board called oleander soupforpets. That being said, our pets are sometimes as beloved as our human siblings and loved ones, it all depends on one's life experiences and viewpoint. Condolences are given to all.Bob- <tedsanford (AT) verizon (DOT) net><oleander soup >Wednesday, September 09, 2009 5:56 AM Re: A note to all> As someone who has a lot of respect for this group and the knowledge > shared, I am disappointed at the inclusion of pets in the discussion. I > lost both my wife to cancer this year, and our dog of 10 years, and yes, > Scooter was much loved, but his loss comes nowhere close to the loss of my > wife, and I think it is inappropriate and almost demeaning to include pet > deaths in a discussion of the loss of two wives and the treatment of human > life threatening disease.> Ted>> oleander soup , "Bob Banever" <bbanever wrote:>>>> Tony,>>>> My heart goes out to you at this difficult time. Life is sometimes>> very harsh but must be dealt with in a state of compassion and>> understanding. Take all the time you need to recover from this horrible>> loss and know that we feel your pain. We will all be where Heidi is >> sooner>> or later. Let us enjoy with thanks the time we have here along with the>> friends and pets we are lucky enough to have loved.>>>> Bob>> - >> "" >> <oleander soup >>> Tuesday, September 08, 2009 10:36 AM>> A note to all>>>>>> >>> > In the coming days, and as time permits, I will be addressing some>> > questions and concerns I have seen posted here as well as in private>> > messages - which is understandable whenever someone in our group loses>> > their battle or has a loved one lose theirs. For now, let me just say>> > that this group has been around over 5 years and we have over 1450>> > members - even though many do not actively make posts. To my >> > knowledge,>> > we have lost only a very small handful in all that time, but even one>> > loss is too many for me.>> >>> > There simply is no magic bullet for cancer, though oleander is the best>> > I have found overall. Even then, it is best by far in my opinion when>> > combined with an overall cancer fighting protocol, and even then it is>> > not successful 100% of the time. That is why we keep looking, that is>> > why my suggested protocol has so much in it - trying to leave no stone>> > unturned without overdoing any feature. It is a find balancing act, >> > but>> > since mainstream medicine clings to trying to improve on methods that>> > either cut out, burn out or poison out the symptoms of cancer instead >> > of>> > addressing the root causes of cancer, boosting the immune system,>> > addressing the liver, diet, nutrtion, etc., it is up to the rest of us>> > to proceed as best we can. In many ways, I think we have been very>> > successful, but any single loss tells me that we could do even better>> > and that is what I will keep searching to find ways to do.>> >>> > Time is short right now and I will have much more to say later ->> > probably in a series of posts, as we do have some issues to look at>> > regarding doseage and tolerance and adjunct treatments. In the >> > interim,>> > don't lose faith. The successes we have had far, far outweigh the>> > losses - and we will continue forward to try to have even more success>> > in the future.>> >>> > Also, though I would not pretend to compare it with the loss of a>> > beloved spouse, and I lost a beloved family member this morning>> > when our precious found dog Heidi was run over by the local trash>> > service truck. Always the daredevil and fastest of the pack, she >> > darted>> > in front of the trash truck who was running late and sped up just as >> > she>> > cut in front. Thankfully her death was instant.>> >>> > Heidi was only a year old - and what year that it was, filled with much>> > love and adventure and the kind of pampering only can give to>> > both two legged and four legged dogs. Though still young, she had>> > become a part of our lives we held very dear. Like the losses of loved>> > ones, no amount of second guessing will bring her back to us, nor will>> > any amount of words however kind. But they do help.>> >>> > Ahh, dogs are bundles of joy that are destined to ultimately break your>> > heart - and life can be a sea of joy and an ocean of sorrow. I was not>> > prepared for mine to be broken so soon, but here I am, drwoning in that>> > ocean, and it will simply take time to swim out of it. I hope you all>> > understand.>> >>> > All the best,>> >>> > Tony>> >>> >>> >>> >>> > --->> >>> > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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