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Good morning list,

 

I was very intrigued with this post but would like to know the author

and source please?

 

tannis z TN

 

pjb12345uk wrote:

 

Chapter 1 Challenging One of the first isues to understand when we are looking at health

care systems is posed here as questions for answering it will reveal

a lot about our very own health care systems and how they have

evolved and what are the implications to us of this evolvement are and

our important personnel health. These are the questions.

"why is your doctor recomending a particular healing route to you and

not other healing routes? . .Why is he telling you about certain

therapies and not mentioning others?.

But before we get answering these questions a point that is to be

made very clear here this is just not me saying this but also

thousands of doctors, therapists all over the world who are moving to

a more holistic kind of approach in dealing with illness and many are

only to aware of the health care systems which are in place now and

how they evolved. . And as you will know and see there are some really

big limitations which these principles will uncover. As I see it these

principles are irrefutable until the day comes where research is done

in an objective way funded by a party with no interests but one and

that is for the good of the patient with results published good, bad,

or indifferent.Now lets back to dealing with answering those questions

There are a few very important points that I would like to cover on

the subject of drugs and research and treatment. At present the system

in England and in many countries is this.

Point 1

All treatment recommended by the health care people should be tested

and approved and quite rightly so. I am sure we would all want that.

Point 2 Obviously it costs vast sums of money to test and approve treatments

because of the possible damage to people and the subsequent litigation

potentially costing millions of pounds.So money has got to be found

from somewhere to get these therapies tested.

Point 3 Where does this money come from to test and approve treatments? Does

your government fund much research into health care? what is its

agenda?- in england the answer is a little yes but in comparison to

drug companies the sums are very small, almost insignificant.

So by far the biggest source of money going into researching new

therapies is from the drug companies.Because the general public has

not put enough pressure upon government to do research and because

their is an unwillgness from governments to put money in.

Do you think drug companies are some charitable institution – in the

main they are there to make profit.What do you think the implications

of that statement means. Well as we speak there are already groups of

people begging companies to find a drug to deal with all sorts of

problems .A lot of these groups are turned down because there is not

enough of them suffering to justify the cost of research.

Also another point worth mentioning for example is this situation- a

researcher might go along to his local drug company and tell them his

findings about this treatment he has been working on which is of

outstanding value but needs testing further or approving, you might

think they would be falling over themselves to know more –right, you

could not be more wrong. By and large only treatments which show a potential for profit will

even get examined. Because they are in business to make a profit, not

for serving the people. So many of the hundreds of therapies which they see as having no

profit potential do not get approved or even looked at considered etc.

These may include osteopathy, Reiki, spiritual healing, nutrition,

EFT. Acupuncture, yoga, sound therapy, colour healing, NLP, light

therapy, psychic surgery ,earth energy, oxidation therapies ,ozone

therapies. Not to mention detoxing, colonics, enemas, crystal healing,

fume baths ,castor oil packs ,grape packs, Epsom salt packs, herbs

Massage, Spiritual healing, Knieisiology Herbs, Light therapy, Colour

therapy, Regression therapy, Osteopathy, Zappers, Magnetic devices,

Electrical Frequency devices and so on . Point 4 Your local G.P/ doctor is not a researcher, what does this mean, he is

very taxed with his time in the main perhaps seeing 20-40 people per

day. That means he may not have the time to do research, he finds it

very difficult to keep up with what is going on in the main. He is

told what to prescribe. He does not in may cases have the time or

energy often to look at research.

He may be very much frowned upon by some of his peers for

recommending anything other than the norm, some doctors of course

ignore those pressures. Many doctors have suffered from prescribing

other therapies than the norm. Many doctors in the USA for instance

have had to go to Mexico because of the work they were doing Dr hulda

clark is one example. Your doctor in the main will have had very

little training on nutrition, a huge factor in health care, very

little knowledge on the principles of elimination and the benefits of

being internally clean. I am sure ther are millions of people who

agree that nutrition is a huge factor in health care. That is not to

belittle them they simply have not had the training and background of

these two basic and vital principles.But the implications to your

health from that lack of knowledge are vast . Further I will say that

if all you are being offered is pills for depression you are being

done a disservice there are a lot of excellent therapies out there and

while your doctor may not be able to recommend them for reasons

discussed he can mention them. And this is why by and large these things do not get recommended by

your local doctor or hospital despite the fact that some of them do

have overwhelming benefits, some which have saved needless operations,

needless amputations, needless pain and mental trauma, needless kidney

failures and much loss of life. In the year 2004 approx. 5000 Beds in the UK alone are being taken up

by people who have had a serious reactions to drugs prescibed by

doctors. The number of people who have a reaction to some of these

drugs but who were not hospitalised must run into millions. so the

implications to you from these systems can be dire indeed. Some of these people will die others will be maimed. That is fact. So Mr and Mrs Jones to answer the question posed this is why are you

being recommended the healing route which is being offered to you .And

why you wont have heard about the better therapies out there. However

that is not to say all drugs are bad.But in terms of treating

depression i have not come across one which is effective. There are

therapies out there that are many times more powerful and suitable and

that is what i claim right here and now .

It seems more than ever to day that one has to have more discernment

and develop good techniques for looking into things. This is an

intolerable situation for ill people to be in. To ask people who are

ill to think clearly to, have discernment and have the energy to act when all they want to do in fact can do, is rest and sleep and try and

get well.These points are irrefutable because they are the basic

principles which this world in the main uses. Point 5 What we are calling for is the day to come when research and testing

is done by an agency with no vested interests attached and a clear

agenda of being objective.Printing their results good, bad or

whatever. Perhaps there will from this little book a group of people

form and act as a pressure group to force our governments to act for

the interests of the people. To fund research with researchers who are

objective. Make no mistake about it we are talking about billions of

pounds being jeopardised here or being spent in another direction and

there is a lot of people who would not like that to happen I assure you. There is clear evidence that some of these drug companies/ governments

will even go much further than just dismiss this proposed treatment

especially if it is going to affect their profits. For those who wish

to look further into these points look into these lives.

Dr Raymond rife.

John Walsh head of the Edgar cayce center in Durham England on his

stuttering problem.

Doctors Hertal and Blanc undertook research on the effects of

microwave ovens.

my experience with dealing with some Charities Personally I have been extensively involved in sharing the Edgar Cayce

information, Spiritual healing and some information on the Rife

machine over the Internet on problems like MS, Parkinsons, Galucoma,

Myasthenia gravis etc. On the issue of M.S.-thousands of groups who

had a site on the Internet were contacted including support groups,

hospitals etc. Major foundations and national societies were contacted

as well. These people have clear mission statements saying for example, for the

treatment, support and research on M.S. The response from thousands

being contacted-only a few even replied with some interest despite

numerous approaches and despite mentioning the clear evidence which

the meridian research institute was getting using the Edgar cayce

therapies.

Information from edgar Cayce research on Glaucoma was also shared,

again writing, and e mailing to many National associations and support

groups again with very little interest. National organisations were

contacted and support groups, the results only about 5% showed any

interest at all. Their reasons can only be guessed at but when people

make claims with clear mission statements for the alleviation of

suffering and don't even bother to enquire or to look into promising

information. I put it to you that these organisations- a lot of

charities are fraudulently obtaining money from the public.So those

who give to charities would do well to ensure that their hard earned

cash is being spent well and not being frittered away with very little

going towards their true cause.

The conclusions: Clearly there are people out there that would do

anything to protect their interests.

Much apathy reigns as proven by the hundreds of charities and support

groups that were contacted.

Some people can be like this that is until the day comes to people

where illness happens to them, then perhaps there is much more

interest shown.

Now of course the UK government is fully aware of this situation but

has not shown any interest in changing the system. That failure would

have a truly awesome cost attached to it of such staggering

proportions of pain, suffering, and money it would run into billions

and is virtually unquantifiable. To shine some hope on this situation.

There is a group of dedicated people Doctors, researchers etc that are

trying to bring to you much information and healing and some inroads

are being made with quite a few doctors referring some of their

patients to other therapists but these are few. One comment from a

doctor for instance when he had a patient for years and getting

nowhere in desperation he sent his patient to a Reiki healer and

within a very short time this person got better. But as he said he

dared not make this common knowledge for other doctor members in the

practice would cause problems for him personally. So you see there is

much to overcome, progress is being hampered by lack of funds,

government policy and by some of these drug companies and a great deal

of apathy.

Prince Charles said to the effect in hello magazine June 06 –imploring

doctors for an integrated approach to health care .He mentions that we

are missing the trick by not utilising therapies which have been

around for thousands of years .He mentions the detrimental effect of

food preservatives and colouring and unhealthy diets and pesticides.

He saves thousands of pounds of vet bills by utilising homeopathy on

his estates. Flaunting in the face of all those who claim that

homeopathy is a placebo effect .He has also formed the princes

foundation for integrated health care ensuring that osteopaths and

chiropractors are properly registered.

So i do hope by now you clearly see why you are being offered the

treatment you are and why you will not hear about other magnificent

therapies and i must say to you if all you are being offered is just

drugs to heal your complaint, you dear reader are being done a

massive disservice which could have dire consequences should you just

follow that recomendation.Well those points covered and they will be a

shock to many of you I am sure. We now can move on to a much more

positive approach in dealing with illness and depression specifically. ---

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[Guest guest]

can anyone give their opinions on which protocol they think is best.

i have been half following a macrobiotic/b17 diet.i have had some chemo and a

failed operation.i have an esopheagus tumour which has attached to the lining of

my heart and a main artery and part of the lung,this is why surgery wasnt

possible,although i wasnt keen anyway.

i am thinking of trying cellect and or budwig or oleander.

whichever i decide on i will probably have trouble commiting to it even though

my life could depend on it.chemo is also being talked about again so i need to

make a decision fast.

i hope this makes sense,i just want some advice or encouragement really or

just someone to talk to,thank you for listening,den.

[Guest guest]

Hi den,

The best protocol that I can suggest is A Natural Anti-Cancer Protocol . This includes, first and foremost Oleander (Sutherlandia OPC) which is over 90% effective against all types of cancer. The rest of the protocol includes other cancer fighters and supplements to strengthen your immune system which is of primary importance. It also gives you a "roadmap" on how to address lifestyle changes. All of these put together are imperative for healing.

One thing that is of utmost importance is that you commit to the protocol you choose. The road to healing takes a lot of diligence and effort. And YOU are worth it.

We are here to support you.

I wish you my best,

 

[Guest guest]

Den,

 

If you will email me at akreglow I will send you " Critical facts about

cancer pointing to effective treatment.doc "

 

The reply already posted sending you to the site named " A Natural Anti-Cancer

Protocol " seems like a good suggestion. Certainly the liver flush and getting

root canals out are both important, and you will see why if you read the doc I

am offering to send you.

 

Call me at 641-472-0262,

Alan Kreglow, Owner of CancerVictory

 

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oleander soup , " denlovefran " <den-the-men wrote:

>

> can anyone give their opinions on which protocol they think is best.

> i have been half following a macrobiotic/b17 diet.i have had some chemo and a

failed operation.i have an esopheagus tumour which has attached to the lining of

my heart and a main artery and part of the lung,this is why surgery wasnt

possible,although i wasnt keen anyway.

> i am thinking of trying cellect and or budwig or oleander.

> whichever i decide on i will probably have trouble commiting to it even

though my life could depend on it.chemo is also being talked about again so i

need to make a decision fast.

> i hope this makes sense,i just want some advice or encouragement really or

just someone to talk to,thank you for listening,den.

>

[Guest guest]

Hello,

 

I was reading about info on Colloidal Silver from the link you gave and has

heard about it quite a bit on here. It seems to do miracle for alot of people.

But I also saw Colloidal Gold too.

 

My question is what is the difference between the two?

 

I'm planning a course with these product in mind; Sutherlandia OPC, Co-Q10,

Colon Health/Cleanse(something to promote a healthy colon)

and either Colloidal Silver/Gold.

 

Do you have any suggestion? My wife is diagnose with colon cancer and possible

uterus cancer.

 

She is taking zeolite as of right now. And would any of the items I mention

above have any contracting effect to what she is taking right now. Her stomache

seems to ease of on the pain a little bit since taking the zeolite for a while

now. But what discuss me the most is that we switch Doctor and the Doctor that

did the x-ray on her colon cancer will not give the new doctor the info on her

cancer. So now she is at stage 1 again trying to find out how her colon is

doing.

 

If you can give me some suggestion or idea it would be greatly appreciated.

Thank you so much.

 

 

 

 

 

 

oleander soup , " May " <luellamay129 wrote:

>

>

> Hi den,

>

> The best protocol that I can suggest is A Natural Anti-Cancer Protocol

> </anticancer.htm> . This includes, first and

> foremost Oleander (Sutherlandia OPC) which is over 90% effective against

> all types of cancer. The rest of the protocol includes other cancer

> fighters and supplements to strengthen your immune system which is of

> primary importance. It also gives you a " roadmap " on how to address

> lifestyle changes. All of these put together are imperative for

> healing.

>

> One thing that is of utmost importance is that you commit to the

> protocol you choose. The road to healing takes a lot of diligence and

> effort. And YOU are worth it.

>

> We are here to support you.

>

> I wish you my best,

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Hi Tony,

Colloidal silver has many uses. First of all, it is "nature's antibiotic" it kills one celled organisms and pathogens even those that are becoming resistant to antibiotics. Taken daily, it will prevent infections. Some cancers have shown to have viral and/or fungal qualities, so you will find colloidal silver included in A Natural Anti-Cancer Protocol .

Colloidal Gold is beneficial for one's emotions, as it harmonizes, body, soul. and spirit. It eases depression and gives one clarity of mind. It is also very effective against arthritis.

All of the items that you mentioned are compatible and may I also suggest that she follow as much of A Natural Anti-Cancer Protocol as possible. All of it would be ideal. All the supplements and recommendations are a roadmap to building one's immune system and defeating cancer. At the very least, I would suggest that she also take Inositol/IP6, Curcumin and iodine supplementation. These are all very important when addressing cancer.

By the way, isn't it the law that all medical records be made available to you?

My very best,

 

[Guest guest]

That doctor "has" to give you her medical information! He must be trying to "Hide" something from you! Did you sign a "Release of Information" at your new doctor? I would sign the release at the new doctor, have them fax it to the old doctor, requesting "Immediate" release of records to be faxed to new doctor! The old doctor, may be lieing about the diagnosis? Nothing surprises me now a days! Blessings to you both, Elizabeth

 

kxtone <kxtoneoleander soup Sent: Tuesday, August 11, 2009 8:38:43 PM Re: which way to go

Hello,I was reading about info on Colloidal Silver from the link you gave and has heard about it quite a bit on here. It seems to do miracle for alot of people. But I also saw Colloidal Gold too. My question is what is the difference between the two?I'm planning a course with these product in mind; Sutherlandia OPC, Co-Q10, Colon Health/Cleanse( something to promote a healthy colon)and either Colloidal Silver/Gold.Do you have any suggestion? My wife is diagnose with colon cancer and possible uterus cancer.She is taking zeolite as of right now. And would any of the items I mention above have any contracting effect to what she is taking right now. Her stomache seems to ease of on the pain a little bit since taking the zeolite for a while now. But what discuss me the most is that we switch Doctor and the Doctor that did the x-ray on her colon cancer will not give the new doctor the info on her cancer. So now

she is at stage 1 again trying to find out how her colon is doing.If you can give me some suggestion or idea it would be greatly appreciated. Thank you so much.Tonyoleander soup, " May" <luellamay129@ ...> wrote:>> > Hi den,> > The best protocol that I can suggest is A Natural Anti-Cancer Protocol> <http://www.tbyil. com/anticancer. htm> . This includes, first and> foremost Oleander (Sutherlandia OPC) which is over 90% effective against> all types of cancer. The rest of the protocol includes other cancer> fighters and supplements to strengthen your immune system which is of> primary importance. It also gives you a

"roadmap" on how to address> lifestyle changes. All of these put together are imperative for> healing.> > One thing that is of utmost importance is that you commit to the> protocol you choose. The road to healing takes a lot of diligence and> effort. And YOU are worth it.> > We are here to support you.> > I wish you my best,> > >

[Guest guest]

Hi Den,Next month I will be a 1 year Liposarcoma survivor. In the first 6 months I did so many protocols to detoxify my body and make sure that my Sarcoma didn't come back that I had to go on Long-term sick leave. I did Budwig, Oleander, the Bob Beck Protocol, Liver and Gall-bladder flushing as well as 4 months of the Cesium Chloride Protocol. And lots of coffee enemas and herbal tincures to support my liver. I realize this is a lot of "stuff", however my surgeon anticipated that he would be scheduling me for more surgery before Christmas 2008 - something I wasn't even willing to contemplate. If it were me, I would do as much as you possibly can. You know your limit and no one else can define that for you. I have my family members questioning me all the time about whether I may be doing too much.

However I am an RN and I have seen more than they have and use that info to my advantage. Cellect apparently buys you time whilst Oleander begins to work. And Budwig just complements it all. I realize it is hard to stick with all of this - we all have our off days or weeks and just want it all to be normal again. Rest assured, these protocols do work. There is no doubt that chemo scares the hell out of cancer. I didn't have to make that choice because sarcomas apparently don't respond to chemo or radiation. However I do know that if I had a tumor that actually did respond to chemo (not the misleading mainstream figures), then I would have done that, too along with all these protocols.Regardless of what you end up doing, do it to the best of your ability. It will make a difference and that can be the catalyst you need to stick with the protocol/s you choose. I know for me, cancer was the

result of many lifestyle choices I made. I also had to change the language I was using in my head i.e. self-defeating language that would sabotage anything I was doing. If you can't commit 100%, do the best you can. It's not an easy journey, but I am finding it to be very worthwile.Blessings, Eva.