Guest guest Posted April 6, 2005 Report Share Posted April 6, 2005 Dimple: What particular aspects of pain management are you looking at? Herbs, or constellations of acupoints to control or end pain? Regards, Jack --- Dimple Sharma <dimplesharma220 wrote: > hiya everyone, > > I am currently trying to write out my > dissertation on pain > management and an wondering if anyone has articles > or anything of the sort > that can help me out. I am finding it really hard > > Many thanks > > Dimple > > > " Attilio D'Alberto " > <attiliodalberto > > > Chinese Medicine > ><Chinese Medicine > > >RE: Acupuncture, Spain > >Mon, 4 Apr 2005 10:56:36 +0100 > > > >Hi Kevin, > > > >Most of Europe uses Napoleonic law, including > Spain. This means that only > >MDs can practice acupuncture even though you are > qualified and licensed to > >do so in your own country. There are ways around > this by working under a > >sympathetic MD, but they may limit what you can > practice and on what type > >of > >patients. > > > >Kind regards > > > >Attilio D'Alberto > >Doctor of (Beijing, China) > >BSc (Hons) TCM MATCM > >07786198900 > >attiliodalberto > > <http://www.attiliodalberto.com/> > www.attiliodalberto.com > > > > > >Kevin Hamill [kchamill] > >04 April 2005 09:12 > >Chinese Medicine > >Acupuncture, Spain > > > > > >Hello all, > > > >If anyone knows of any acupuncturists in Spain that > may be willing to > >provide me with information regarding the legal > status and practice of > >acupuncture there, I would greatly appreciate any > information you/they > >may be able to provide, either here or directly to > me off-list > >(kchamill). > > > >I live in NY (USA), and am an American as well as > Irish citizen, > >planning on moving to Madrid. I have been > licensed/practicing for 7 > >years. > > > >I have been looking for information regarding > acupuncture laws, > >licensing/transferring credentials, etc. in Spain > but have not had much > >luck so far. > > > >I have checked Google pretty extensively, and the > Ministerio de > >Sanidad's website also, but to no avail. I have > also read on > >www.sedolor.es that as of January 2004, acupuncture > may only be > >performed/practiced by medical doctors; I am hoping > I misunderstood the > >article due to my rusty Spanish. Perhaps someone > will be able to > >clarify that. > > > >Thank you in advance and appreciate any help you > might be able to > >provide. > > > > > >Kevin Hamill, L.Ac., B.Sc. > > > > > > > > > > > >To translate this message, copy and paste it into > this web link page, > >http://babel.altavista.com/ > > > > > > > and adjust > >accordingly. > > > >Messages are the property of the author. Any > duplication outside the group > >requires prior permission from the author. > > > >If you are a TCM academic and wish to discuss TCM > with other academics, > > > > > > > > > > > _____ > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 6, 2005 Report Share Posted April 6, 2005 hm i am also interested in de constellations if acupoints to control and end pain ... Rick Jack Sweeney <mojavecowboy wrote: Dimple: What particular aspects of pain management are you looking at? Herbs, or constellations of acupoints to control or end pain? Regards, Jack --- Dimple Sharma <dimplesharma220 wrote: > hiya everyone, > > I am currently trying to write out my > dissertation on pain > management and an wondering if anyone has articles > or anything of the sort > that can help me out. I am finding it really hard > > Many thanks > > Dimple > > > " Attilio D'Alberto " > <attiliodalberto > > > Chinese Medicine > ><Chinese Medicine > > >RE: Acupuncture, Spain > >Mon, 4 Apr 2005 10:56:36 +0100 > > > >Hi Kevin, > > > >Most of Europe uses Napoleonic law, including > Spain. This means that only > >MDs can practice acupuncture even though you are > qualified and licensed to > >do so in your own country. There are ways around > this by working under a > >sympathetic MD, but they may limit what you can > practice and on what type > >of > >patients. > > > >Kind regards > > > >Attilio D'Alberto > >Doctor of (Beijing, China) > >BSc (Hons) TCM MATCM > >07786198900 > >attiliodalberto > > <http://www.attiliodalberto.com/> > www.attiliodalberto.com > > > > > >Kevin Hamill [kchamill] > >04 April 2005 09:12 > >Chinese Medicine > >Acupuncture, Spain > > > > > >Hello all, > > > >If anyone knows of any acupuncturists in Spain that > may be willing to > >provide me with information regarding the legal > status and practice of > >acupuncture there, I would greatly appreciate any > information you/they > >may be able to provide, either here or directly to > me off-list > >(kchamill). > > > >I live in NY (USA), and am an American as well as > Irish citizen, > >planning on moving to Madrid. I have been > licensed/practicing for 7 > >years. > > > >I have been looking for information regarding > acupuncture laws, > >licensing/transferring credentials, etc. in Spain > but have not had much > >luck so far. > > > >I have checked Google pretty extensively, and the > Ministerio de > >Sanidad's website also, but to no avail. I have > also read on > >www.sedolor.es that as of January 2004, acupuncture > may only be > >performed/practiced by medical doctors; I am hoping > I misunderstood the > >article due to my rusty Spanish. Perhaps someone > will be able to > >clarify that. > > > >Thank you in advance and appreciate any help you > might be able to > >provide. > > > > > >Kevin Hamill, L.Ac., B.Sc. > > > > > > > > > > > >To translate this message, copy and paste it into > this web link page, > >http://babel.altavista.com/ > > > > > > > and adjust > >accordingly. > > > >Messages are the property of the author. Any > duplication outside the group > >requires prior permission from the author. > > > >If you are a TCM academic and wish to discuss TCM > with other academics, > > > > > > > > > > > _____ > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 6, 2005 Report Share Posted April 6, 2005 I like to hear about thise as well Jack.... Hi there... m. Rick <rick_kamps1973 wrote: hm i am also interested in de constellations if acupoints to control and end pain ... Rick Jack Sweeney <mojavecowboy wrote: Dimple: What particular aspects of pain management are you looking at? Herbs, or constellations of acupoints to control or end pain? Regards, Jack --- Dimple Sharma <dimplesharma220 wrote: > hiya everyone, > > I am currently trying to write out my > dissertation on pain > management and an wondering if anyone has articles > or anything of the sort > that can help me out. I am finding it really hard > > Many thanks > > Dimple > > > " Attilio D'Alberto " > <attiliodalberto > > > Chinese Medicine > ><Chinese Medicine > > >RE: Acupuncture, Spain > >Mon, 4 Apr 2005 10:56:36 +0100 > > > >Hi Kevin, > > > >Most of Europe uses Napoleonic law, including > Spain. This means that only > >MDs can practice acupuncture even though you are > qualified and licensed to > >do so in your own country. There are ways around > this by working under a > >sympathetic MD, but they may limit what you can > practice and on what type > >of > >patients. > > > >Kind regards > > > >Attilio D'Alberto > >Doctor of (Beijing, China) > >BSc (Hons) TCM MATCM > >07786198900 > >attiliodalberto > > <http://www.attiliodalberto.com/> > www.attiliodalberto.com > > > > > >Kevin Hamill [kchamill] > >04 April 2005 09:12 > >Chinese Medicine > >Acupuncture, Spain > > > > > >Hello all, > > > >If anyone knows of any acupuncturists in Spain that > may be willing to > >provide me with information regarding the legal > status and practice of > >acupuncture there, I would greatly appreciate any > information you/they > >may be able to provide, either here or directly to > me off-list > >(kchamill). > > > >I live in NY (USA), and am an American as well as > Irish citizen, > >planning on moving to Madrid. I have been > licensed/practicing for 7 > >years. > > > >I have been looking for information regarding > acupuncture laws, > >licensing/transferring credentials, etc. in Spain > but have not had much > >luck so far. > > > >I have checked Google pretty extensively, and the > Ministerio de > >Sanidad's website also, but to no avail. I have > also read on > >www.sedolor.es that as of January 2004, acupuncture > may only be > >performed/practiced by medical doctors; I am hoping > I misunderstood the > >article due to my rusty Spanish. Perhaps someone > will be able to > >clarify that. > > > >Thank you in advance and appreciate any help you > might be able to > >provide. > > > > > >Kevin Hamill, L.Ac., B.Sc. > > > > > > > > > > > >To translate this message, copy and paste it into > this web link page, > >http://babel.altavista.com/ > > > > > > > and adjust > >accordingly. > > > >Messages are the property of the author. Any > duplication outside the group > >requires prior permission from the author. > > > >If you are a TCM academic and wish to discuss TCM > with other academics, > > > > > > > > > > > _____ > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 7, 2005 Report Share Posted April 7, 2005 Rick, Michael: In my Chinese acupuncture textbook, which is about the Zheng style of acupuncture (five generations of doctors), part of the entry for some of the treatments is, " to stop pain. " It would take some work to track them down and translate them, but might be worth doing. What do you think? Those, together with Dr. Holme's post today, might offer a good pain management plan. Regards, Jack --- Michael Finnell <mfinnell0401 wrote: > I like to hear about thise as well Jack.... Hi > there... > m. > > Rick <rick_kamps1973 wrote: > hm i am also interested in de constellations if > acupoints to control and end pain ... > > Rick > > > Jack Sweeney <mojavecowboy wrote: > Dimple: > > What particular aspects of pain management are you > looking at? Herbs, or constellations of acupoints to > control or end pain? > > Regards, Jack > > --- Dimple Sharma <dimplesharma220 > wrote: > > hiya everyone, > > > > I am currently trying to write out my > > dissertation on pain > > management and an wondering if anyone has articles > > or anything of the sort > > that can help me out. I am finding it really hard > > > > > Many thanks > > > > Dimple > > > > > " Attilio D'Alberto " > > <attiliodalberto > > > > > Chinese Medicine > > >To: > <Chinese Medicine > > > >RE: Acupuncture, Spain > > >Mon, 4 Apr 2005 10:56:36 +0100 > > > > > >Hi Kevin, > > > > > >Most of Europe uses Napoleonic law, including > > Spain. This means that only > > >MDs can practice acupuncture even though you are > > qualified and licensed to > > >do so in your own country. There are ways around > > this by working under a > > >sympathetic MD, but they may limit what you can > > practice and on what type > > >of > > >patients. > > > > > >Kind regards > > > > > >Attilio D'Alberto > > >Doctor of (Beijing, China) > > >BSc (Hons) TCM MATCM > > >07786198900 > > >attiliodalberto > > > <http://www.attiliodalberto.com/> > > www.attiliodalberto.com > > > > > > > > >Kevin Hamill > [kchamill] > > >04 April 2005 09:12 > > >Chinese Medicine > > >Acupuncture, Spain > > > > > > > > >Hello all, > > > > > >If anyone knows of any acupuncturists in Spain > that > > may be willing to > > >provide me with information regarding the legal > > status and practice of > > >acupuncture there, I would greatly appreciate any > > information you/they > > >may be able to provide, either here or directly > to > > me off-list > > >(kchamill). > > > > > >I live in NY (USA), and am an American as well as > > Irish citizen, > > >planning on moving to Madrid. I have been > > licensed/practicing for 7 > > >years. > > > > > >I have been looking for information regarding > > acupuncture laws, > > >licensing/transferring credentials, etc. in Spain > > but have not had much > > >luck so far. > > > > > >I have checked Google pretty extensively, and the > > Ministerio de > > >Sanidad's website also, but to no avail. I have > > also read on > > >www.sedolor.es that as of January 2004, > acupuncture > > may only be > > >performed/practiced by medical doctors; I am > hoping > > I misunderstood the > > >article due to my rusty Spanish. Perhaps someone > > will be able to > > >clarify that. > > > > > >Thank you in advance and appreciate any help you > > might be able to > > >provide. > > > > > > > > >Kevin Hamill, L.Ac., B.Sc. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >To translate this message, copy and paste it into > > this web link page, > > >http://babel.altavista.com/ > > > > > > > > > > > > and adjust > > >accordingly. > > > > > >Messages are the property of the author. Any > > duplication outside the group > > >requires prior permission from the author. > > > > > >If you are a TCM academic and wish to discuss TCM > > with other academics, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _____ > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 7, 2005 Report Share Posted April 7, 2005 Well I like the idea , but the problem is that i can not read chinese :-) You mentioned the post of dr Holme's , but i think i have missed it for some reason. Best wishes Rick Jack Sweeney <mojavecowboy wrote: Rick, Michael: In my Chinese acupuncture textbook, which is about the Zheng style of acupuncture (five generations of doctors), part of the entry for some of the treatments is, " to stop pain. " It would take some work to track them down and translate them, but might be worth doing. What do you think? Those, together with Dr. Holme's post today, might offer a good pain management plan. Regards, Jack --- Michael Finnell <mfinnell0401 wrote: > I like to hear about thise as well Jack.... Hi > there... > m. > > Rick <rick_kamps1973 wrote: > hm i am also interested in de constellations if > acupoints to control and end pain ... > > Rick > > > Jack Sweeney <mojavecowboy wrote: > Dimple: > > What particular aspects of pain management are you > looking at? Herbs, or constellations of acupoints to > control or end pain? > > Regards, Jack > > --- Dimple Sharma <dimplesharma220 > wrote: > > hiya everyone, > > > > I am currently trying to write out my > > dissertation on pain > > management and an wondering if anyone has articles > > or anything of the sort > > that can help me out. I am finding it really hard > > > > > Many thanks > > > > Dimple > > > > > " Attilio D'Alberto " > > <attiliodalberto > > > > > Chinese Medicine > > >To: > <Chinese Medicine > > > >RE: Acupuncture, Spain > > >Mon, 4 Apr 2005 10:56:36 +0100 > > > > > >Hi Kevin, > > > > > >Most of Europe uses Napoleonic law, including > > Spain. This means that only > > >MDs can practice acupuncture even though you are > > qualified and licensed to > > >do so in your own country. There are ways around > > this by working under a > > >sympathetic MD, but they may limit what you can > > practice and on what type > > >of > > >patients. > > > > > >Kind regards > > > > > >Attilio D'Alberto > > >Doctor of (Beijing, China) > > >BSc (Hons) TCM MATCM > > >07786198900 > > >attiliodalberto > > > <http://www.attiliodalberto.com/> > > www.attiliodalberto.com > > > > > > > > >Kevin Hamill > [kchamill] > > >04 April 2005 09:12 > > >Chinese Medicine > > >Acupuncture, Spain > > > > > > > > >Hello all, > > > > > >If anyone knows of any acupuncturists in Spain > that > > may be willing to > > >provide me with information regarding the legal > > status and practice of > > >acupuncture there, I would greatly appreciate any > > information you/they > > >may be able to provide, either here or directly > to > > me off-list > > >(kchamill). > > > > > >I live in NY (USA), and am an American as well as > > Irish citizen, > > >planning on moving to Madrid. I have been > > licensed/practicing for 7 > > >years. > > > > > >I have been looking for information regarding > > acupuncture laws, > > >licensing/transferring credentials, etc. in Spain > > but have not had much > > >luck so far. > > > > > >I have checked Google pretty extensively, and the > > Ministerio de > > >Sanidad's website also, but to no avail. I have > > also read on > > >www.sedolor.es that as of January 2004, > acupuncture > > may only be > > >performed/practiced by medical doctors; I am > hoping > > I misunderstood the > > >article due to my rusty Spanish. Perhaps someone > > will be able to > > >clarify that. > > > > > >Thank you in advance and appreciate any help you > > might be able to > > >provide. > > > > > > > > >Kevin Hamill, L.Ac., B.Sc. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >To translate this message, copy and paste it into > > this web link page, > > >http://babel.altavista.com/ > > > > > > > > > > > > and adjust > > >accordingly. > > > > > >Messages are the property of the author. Any > > duplication outside the group > > >requires prior permission from the author. > > > > > >If you are a TCM academic and wish to discuss TCM > > with other academics, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _____ > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 8, 2005 Report Share Posted April 8, 2005 Rick, Michael, Dimple: Dr. Holmes responded to Dimple's query about pain under the Acupuncture, Spain message heading, which is why you may have missed his response (re-posted below). I've started to do some writing for publication, and this might make a good article. Dimple originally made the point that she is having difficulty finding resources for her dissertation. If there's sufficient interest, I could collect the pain points, translate them and publish them in an article. Regards, Jack Dr. Holme's and Dimple's posts: " Pain is always a disharmony. A disharmony may or may not be pain. If you treat pain and not the disharmony, pain will go away to come back as another illness which bears no resemblance to the original condition. Example, migraine: If it is chronic and temporal, and is reduced by GB SJ points as in the texts, it will keep relapsing, and sooner or later turn into an illness of ST. Such a pain should be diagnosed as a 5 E pattern and then treated. Pattern: A LU xu GB Rising temporal migraine pattern. Treatment protocol: Tone LU with Mother point and reduce GB with a Son point. Pattern: A LV Stagnated ST Rising frontal migraine pattern. Treatment protocol: Harmonize LV and reduce ST with a Son point. Example, sprained ankle: If it is a habitual incident and happens again and again over years, and the ankle turns inwards, and it is more R than L ankle, this is a GB based illness with the ankle pain playing a minor role. Treat this with harmonizing LV and working out kinks in the GB vessel. As often the Dai on R side or L is culpable. Pain in terms of qi gradient: If there is a blocked qi, proximal part will be acute and excess pain and the distal chronic and numb pain. If block is partly released or becomes chronic, proximal part will be chronic and distal an ache. Treat both conditions as an asymmetry, which must be identified and righted. Such a pain, unless acute, is never directly treated. Trade mark pain types: Head and neck rigidity and pain - HT xu. Sciatica - if violent - a LU condition. Sciatica - if low grade - a K condition. Sciatica - if changing from R to L & back - a LV condition. R Sciatica with L shoulder anomalies - a spine or Dai asymmetry. Pain which throbs - component of Heat and Fire. Treat by draining Heat. Pain which aches- component of Cold and Damp. Treat by applying Heat. Pain acute with h/o injury - Blood stagnation. Treat by bleeding. Pain which is timely on horary clock - problem on that or opposite vessel. Treat by vessel on one or other side of the clock. In a sense there is no pain without blocked qi. In a sense there can be blocked qi with an entire absence of pain. Here is a Q for you: What causes the fiercest pain, a Heat and Fiery condition, or a Cold invasion one? Dimple Sharma wrote: > hiya everyone, > > I am currently trying to write out my dissertation on pain > management and an wondering if anyone has articles or anything of the > sort > that can help me out. I am finding it really hard Make your home page http://www./r/hs Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 8, 2005 Report Share Posted April 8, 2005 >If there's sufficient interest, I could collect the >pain points, translate them and publish them in an >article. Well that would be great! I am looking forward to it. Thanks for the info! Best wishes Rick Jack Sweeney <mojavecowboy wrote: Rick, Michael, Dimple: Dr. Holmes responded to Dimple's query about pain under the Acupuncture, Spain message heading, which is why you may have missed his response (re-posted below). I've started to do some writing for publication, and this might make a good article. Dimple originally made the point that she is having difficulty finding resources for her dissertation. If there's sufficient interest, I could collect the pain points, translate them and publish them in an article. Regards, Jack Dr. Holme's and Dimple's posts: " Pain is always a disharmony. A disharmony may or may not be pain. If you treat pain and not the disharmony, pain will go away to come back as another illness which bears no resemblance to the original condition. Example, migraine: If it is chronic and temporal, and is reduced by GB SJ points as in the texts, it will keep relapsing, and sooner or later turn into an illness of ST. Such a pain should be diagnosed as a 5 E pattern and then treated. Pattern: A LU xu GB Rising temporal migraine pattern. Treatment protocol: Tone LU with Mother point and reduce GB with a Son point. Pattern: A LV Stagnated ST Rising frontal migraine pattern. Treatment protocol: Harmonize LV and reduce ST with a Son point. Example, sprained ankle: If it is a habitual incident and happens again and again over years, and the ankle turns inwards, and it is more R than L ankle, this is a GB based illness with the ankle pain playing a minor role. Treat this with harmonizing LV and working out kinks in the GB vessel. As often the Dai on R side or L is culpable. Pain in terms of qi gradient: If there is a blocked qi, proximal part will be acute and excess pain and the distal chronic and numb pain. If block is partly released or becomes chronic, proximal part will be chronic and distal an ache. Treat both conditions as an asymmetry, which must be identified and righted. Such a pain, unless acute, is never directly treated. Trade mark pain types: Head and neck rigidity and pain - HT xu. Sciatica - if violent - a LU condition. Sciatica - if low grade - a K condition. Sciatica - if changing from R to L & back - a LV condition. R Sciatica with L shoulder anomalies - a spine or Dai asymmetry. Pain which throbs - component of Heat and Fire. Treat by draining Heat. Pain which aches- component of Cold and Damp. Treat by applying Heat. Pain acute with h/o injury - Blood stagnation. Treat by bleeding. Pain which is timely on horary clock - problem on that or opposite vessel. Treat by vessel on one or other side of the clock. In a sense there is no pain without blocked qi. In a sense there can be blocked qi with an entire absence of pain. Here is a Q for you: What causes the fiercest pain, a Heat and Fiery condition, or a Cold invasion one? Dimple Sharma wrote: > hiya everyone, > > I am currently trying to write out my dissertation on pain > management and an wondering if anyone has articles or anything of the > sort > that can help me out. I am finding it really hard Make your home page http://www./r/hs http://babel.altavista.com/ and adjust accordingly. If you are a TCM academic and wish to discuss TCM with other academics, click on this link Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 23, 2009 Report Share Posted August 23, 2009 Hi, I'm not too sure if I have introduced myself as of yet. I am 50, married, live in ga, have mixed house of 6 grown children and 5 grandchildren. I also have breast cancer that has mutated itself to my peritenel lining and plurea lining. To top off that pizza, I am highly sensitive to all narcotics....any opiates what so ever! Does anyone here share the sensitivity to opiates? And if so, how do you manage pain? Thank you, Anita in GA Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 23, 2009 Report Share Posted August 23, 2009 Hi Anita, Welcome to the group. Let me recommend the Emotional Freedom Technique (EFT). It works by tapping acupressure points throughout the body and is great for relieving pain. Below is the link: http://www.emofree.com/ oleander soup , "awisteria" <Awisteria wrote:>> Hi, I'm not too sure if I have introduced myself as of yet. I am 50, married, live in ga, have mixed house of 6 grown children and 5 grandchildren. I also have breast cancer that has mutated itself to my peritenel lining and plurea lining. To top off that pizza, I am highly sensitive to all narcotics....any opiates what so ever!> > Does anyone here share the sensitivity to opiates? And if so, how do you manage pain?> > Thank you,> Anita in GA> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 23, 2009 Report Share Posted August 23, 2009 awisteria wrote: > > > Hi, I'm not too sure if I have introduced myself as of yet. I am 50, > married, live in ga, have mixed house of 6 grown children and 5 > grandchildren. I also have breast cancer that has mutated itself to my > peritenel lining and plurea lining. To top off that pizza, I am highly > sensitive to all narcotics....any opiates what so ever! > > Does anyone here share the sensitivity to opiates? And if so, how do you > manage pain? > > Thank you, > Anita in GA > I don't have a problem with opiates but I do have neurological pain that opiates don't work on. I've been using deep tissue massage on my nerve paths, which may be similar to what suggests and I've gotten amazing results with it. In my case the pain is from my spine, injured in two different places and the damage in my neck has caused pain and numbness down my arms and into my hands which is worse at night. She has relieved many kinds of pain I've dealt with and I'd bet it could help you. I was able to reduce my pain meds by about half and refused Lyrica altogether, scared of possible side effects. Another thought is NSAIDS. I've found them to be better at relieving pain than opiates in some situations. Cyndi Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 23, 2009 Report Share Posted August 23, 2009 I haven't tried it for pain yet but people swear by coffee enemas for pain. They say they were able to drop their pain meds when they did coffee enemas --- varyng numbers of times depending on the amount of pain. I've read that some people do them daily. You could do a google search for the details. It is a "low" enema so the coffee doesn't get into your system and do its stimulating/caffeine thing. Jan--- On Sun, 8/23/09, cyndiann <cyndiann9 wrote: cyndiann <cyndiann9Re: Pain managementoleander soup Date: Sunday, August 23, 2009, 11:43 AM awisteria wrote:> > > Hi, I'm not too sure if I have introduced myself as of yet. I am 50, > married, live in ga, have mixed house of 6 grown children and 5 > grandchildren. I also have breast cancer that has mutated itself to my > peritenel lining and plurea lining. To top off that pizza, I am highly > sensitive to all narcotics... .any opiates what so ever!> > Does anyone here share the sensitivity to opiates? And if so, how do you > manage pain?> > Thank you,> Anita in GA> I don't have a problem with opiates but I do have neurological pain that opiates don't work on. I've been using deep tissue massage on my nerve paths, which may be similar to what suggests and I've gotten amazing results with it. In my case the pain is from my spine, injured in two different places and the damage in my neck has caused pain and numbness down my arms and into my hands which is worse at night.She has relieved many kinds of pain I've dealt with and I'd bet it could help you. I was able to reduce my pain meds by about half and refused Lyrica altogether, scared of possible side effects.Another thought is NSAIDS. I've found them to be better at relieving pain than opiates in some situations.Cyndi Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 23, 2009 Report Share Posted August 23, 2009 Where are these linings you are talking about?Thanks, Robynluellamay129 <luellamay129oleander soup Sent: Saturday, August 22, 2009 9:41:26 PM Re: Pain management Hi Anita, Welcome to the group. Let me recommend the Emotional Freedom Technique (EFT). It works by tapping acupressure points throughout the body and is great for relieving pain. Below is the link: http://www.emofree. com/ oleander soup, "awisteria" <Awisteria@.. .> wrote:>> Hi, I'm not too sure if I have introduced myself as of yet. I am 50, married, live in ga, have mixed house of 6 grown children and 5 grandchildren. I also have breast cancer that has mutated itself to my peritenel lining and plurea lining. To top off that pizza, I am highly sensitive to all narcotics... .any opiates what so ever!> > Does anyone here share the sensitivity to opiates? And if so, how do you manage pain?> > Thank you,> Anita in GA> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 23, 2009 Report Share Posted August 23, 2009 chest and abdomen Laura Wilkins Join Granny Warrior in a freedom loving intentional community for safety in troubled times. http://www.freedomisnotdead.org/freedom.htm use me as the referal to save $100 on a campsite or $500 on an acre http://www.chews4health.com/LauraWilkins http://www.simplexityhealth.com/ distributor#2005722 --- On Sun, 8/23/09, robyn howell <robynehowell wrote: robyn howell <robynehowellRe: Re: Pain managementoleander soup Date: Sunday, August 23, 2009, 12:26 PM Where are these linings you are talking about?Thanks, Robyn luellamay129 <luellamay129@ >oleander soupSaturday, August 22, 2009 9:41:26 PM Re: Pain management Hi Anita, Welcome to the group. Let me recommend the Emotional Freedom Technique (EFT). It works by tapping acupressure points throughout the body and is great for relieving pain. Below is the link: http://www.emofree. com/ oleander soup, "awisteria" <Awisteria@.. .> wrote:>> Hi, I'm not too sure if I have introduced myself as of yet. I am 50, married, live in ga, have mixed house of 6 grown children and 5 grandchildren. I also have breast cancer that has mutated itself to my peritenel lining and plurea lining. To top off that pizza, I am highly sensitive to all narcotics... .any opiates what so ever!> > Does anyone here share the sensitivity to opiates? And if so, how do you manage pain?> > Thank you,> Anita in GA> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 23, 2009 Report Share Posted August 23, 2009 Daddybob told me that when he takes his homemade oleander soup it seems to temporarily numb his pain...Of course that cold be from the high w=quality vodca he uses as a preservative.LOL. But seriously have others experienced the reduction of pain and burst of stamina that daddybob told me about? Laura Wilkins Join Granny Warrior in a freedom loving intentional community for safety in troubled times. http://www.freedomisnotdead.org/freedom.htm use me as the referal to save $100 on a campsite or $500 on an acre http://www.chews4health.com/LauraWilkins http://www.simplexityhealth.com/ distributor#2005722 --- On Sun, 8/23/09, cyndiann <cyndiann9 wrote: cyndiann <cyndiann9Re: Pain managementoleander soup Date: Sunday, August 23, 2009, 11:43 AM awisteria wrote:> > > Hi, I'm not too sure if I have introduced myself as of yet. I am 50, > married, live in ga, have mixed house of 6 grown children and 5 > grandchildren. I also have breast cancer that has mutated itself to my > peritenel lining and plurea lining. To top off that pizza, I am highly > sensitive to all narcotics... .any opiates what so ever!> > Does anyone here share the sensitivity to opiates? And if so, how do you > manage pain?> > Thank you,> Anita in GA> I don't have a problem with opiates but I do have neurological pain that opiates don't work on. I've been using deep tissue massage on my nerve paths, which may be similar to what suggests and I've gotten amazing results with it. In my case the pain is from my spine, injured in two different places and the damage in my neck has caused pain and numbness down my arms and into my hands which is worse at night.She has relieved many kinds of pain I've dealt with and I'd bet it could help you. I was able to reduce my pain meds by about half and refused Lyrica altogether, scared of possible side effects.Another thought is NSAIDS. I've found them to be better at relieving pain than opiates in some situations.Cyndi Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 24, 2009 Report Share Posted August 24, 2009 Thank you , I will look into this very seriously. My daughter is a chiropractor so she helps tremendously but even suppliments and adjustments can only go so far. Thank you again, Anita oleander soup , " luellamay129 " <luellamay129 wrote: > > > Hi Anita, > > Welcome to the group. > > Let me recommend the Emotional Freedom Technique (EFT). It works by > tapping acupressure points throughout the body and is great for > relieving pain. Below is the link: > > > http://www.emofree.com/ <http://www.emofree.com/> > > > > oleander soup , " awisteria " <Awisteria@> wrote: > > > > Hi, I'm not too sure if I have introduced myself as of yet. I am 50, > married, live in ga, have mixed house of 6 grown children and 5 > grandchildren. I also have breast cancer that has mutated itself to my > peritenel lining and plurea lining. To top off that pizza, I am highly > sensitive to all narcotics....any opiates what so ever! > > > > Does anyone here share the sensitivity to opiates? And if so, how do > you manage pain? > > > > Thank you, > > Anita in GA > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 24, 2009 Report Share Posted August 24, 2009 Hi Cindi, I will check into this my son-in-law has mentioned it before. I take ibuprofen, but my stomach is getting weaker and weaker. Anything that suggests massage can't be bad can it? lol Anita > > > > I don't have a problem with opiates but I do have neurological pain that > opiates don't work on. I've been using deep tissue massage on my nerve > paths, which may be similar to what suggests and I've gotten > amazing results with it. In my case the pain is from my spine, injured > in two different places and the damage in my neck has caused pain and > numbness down my arms and into my hands which is worse at night. > > She has relieved many kinds of pain I've dealt with and I'd bet it could > help you. I was able to reduce my pain meds by about half and refused > Lyrica altogether, scared of possible side effects. > > Another thought is NSAIDS. I've found them to be better at relieving > pain than opiates in some situations. > > Cyndi > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 24, 2009 Report Share Posted August 24, 2009 Try EFT Anita. Download the free manual and read it through. I will say that EFT does demand practice, but you will get the hang of it shortly. If you need any pointers, please feel free to email me. oleander soup , "awisteria" <Awisteria wrote:>> Thank you , I will look into this very seriously.> > My daughter is a chiropractor so she helps tremendously but even suppliments and adjustments can only go so far.> > Thank you again,> Anita Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 24, 2009 Report Share Posted August 24, 2009 Hi Robyn, Were you replying to me? Linings? oleander soup , robyn howell <robynehowell wrote:>> Where are these linings you are talking about?> Thanks, Robyn> > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 24, 2009 Report Share Posted August 24, 2009 Have you considered trying MSM for the pain? I've discovered that it has an analgesic effect in doses larger than those recommended for daily nutritional supplementation. I get the best pain relief at 8-12 grams per day. Then if I have 'break-thru' pain, just one or two at the time I'm hurting usually does the trick. I worked up to the 8-12 grams per day gradually. If you're interested and don't already have the info on MSM, I'll be glad to send what I have off list. I discovered the analgesic effectrs of MSM while recovering from mastectomy, most notably when I was having those electrified 'shooting' pain that seems to indicate nerve healing. So, perhaps this would be helpful for you, too. D'Ann oleander soup , " awisteria " <Awisteria wrote: > > Hi Cindi, > > I will check into this my son-in-law has mentioned it before. I take ibuprofen, but my stomach is getting weaker and weaker. Anything that suggests massage can't be bad can it? lol > > Anita > > > > > > > I don't have a problem with opiates but I do have neurological pain that > > opiates don't work on. I've been using deep tissue massage on my nerve > > paths, which may be similar to what suggests and I've gotten > > amazing results with it. In my case the pain is from my spine, injured > > in two different places and the damage in my neck has caused pain and > > numbness down my arms and into my hands which is worse at night. > > > > She has relieved many kinds of pain I've dealt with and I'd bet it could > > help you. I was able to reduce my pain meds by about half and refused > > Lyrica altogether, scared of possible side effects. > > > > Another thought is NSAIDS. I've found them to be better at relieving > > pain than opiates in some situations. > > > > Cyndi > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 24, 2009 Report Share Posted August 24, 2009 You might want to try white willow bark. It is natural aspirin. Not synthetic. Get it from www.liquidherbs.net Get the largest bottle and take 1 T. every 15-20 minutes until the pain subsides. Many cancer patients say that Laetrile helps tremendously with pain. http://www.apricotpower.com/store/default.asp?refer=gadlaetrile This is a good source as they also have vials for injection. (I would suggest using the injectable only under the watchful eye of a knowledgeable practitioner.) Some on the FO/CC list use flaxseed enemas. You may also want to check into the Budwig Diet Protocol. Because Flax Seed is a great anti-inflammatory people usually experience good pain relief just be being on the Budwig diet. Plus it is one of the best diets for cancer. You can find the Budwig Diet protocol at: http://www.oasisadvancedwellness.com/health-articles/2009/02/the-health-promoting-benefits-of-flax-seed-oil.html As stated, EFT is also a good choice. However, when someone is in pain it is a good idea to find a practitioner to help you, in the beginning. This has worked wonders for many people. It is also very good for stress and negative emotions such as anger, resentment, past hurts, etc. Negative emotions and stress can also cause pain. Curcumin can also help with inflammation. Be sure to get Curcumin 95% 500 mg. (Turmeric Root Extract) This has no fillers, binders, etc. Systemic Enzymes are another good choice for pain relief. Essiac Tea – Some people get pain relief from a good Essiac Tea. Use a 4 herb formula. Buy from a reliable source (usually not a health food store unless they are offering wild-crafted or organic herb packages) and drink the tea several times daily. FIR – Far-Infra-Red may also help with pain. Boswellia – Make sure it is Boswellia Serrata and wildcrafted. Transdermal Magnesium – Ancient Minerals is a good choice. (Tony & offer this at their site.) DMSO can help with pain relief. Do your research about DMSO. We get ours from DMSO Marketing, Ghent, KY. 1-800-367-6935 or 1-502-347-5767. You can take it orally (must be placed in at least 6-ounces of distilled water) or apply it topically. I would suggest putting 25 drops of DMSO into an 8-ounce glass of ozonated distilled water and slam it down. Drink 5-6 glasses daily. I did this when I was fighting colon cancer and I believe it was a very integral part of the healing process. Also, make sure you are drinking pure and clean water and that you are drinking a lot of it every day. Water actually bathes the cells and so many people are dehydrated and don’t even know it. Dehydration can cause pain. If you suffer from constipation (should be having 2-3 bowel movements daily) then consider keeping the bowel clean and moving with Pure Vegan Mag O7 (Tony & offer this at their site). Make sure your liver is clean and supported. This is where toxins are filtered out of the body. An overload of toxins can cause or add to pain and inflammation. Liver cleansing is important and I would suggest doing at least 3-4 cleanses back-to-back with 10-14 days in between each cleanse. One cleanse will not make up for years of toxins. It’s great that you are getting chiropractic care!! This is especially important for those with cancer. Be Well Dr.L Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 24, 2009 Report Share Posted August 24, 2009 robyn howell <robynehowelloleander soup Sent: Sunday, August 23, 2009 10:26:44 AMRe: Re: Pain management Where are these linings you are talking about? I think I may be getting some cancer by my breast bone. Thanks, Robynluellamay129 <luellamay129@ >oleander soupSaturday, August 22, 2009 9:41:26 PM Re: Pain management Hi Anita, Welcome to the group. Let me recommend the Emotional Freedom Technique (EFT). It works by tapping acupressure points throughout the body and is great for relieving pain. Below is the link: http://www.emofree. com/ oleander soup, "awisteria" <Awisteria@.. .> wrote:>> Hi, I'm not too sure if I have introduced myself as of yet. I am 50, married, live in ga, have mixed house of 6 grown children and 5 grandchildren. I also have breast cancer that has mutated itself to my peritenel lining and plurea lining. To top off that pizza, I am highly sensitive to all narcotics... .any opiates what so ever!> > Does anyone here share the sensitivity to opiates? And if so, how do you manage pain?> > Thank you,> Anita in GA> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 24, 2009 Report Share Posted August 24, 2009 The lady said her cancer had spread to plurea lining and peritenal lining. What and where are these linings? I have breast cancer and I am filling a little presure and pain under my breastbone. I wonder what it is.Thanks, Robynluellamay129 <luellamay129oleander soup Sent: Sunday, August 23, 2009 7:45:08 PM Re: Pain management Hi Robyn, Were you replying to me? Linings? oleander soup, robyn howell <robynehowell@ ...> wrote:>> Where are these linings you are talking about?> Thanks, Robyn> > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 24, 2009 Report Share Posted August 24, 2009 Pleura—a two-ply membrane that both encloses the lung and lines the chest cavity. People have two pleurae, one around each lung. Peritoneum—a membrane that surrounds the abdominal organs. Hope this helps. Try googling them for more details. Ruth oleander soup oleander soup On Behalf Of robyn howell Sunday, August 23, 2009 11:12 PM oleander soup Re: Re: Pain management The lady said her cancer had spread to plurea lining and peritenal lining. What and where are these linings? I have breast cancer and I am filling a little presure and pain under my breastbone. I wonder what it is. Thanks, Robyn luellamay129 <luellamay129 oleander soup Sunday, August 23, 2009 7:45:08 PM Re: Pain management Hi Robyn, Were you replying to me? Linings? oleander soup, robyn howell <robynehowell@ ....> wrote: > > Where are these linings you are talking about? > Thanks, Robyn > > No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.409 / Virus Database: 270.13.64/2320 - Release 08/23/09 18:03:00 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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