Root Canal

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Its funny to hear about a root canal cause i will have

one this thursday too, so any advice would be welcome

werner

--- supervixen08 <supervixen08 wrote:

> Hi y'all,

>

> Been a LONG time since I've posted last, but I do

> check in to read

> frequently. How are y'all?

>

> Anyway, for the last 5 days I had some intermittent

> tooth pain that at

> times could get pretty intense. I got in to see my

> dentist (who is

> also an ND) yesterday and he took x-rays, which

> revealed that the

> tooth was broken and that there was an abcess. He

> said that it'll

> probably either have to have a root canal done, or

> be extracted. (He

> saved me from having to have 1 root canal done

> already on a different

> tooth, so when he says I need one on this tooth I

> trust him.)

>

> I'm probably going to have this done next week, as

> the pain's pretty

> great at times. I survive on a combo of White Willow

> Bark and Valerian

> Root during the day (plenty of both) and I work the

> reflexology points

> on my hands that correspond to the teeth (can be

> very effective pain

> management!) But to actually get to sleep at night

> requires about 4

> Aleve, unfortunately, as I don't have any curare on

> hand, nor do I

> know what I'm doing concerning using it.

>

> Has anyone had a root canal (or extraction with a

> bridge) before? Can

> anyone offer any suggestions, either as to how to

> cope for the next

> few days till I have it done, OR how to cope/recover

> afterward?

>

> Thanks in advance!

>

> Blessings,

> --Jeni-Laura

>

>

>

>

>

 

 

 

 

 

[Guest guest]

Has anyone had a root canal (or extraction with a bridge) before? Can

anyone offer any suggestions, either as to how to cope for the next

few days till I have it done, OR how to cope/recover afterward?

 

I had a root canal last year. Mine got to the point where the pain was so intense my dentist had to forfeit his lunch hour to do an emergency root canal. I don't know of anything that takes the severity of pre-root canal pain away except ice. Putting ice on the tooth will generally alleviate the pain; heat will make it worse. I was sucking on ice, eating ice cream...one time I even stuck snow in my mouth. As soon as you take the ice away it starts to hurt again. I had no problems after I had the root canal done. Just take lots of Vit. C for healing.

 

Gloria

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__________

Hi Jeni-Laura,

....had the same experience in my 40s using White Willow Bark Root Powder

....got relief from Golden Seal Root Powder too

....and from that experience I know it's God's number one healer on the planet

Ascorbic Acid Powder is also effective...keep all in my pantry

(When all else fails, I get my courage & cayenne out)

....had recovery with no infection whatsoever...

Be Blessed in the right use of Knowledge...JOYintheAfternoon...

__________supervixen08 <supervixen08 wrote:

Hi y'all,Been a LONG time since I've posted last, but I do check in to readfrequently. How are y'all?Anyway, for the last 5 days I had some intermittent tooth pain that attimes could get pretty intense. I got in to see my dentist (who isalso an ND) yesterday and he took x-rays, which revealed that thetooth was broken and that there was an abcess. He said that it'llprobably either have to have a root canal done, or be extracted. (Hesaved me from having to have 1 root canal done already on a differenttooth, so when he says I need one on this tooth I trust him.)I'm probably going to have this done next week, as the pain's prettygreat at times. I survive on a combo of White Willow Bark and ValerianRoot during the day (plenty of booth) and I work the reflexology pointson my hands that correspond to the teeth (can be very

effective painmanagement!) But to actually get to sleep at night requires about 4Aleve, unfortunately, as I don't have any curare on hand, nor do Iknow what I'm doing concerning using it.Has anyone had a root canal (or extraction with a bridge) before? Cananyone offer any suggestions, either as to how to cope for the nextfew days till I have it done, OR how to cope/recover afterward?Thanks in advance!Blessings,--Jeni-LauraFederal Law requires that we warn you of the following: 1. Natural methods can sometimes backfire. 2. If you are pregnant, consult your physician before using any natural remedy. 3. The Constitution guarantees you the right to be your own physician and toprescribe for your own health. We are not medical doctors although MDs are welcome to post here as long as they behave themselves. Any opinions put forth by the list members are

exactly that, and any person following the advice of anyone posting here does so at their own risk. It is up to you to educate yourself. By accepting advice or products from list members, you are agreeing to be fully responsible for your own health, and hold the List Owner and members free of any liability. Dr. Ian ShillingtonDoctor of NaturopathyDr.IanShillington

[Guest guest]

Jeni - I avoided two root canals from about 12 yrs ago by using colloidal silver (50 ppm, 1 T. per day) till the infection was gone. And both teeth are still OK. You may have to get a crown though since the tooth is broke.

 

Jan

 

 

herbal remedies [herbal remedies ] On Behalf Of supervixen08Saturday, May 21, 2005 10:15 AMherbal remedies Subject: Herbal Remedies - root canalHi y'all,Been a LONG time since I've posted last, but I do check in to readfrequently. How are y'all?Anyway, for the last 5 days I had some intermittent tooth pain that attimes could get pretty intense. I got in to see my dentist (who isalso an ND) yesterday and he took x-rays, which revealed that thetooth was broken and that there was an abcess. He said that it'llprobably either have to have a root canal done, or be extracted. (Hesaved me from having to have 1 root canal done already on a differenttooth, so when he says I need one on this tooth I trust him.)I'm probably going to have this done next week, as the pain's prettygreat at times. I survive on a combo of White Willow Bark and ValerianRoot during the day (plenty of both) and I work the reflexology pointson my hands that correspond to the teeth (can be very effective painmanagement!) But to actually get to sleep at night requires about 4Aleve, unfortunately, as I don't have any curare on hand, nor do Iknow what I'm doing concerning using it.Has anyone had a root canal (or extraction with a bridge) before? Cananyone offer any suggestions, either as to how to cope for the nextfew days till I have it done, OR how to cope/recover afterward?Thanks in advance!Blessings,--Jeni-LauraFederal Law requires that we warn you of the following: 1. Natural methods can sometimes backfire. 2. If you are pregnant, consult your physician before using any natural remedy. 3. The Constitution guarantees you the right to be your own physician and toprescribe for your own health. We are not medical doctors although MDs are welcome to post here as long as they behave themselves. Any opinions put forth by the list members are exactly that, and any person following the advice of anyone posting here does so at their own risk. It is up to you to educate yourself. By accepting advice or products from list members, you are agreeing to be fully responsible for your own health, and hold the List Owner and members free of any liability. Dr. Ian ShillingtonDoctor of NaturopathyDr.IanShillington

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used tea bag on the site for about 20 mintues

swelling and pain are minimized not gone but less

 

blessings

brandy

 

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<MorningGlory113

<herbal remedies >

Saturday, May 21, 2005 7:19 PM

Re: Herbal Remedies - root canal

 

 

: Has anyone had a root canal (or extraction with

a bridge) before? Can

: anyone offer any suggestions, either as to how

to cope for the next

: few days till I have it done, OR how to

cope/recover afterward?

:

: I had a root canal last year. Mine got to the

point where the pain was so

: intense my dentist had to forfeit his lunch hour

to do an emergency root canal. I

: don't know of anything that takes the severity

of pre-root canal pain away

: except ice. Putting ice on the tooth will

generally alleviate the pain; heat

: will make it worse. I was sucking on ice, eating

ice cream...one time I even

: stuck snow in my mouth. As soon as you take the

ice away it starts to hurt again.

: I had no problems after I had the root canal

done. Just take lots of Vit. C

: for healing.

:

: Gloria

:

:

:

:

[Guest guest]

Clove Oil takes away tooth ache pain.

 

Pharmacies have it. You have to ask them. Some drug stores have

some on the shelf, but you want food grade, or pharmacy grade.

 

I never used it, but my wife does, and it takes away all her pain,

she just puts a little on a q-tip and put it over the tooth and gums.

 

Cost about $5.00 for a little tiny bottle.

 

I like that post about collidal silver for the tooth. I'll have to

remember that.

 

 

herbal remedies , " supervixen08 "

<supervixen08> wrote:

> Hi y'all,

>

> Been a LONG time since I've posted last, but I do check in to read

> frequently. How are y'all?

>

> Anyway, for the last 5 days I had some intermittent tooth pain

that at

> times could get pretty intense. I got in to see my dentist (who is

> also an ND) yesterday and he took x-rays, which revealed that the

> tooth was broken and that there was an abcess. He said that it'll

> probably either have to have a root canal done, or be extracted.

(He

> saved me from having to have 1 root canal done already on a

different

> tooth, so when he says I need one on this tooth I trust him.)

>

> I'm probably going to have this done next week, as the pain's

pretty

> great at times. I survive on a combo of White Willow Bark and

Valerian

> Root during the day (plenty of both) and I work the reflexology

points

> on my hands that correspond to the teeth (can be very effective

pain

> management!) But to actually get to sleep at night requires about 4

> Aleve, unfortunately, as I don't have any curare on hand, nor do I

> know what I'm doing concerning using it.

>

> Has anyone had a root canal (or extraction with a bridge) before?

Can

> anyone offer any suggestions, either as to how to cope for the next

> few days till I have it done, OR how to cope/recover afterward?

>

> Thanks in advance!

>

> Blessings,

> --Jeni-Laura

[Guest guest]

My wife had one about 3 -4 months ago and used Doc's " Nerve Sedative "

Formula and his " Pain and Headache " formula whenever she got uncomfortable.

These two she used for Pain management.

 

For accelerated healing she used tons of Echinacea and total tonic, 6-8

times a day.

 

I asked what worked the best and she said the Nerve sedative does the job

for her. The Echinacea and the Total Tonic had her back in the kitchen in

less than week eating away. That's all I know.

 

Zeb

 

__________________

 

Has anyone had a root canal (or extraction with a bridge) before? Can

anyone offer any suggestions, either as to how to cope for the next

few days till I have it done, OR how to cope/recover afterward?

 

Thanks in advance!

 

Blessings,

--Jeni-Laura

[Guest guest]

I had a root canal done a few years ago and I took

arnica 10M for the pain, which worked very well.

Aparently, if you take an arnica 10M dose just before

the root canal is done, your recovery will be speedy.

Clove oil works well too - it basically numbs the

area. If there is no clove oil at home, my dad used to

roast a clove (we had plenty of those at home because

we used to use it in our cooking!) over a match stick

and make me bite it on the affected tooth.

Neanderthal, but works like a charm!

 

M

--- Zeb wrote:

> My wife had one about 3 -4 months ago and used Doc's

> " Nerve Sedative "

> Formula and his " Pain and Headache " formula whenever

> she got uncomfortable.

> These two she used for Pain management.

>

> For accelerated healing she used tons of Echinacea

> and total tonic, 6-8

> times a day.

>

> I asked what worked the best and she said the Nerve

> sedative does the job

> for her. The Echinacea and the Total Tonic had her

> back in the kitchen in

> less than week eating away. That's all I know.

>

> Zeb

>

> __________________

>

> Has anyone had a root canal (or extraction with a

> bridge) before? Can

> anyone offer any suggestions, either as to how to

> cope for the next

> few days till I have it done, OR how to cope/recover

> afterward?

>

> Thanks in advance!

>

> Blessings,

> --Jeni-Laura

>

>

>

 

 

 

 

 

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Gina,

 

Most Naturopathic Dr.'s will tell you that the heart meridian runs along the

jaw/gum line. ( even the medical world is finally starting to reckognise this

fact that your gum and teeth health is directly affect your heart health) It is

advised to never have more than two root canals. Better to pull the tooth. Also

to go to a Dentist that does not fill the root canal with mercury. The best way

to find one is buy asking if they use low fusing ceramides to fill a tooth. If

they do that then you can bet they probably know how and where to get the root

canal done as safely as possible. This is so important as what you put in your

mouth will affect you the rest of your life. For pain I reccomend NEEM oil.

Tastes icky but is very effective for pain.

 

I wish you well.

 

Sherri

herbal remedies , Gina Kopera <ginakopera1> wrote:

>

> What are you suppose to do other then a root canal?

> I had a tooth that was filled to the hilt and it crack and left me with an

abcessed tooth. I had a root canal and still waiting for a crown (have dragged

my feet on that one) Is there something else I can do?

>

> Gina

>

>

>

> Personals

> Single? There's someone we'd like you to meet.

> Lots of someones, actually. Personals

>

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Dentists LOVE root canals. They cost roughly $2000, they don't

usually take real long, and they pretty much wear out every 5 years,

thus ensuring them a client/patient for life!

 

DO NOT get one, if you can AT ALL help it. Your body's energy

meridians reflex to the teeth, and a root canal royally screws up

those meridians, causing major health problems down the road. I wish

I had known this in May when I had my first one done! Someone said

not to get more than 1-2 in your life, and they were right.

 

If it were me, and my tooth didn't hurt A LOT, I would forego getting one.

 

Consider some off-the-wall possibilities:

1) sometimes when those energy meridians get

blocked/unbalanced/whatever, they can make the tooth ache some. See

an acupuncturist to get these meridians cleared out.

2) Sometimes there are what are called trigger points in some of the

facial muscles near the cheek bones/temples, and these are spots of

hyper-irritable tissue that can refer pain to other seemingly

unrelated areas. Often, you will feel pain in a trigger point's

" referral zone " and NOT the actual trigger point itself. The trigger

points in the muscles of the side of the face/head have referral zones

to individual teeth. See a massage therapist who has been trained in

Trigger Point therapy and TMJ work to rule out this possibility.

 

When did you start feeling this tooth ache? Does it ever get better,

or is it getting progressively worse?

 

If your tooth doesn't HURT but simply doesn't feel right, I'd consider

those other options first, while getting second and third opinions

from other dentists.

 

Hope that helps!

Feel free to contact me for any further info.

Hugs,

--JL

 

herbal remedies , Chris Lavelle

<chrisndana1@s...> wrote:

>

> Hello,

> I was at the dentist today and they are suggesting a possible root

canal on a tooth that is starting to ache. It does not have a cavity

or filling. It doesn't hurt a lot -- but it just doesn't feel quite right.

>

> I remember seeing a book about the dangers of root canals --

anyone know the name and author?

>

> Dentist mentioned it could also be sinus pressure...I am not

willing to undergo this unless absolutely necessary. Any advice or

suggestions (herbal or otherwise) would be greatly appreciated.

>

> Thanks! Dana

>

[Guest guest]

I want to be clear before I start - I am NOT justifying root canals. I've not

studied into them and as of this moment, I have no clear opinion as to whether

or not they are good or bad.

 

However, I want to give another perspective about two of the facts presented

here. Where I live, a root canal on a molar (which is the most expensive one to

do) is about $600, less than 1/3 of the $2000 price quoted here. I know people

who have had root canals for more than 20 years (myself included) with no

directly related problems (meaning they did not " wear out " ).

 

I personally have had many root canals. While I am not debating the fact that

it may or may not have contributed to my state of health, none of them have ever

worn out nor caused me any clearly directly related problems.

 

Having said that, I also say - if you can avoid it, do so. Anything less

invasive is preferable. It's a very invasive procedure.

 

I used to have terrible teeth: many, many large cavities. Every time I went to

get my teeth cleaned, there were more. However, since I've changed my diet,

it's amazing how much less problems I have had. I don't think I've had them

find a new cavity since my diet changed. The solution is in preventing the

problems if at all possible.

 

Terri

 

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" supervixen08 " <supervixen08

herbal remedies

Herbal Remedies - Re: Root canal

Thu, 15 Dec 2005 05:48:28 -0000

 

>

> Dentists LOVE root canals. They cost roughly $2000, they don't

> usually take real long, and they pretty much wear out every 5 years,

> thus ensuring them a client/patient for life!

>

> DO NOT get one, if you can AT ALL help it. Your body's energy

> meridians reflex to the teeth, and a root canal royally screws up

> those meridians, causing major health problems down the road. I wish

> I had known this in May when I had my first one done! Someone said

> not to get more than 1-2 in your life, and they were right.

>

> If it were me, and my tooth didn't hurt A LOT, I would forego getting one.

>

> Consider some off-the-wall possibilities:

> 1) sometimes when those energy meridians get

> blocked/unbalanced/whatever, they can make the tooth ache some. See

> an acupuncturist to get these meridians cleared out.

> 2) Sometimes there are what are called trigger points in some of the

> facial muscles near the cheek bones/temples, and these are spots of

> hyper-irritable tissue that can refer pain to other seemingly

> unrelated areas. Often, you will feel pain in a trigger point's

> " referral zone " and NOT the actual trigger point itself. The trigger

> points in the muscles of the side of the face/head have referral zones

> to individual teeth. See a massage therapist who has been trained in

> Trigger Point therapy and TMJ work to rule out this possibility.

>

> When did you start feeling this tooth ache? Does it ever get better,

> or is it getting progressively worse?

>

> If your tooth doesn't HURT but simply doesn't feel right, I'd consider

> those other options first, while getting second and third opinions

> from other dentists.

>

> Hope that helps!

> Feel free to contact me for any further info.

> Hugs,

> --JL

>

> herbal remedies , Chris Lavelle

> <chrisndana1@s...> wrote:

> >

> > Hello,

> > I was at the dentist today and they are suggesting a possible root

> canal on a tooth that is starting to ache. It does not have a cavity

> or filling. It doesn't hurt a lot -- but it just doesn't feel quite right.

> >

> > I remember seeing a book about the dangers of root canals --

> anyone know the name and author?

> >

> > Dentist mentioned it could also be sinus pressure...I am not

> willing to undergo this unless absolutely necessary. Any advice or

> suggestions (herbal or otherwise) would be greatly appreciated.

> >

> > Thanks! Dana

> >

 

 

 

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I would like to know what changes you made in your diet that helped your teeth. Hopefully I can find something to help me with mine. Thank you, Glenda

 

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maddress

herbal remedies

Thursday, December 15, 2005 6:08 AM

Re: Herbal Remedies - Re: Root canal

I want to be clear before I start - I am NOT justifying root canals. I've not studied into them and as of this moment, I have no clear opinion as to whether or not they are good or bad. However, I want to give another perspective about two of the facts presented here. Where I live, a root canal on a molar (which is the most expensive one to do) is about $600, less than 1/3 of the $2000 price quoted here. I know people who have had root canals for more than 20 years (myself included) with no directly related problems (meaning they did not "wear out").I personally have had many root canals. While I am not debating the fact that it may or may not have contributed to my state of health, none of them have ever worn out nor caused me any clearly directly related problems.Having said that, I also say - if you can avoid it, do so. Anything less invasive is preferable. It's a very invasive procedure.I used to have terrible teeth: many, many large cavities. Every time I went to get my teeth cleaned, there were more. However, since I've changed my diet, it's amazing how much less problems I have had. I don't think I've had them find a new cavity since my diet changed. The solution is in preventing the problems if at all possible.

 

 

 

 

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[Guest guest]

I didn't actually change my diet specifically for my teeth. I changed my diet because I was headed towards diabetes, and I didn't want diabetes. The change in my teeth was just a bonus.

I eat "a wide variety of food, in moderation, as close to its natural state as possible." That means I eat many, many more varieties of fruits, vegetables and grains than I ever did before. I eat whole, unprocessed, organic foods (at least as much organic as I can get my hands on - if I can't get it organic, I severely limit how much of it I eat). I use olive oil liberally. I buy very little in a grocery store. Most of what they sell there is what I call non-food (food that is so processed that our bodies don't really even recognize it as food). I buy some organic produce at the grocery store during the winter (during the summer, I buy fresh from a local CSA farm). I make everything from scratch. If it's processed, contains any added chemicals (look at the ingredients list on the back of Walmart meat), or comes out of a box - I don't eat it. I avoid adding chemicals to my body whenever possible.

The benefits of this way of eating numerous. I have so much more energy than I did before. I'm finding that I need less sleep. My blood sugar readings are normal. Like I said, I've not had any new cavities (doesn't do anything for the old ones though). I haven't had my cholesteral checked, but I'm willing to bet it's pretty good, despite the fact that I eat far more eggs, butter, etc. than doctors recommend for cholesterol control. One thing I'm really interested in finding out. I've been diagnosed with glaucoma. The recommended treatment is eye drops for the rest of my life. I stopped using them about six months ago. In another month or two, I will go back and have the pressure in my eyes checked again. I'm very curious to see if the diet changes have made a difference.

Hope this helps,

Terri

-"Glenda White" herbal remedies Subject: Re: Herbal Remedies - Re: Root canalThu, 15 Dec 2005 16:57:24 -0800

I would like to know what changes you made in your diet that helped your teeth. Hopefully I can find something to help me with mine. Thank you, Glenda

 

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maddress

herbal remedies

Thursday, December 15, 2005 6:08 AM

Re: Herbal Remedies - Re: Root canal

I want to be clear before I start - I am NOT justifying root canals. I've not studied into them and as of this moment, I have no clear opinion as to whether or not they are good or bad. However, I want to give another perspective about two of the facts presented here. Where I live, a root canal on a molar (which is the most expensive one to do) is about $600, less than 1/3 of the $2000 price quoted here. I know people who have had root canals for more than 20 years (myself included) with no directly related problems (meaning they did not "wear out").I personally have had many root canals. While I am not debating the fact that it may or may not have contributed to my state of health, none of them have ever worn out nor caused me any clearly directly related problems.Having said that, I also say - if you can avoid it, do so. Anything less invasive is preferable. It's a very invasive procedure.I used to have terrible teeth: many, many large cavities. Every time I went to get my teeth cleaned, there were more. However, since I've changed my diet, it's amazing how much less problems I have had. I don't think I've had them find a new cavity since my diet changed. The solution is in preventing the problems if at all possible. Version: 7.1.371 / Virus Database: 267.13.13/200 - Release 12/14/2005 "A ship is safe in a harbor - but that's not what ships were made to do"

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I'm new to the group and have much to learn, but I have had experience in this

area. A

number of years ago, I ended up with a root canal because I also had a tooth

that " didn't

feel right " and was achey. First I had a crown which helped for a while, then I

had a root

canal which helped for another year, but it started to bother me again. I was

told about

this expensive proceedure which was basically a type of root canal through the

side of the

gums to get any " missed " roots. Fortunately, I never got around to it. I had

learned about

the dangers of amalgam fillings and got all of mine replaced. Amazingly, after

the filling

in the tooth NEXT to my root canal was replaced, all of the problems and aching

instantly

cleared up. Sometimes filling doesn't end up fitting a tooth perfectly and

because the

roots can be tangled, you won't feel the pain in the " right " tooth.

 

As far as the book about root canals, I believe you can get it through the

Price-Pottenger

Foundation.

Lynn

 

> > herbal remedies , Chris Lavelle

> > <chrisndana1@s...> wrote:

> > I was at the dentist today and they are suggesting a possible root

> > canal on a tooth that is starting to ache. It does not have a cavity

> > or filling. It doesn't hurt a lot -- but it just doesn't feel quite right.

> > >

> > > I remember seeing a book about the dangers of root canals --

> > anyone know the name and author?

[Guest guest]

Thank you so much. It does help. We have a pretty good organic food selection here. I think I'll try to slowly change my diet. I'm headed toward diabetes also. I need to do something because it's on both sides of my family. Thanks again. Glenda

 

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maddress

herbal remedies

Thursday, December 15, 2005 6:16 PM

Re: Herbal Remedies - Re: Root canal

 

I didn't actually change my diet specifically for my teeth. I changed my diet because I was headed towards diabetes, and I didn't want diabetes. The change in my teeth was just a bonus.

I eat "a wide variety of food, in moderation, as close to its natural state as possible." That means I eat many, many more varieties of fruits, vegetables and grains than I ever did before. I eat whole, unprocessed, organic foods (at least as much organic as I can get my hands on - if I can't get it organic, I severely limit how much of it I eat). I use olive oil liberally. I buy very little in a grocery store. Most of what they sell there is what I call non-food (food that is so processed that our bodies don't really even recognize it as food). I buy some organic produce at the grocery store during the winter (during the summer, I buy fresh from a local CSA farm). I make everything from scratch. If it's processed, contains any added chemicals (look at the ingredients list on the back of Walmart meat), or comes out of a box - I don't eat it. I avoid adding chemicals to my body whenever possible.

The benefits of this way of eating numerous. I have so much more energy than I did before. I'm finding that I need less sleep. My blood sugar readings are normal. Like I said, I've not had any new cavities (doesn't do anything for the old ones though). I haven't had my cholesteral checked, but I'm willing to bet it's pretty good, despite the fact that I eat far more eggs, butter, etc. than doctors recommend for cholesterol control. One thing I'm really interested in finding out. I've been diagnosed with glaucoma. The recommended treatment is eye drops for the rest of my life. I stopped using them about six months ago. In another month or two, I will go back and have the pressure in my eyes checked again. I'm very curious to see if the diet changes have made a difference.

Hope this helps,

Terri

 

 

 

 

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[Guest guest]

If you're worried about diabetes, the first thing I would do is cut

out anything processed (white flour, white sugar, stuff from a box,

etc.). Then work towards organics. Just my suggestion.

 

Terri

 

herbal remedies , " Glenda White "

<white4208@c...> wrote:

>

> Thank you so much. It does help. We have a pretty good organic

food selection here. I think I'll try to slowly change my diet.

I'm headed toward diabetes also. I need to do something because

it's on both sides of my family. Thanks again. Glenda

> -

> maddress@m...

> herbal remedies

> Thursday, December 15, 2005 6:16 PM

> Re: Herbal Remedies - Re: Root canal

>

>

> I didn't actually change my diet specifically for my teeth. I

changed my diet because I was headed towards diabetes, and I didn't

want diabetes. The change in my teeth was just a bonus.

>

> I eat " a wide variety of food, in moderation, as close to its

natural state as possible. " That means I eat many, many more

varieties of fruits, vegetables and grains than I ever did before.

I eat whole, unprocessed, organic foods (at least as much organic as

I can get my hands on - if I can't get it organic, I severely limit

how much of it I eat). I use olive oil liberally. I buy very

little in a grocery store. Most of what they sell there is what I

call non-food (food that is so processed that our bodies don't

really even recognize it as food). I buy some organic produce at

the grocery store during the winter (during the summer, I buy fresh

from a local CSA farm). I make everything from scratch. If it's

processed, contains any added chemicals (look at the ingredients

list on the back of Walmart meat), or comes out of a box - I don't

eat it. I avoid adding chemicals to my body whenever possible.

>

> The benefits of this way of eating numerous. I have so much

more energy than I did before. I'm finding that I need less

sleep. My blood sugar readings are normal. Like I said, I've not

had any new cavities (doesn't do anything for the old ones though).

I haven't had my cholesteral checked, but I'm willing to bet it's

pretty good, despite the fact that I eat far more eggs, butter, etc.

than doctors recommend for cholesterol control. One thing I'm

really interested in finding out. I've been diagnosed with

glaucoma. The recommended treatment is eye drops for the rest of my

life. I stopped using them about six months ago. In another month

or two, I will go back and have the pressure in my eyes checked

again. I'm very curious to see if the diet changes have made a

difference.

>

>

> Hope this helps,

>

> Terri

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Hey Terri

 

I understand that you're not trying to justify them, and I

appreciate your input.

 

I guess I should clarify a few things myself, and these will be

mostly random thoughts, so please bear with me if they seem

scattered.

 

I don't have dental ins, or any health ins for that matter, so the

root canal procedure itself was $850 out of pocket, and the crown

will be another $1000-$1300, depending on which type I ultimately go

with. Many people pay much less, but often it is due to the fact

that they have some sort of dental coverage. (Or, like you, they

live in an area where dental prices are within the realm of the

planet!)

 

Regarding the health problems, this paragraph assumes that what was

meant by that is the contribution to other health issues made by the

root canal procedure. Many problems that root canals cause, or

contribute to, don't often have a visibly direct relation. For

example, one of the problems I encountered THE DAY OF my root canal,

and every day since then, is a VERY strange body odor, sort of

skunky, on the left side only (not the right.) Now, since the

lymphatic system drains primarily on the left, the underarm is a

major cluster of nodes and excretion of those by-products, and I had

other symptoms of an impaired lymph system as well, I thought it was

a little strange that this would happen after a root canal on a

tooth. But then, the tooth I had the work done on ran right thru

the Chinese meridian that affects the lymph system. Seemingly

completely unrelated...but I believe it's a direct correlation even

though it doesn't appear as such. So it's good to be on the lookout

after any procedure like that and note any changes, no matter how

bizarre they might be.

 

Regarding " wearing out " : many ins companies allow for a crown to be

reset every 5 years, and the unethical dentists will follow that

formula to enhance their own pockets. Those are the dentists I

speak of who love root canals. Having said that, though, there are

MANY dentists out there (most of them, hopefully) that do quality

work. I have heard of root canals and crowns lasting 35 years

before even needing a little touch-up. So I didn't mean to imply

that all dentists are coniving scam artists who do Wal-Mart work.

<big grin>

 

The comments regarding diet and prevention of dental problems in the

first place are well said and well taken!

 

 

 

herbal remedies , maddress@m... wrote:

>

> I want to be clear before I start - I am NOT justifying root

canals. I've not studied into them and as of this moment, I have no

clear opinion as to whether or not they are good or bad.

>

> However, I want to give another perspective about two of the facts

presented here. Where I live, a root canal on a molar (which is the

most expensive one to do) is about $600, less than 1/3 of the $2000

price quoted here. I know people who have had root canals for more

than 20 years (myself included) with no directly related problems

(meaning they did not " wear out " ).

>

> I personally have had many root canals. While I am not debating

the fact that it may or may not have contributed to my state of

health, none of them have ever worn out nor caused me any clearly

directly related problems.

>

> Having said that, I also say - if you can avoid it, do so.

Anything less invasive is preferable. It's a very invasive

procedure.

>

> I used to have terrible teeth: many, many large cavities. Every

time I went to get my teeth cleaned, there were more. However,

since I've changed my diet, it's amazing how much less problems I

have had. I don't think I've had them find a new cavity since my

diet changed. The solution is in preventing the problems if at all

possible.

>

> Terri

>

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> " supervixen08 " <supervixen08>

> herbal remedies

> Herbal Remedies - Re: Root canal

> Thu, 15 Dec 2005 05:48:28 -0000

>

> >

> > Dentists LOVE root canals. They cost roughly $2000, they don't

> > usually take real long, and they pretty much wear out every 5

years,

> > thus ensuring them a client/patient for life!

> >

> > DO NOT get one, if you can AT ALL help it. Your body's energy

> > meridians reflex to the teeth, and a root canal royally screws up

> > those meridians, causing major health problems down the road. I

wish

> > I had known this in May when I had my first one done! Someone

said

> > not to get more than 1-2 in your life, and they were right.

> >

> > If it were me, and my tooth didn't hurt A LOT, I would forego

getting one.

> >

> > Consider some off-the-wall possibilities:

> > 1) sometimes when those energy meridians get

> > blocked/unbalanced/whatever, they can make the tooth ache some.

See

> > an acupuncturist to get these meridians cleared out.

> > 2) Sometimes there are what are called trigger points in some of

the

> > facial muscles near the cheek bones/temples, and these are spots

of

> > hyper-irritable tissue that can refer pain to other seemingly

> > unrelated areas. Often, you will feel pain in a trigger point's

> > " referral zone " and NOT the actual trigger point itself. The

trigger

> > points in the muscles of the side of the face/head have referral

zones

> > to individual teeth. See a massage therapist who has been

trained in

> > Trigger Point therapy and TMJ work to rule out this possibility.

> >

> > When did you start feeling this tooth ache? Does it ever get

better,

> > or is it getting progressively worse?

> >

> > If your tooth doesn't HURT but simply doesn't feel right, I'd

consider

> > those other options first, while getting second and third

opinions

> > from other dentists.

> >

> > Hope that helps!

> > Feel free to contact me for any further info.

> > Hugs,

> > --JL

> >

> > herbal remedies , Chris Lavelle

> > <chrisndana1@s...> wrote:

> > >

> > > Hello,

> > > I was at the dentist today and they are suggesting a

possible root

> > canal on a tooth that is starting to ache. It does not have a

cavity

> > or filling. It doesn't hurt a lot -- but it just doesn't feel

quite right.

> > >

> > > I remember seeing a book about the dangers of root canals --

> > anyone know the name and author?

> > >

> > > Dentist mentioned it could also be sinus pressure...I am not

> > willing to undergo this unless absolutely necessary. Any advice

or

> > suggestions (herbal or otherwise) would be greatly appreciated.

> > >

> > > Thanks! Dana

> > >

>

>

>

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[Guest guest]

I had my first root canal at age 42 a year ago. It was the most horrible

experience.

The dentist did it and 3 weeks later it was hurting again. He checked it and

the very

bottom of the root was at a 90 degree angle from the rest of the tooth. He sent

me to

a root canal expert (thought he was!) and he told me it would only be a50/50

chance

that the root canal would be successful. So I said NO and had it pulled. I was

sick also

for a few months and had to detox!

I would think very serious about this one.

Just my 2 cents. Good luck.

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Has anyone suceesfully treated a tooth that requires root canal??? The nerve

decays and the bone surrounding the tooth becomes infected.?The western

treatment is a root canal or extraction.?? Antibiotics don't work, since there

is a poor blood supply to the bone.?

 

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Marty,

 

I have successfully treated the infection in the tooth socket with

herbs a few times, but the patient has to be willing to drink a very

bitter decoction three times per day for around a week to ten days.

Then, if the nerve is necrotic, they still need to get the root canal

or extraction.

 

When the nerve is just inflamed but still alive, acupuncture can

definitely relieve the pain and inflammation. Saint Johns Wort

tincture and homeopathy (Hypericum, Arnica) are very helpful in

reducing the nerve inflammation in those cases. In these cases, it is

just inflammation (usually due to some previous drilling) and not

infection.

 

- Bill Schoenbart

 

Chinese Medicine , martyeisen wrote:

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> Has anyone suceesfully treated a tooth that requires root canal???

The nerve decays and the bone surrounding the tooth becomes

infected.?The western treatment is a root canal or extraction.??

Antibiotics don't work, since there is a poor blood supply to the bone.?

>

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I have treated abscessed tooth both on myself and others using Resinal K

from Health Concerns to massage the gums and internally taking Platycodon 14

from 7 Forests. Theses herbs along with Acupuncture (the book recommend St. 6 &

St. 7, St. 44, LI 4, etc.).

One experience was with a lady who could not afford a root canal and was

strongly opposed to the idea of getting one. The whole side of her face was

swollen and red. After 3 or 4 sessions, I did not see her again for a couple of

months; when I did she said she was fine. It helps when the person you are

treating is a little radical about the dislike of receiving treatment with

Western meds.

Then I had an abscessed tooth. My wife was concerned because her mother

had an acquaintance die from an abscessed tooth. I went to my dentist who

confirmed that my tooth was abscessed. He said the alternatives were

abstraction or root canal, which I liked neither. I did the above treatment -

Resinal K external massage on the gums, and Platycodon 14 internally, plus

Acupuncture.

It helps to be lucky because it is a severe condition. And you need to be

working with a certain kind of client who is willing to take a chance.

One of my dentist clients joking said he was going to turn me into the ADA.

But in theory, it is basically a wind/heat with some damp condition in the

Stomach channel. It is not like a cavity that has to be restored.

That is my experience and point of view anyway.

Patrick

 

 

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I have treated two patients with abcessed teeth. Both responded very well to

Nagano's metal/water treatment on the stomach and small intestine channel.

If heat is more severe you can add okyu in the channel's fire point too.

These two patients, however, did not have a root canal diagnosis (but they

didin't have a negative diagnosis, either). I did, however, and treated

myself the same way with clove oil applied locally by my dentist. All went

well and I just had to have an ordinary restoration done. Good luck!

 

2008/1/20, Patrick D. Holiman <patrick:

>

> I have treated abscessed tooth both on myself and others using Resinal

> K from Health Concerns to massage the gums and internally taking Platycodon

> 14 from 7 Forests. Theses herbs along with Acupuncture (the book recommend

> St. 6 & St. 7, St. 44, LI 4, etc.).

> One experience was with a lady who could not afford a root canal and was

> strongly opposed to the idea of getting one. The whole side of her face was

> swollen and red. After 3 or 4 sessions, I did not see her again for a couple

> of months; when I did she said she was fine. It helps when the person you

> are treating is a little radical about the dislike of receiving treatment

> with Western meds.

> Then I had an abscessed tooth. My wife was concerned because her mother

> had an acquaintance die from an abscessed tooth. I went to my dentist who

> confirmed that my tooth was abscessed. He said the alternatives were

> abstraction or root canal, which I liked neither. I did the above treatment

> - Resinal K external massage on the gums, and Platycodon 14 internally, plus

> Acupuncture.

> It helps to be lucky because it is a severe condition. And you need to be

> working with a certain kind of client who is willing to take a chance.

> One of my dentist clients joking said he was going to turn me into the

> ADA. But in theory, it is basically a wind/heat with some damp condition in

> the Stomach channel. It is not like a cavity that has to be restored.

> That is my experience and point of view anyway.

> Patrick

>

> Patrick D. Holiman

> http://web.mac.com/pholitao

> http://www.acu-polarity.com

>

>

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Hi Marty,

 

I was unfortunate enough to require 2 root canal surgeries in 2007. What my

dentist explained to me is that the antibiotics are required to kill the

infection, and the root canal is required to remove dead material (pulp), which

is fertile breeding ground for recurring infections if it is left in place.

Such infections can erode bone and cause loss of teeth. In upper teeth,

infections such as these can invade the sinuses and even the brain, and were a

common cause of death among our primordial ancestors. Icky.

 

My experience was unusual, I think. I have a history of unexplainable jaw pain

that comes and goes, and is sometimes present for months at a time. So when I

had pain last spring, I treated it with acupuncture and the pain went away. It

was a few months later that I could feel a squishiness under one of my teeth

when I bit down, and a sharper pain. That's when I saw my dentist. Apparently

that time around, the nerve was starting to die and I had symptoms more subtle

than most root canal patients would notice, for a few months before it became

more acute. I did take the antibiotics and to my dentist's surprise, did not

need painkillers. X-rays revealed an abscess at the very tip of the tooth's

root.

 

With the second tooth, I found a painful swelling on the gum above my tooth. I

felt it while washing my face in the shower - even with subtle pressure it was

quite tender. I never had any pain in the tooth at all, but I did again have

jaw pain. Apparently, dying nerves in the teeth can sometimes cause symptoms

that resemble trigeminal neuralgia, and it can be difficult to assess where the

symptoms are coming from.

 

I used to take a very hard stand against taking antibiotics. In both of these

cases, I did take them - with lots of probiotics and other herbal support as

well. And acupuncture to keep myself comfortable until the root canals could be

performed - In both instances, I had to wait a month or more.

 

Good luck with this.

 

 

 

martyeisen wrote:

 

 

 

Has anyone suceesfully treated a tooth that requires root canal??? The nerve

decays and the bone surrounding the tooth becomes infected.?The western

treatment is a root canal or extraction.?? Antibiotics don't work, since there

is a poor blood supply to the bone.?

 

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Karen,

 

is right. Use colloidal silver around tooth and also drink it. Before putting colloidal silver, clean teeth very well with hydrogen peroxide after brushing well. Then apply the colloidal silver - you may use a dropper or even your toothbrush to deliver it. This method i used for my hubby's infected tooth and gum and it worked real well, but not overnight. Pain subsided around 50% then disappeared. He now has developed the habit of putting the CS even if his tooth/gum isno longer infected.

 

Melly