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Terri,

 

I know there is a place in Boulder, CO called Alfalfa's, but I'm not familiar w/Denver. Have a great trip.

 

Debra

 

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Wednesday, April 05, 2006 12:50 PM

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Hi all,I am in the beginning planning stage for a trip in October. We will be going to Copper Mountain, CO but will be spending a night in Denver first. We are staying at a place with a kitchen, which is wonderful since I don't like most restaurant food anymore. I will have a little time in Denver, and I'd like to buy organic food supplies to take to Copper Mountain. Does anyone know of a good health/food store, or a store that sells organic produce? Also, does anyone know of any restaurants in that area that serves real food, made on premises from (wishful thinking?) organic foods?Terri

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Terri, I found a website that lists Denver area vegetarian restaurants

& vegan restaurants, and natural food stores at:

http://www.vegetarian-restaurants.net/usa/ColDenver.htm

There is, however, a second Whole Foods (they only list one)at:

303/488-2000

7400 E. Hampden Ave.

Hampden Ave & Tamarac in Denver

Store Hours: 8 a.m. to 10 p.m. seven days a week.

I'm not sure which one is closer to you. The reason I would suggest

Whole Foods is because they have those box lunches which are so nice

if you're out siteseeing. Hope you have a great trip! Darby

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I just read Tony's book (purchased on the web). I may have read it quickly as I was reading a previous letter which said the oleander can not be used with warfin. Is this correct as I am on warfin?

 

Thanks.Clorice D. Thomas-Haysbert80 N. Fairfield DrDover, Delaware 19901302-697-0212

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Clorice -

Thanks for pointing that out to me. I need to revise that portion of the book to say that anyone using wayfarin/coumodin or similar blood thinners or any other products containing cardiac glycosides should exercise caution if they decide to use an extract of oleander since oleander contains numerous cardiac glycosides (primary of which is oleandrin) which cross-essay with digoxin/digitalis.

HOWEVER, though cardiac glycosides in any product, herb or substance are contraindicated in general for use with other cardiac glycosides, the amount of cardiac glycosides in oleander are very, very small because those cardiac glycoside compounds are non-polar compounds - meaning that they are not water soluable - and an aqueous extract of oleander according to the directions for making oleander soup and the manufacturing process by which the herbal supplement Sutherlandia OPC is made only obtains about 1/40th of the amount of cardiac glycosides found in an average dose of digoxin/digitalis per dose/capsule.

For this reason, people who are on significant doses of wayfarin or similar drugs may want to start with a very small amount and work their way up slowly and possibly even cut back slightly, if so agreed by a medical professional (preferably a naturopathic one), on their other medications.

When I first wrote my book I did not realize just how little cardiac glycoside content ended up in oleander extract. The tiny amount was later confirmed to me by both the people at Phoenix Biotech (who made the patented oleander medicine Anvirzel) and Marc Swanepoel, and that explains several important points. One is the misconception that oleander's primary action against cancer is due to the cardiac glycosides, especially oleandrin. I think that such was initially believed to be the case because other cardiac glycosides, including digoxin/digitalis, had demonstrated some anti-cancer activities in other studies. Another point would be that such would explain why an ethanol extraction of oleander, which obtained significantly more oleandrin and other cardiac glycosides, but lost key polar compounds which precipitated out during the extraction process, was found to be vastly inferior to the aqueous oleander extract. And a third point would be that the low cardiac glycoside of aqueous oleander extract would explain why FDA phase I toxicity trials for the patented medicine Anvirzel were halted NOT because they reached a limiting toxic level but instead because they reached a level where the amount of Anvirzel injected became too large to be practical.

Since oleander is a very toxic plant in raw form, I naturally chose to err on the side of caution. In the intervening years, however, literally thousands of people have used it and there has not been one single verified instance of a death or even life threatening side effect in the instance of properly made and administered oleander extract and many people who have used heart thinners have successfully used oleander. One should nevertheless exercise caution, I believe, and watch for any continued irregular heartbeat or quickened pulse rate that continues for any length of time.

And of course, as it states in our group description here, all the information we give should be considered merely information and opinion. We are not medical professionals in the eyes of the powers that be who arbitrarily make such designations and thus are not considered in the eyes of the powers that be to be qualified to treat or diagnose any health condition.

We do however have many very good opinions about things which people may decide to utilize to help their health and longevity.

All the best,

oleander soup , Clorice ThomasHaysbert <cdt_haysber wrote:>> I just read Tony's book (purchased on the web). I may have read it quickly as I was reading a previous letter which said the oleander can not be used with warfin. Is this correct as I am on warfin?> > Thanks.> > Clorice D. Thomas-Haysbert> 80 N. Fairfield Dr> Dover, Delaware 19901> 302-697-0212>