where to get protein following anti-cancer protocol?/What to eat in general??

August 18, 2009

Yes that's what I've been wondering too, What do you eat, besides

veggies, nuts?

Soy and dairy are out of the question for me also.

I've been at a serious loss for making anything that resembles a

satisfying meal,

to me it's more like snack foods, nothing warm or really enjoyable.

Although I find myself more concerned about all the sugars in fruits

long before considering

starches such as rice or grains a concern with sugar. Am I that

terribly wrong here??

And make smoothies out of what? fruits are packed with sugar, yogurts

out for me, so what's left?

Anymore I feel like I don't know how to make a meal, it's very discouraging.

Any ideas???

Rachel

johncover234 wrote:

> >From what I've read the protocol advises against eating any animal protein.

Where then does one get protein? (I've had issues with a lot of commercial soy

products out there btw.)

>

> Also, wouldn't starches such as rice or bread be discouraged, as they convert

to sugar?

>

> Any dietary guidelines from anyone on the program would be appreciated. Just

wonder what most of you eat in general actually. Thanks.

>

August 18, 2009

I think you gave a misunderstanding about sugar: refined sugars are a

different animal from natural sugars in fruit. Fruit is a great

detoxifier, when eaten on an empty stomach. refined sugars have all

the nutrition bleached out and are a toxic product and very acidic.

I'm sure someone will correct me if I am wrong as relates to the

cancer protocol :-)

As to starches, it is much the same. Products made of white flour have

no nutrition and the carbs turn strait to sugar inside your body

shortly after being eaten. But slow carbs are much different. Whole

wheat breads and pastas are full of fiber and protein to feed your

body, and not nearly the carbs found in white bread or plain pasta.

If I am wrong about any of this, please say so as I am learning daily.

I guess we all do.

Perhaps a recipe book that focuses on raw foods would help you?

Daniel

On Aug 17, 2009, at 4:03 PM, Lady Pilgrim <Ladypilgrim

wrote:

> Yes that's what I've been wondering too, What do you eat, besides

> veggies, nuts?

> Soy and dairy are out of the question for me also.

> I've been at a serious loss for making anything that resembles a

> satisfying meal,

> to me it's more like snack foods, nothing warm or really enjoyable.

>

> Although I find myself more concerned about all the sugars in fruits

> long before considering

> starches such as rice or grains a concern with sugar. Am I that

> terribly wrong here??

>

> And make smoothies out of what? fruits are packed with sugar, yogurts

> out for me, so what's left?

> Anymore I feel like I don't know how to make a meal, it's very

> discouraging.

>

> Any ideas???

>

> Rachel

>

> johncover234 wrote:

>>> From what I've read the protocol advises against eating any animal

>>> protein. Where then does one get protein? (I've had issues with a

>>> lot of commercial soy products out there btw.)

>>

>> Also, wouldn't starches such as rice or bread be discouraged, as

>> they convert to sugar?

>>

>> Any dietary guidelines from anyone on the program would be

>> appreciated. Just wonder what most of you eat in general actually.

>> Thanks.

>>

>

> ---

>

August 18, 2009

However, when purchasing a product, always read the ingredients. For example, just because a package says its whole wheat doesn't mean its so. You want to make sure that it is indeed whole wheat, unbleached and that it does not say "enriched." If it says "enriched" it's useless.

oleander soup , Daniel Martin <danielnv.martin wrote:>> I think you gave a misunderstanding about sugar: refined sugars are a > different animal from natural sugars in fruit. Fruit is a great > detoxifier, when eaten on an empty stomach. refined sugars have all > the nutrition bleached out and are a toxic product and very acidic. > I'm sure someone will correct me if I am wrong as relates to the > cancer protocol :-)> > As to starches, it is much the same. Products made of white flour have > no nutrition and the carbs turn strait to sugar inside your body > shortly after being eaten. But slow carbs are much different. Whole > wheat breads and pastas are full of fiber and protein to feed your > body, and not nearly the carbs found in white bread or plain pasta.> > If I am wrong about any of this, please say so as I am learning daily. > I guess we all do.> > Perhaps a recipe book that focuses on raw foods would help you?> > Daniel>

August 18, 2009

Daniel -

You are correct about refined sugar and whole wheat breads and pastas being superior to refined sugar and bleached white flour bread products. However, cancer is not selective in the kinds of sugar it feeds on and so, while I am a big fan of healthy fruits, I also believe that one should consume considerably more vegetables than fruits every day and aim for the fruits that have the most anti-cancer qualities - such as dark grapes, blueberries, raspberries and pomegranates (easiest to consume as 100% pomegranate juice). I also like apples for their fiber and pectin content.

Items that call themselves whole wheat often still contain a considerable amount of bleached wheat flour and likewise often contain a considerable amount of either sugar or high fructose corn syrup - always check the ingredients label closely. And there is also the consideration that a number of people have gluten intolerance. Kasha, quinoa, millet, and spelt are much preferable.

Fermented soy products such as miso, tempeh and natto are good sources of protein and cancer figghting compounds. The trick is staying away from ALL non-fermented soy products and finding organic fermented products that come from soy that is not genetically modified. Corn, soy and canola are the three crops that have the highest percentage of GMO - and none of them are recommended. In fact, high fructose corn syrup, non-fermented soy and canola oil are downright evil in the opinion of myself and many others. And their industry is so huge and pervasive that they are found in just about everything. Read the fine print and just try to find a butter/margarine substitute or virtually any salad dressing that does not contain soy, canola or both! It is about as easy as finding a toothpaste or mouthwash product that does not contain fluoride.

Dairy is a pretty tricky subject. Many alternative cancer treatment advocates advise to stay clear of dairy products for the most part and there is always the issue of dairy that comes from cows that have had antibiotics and growth hormones. Personally I think that raw organic goat's milk is extremely healthy and if one could find a good source of yogurt made from organic goat's milk I think it would be an excellent substitute for the cottage cheese or cow's milk yogurt normally used with the ground flaxseed in the Budwig protocol.

A good diet book would be an excellent idea. If you find one, let me know. I have the very large American Institute of Cancer Research's book (supposedly an organiation that is free from mainstream influence) and get their recipe of the week via email. More often than not I find myself modifying their recipes due to their inclusion of sugar, soy and canola. I have written them protest notes many times and never received an answer - other than a response saying that my message would be forwarded to the appropriate party. They also parrot the mainstream line of utter bullcrap that

"Some supplements or high-dose nutrients are associated with higher risk of developing cancer. Stick to a healthy diet instead and don't bank on dietary supplements as the magic pills in preventing cancer"

Draw your own conclusions. I know what mine are. You can take this to the bank: 90-95% of us are deficient in magnesium, an absolute essential for optimum health and without which calcium is not properly absorbed and utilized. Most of us are also deficient in other essential minerals and vitamins and virtually all of us are deficient in the oft-overlooked but vital trace minerals thanks to our mineral depleted and over-farmed soils which have had only petro-chemical nutrients added back in for lush growth and the applications of herbicides and pesticides which not only poison us, but also prevent the invaluable soil micro-organism from properly converting what minerals do remain, and the food on our grocers shelves which has had the nutrients processed out and harmful additives for shelf life, taste, color and texture processed in, not to mention all the junk foods, fast foods and microwaved meals and you find that it is virtually impossible to consume even the RDA of essential vitamins and minerals daily, much less the optimum daily amount.

A healthy diet, just like a healthy lifestyle, is the foundation upon which to build a health body and immune system - and especially a cancer and disease fighting body and immune system. Suppleentation to provide all the nutrients we need as well as specific immune boosters, anti-oxidants and cancer fighters is a must for even those who eat the healthiest of diets and live the healthiest of lifestyles.

One of the things I do, in addition to plentiful selected supplemention, is to take my good quality Oster blender and make vegetable blends along with fruit blends, retaining all the fiber and using seeds, skins, and rinds, to which I add a couple of scoops of a privately made Schulze superfood and commercial superfood blend. To help put some pounds back on 's depleted frame, I also include a raw organic brown egg from time to time and sometimes some good organic honey and/or blackstrap molasses.

OK, off my soapbox. For now . . .

All the best,

..oleander soup , Daniel Martin <danielnv.martin wrote:>> I think you gave a misunderstanding about sugar: refined sugars are a > different animal from natural sugars in fruit. Fruit is a great > detoxifier, when eaten on an empty stomach. refined sugars have all > the nutrition bleached out and are a toxic product and very acidic. > I'm sure someone will correct me if I am wrong as relates to the > cancer protocol :-)> > As to starches, it is much the same. Products made of white flour have > no nutrition and the carbs turn strait to sugar inside your body > shortly after being eaten. But slow carbs are much different. Whole > wheat breads and pastas are full of fiber and protein to feed your > body, and not nearly the carbs found in white bread or plain pasta.> > If I am wrong about any of this, please say so as I am learning daily. > I guess we all do.> > Perhaps a recipe book that focuses on raw foods would help you?> > Daniel> > > On Aug 17, 2009, at 4:03 PM, Lady Pilgrim Ladypilgrim > wrote:> > > Yes that's what I've been wondering too, What do you eat, besides> > veggies, nuts?> > Soy and dairy are out of the question for me also.> > I've been at a serious loss for making anything that resembles a> > satisfying meal,> > to me it's more like snack foods, nothing warm or really enjoyable.> >> > Although I find myself more concerned about all the sugars in fruits> > long before considering> > starches such as rice or grains a concern with sugar. Am I that> > terribly wrong here??> >> > And make smoothies out of what? fruits are packed with sugar, yogurts> > out for me, so what's left?> > Anymore I feel like I don't know how to make a meal, it's very > > discouraging.> >> > Any ideas???> >> > Rachel> >> >> >> >> > johncover234 wrote:> >>> From what I've read the protocol advises against eating any animal > >>> protein. Where then does one get protein? (I've had issues with a > >>> lot of commercial soy products out there btw.)> >>> >> Also, wouldn't starches such as rice or bread be discouraged, as > >> they convert to sugar?> >>> >> Any dietary guidelines from anyone on the program would be > >> appreciated. Just wonder what most of you eat in general actually. > >> Thanks.> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >> >> > ---> >> >

August 18, 2009

Hi,

My name is Batya, I am new to this group, and I can see that I have

a lot to learn.

Does anyone know anything about Flor-Essence tea?

It was recommended to me and I wonder if it is worthwhile.

Thank you for any help you can give.

Batya

oleander soup oleander soup On Behalf

Of Tuesday, August 18, 2009 1:35 PM

oleander soup

Re: where to get protein following anti-cancer

protocol?/What to eat in general??

Daniel -

You are correct

about refined sugar and whole wheat breads and pastas being superior to refined

sugar and bleached white flour bread products. However, cancer is not

selective in the kinds of sugar it feeds on and so, while I am a big fan of

healthy fruits, I also believe that one should consume

considerably more vegetables than fruits every day and aim for the fruits

that have the most anti-cancer qualities - such as dark grapes, blueberries,

raspberries and pomegranates (easiest to consume as 100% pomegranate

juice). I also like apples for their fiber and pectin content.

Items that call

themselves whole wheat often still contain a considerable amount of bleached

wheat flour and likewise often contain a considerable amount of either sugar or

high fructose corn syrup - always check the ingredients label

closely. And there is also the consideration that a number of

people have gluten intolerance. Kasha, quinoa, millet, and spelt are much

preferable.

Fermented soy

products such as miso, tempeh and natto are good sources of protein and cancer

figghting compounds. The trick is staying away from ALL non-fermented soy

products and finding organic fermented products that come from soy that is not

genetically modified. Corn, soy and canola are the three crops that have

the highest percentage of GMO - and none of them are recommended. In

fact, high fructose corn syrup, non-fermented soy and canola oil are downright

evil in the opinion of myself and many others. And their industry is so

huge and pervasive that they are found in just about everything. Read the

fine print and just try to find a butter/margarine substitute or virtually any

salad dressing that does not contain soy, canola or both! It is about as

easy as finding a toothpaste or mouthwash product that does not contain

fluoride.

Dairy is a pretty

tricky subject. Many alternative cancer treatment advocates advise to stay

clear of dairy products for the most part and there is always the issue of

dairy that comes from cows that have had antibiotics and growth hormones.

Personally I think that raw organic goat's milk is extremely healthy and if one

could find a good source of yogurt made from organic goat's milk I think it

would be an excellent substitute for the cottage cheese or cow's milk yogurt

normally used with the ground flaxseed in the Budwig protocol.

A good diet book

would be an excellent idea. If you find one, let me know. I have

the very large American Institute of Cancer Research's book (supposedly an

organiation that is free from mainstream influence) and get their recipe of the

week via email. More often than not I find myself modifying their recipes

due to their inclusion of sugar, soy and canola. I have written

them protest notes many times and never received an answer - other than a

response saying that my message would be forwarded to the appropriate

party. They also parrot the mainstream line of utter bullcrap that

" Some

supplements or high-dose nutrients are associated with higher risk of developing

cancer. Stick to a healthy diet instead and don't bank on dietary supplements

as the magic pills in preventing cancer "

Draw your own

conclusions. I know what mine are. You can take this to the

bank: 90-95% of us are deficient in magnesium, an absolute essential for

optimum health and without which calcium is not properly absorbed and

utilized. Most of us are also deficient in other essential minerals and

vitamins and virtually all of us are deficient in the oft-overlooked but vital

trace minerals thanks to our mineral depleted and over-farmed soils which have

had only petro-chemical nutrients added back in for lush growth and the

applications of herbicides and pesticides which not only poison us, but also

prevent the invaluable soil micro-organism from properly converting what

minerals do remain, and the food on our grocers shelves which has had the

nutrients processed out and harmful additives for shelf life, taste, color and

texture processed in, not to mention all the junk foods, fast foods and

microwaved meals and you find that it is virtually impossible to consume even

the RDA of essential vitamins and minerals daily, much less the optimum daily

amount.

A healthy diet, just

like a healthy lifestyle, is the foundation upon which to build a health body

and immune system - and especially a cancer and disease fighting body and

immune system. Suppleentation to provide all the nutrients we need as

well as specific immune boosters, anti-oxidants and cancer fighters is a must

for even those who eat the healthiest of diets and live the healthiest of

lifestyles.

One of the things I

do, in addition to plentiful selected supplemention, is to take my good quality

Oster blender and make vegetable blends along with fruit blends, retaining all

the fiber and using seeds, skins, and rinds, to which I add a couple of scoops

of a privately made Schulze superfood and commercial superfood blend. To

help put some pounds back on 's depleted frame, I also include a raw

organic brown egg from time to time and sometimes some good organic honey

and/or blackstrap molasses.

OK, off my

soapbox. For now . . .

All the best,

..

oleander soup , Daniel Martin <danielnv.martin

wrote:

>

> I think you gave a misunderstanding about sugar: refined sugars are a

> different animal from natural sugars in fruit. Fruit is a great

> detoxifier, when eaten on an empty stomach. refined sugars have all

> the nutrition bleached out and are a toxic product and very acidic.

> I'm sure someone will correct me if I am wrong as relates to the

> cancer protocol :-)

>

> As to starches, it is much the same. Products made of white flour have

> no nutrition and the carbs turn strait to sugar inside your body

> shortly after being eaten. But slow carbs are much different. Whole

> wheat breads and pastas are full of fiber and protein to feed your

> body, and not nearly the carbs found in white bread or plain pasta.

>

> If I am wrong about any of this, please say so as I am learning daily.

> I guess we all do.

>

> Perhaps a recipe book that focuses on raw foods would help you?

>

> Daniel

>

> On Aug 17, 2009, at 4:03 PM, Lady Pilgrim Ladypilgrim

> wrote:

>

> > Yes that's what I've been wondering too, What do you eat, besides

> > veggies, nuts?

> > Soy and dairy are out of the question for me also.

> > I've been at a serious loss for making anything that resembles a

> > satisfying meal,

> > to me it's more like snack foods, nothing warm or really enjoyable.

> >

> > Although I find myself more concerned about all the sugars in fruits

> > long before considering

> > starches such as rice or grains a concern with sugar. Am I that

> > terribly wrong here??

> >

> > And make smoothies out of what? fruits are packed with sugar, yogurts

> > out for me, so what's left?

> > Anymore I feel like I don't know how to make a meal, it's very

> > discouraging.

> >

> > Any ideas???

> >

> > Rachel

> >

> > johncover234 wrote:

> >>> From what I've read the protocol advises against eating any

animal

> >>> protein. Where then does one get protein? (I've had issues

with a

> >>> lot of commercial soy products out there btw.)

> >>

> >> Also, wouldn't starches such as rice or bread be discouraged, as

> >> they convert to sugar?

> >>

> >> Any dietary guidelines from anyone on the program would be

> >> appreciated. Just wonder what most of you eat in general

actually.

> >> Thanks.

> >>

> >

> > ---

> >

August 18, 2009

Hello,

I have mostly stopped buying juices since they are all at least flash

pasteurized now, and I have read that all the vitamins are destroyed

when heated. I don't know for sure if there is a major difference

between flash pasteurized and just pasteurized--perhaps the heat is

not sufficient to have the same effect in the flash pasteurized. I

would love to hear any insight on this, as I did love the Naked juices

when they were raw.

Also I have read that all produce is radiated at the state border, so

we should buy produce from our own state whenever possible. Certainly

not easy to do, especially in Las Vegas, but perhaps others will have

an easier time of it. It really seems that the only way to have safe,

healthy food is to grow it all ourselves!

Daniel

On 8/18/09, Tony wrote:

>

> so, while I am a big fan of healthy fruits, I also believe that one

> should consume considerably more vegetables than fruits every day and

> aim for the fruits that have the most anti-cancer qualities - such as

> dark grapes, blueberries, raspberries and pomegranates (easiest to

> consume as 100% pomegranate juice). I also like apples for their fiber

> and pectin content.

August 18, 2009

I have used Essiac Tea for quite a few years... My experience has been the tea brewed from scratch (from the raw herbs themselves) has a higher viability than the processed over the counter types.....

Del