Guest guest Posted August 4, 2009 Report Share Posted August 4, 2009 If Tony is correct you can hand you soul to God because you life will not be worth saving, you won't want to survive from cancer or anything else. That is like saying that God has turn us over to the devil, and I don't believe that. In a message dated 8/4/2009 3:06:16 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, darrae writes: Right on Tony!!! Anyone can order "The Obama Deception" DVD by going to www.infowars.com . This is excellent to see and give the info to others. - Tony oleander soup Tuesday, August 04, 2009 9:13 AM OK, time for a rant on Obama and our health I usually try to keep politics out of this group - but since the abomination of the bill that is being called Obamacare and agriculture regulations that favor Big Pharma and Big Food are being rammed down our throats to the detriment of our health whether we like it or not, and those regulations have come largely from people Obama has appointed to office, I do have some things to say. First of all, Obama is no spiritual beingl. That is all smoke and mirrors and deception, the same as the rest of Obama and the same as his completely inexcusable refusal to reveal his original birth certificate or release his college records. Far from any savior or "being of light" as one person recently described him on another forum, he is merely a new face on the latest in a very long string of puppets that have served anything but the interests of the common citizens. Being of light? I am not sure that any beings of light have ever come out of the corrupt Chicago political organization. But perhaps he is a being of light in some respects - such as light on experience, light on integrity, light on truth, and light on his feet as he tap dances around in front of the cameras pretending to be our savior when he is is nothing more than the latest tool of the new world order elite to further their agenda. Like W. E. B. Griffith and others have tried to tell us, the two party system of Republican and Democrat is an engineered box we have been trapped into. It is just an illusion - smoke and mirrors and word games - that we have been trapped into. They have rigged the game so that it is virtually impossible for any other party or and independent candidate to have a chance, and further insured control of elections with easily manipulated Diebold voting machines (did you know that the people who run that company are ex-felons, btw?). At the top, both parties have the same masters and the same agenda- they simply approach it from different angles. And you can take this to the funny-money bank: no-one gets elected at the top of the ticket that has not been vetted and pre-approved by the Bilderburgs. If the poor dumbed down, reality show watching, filterd news consuming sheeple were not so blind, that should have been imminently apparent during Bush's last race which featured two Skull and Bones members squared off against one another, and even more apparent when we were tricked into a war of mass deception for the sake of big oil and the Halliburton profiteers as well as Bush's huge expansion of government, his presidential signings that eroded our freedoms, the rushed bail out that did nothing to free up credit or help the financial crisis, and his virtual abandonment of the conservative principles he espoused during his campaign. In the instance of Obama, it is more of the same, just as it would have been with McCain - except Obama has the pedal all the way to the floor to hasten the New World Order's plans to bring America to her knees and eliminate their greatest obstacle to a one-world government by the elite, of the elite and for the elite. I will point out that no administration has ever had the number of Council of Foreign Relations, Trilateral Commission, and Bilderburg members as Obama's. His choice for Healthcare was a Merck insider and, though he had to withdraw in scandal due to failure to pay taxes, the Obamacare bill has his signature all over it. Most of you will recognize Merck as the company that brought us Vioxx and, along with their lackeys in the FDA, fought to keep it on the market until over 60,000 deaths (more than the entire Vietnam War) were attributed to it. And then there is Avandia, Fosamax and the horrendous Gardasil vaccine jabs they bribed government officials to endorse and even make mandatory for our young school girls. Obama's choice to head up Agriculture is a Monsanto insider, and those of us who are aware of what is going on in the world recognize Monsanto as the most evil of all the giant Agri-biz companies (think GMO, antibiotics in meat and roundup ready food crops, along with a plan to control all of our seeds). Likewise, the people Obama has chosen to run the financial aspects of our government are Wallstreet insiders and some of the very same people who were in charge of the banks we had to bail out. Now, returning once again to the health issues, here is the capper (thus far anyway): The person who may be responsible for more food-related illness and death than anyone in history has just been made the US food safety czar. This is no joke.Here's the back story.When FDA scientists were asked to weigh in on what was to become the most radical and potentially dangerous change in our food supply -- the introduction of genetically modified (GM) foods -- secret documents now reveal that the experts were very concerned. Memo after memo described toxins, new diseases, nutritional deficiencies, and hard-to-detect allergens. They were adamant that the technology carried "serious health hazards," and required careful, long-term research, including human studies, before any genetically modified organisms (GMOs) could be safely released into the food supply.But the biotech industry had rigged the game so that neither Science nor scientists would stand in their way. They had placed their own man in charge of FDA policy and he wasn't going to be swayed by feeble arguments related to food safety. No, he was going to do what corporations had done for decades to get past these types of pesky concerns. He was going to lie.Dangerous Food Safety LiesWhen the FDA was constructing their GMO policy in 1991-2, their scientists were clear that gene-sliced foods were significantly different and could lead to "different risks" than conventional foods. But official policy declared the opposite, claiming that the FDA knew nothing of significant differences, and declared GMOs substantially equivalent.This fiction became the rationale for allowing GM foods on the market without any required safety studies whatsoever! The determination of whether GM foods were safe to eat was placed entirely in the hands of the companies that made them -- companies like Monsanto, which told us that the PCBs, DDT, and Agent Orange were safe.GMOs were rushed onto our plates in 1996. Over the next nine years, multiple chronic illnesses in the US nearly doubled -- from 7% to 13%. Allergy-related emergency room visits doubled between 1997 and 2002 while food allergies, especially among children, skyrocketed. We also witnessed a dramatic rise in asthma, autism, obesity, diabetes, digestive disorders, and certain cancers.In January of this year, Dr. P. M. Bhargava, one of the world's top biologists, told me that after reviewing 600 scientific journals, he concluded that the GM foods in the US are largely responsible for the increase in many serious diseases.In May, the American Academy of Environmental Medicine concluded that animal studies have demonstrated a causal relationship between GM foods and infertility, accelerated aging, dysfunctional insulin regulation, changes in major organs and the gastrointestinal system, and immune problems such as asthma, allergies, and inflammationIn July, a report by eight international experts determined that the flimsy and superficial evaluations of GMOs by both regulators and GM companies "systematically overlook the side effects" and significantly underestimate "the initial signs of diseases like cancer and diseases of the hormonal, immune, nervous and reproductive systems, among others."The Fox Guarding the ChickensIf GMOs are indeed responsible for massive sickness and death, then the individual who oversaw the FDA policy that facilitated their introduction holds a uniquely infamous role in human history. That person is Michael Taylor. He had been Monsanto's attorney before becoming policy chief at the FDA. Soon after, he became Monsanto's vice president and chief lobbyist.This month Michael Taylor became the senior advisor to the commissioner of the FDA. He is now America's food safety czar. What have we done?The Milk Man ComethWhile Taylor was at the FDA in the early 90's, he also oversaw the policy regarding Monsanto's genetically engineered bovine growth hormone (rbGH/rbST) -- injected into cows to increase milk supply.The milk from injected cows has more pus, more antibiotics, more bovine growth hormone, and most importantly, more insulin-like growth factor 1 (IGF-1). IGF-1 is a huge risk factor for common cancers and its high levels in this drugged milk is why so many medical organizations and hospitals have taken stands against rbGH. A former Monsanto scientist told me that when three of his Monsanto colleagues evaluated rbGH safety and discovered the elevated IGF-1 levels, even they refused to drink any more milk -- unless it was organic and therefore untreated.Government scientists from Canada evaluated the FDA's approval of rbGH and concluded that it was a dangerous facade. The drug was banned in Canada, as well as Europe, Japan, Australia and New Zealand. But it was approved in the US while Michael Taylor was in charge. His drugged milk might have caused a significant rise in US cancer rates. Additional published evidence also implicates rbGH in the high rate of fraternal twins in the US.Taylor also determined that milk from injected cows did not require any special labeling. And as a gift to his future employer Monsanto, he wrote a white paper suggesting that if companies ever had the audacity to label their products as not using rbGH, they should also include a disclaimer stating that according to the FDA, there is no difference between milk from treated and untreated cows.Taylor's disclaimer was also a lie. Monsanto's own studies and FDA scientists officially acknowledged differences in the drugged milk. No matter. Monsanto used Taylor's white paper as the basis to successfully sue dairies that labeled their products as rbGH-free.Will Monsanto's Wolff Also Guard the Chickens?As consumers learned that rbGH was dangerous, they refused to buy the milk. To keep their customers, a tidal wave of companies has publicly committed to not use the drug and to label their products as such. Monsanto tried unsuccessfully to convince the FDA and FTC to make it illegal for dairies to make rbGH-free claims, so they went to their special friend in Pennsylvania -- Dennis Wolff. As state secretary of agriculture, Wolff unilaterally declared that labeling products rbGH-free was illegal, and that all such labels must be removed from shelves statewide. This would, of course, eliminate the label from all national brands, as they couldn't afford to create separate packaging for just one state.Fortunately, consumer demand forced Pennsylvania's Governor Ed Rendell to step in and stop Wolff's madness. But Rendell allowed Wolff to take a compromised position that now requires rbGH-free claims to also be accompanied by Taylor's FDA disclaimer on the package.President Obama is considering Dennis Wolff for the top food safety post at the USDA. Yikes!Rumor has it that the reason why Pennsylvania's governor is supporting Wolff's appointment is to get him out of the state -- after he "screwed up so badly" with the rbGH decision. Oh great, governor. Thanks.Ohio Governor Gets Taylor-itusOhio not only followed Pennsylvania's lead by requiring Taylor's FDA disclaimer on packaging, they went a step further. They declared that dairies must place that disclaimer on the same panel where rbGH-free claims are made, and even dictated the font size. This would force national brands to re-design their labels and may ultimately dissuade them from making rbGH-free claims at all. The Organic Trade Association and the International Dairy Foods Association filed a lawsuit against Ohio. Although they lost the first court battle, upon appeal, the judge ordered a mediation session that takes place today. Thousands of Ohio citizens have flooded Governor Strickland's office with urgent requests to withdraw the states anti-consumer labeling requirements.Perhaps the governor has an ulterior motive for pushing his new rules. If he goes ahead with his labeling plans, he might end up with a top appointment in the Obama administration. The truth is ugly sometimes, but knowing it may set you free. Once upon a time I was quite the liberal Democrat, and I am certainly no Republican today. But neither am I blind as I once was and I am very much involved in the efforts to insure health freedom and to restore liberty and freedom to the sovereign citizens of the sovereign states of the federal republic of the United States of America. OK, off my soapbox. This is not an invitation to begin a political debate, as that will detract from the main purpose of this group - beating and avoiding cancer and living longer, healthier and happier lives. But it had to be said. oleander soup , rleeh2001 wrote:>> Can't you people see behind the seen, Obama is doing just exactly what he > need to do, you people need to look deeper than the surface to see what is > really going on.> This is not business as usual, that ended with George Bush, this is a > completely different chapter. > Obama is a Spiritual person, with intentions and a soul contract to bring > Heaven to Earth, the Golden Age,. . . (pardon me while I barf - Tony) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 4, 2009 Report Share Posted August 4, 2009 Right on Tony!!! Anyone can order "The Obama Deception" DVD by going to www.infowars.com . This is excellent to see and give the info to others. - Tony oleander soup Tuesday, August 04, 2009 9:13 AM OK, time for a rant on Obama and our health I usually try to keep politics out of this group - but since the abomination of the bill that is being called Obamacare and agriculture regulations that favor Big Pharma and Big Food are being rammed down our throats to the detriment of our health whether we like it or not, and those regulations have come largely from people Obama has appointed to office, I do have some things to say. First of all, Obama is no spiritual beingl. That is all smoke and mirrors and deception, the same as the rest of Obama and the same as his completely inexcusable refusal to reveal his original birth certificate or release his college records. Far from any savior or "being of light" as one person recently described him on another forum, he is merely a new face on the latest in a very long string of puppets that have served anything but the interests of the common citizens. Being of light? I am not sure that any beings of light have ever come out of the corrupt Chicago political organization. But perhaps he is a being of light in some respects - such as light on experience, light on integrity, light on truth, and light on his feet as he tap dances around in front of the cameras pretending to be our savior when he is is nothing more than the latest tool of the new world order elite to further their agenda. Like W. E. B. Griffith and others have tried to tell us, the two party system of Republican and Democrat is an engineered box we have been trapped into. It is just an illusion - smoke and mirrors and word games - that we have been trapped into. They have rigged the game so that it is virtually impossible for any other party or and independent candidate to have a chance, and further insured control of elections with easily manipulated Diebold voting machines (did you know that the people who run that company are ex-felons, btw?). At the top, both parties have the same masters and the same agenda- they simply approach it from different angles. And you can take this to the funny-money bank: no-one gets elected at the top of the ticket that has not been vetted and pre-approved by the Bilderburgs. If the poor dumbed down, reality show watching, filterd news consuming sheeple were not so blind, that should have been imminently apparent during Bush's last race which featured two Skull and Bones members squared off against one another, and even more apparent when we were tricked into a war of mass deception for the sake of big oil and the Halliburton profiteers as well as Bush's huge expansion of government, his presidential signings that eroded our freedoms, the rushed bail out that did nothing to free up credit or help the financial crisis, and his virtual abandonment of the conservative principles he espoused during his campaign. In the instance of Obama, it is more of the same, just as it would have been with McCain - except Obama has the pedal all the way to the floor to hasten the New World Order's plans to bring America to her knees and eliminate their greatest obstacle to a one-world government by the elite, of the elite and for the elite. I will point out that no administration has ever had the number of Council of Foreign Relations, Trilateral Commission, and Bilderburg members as Obama's. His choice for Healthcare was a Merck insider and, though he had to withdraw in scandal due to failure to pay taxes, the Obamacare bill has his signature all over it. Most of you will recognize Merck as the company that brought us Vioxx and, along with their lackeys in the FDA, fought to keep it on the market until over 60,000 deaths (more than the entire Vietnam War) were attributed to it. And then there is Avandia, Fosamax and the horrendous Gardasil vaccine jabs they bribed government officials to endorse and even make mandatory for our young school girls. Obama's choice to head up Agriculture is a Monsanto insider, and those of us who are aware of what is going on in the world recognize Monsanto as the most evil of all the giant Agri-biz companies (think GMO, antibiotics in meat and roundup ready food crops, along with a plan to control all of our seeds). Likewise, the people Obama has chosen to run the financial aspects of our government are Wallstreet insiders and some of the very same people who were in charge of the banks we had to bail out. Now, returning once again to the health issues, here is the capper (thus far anyway): The person who may be responsible for more food-related illness and death than anyone in history has just been made the US food safety czar. This is no joke.Here's the back story.When FDA scientists were asked to weigh in on what was to become the most radical and potentially dangerous change in our food supply -- the introduction of genetically modified (GM) foods -- secret documents now reveal that the experts were very concerned. Memo after memo described toxins, new diseases, nutritional deficiencies, and hard-to-detect allergens. They were adamant that the technology carried "serious health hazards," and required careful, long-term research, including human studies, before any genetically modified organisms (GMOs) could be safely released into the food supply.But the biotech industry had rigged the game so that neither Science nor scientists would stand in their way. They had placed their own man in charge of FDA policy and he wasn't going to be swayed by feeble arguments related to food safety. No, he was going to do what corporations had done for decades to get past these types of pesky concerns. He was going to lie.Dangerous Food Safety LiesWhen the FDA was constructing their GMO policy in 1991-2, their scientists were clear that gene-sliced foods were significantly different and could lead to "different risks" than conventional foods. But official policy declared the opposite, claiming that the FDA knew nothing of significant differences, and declared GMOs substantially equivalent.This fiction became the rationale for allowing GM foods on the market without any required safety studies whatsoever! The determination of whether GM foods were safe to eat was placed entirely in the hands of the companies that made them -- companies like Monsanto, which told us that the PCBs, DDT, and Agent Orange were safe.GMOs were rushed onto our plates in 1996. Over the next nine years, multiple chronic illnesses in the US nearly doubled -- from 7% to 13%. Allergy-related emergency room visits doubled between 1997 and 2002 while food allergies, especially among children, skyrocketed. We also witnessed a dramatic rise in asthma, autism, obesity, diabetes, digestive disorders, and certain cancers.In January of this year, Dr. P. M. Bhargava, one of the world's top biologists, told me that after reviewing 600 scientific journals, he concluded that the GM foods in the US are largely responsible for the increase in many serious diseases.In May, the American Academy of Environmental Medicine concluded that animal studies have demonstrated a causal relationship between GM foods and infertility, accelerated aging, dysfunctional insulin regulation, changes in major organs and the gastrointestinal system, and immune problems such as asthma, allergies, and inflammationIn July, a report by eight international experts determined that the flimsy and superficial evaluations of GMOs by both regulators and GM companies "systematically overlook the side effects" and significantly underestimate "the initial signs of diseases like cancer and diseases of the hormonal, immune, nervous and reproductive systems, among others."The Fox Guarding the ChickensIf GMOs are indeed responsible for massive sickness and death, then the individual who oversaw the FDA policy that facilitated their introduction holds a uniquely infamous role in human history. That person is Michael Taylor. He had been Monsanto's attorney before becoming policy chief at the FDA. Soon after, he became Monsanto's vice president and chief lobbyist.This month Michael Taylor became the senior advisor to the commissioner of the FDA. He is now America's food safety czar. What have we done?The Milk Man ComethWhile Taylor was at the FDA in the early 90's, he also oversaw the policy regarding Monsanto's genetically engineered bovine growth hormone (rbGH/rbST) -- injected into cows to increase milk supply.The milk from injected cows has more pus, more antibiotics, more bovine growth hormone, and most importantly, more insulin-like growth factor 1 (IGF-1). IGF-1 is a huge risk factor for common cancers and its high levels in this drugged milk is why so many medical organizations and hospitals have taken stands against rbGH. A former Monsanto scientist told me that when three of his Monsanto colleagues evaluated rbGH safety and discovered the elevated IGF-1 levels, even they refused to drink any more milk -- unless it was organic and therefore untreated.Government scientists from Canada evaluated the FDA's approval of rbGH and concluded that it was a dangerous facade. The drug was banned in Canada, as well as Europe, Japan, Australia and New Zealand. But it was approved in the US while Michael Taylor was in charge. His drugged milk might have caused a significant rise in US cancer rates. Additional published evidence also implicates rbGH in the high rate of fraternal twins in the US.Taylor also determined that milk from injected cows did not require any special labeling. And as a gift to his future employer Monsanto, he wrote a white paper suggesting that if companies ever had the audacity to label their products as not using rbGH, they should also include a disclaimer stating that according to the FDA, there is no difference between milk from treated and untreated cows.Taylor's disclaimer was also a lie. Monsanto's own studies and FDA scientists officially acknowledged differences in the drugged milk. No matter. Monsanto used Taylor's white paper as the basis to successfully sue dairies that labeled their products as rbGH-free.Will Monsanto's Wolff Also Guard the Chickens?As consumers learned that rbGH was dangerous, they refused to buy the milk. To keep their customers, a tidal wave of companies has publicly committed to not use the drug and to label their products as such. Monsanto tried unsuccessfully to convince the FDA and FTC to make it illegal for dairies to make rbGH-free claims, so they went to their special friend in Pennsylvania -- Dennis Wolff. As state secretary of agriculture, Wolff unilaterally declared that labeling products rbGH-free was illegal, and that all such labels must be removed from shelves statewide. This would, of course, eliminate the label from all national brands, as they couldn't afford to create separate packaging for just one state.Fortunately, consumer demand forced Pennsylvania's Governor Ed Rendell to step in and stop Wolff's madness. But Rendell allowed Wolff to take a compromised position that now requires rbGH-free claims to also be accompanied by Taylor's FDA disclaimer on the package.President Obama is considering Dennis Wolff for the top food safety post at the USDA. Yikes!Rumor has it that the reason why Pennsylvania's governor is supporting Wolff's appointment is to get him out of the state -- after he "screwed up so badly" with the rbGH decision. Oh great, governor. Thanks.Ohio Governor Gets Taylor-itusOhio not only followed Pennsylvania's lead by requiring Taylor's FDA disclaimer on packaging, they went a step further. They declared that dairies must place that disclaimer on the same panel where rbGH-free claims are made, and even dictated the font size. This would force national brands to re-design their labels and may ultimately dissuade them from making rbGH-free claims at all. The Organic Trade Association and the International Dairy Foods Association filed a lawsuit against Ohio. Although they lost the first court battle, upon appeal, the judge ordered a mediation session that takes place today. Thousands of Ohio citizens have flooded Governor Strickland's office with urgent requests to withdraw the states anti-consumer labeling requirements.Perhaps the governor has an ulterior motive for pushing his new rules. If he goes ahead with his labeling plans, he might end up with a top appointment in the Obama administration. The truth is ugly sometimes, but knowing it may set you free. Once upon a time I was quite the liberal Democrat, and I am certainly no Republican today. But neither am I blind as I once was and I am very much involved in the efforts to insure health freedom and to restore liberty and freedom to the sovereign citizens of the sovereign states of the federal republic of the United States of America. OK, off my soapbox. This is not an invitation to begin a political debate, as that will detract from the main purpose of this group - beating and avoiding cancer and living longer, healthier and happier lives. But it had to be said. oleander soup , rleeh2001 wrote:>> Can't you people see behind the seen, Obama is doing just exactly what he > need to do, you people need to look deeper than the surface to see what is > really going on.> This is not business as usual, that ended with George Bush, this is a > completely different chapter. > Obama is a Spiritual person, with intentions and a soul contract to bring > Heaven to Earth, the Golden Age,. . . (pardon me while I barf - Tony) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 4, 2009 Report Share Posted August 4, 2009 No, that is not true at all. We the people vastly outnumber the evil and greedy ones who seek to enslave and abuse us. It is simply a matter of waking up and refusing to submit to tyranny. We've already breached politics here and I surely hate to get into religion - but I will point out that God's people have suffered abominably in the past and if one is to believe in the prophecies of Revelations there will come a time of prolonged suffering when Satan rules. None of which means that we give in or that we do not do what we know to be right and stand up for what we know to be our rights. A very good start would be to support the bills introduced by Ron Paul to help reign in the censorship of our supplements and food, as well as his bill to audit the Fed. No matter what, I am going to be here working and fighting to help people beat cancer and live longer, healthier and happier lives without getting trapped into mainstream drugs and managed for profit healthcare that treats symptoms and prevents and cures virtually nothing. oleander soup , rleeh2001 wrote:>> If Tony is correct you can hand you soul to God because you life will not > be worth saving, you won't want to survive from cancer or anything else.> That is like saying that God has turn us over to the devil, and I don't > believe that.> > > In a message dated 8/4/2009 3:06:16 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, > darrae writes:> > > > Right on Tony!!! Anyone can order "The Obama Deception" DVD by going to > _www.infowars.com_ (http://www.infowars.com/) .> This is excellent to see and give the info to others. > > - > _Tony_ () > _oleander soup _ (oleander soup ) > Tuesday, August 04, 2009 9:13 AM> OK, time for a rant on Obama and our health> > > > I usually try to keep politics out of this group - but since the > abomination of the bill that is being called Obamacare and agriculture regulations > that favor Big Pharma and Big Food are being rammed down our throats to the > detriment of our health whether we like it or not, and those regulations > have come largely from people Obama has appointed to office, I do have some > things to say. > First of all, Obama is no spiritual beingl. That is all smoke and mirrors > and deception, the same as the rest of Obama and the same as his > completely inexcusable refusal to reveal his original birth certificate or release > his college records. Far from any savior or "being of light" as one person > recently described him on another forum, he is merely a new face on the > latest in a very long string of puppets that have served anything but the > interests of the common citizens. Being of light? I am not sure that any > beings of light have ever come out of the corrupt Chicago political > organization. But perhaps he is a being of light in some respects - such as light > on experience, light on integrity, light on truth, and light on his feet as > he tap dances around in front of the cameras pretending to be our savior > when he is is nothing more than the latest tool of the new world order elite > to further their agenda. > Like W. E. B. Griffith and others have tried to tell us, the two party > system of Republican and Democrat is an engineered box we have been trapped > into. It is just an illusion - smoke and mirrors and word games - that we > have been trapped into. They have rigged the game so that it is virtually > impossible for any other party or and independent candidate to have a chance,> and further insured control of elections with easily manipulated Diebold > voting machines (did you know that the people who run that company are > ex-felons, btw?). At the top, both parties have the same masters and the same > agenda- they simply approach it from different angles. And you can take > this to the funny-money bank: no-one gets elected at the top of the ticket > that has not been vetted and pre-approved by the Bilderburgs. > If the poor dumbed down, reality show watching, filterd news consuming > sheeple were not so blind, that should have been imminently apparent during > Bush's last race which featured two Skull and Bones members squared off > against one another, and even more apparent when we were tricked into a war of > mass deception for the sake of big oil and the Halliburton profiteers as > well as Bush's huge expansion of government, his presidential signings that > eroded our freedoms, the rushed bail out that did nothing to free up credit > or help the financial crisis, and his virtual abandonment of the > conservative principles he espoused during his campaign. > In the instance of Obama, it is more of the same, just as it would have > been with McCain - except Obama has the pedal all the way to the floor to > hasten the New World Order's plans to bring America to her knees and eliminate > their greatest obstacle to a one-world government by the elite, of the > elite and for the elite. I will point out that no administration has ever had > the number of Council of Foreign Relations, Trilateral Commission, and > Bilderburg members as Obama's. His choice for Healthcare was a Merck insider > and, though he had to withdraw in scandal due to failure to pay taxes, the > Obamacare bill has his signature all over it. Most of you will recognize > Merck as the company that brought us Vioxx and, along with their lackeys in > the FDA, fought to keep it on the market until over 60,000 deaths (more > than the entire Vietnam War) were attributed to it. And then there is > Avandia, Fosamax and the horrendous Gardasil vaccine jabs they bribed government > officials to endorse and even make mandatory for our young school girls. > Obama's choice to head up Agriculture is a Monsanto insider, and those of > us who are aware of what is going on in the world recognize Monsanto as the > most evil of all the giant Agri-biz companies (think GMO, antibiotics in > meat and roundup ready food crops, along with a plan to control all of our > seeds). > Likewise, the people Obama has chosen to run the financial aspects of our > government are Wallstreet insiders and some of the very same people who > were in charge of the banks we had to bail out. > Now, returning once again to the health issues, here is the capper (thus > far anyway): > The person who may be responsible for more food-related illness and death > than anyone in history has just been made the US food safety czar. This is > no joke.> > Here's the back story.> > When FDA scientists were asked to weigh in on what was to become the most > radical and potentially dangerous change in our food supply -- the > introduction of genetically modified (GM) foods -- secret documents now reveal that > the experts were very concerned. Memo after memo described toxins, new > diseases, nutritional deficiencies, and hard-to-detect allergens. They were > adamant that the technology carried "serious health hazards," and required > careful, long-term research, including human studies, before any genetically > modified organisms (GMOs) could be safely released into the food supply.> > But the biotech industry had rigged the game so that neither _Science_ > (http://www.curezone.com/c/?/forums/f.asp?f=443) nor scientists would stand in > their way. They had placed their own man in charge of FDA policy and he > wasn't going to be swayed by feeble arguments related to food safety. No, he > was going to do what corporations had done for decades to get past these > types of pesky concerns. He was going to lie.> > Dangerous Food Safety Lies> > When the FDA was constructing their _GMO_ (http://www.curezone.com/c/?> /abbreviations.asp) policy in 1991-2, their scientists were clear that > gene-sliced foods were significantly different and could lead to "different risks" > than conventional foods. But official policy declared the opposite, > claiming that the FDA knew nothing of significant differences, and declared GMOs > substantially equivalent.> > This fiction became the rationale for allowing _GM_ > (http://www.curezone.com/c/?/abbreviations.asp) foods on the market without any required safety > studies whatsoever! The determination of whether GM foods were safe to eat > was placed entirely in the hands of the companies that made them -- > companies like Monsanto, which told us that the PCBs, DDT, and Agent Orange were > safe.> > GMOs were rushed onto our plates in 1996. Over the next nine years, > multiple chronic illnesses in the US nearly doubled -- from 7% to 13%. > Allergy-related emergency room visits doubled between 1997 and 2002 while food > allergies, especially among children, skyrocketed. We also witnessed a dramatic > rise in asthma, autism, obesity, diabetes, digestive disorders, and certain > cancers.> > In January of this year, Dr. P. M. Bhargava, one of the world's top > biologists, told me that after reviewing 600 scientific journals, he concluded > that the GM foods in the US are largely responsible for the increase in many > serious diseases.> > In May, the American Academy of Environmental Medicine concluded that > animal studies have demonstrated a causal relationship between GM foods and > infertility, accelerated aging, dysfunctional insulin regulation, changes in > major organs and the gastrointestinal system, and immune problems such as > asthma, allergies, and inflammation> > In July, a report by eight international experts determined that the > flimsy and superficial evaluations of GMOs by both regulators and GM companies > "systematically overlook the side effects" and significantly underestimate > "the initial signs of diseases like cancer and diseases of the hormonal, > immune, nervous and reproductive systems, among others."> > The Fox Guarding the Chickens> > If GMOs are indeed responsible for massive sickness and death, then the > individual who oversaw the FDA policy that facilitated their introduction > holds a uniquely infamous role in human history. That person is Michael > Taylor. He had been Monsanto's attorney before becoming policy chief at the FDA. > Soon after, he became Monsanto's vice president and chief lobbyist.> > This month Michael Taylor became the senior advisor to the commissioner of > the FDA. He is now America's food safety czar. What have we done?> > The Milk Man Cometh> > While Taylor was at the FDA in the early 90's, he also oversaw the policy > regarding Monsanto's genetically engineered bovine growth hormone > (rbGH/rbST) -- injected into cows to increase milk supply.> > The milk from injected cows has more pus, more antibiotics, more bovine > growth hormone, and most importantly, more insulin-like growth factor 1 > (IGF-1). IGF-1 is a huge risk factor for common cancers and its high levels in > this drugged milk is why so many medical organizations and hospitals have > taken stands against rbGH. A former Monsanto scientist told me that when > three of his Monsanto colleagues evaluated rbGH safety and discovered the > elevated IGF-1 levels, even they refused to drink any more milk -- unless it was > organic and therefore untreated.> > Government scientists from Canada evaluated the FDA's approval of rbGH and > concluded that it was a dangerous facade. The drug was banned in Canada, > as well as Europe, Japan, Australia and New Zealand. But it was approved in > the US while Michael Taylor was in charge. His drugged milk might have > caused a significant rise in US cancer rates. Additional published evidence > also implicates rbGH in the high rate of fraternal twins in the US.> > Taylor also determined that milk from injected cows did not require any > special labeling. And as a gift to his future employer Monsanto, he wrote a > white paper suggesting that if companies ever had the audacity to label > their products as not using rbGH, they should also include a disclaimer stating > that according to the FDA, there is no difference between milk from > treated and untreated cows.> > Taylor's disclaimer was also a lie. Monsanto's own studies and FDA > scientists officially acknowledged differences in the drugged milk. No matter. > Monsanto used Taylor's white paper as the basis to successfully sue dairies > that labeled their products as rbGH-free.> > Will Monsanto's Wolff Also Guard the Chickens?> > As consumers learned that rbGH was dangerous, they refused to buy the > milk. To keep their customers, a tidal wave of companies has publicly committed > to not use the drug and to label their products as such. Monsanto tried > unsuccessfully to convince the FDA and FTC to make it illegal for dairies to > make rbGH-free claims, so they went to their special friend in Pennsylvania > -- Dennis Wolff. As state secretary of agriculture, Wolff unilaterally > declared that labeling products rbGH-free was illegal, and that all such > labels must be removed from shelves statewide. This would, of course, eliminate > the label from all national brands, as they couldn't afford to create > separate packaging for just one state.> > Fortunately, consumer demand forced Pennsylvania'Fortunately, consumer > demand forced Pennsylvania'<WBR>s Governor Ed Rendell to step in and stop > Wolff's madness. But Rendell allowed Wolff to take a compromised position that > now requires rbGH-free claims to also be > > President Obama is considering Dennis Wolff for the top food safety post > at the USDA. Yikes!> > Rumor has it that the reason why Pennsylvania'Rumor has it that the > reason why Pennsylvania'<WBR>s governor is supporting Wolff's appointment is to > get him out of the state -- after he "screwed up so badly" > > Ohio Governor Gets Taylor-itus> > Ohio not only followed Pennsylvania'Ohio not only followed > Pennsylvania'<WBR>s lead by requiring Tawent a step further. They declared that dairies > must place that disclaimer on the same panel where rbGH-free claims are made, > and even dictated the font size. This would force national brands to > re-design their labels and may ultimately dissuade them from making rbGH-free > claims at all. The Organic Trade Association and the International Dairy > Foods Association filed a lawsuit against Ohio. Although they lost the first > court battle, upon appeal, the judge ordered a mediation session that takes > place today. Thousands of Ohio citizens have flooded Governor Strickland's > office with urgent requests to withdraw the states anti-consumer labeling > requirements.> > Perhaps the governor has an ulterior motive for pushing his new rules. If > he goes ahead with his labeling plans, he might end up with a top > appointment in the Obama administration. > The truth is ugly sometimes, but knowing it may set you free. Once upon a > time I was quite the liberal Democrat, and I am certainly no Republican > today. But neither am I blind as I once was and I am very much involved in > the efforts to insure health freedom and to restore liberty and freedom to > the sovereign citizens of the sovereign states of the federal republic of > the United States of America. > OK, off my soapbox. This is not an invitation to begin a political > debate, as that will detract from the main purpose of this group - beating and > avoiding cancer and living longer, healthier and happier lives. But it had > to be said. > Tony > > oleander soup@ In oleanoleandersooleande> >> > Can't you people see behind the seen, Obama is doing just exactly what > he > > need to do, you people need to look deeper than the surface to see what > is > > really going on.> > This is not business as usual, that ended with George Bush, this is a > > completely different chapter. > > Obama is a Spiritual person, with intentions and a soul contract to > bring > > Heaven to Earth, the Golden Age,. . . (pardon me while I barf - Tony)> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 5, 2009 Report Share Posted August 5, 2009 I have been following your emails about this issue for a few days. Your main concern is your right to choose, I can respect that. However, as others have mentioned repeatedly many of these rights that you are so worried about losing are already old news. You fail to be concerned about the millions of people that die and are presently living with no health care. They are your neighbors, your gardeners and some our own children. You are worried about your rights I am concerned more about equity. We all deserve medical care even if the system fails us sometimes. Obama's plan is not a perfect solution, we'll never have that but I am willing to risk it to help the masses rather than preserve my right to unlimited medical care. Which by the way doesn't exist, insurance co. already determine what medical care you can obtain. AlmaTony oleander soup Sent: Tuesday, August 4, 2009 3:51:56 PM Re: Obama's deception from Darlene No, that is not true at all. We the people vastly outnumber the evil and greedy ones who seek to enslave and abuse us. It is simply a matter of waking up and refusing to submit to tyranny. We've already breached politics here and I surely hate to get into religion - but I will point out that God's people have suffered abominably in the past and if one is to believe in the prophecies of Revelations there will come a time of prolonged suffering when Satan rules. None of which means that we give in or that we do not do what we know to be right and stand up for what we know to be our rights. A very good start would be to support the bills introduced by Ron Paul to help reign in the censorship of our supplements and food, as well as his bill to audit the Fed. No matter what, I am going to be here working and fighting to help people beat cancer and live longer, healthier and happier lives without getting trapped into mainstream drugs and managed for profit healthcare that treats symptoms and prevents and cures virtually nothing. oleander soup, rleeh2001@.. . wrote:>> If Tony is correct you can hand you soul to God because you life will not > be worth saving, you won't want to survive from cancer or anything else.> That is like saying that God has turn us over to the devil, and I don't > believe that.> > > In a message dated 8/4/2009 3:06:16 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, > darrae writes:> > > > Right on Tony!!! Anyone can order "The Obama Deception" DVD by going to > _www.infowars. com_ (http://www. infowars. com/) .> This is excellent to see and give the info to others. > > - > _Tony_ (@ ...) > _oleander soup_ (oleandersou p ) > Tuesday, August 04, 2009 9:13 AM> OK, time for a rant on Obama and our health> > > > I usually try to keep politics out of this group - but since the > abomination of the bill that is being called Obamacare and agriculture regulations > that favor Big Pharma and Big Food are being rammed down our throats to the > detriment of our health whether we like it or not, and those regulations > have come largely from people Obama has appointed to office, I do have some > things to say. > First of all, Obama is no spiritual beingl. That is all smoke and mirrors > and deception, the same as the rest of Obama and the same as his > completely inexcusable refusal to reveal his original birth certificate or release > his college records. Far from any savior or "being of light" as one person > recently described him on another forum, he is merely a new face on the > latest in a very long string of puppets that have served anything but the > interests of the common citizens. Being of light? I am not sure that any > beings of light have ever come out of the corrupt Chicago political > organization. But perhaps he is a being of light in some respects - such as light > on experience, light on integrity, light on truth, and light on his feet as > he tap dances around in front of the cameras pretending to be our savior > when he is is nothing more than the latest tool of the new world order elite > to further their agenda. > Like W. E. B. Griffith and others have tried to tell us, the two party > system of Republican and Democrat is an engineered box we have been trapped > into. It is just an illusion - smoke and mirrors and word games - that we > have been trapped into. They have rigged the game so that it is virtually > impossible for any other party or and independent candidate to have a chance,> and further insured control of elections with easily manipulated Diebold > voting machines (did you know that the people who run that company are > ex-felons, btw?). At the top, both parties have the same masters and the same > agenda- they simply approach it from different angles. And you can take > this to the funny-money bank: no-one gets elected at the top of the ticket > that has not been vetted and pre-approved by the Bilderburgs. > If the poor dumbed down, reality show watching, filterd news consuming > sheeple were not so blind, that should have been imminently apparent during > Bush's last race which featured two Skull and Bones members squared off > against one another, and even more apparent when we were tricked into a war of > mass deception for the sake of big oil and the Halliburton profiteers as > well as Bush's huge expansion of government, his presidential signings that > eroded our freedoms, the rushed bail out that did nothing to free up credit > or help the financial crisis, and his virtual abandonment of the > conservative principles he espoused during his campaign. > In the instance of Obama, it is more of the same, just as it would have > been with McCain - except Obama has the pedal all the way to the floor to > hasten the New World Order's plans to bring America to her knees and eliminate > their greatest obstacle to a one-world government by the elite, of the > elite and for the elite. I will point out that no administration has ever had > the number of Council of Foreign Relations, Trilateral Commission, and > Bilderburg members as Obama's. His choice for Healthcare was a Merck insider > and, though he had to withdraw in scandal due to failure to pay taxes, the > Obamacare bill has his signature all over it. Most of you will recognize > Merck as the company that brought us Vioxx and, along with their lackeys in > the FDA, fought to keep it on the market until over 60,000 deaths (more > than the entire Vietnam War) were attributed to it. And then there is > Avandia, Fosamax and the horrendous Gardasil vaccine jabs they bribed government > officials to endorse and even make mandatory for our young school girls. > Obama's choice to head up Agriculture is a Monsanto insider, and those of > us who are aware of what is going on in the world recognize Monsanto as the > most evil of all the giant Agri-biz companies (think GMO, antibiotics in > meat and roundup ready food crops, along with a plan to control all of our > seeds). > Likewise, the people Obama has chosen to run the financial aspects of our > government are Wallstreet insiders and some of the very same people who > were in charge of the banks we had to bail out. > Now, returning once again to the health issues, here is the capper (thus > far anyway): > The person who may be responsible for more food-related illness and death > than anyone in history has just been made the US food safety czar. This is > no joke.> > Here's the back story.> > When FDA scientists were asked to weigh in on what was to become the most > radical and potentially dangerous change in our food supply -- the > introduction of genetically modified (GM) foods -- secret documents now reveal that > the experts were very concerned. Memo after memo described toxins, new > diseases, nutritional deficiencies, and hard-to-detect allergens. They were > adamant that the technology carried "serious health hazards," and required > careful, long-term research, including human studies, before any genetically > modified organisms (GMOs) could be safely released into the food supply.> > But the biotech industry had rigged the game so that neither _Science_ > (http://www. curezone. com/c/?/forums/ f.asp?f=443) nor scientists would stand in > their way. They had placed their own man in charge of FDA policy and he > wasn't going to be swayed by feeble arguments related to food safety. No, he > was going to do what corporations had done for decades to get past these > types of pesky concerns. He was going to lie.> > Dangerous Food Safety Lies> > When the FDA was constructing their _GMO_ (http://www. curezone. com/c/?> /abbreviations. asp) policy in 1991-2, their scientists were clear that > gene-sliced foods were significantly different and could lead to "different risks" > than conventional foods. But official policy declared the opposite, > claiming that the FDA knew nothing of significant differences, and declared GMOs > substantially equivalent.> > This fiction became the rationale for allowing _GM_ > (http://www. curezone. com/c/?/abbrevia tions.asp) foods on the market without any required safety > studies whatsoever! The determination of whether GM foods were safe to eat > was placed entirely in the hands of the companies that made them -- > companies like Monsanto, which told us that the PCBs, DDT, and Agent Orange were > safe.> > GMOs were rushed onto our plates in 1996. Over the next nine years, > multiple chronic illnesses in the US nearly doubled -- from 7% to 13%. > Allergy-related emergency room visits doubled between 1997 and 2002 while food > allergies, especially among children, skyrocketed. We also witnessed a dramatic > rise in asthma, autism, obesity, diabetes, digestive disorders, and certain > cancers.> > In January of this year, Dr. P. M. Bhargava, one of the world's top > biologists, told me that after reviewing 600 scientific journals, he concluded > that the GM foods in the US are largely responsible for the increase in many > serious diseases.> > In May, the American Academy of Environmental Medicine concluded that > animal studies have demonstrated a causal relationship between GM foods and > infertility, accelerated aging, dysfunctional insulin regulation, changes in > major organs and the gastrointestinal system, and immune problems such as > asthma, allergies, and inflammation> > In July, a report by eight international experts determined that the > flimsy and superficial evaluations of GMOs by both regulators and GM companies > "systematically overlook the side effects" and significantly underestimate > "the initial signs of diseases like cancer and diseases of the hormonal, > immune, nervous and reproductive systems, among others."> > The Fox Guarding the Chickens> > If GMOs are indeed responsible for massive sickness and death, then the > individual who oversaw the FDA policy that facilitated their introduction > holds a uniquely infamous role in human history. That person is Michael > Taylor. He had been Monsanto's attorney before becoming policy chief at the FDA. > Soon after, he became Monsanto's vice president and chief lobbyist.> > This month Michael Taylor became the senior advisor to the commissioner of > the FDA. He is now America's food safety czar. What have we done?> > The Milk Man Cometh> > While Taylor was at the FDA in the early 90's, he also oversaw the policy > regarding Monsanto's genetically engineered bovine growth hormone > (rbGH/rbST) -- injected into cows to increase milk supply.> > The milk from injected cows has more pus, more antibiotics, more bovine > growth hormone, and most importantly, more insulin-like growth factor 1 > (IGF-1). IGF-1 is a huge risk factor for common cancers and its high levels in > this drugged milk is why so many medical organizations and hospitals have > taken stands against rbGH. A former Monsanto scientist told me that when > three of his Monsanto colleagues evaluated rbGH safety and discovered the > elevated IGF-1 levels, even they refused to drink any more milk -- unless it was > organic and therefore untreated.> > Government scientists from Canada evaluated the FDA's approval of rbGH and > concluded that it was a dangerous facade. The drug was banned in Canada, > as well as Europe, Japan, Australia and New Zealand. But it was approved in > the US while Michael Taylor was in charge. His drugged milk might have > caused a significant rise in US cancer rates. Additional published evidence > also implicates rbGH in the high rate of fraternal twins in the US.> > Taylor also determined that milk from injected cows did not require any > special labeling. And as a gift to his future employer Monsanto, he wrote a > white paper suggesting that if companies ever had the audacity to label > their products as not using rbGH, they should also include a disclaimer stating > that according to the FDA, there is no difference between milk from > treated and untreated cows.> > Taylor's disclaimer was also a lie. Monsanto's own studies and FDA > scientists officially acknowledged differences in the drugged milk. No matter. > Monsanto used Taylor's white paper as the basis to successfully sue dairies > that labeled their products as rbGH-free.> > Will Monsanto's Wolff Also Guard the Chickens?> > As consumers learned that rbGH was dangerous, they refused to buy the > milk. To keep their customers, a tidal wave of companies has publicly committed > to not use the drug and to label their products as such. Monsanto tried > unsuccessfully to convince the FDA and FTC to make it illegal for dairies to > make rbGH-free claims, so they went to their special friend in Pennsylvania > -- Dennis Wolff. As state secretary of agriculture, Wolff unilaterally > declared that labeling products rbGH-free was illegal, and that all such > labels must be removed from shelves statewide. This would, of course, eliminate > the label from all national brands, as they couldn't afford to create > separate packaging for just one state.> > Fortunately, consumer demand forced Pennsylvania' Fortunately, consumer > demand forced Pennsylvania'<WBR>s Governor Ed Rendell to step in and stop > Wolff's madness. But Rendell allowed Wolff to take a compromised position that > now requires rbGH-free claims to also be > > President Obama is considering Dennis Wolff for the top food safety post > at the USDA. Yikes!> > Rumor has it that the reason why Pennsylvania' Rumor has it that the > reason why Pennsylvania'<WBR>s governor is supporting Wolff's appointment is to > get him out of the state -- after he "screwed up so badly" > > Ohio Governor Gets Taylor-itus> > Ohio not only followed Pennsylvania' Ohio not only followed > Pennsylvania'<WBR>s lead by requiring Tawent a step further. They declared that dairies > must place that disclaimer on the same panel where rbGH-free claims are made, > and even dictated the font size. This would force national brands to > re-design their labels and may ultimately dissuade them from making rbGH-free > claims at all. The Organic Trade Association and the International Dairy > Foods Association filed a lawsuit against Ohio. Although they lost the first > court battle, upon appeal, the judge ordered a mediation session that takes > place today. Thousands of Ohio citizens have flooded Governor Strickland's > office with urgent requests to withdraw the states anti-consumer labeling > requirements.> > Perhaps the governor has an ulterior motive for pushing his new rules. If > he goes ahead with his labeling plans, he might end up with a top > appointment in the Obama administration. > The truth is ugly sometimes, but knowing it may set you free. Once upon a > time I was quite the liberal Democrat, and I am certainly no Republican > today. But neither am I blind as I once was and I am very much involved in > the efforts to insure health freedom and to restore liberty and freedom to > the sovereign citizens of the sovereign states of the federal republic of > the United States of America. > OK, off my soapbox. This is not an invitation to begin a political > debate, as that will detract from the main purpose of this group - beating and > avoiding cancer and living longer, healthier and happier lives. But it had > to be said. > Tony > > oleander soup@ In oleanoleanderso-- - In oleande> >> > Can't you people see behind the seen, Obama is doing just exactly what > he > > need to do, you people need to look deeper than the surface to see what > is > > really going on.> > This is not business as usual, that ended with George Bush, this is a > > completely different chapter. > > Obama is a Spiritual person, with intentions and a soul contract to > bring > > Heaven to Earth, the Golden Age,. . . (pardon me while I barf - Tony)> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 5, 2009 Report Share Posted August 5, 2009 God didn't turn us over to the devil - we chose. oleander soup , rleeh2001 wrote: > > If Tony is correct you can hand you soul to God because you life will not > be worth saving, you won't want to survive from cancer or anything else. > That is like saying that God has turn us over to the devil, and I don't > believe that. > > > In a message dated 8/4/2009 3:06:16 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, > darrae writes: > > > > Right on Tony!!! Anyone can order " The Obama Deception " DVD by going to > _www.infowars.com_ (http://www.infowars.com/) . > This is excellent to see and give the info to others. > > - > _Tony_ () > _oleander soup _ (oleander soup ) > Tuesday, August 04, 2009 9:13 AM > OK, time for a rant on Obama and our health > > > > I usually try to keep politics out of this group - but since the > abomination of the bill that is being called Obamacare and agriculture regulations > that favor Big Pharma and Big Food are being rammed down our throats to the > detriment of our health whether we like it or not, and those regulations > have come largely from people Obama has appointed to office, I do have some > things to say. > First of all, Obama is no spiritual beingl. That is all smoke and mirrors > and deception, the same as the rest of Obama and the same as his > completely inexcusable refusal to reveal his original birth certificate or release > his college records. Far from any savior or " being of light " as one person > recently described him on another forum, he is merely a new face on the > latest in a very long string of puppets that have served anything but the > interests of the common citizens. Being of light? I am not sure that any > beings of light have ever come out of the corrupt Chicago political > organization. But perhaps he is a being of light in some respects - such as light > on experience, light on integrity, light on truth, and light on his feet as > he tap dances around in front of the cameras pretending to be our savior > when he is is nothing more than the latest tool of the new world order elite > to further their agenda. > Like W. E. B. Griffith and others have tried to tell us, the two party > system of Republican and Democrat is an engineered box we have been trapped > into. It is just an illusion - smoke and mirrors and word games - that we > have been trapped into. They have rigged the game so that it is virtually > impossible for any other party or and independent candidate to have a chance, > and further insured control of elections with easily manipulated Diebold > voting machines (did you know that the people who run that company are > ex-felons, btw?). At the top, both parties have the same masters and the same > agenda- they simply approach it from different angles. And you can take > this to the funny-money bank: no-one gets elected at the top of the ticket > that has not been vetted and pre-approved by the Bilderburgs. > If the poor dumbed down, reality show watching, filterd news consuming > sheeple were not so blind, that should have been imminently apparent during > Bush's last race which featured two Skull and Bones members squared off > against one another, and even more apparent when we were tricked into a war of > mass deception for the sake of big oil and the Halliburton profiteers as > well as Bush's huge expansion of government, his presidential signings that > eroded our freedoms, the rushed bail out that did nothing to free up credit > or help the financial crisis, and his virtual abandonment of the > conservative principles he espoused during his campaign. > In the instance of Obama, it is more of the same, just as it would have > been with McCain - except Obama has the pedal all the way to the floor to > hasten the New World Order's plans to bring America to her knees and eliminate > their greatest obstacle to a one-world government by the elite, of the > elite and for the elite. I will point out that no administration has ever had > the number of Council of Foreign Relations, Trilateral Commission, and > Bilderburg members as Obama's. His choice for Healthcare was a Merck insider > and, though he had to withdraw in scandal due to failure to pay taxes, the > Obamacare bill has his signature all over it. Most of you will recognize > Merck as the company that brought us Vioxx and, along with their lackeys in > the FDA, fought to keep it on the market until over 60,000 deaths (more > than the entire Vietnam War) were attributed to it. And then there is > Avandia, Fosamax and the horrendous Gardasil vaccine jabs they bribed government > officials to endorse and even make mandatory for our young school girls. > Obama's choice to head up Agriculture is a Monsanto insider, and those of > us who are aware of what is going on in the world recognize Monsanto as the > most evil of all the giant Agri-biz companies (think GMO, antibiotics in > meat and roundup ready food crops, along with a plan to control all of our > seeds). > Likewise, the people Obama has chosen to run the financial aspects of our > government are Wallstreet insiders and some of the very same people who > were in charge of the banks we had to bail out. > Now, returning once again to the health issues, here is the capper (thus > far anyway): > The person who may be responsible for more food-related illness and death > than anyone in history has just been made the US food safety czar. This is > no joke. > > Here's the back story. > > When FDA scientists were asked to weigh in on what was to become the most > radical and potentially dangerous change in our food supply -- the > introduction of genetically modified (GM) foods -- secret documents now reveal that > the experts were very concerned. Memo after memo described toxins, new > diseases, nutritional deficiencies, and hard-to-detect allergens. They were > adamant that the technology carried " serious health hazards, " and required > careful, long-term research, including human studies, before any genetically > modified organisms (GMOs) could be safely released into the food supply. > > But the biotech industry had rigged the game so that neither _Science_ > (http://www.curezone.com/c/?/forums/f.asp?f=443) nor scientists would stand in > their way. They had placed their own man in charge of FDA policy and he > wasn't going to be swayed by feeble arguments related to food safety. No, he > was going to do what corporations had done for decades to get past these > types of pesky concerns. He was going to lie. > > Dangerous Food Safety Lies > > When the FDA was constructing their _GMO_ (http://www.curezone.com/c/? > /abbreviations.asp) policy in 1991-2, their scientists were clear that > gene-sliced foods were significantly different and could lead to " different risks " > than conventional foods. But official policy declared the opposite, > claiming that the FDA knew nothing of significant differences, and declared GMOs > substantially equivalent. > > This fiction became the rationale for allowing _GM_ > (http://www.curezone.com/c/?/abbreviations.asp) foods on the market without any required safety > studies whatsoever! The determination of whether GM foods were safe to eat > was placed entirely in the hands of the companies that made them -- > companies like Monsanto, which told us that the PCBs, DDT, and Agent Orange were > safe. > > GMOs were rushed onto our plates in 1996. Over the next nine years, > multiple chronic illnesses in the US nearly doubled -- from 7% to 13%. > Allergy-related emergency room visits doubled between 1997 and 2002 while food > allergies, especially among children, skyrocketed. We also witnessed a dramatic > rise in asthma, autism, obesity, diabetes, digestive disorders, and certain > cancers. > > In January of this year, Dr. P. M. Bhargava, one of the world's top > biologists, told me that after reviewing 600 scientific journals, he concluded > that the GM foods in the US are largely responsible for the increase in many > serious diseases. > > In May, the American Academy of Environmental Medicine concluded that > animal studies have demonstrated a causal relationship between GM foods and > infertility, accelerated aging, dysfunctional insulin regulation, changes in > major organs and the gastrointestinal system, and immune problems such as > asthma, allergies, and inflammation > > In July, a report by eight international experts determined that the > flimsy and superficial evaluations of GMOs by both regulators and GM companies > " systematically overlook the side effects " and significantly underestimate > " the initial signs of diseases like cancer and diseases of the hormonal, > immune, nervous and reproductive systems, among others. " > > The Fox Guarding the Chickens > > If GMOs are indeed responsible for massive sickness and death, then the > individual who oversaw the FDA policy that facilitated their introduction > holds a uniquely infamous role in human history. That person is Michael > Taylor. He had been Monsanto's attorney before becoming policy chief at the FDA. > Soon after, he became Monsanto's vice president and chief lobbyist. > > This month Michael Taylor became the senior advisor to the commissioner of > the FDA. He is now America's food safety czar. What have we done? > > The Milk Man Cometh > > While Taylor was at the FDA in the early 90's, he also oversaw the policy > regarding Monsanto's genetically engineered bovine growth hormone > (rbGH/rbST) -- injected into cows to increase milk supply. > > The milk from injected cows has more pus, more antibiotics, more bovine > growth hormone, and most importantly, more insulin-like growth factor 1 > (IGF-1). IGF-1 is a huge risk factor for common cancers and its high levels in > this drugged milk is why so many medical organizations and hospitals have > taken stands against rbGH. A former Monsanto scientist told me that when > three of his Monsanto colleagues evaluated rbGH safety and discovered the > elevated IGF-1 levels, even they refused to drink any more milk -- unless it was > organic and therefore untreated. > > Government scientists from Canada evaluated the FDA's approval of rbGH and > concluded that it was a dangerous facade. The drug was banned in Canada, > as well as Europe, Japan, Australia and New Zealand. But it was approved in > the US while Michael Taylor was in charge. His drugged milk might have > caused a significant rise in US cancer rates. Additional published evidence > also implicates rbGH in the high rate of fraternal twins in the US. > > Taylor also determined that milk from injected cows did not require any > special labeling. And as a gift to his future employer Monsanto, he wrote a > white paper suggesting that if companies ever had the audacity to label > their products as not using rbGH, they should also include a disclaimer stating > that according to the FDA, there is no difference between milk from > treated and untreated cows. > > Taylor's disclaimer was also a lie. Monsanto's own studies and FDA > scientists officially acknowledged differences in the drugged milk. No matter. > Monsanto used Taylor's white paper as the basis to successfully sue dairies > that labeled their products as rbGH-free. > > Will Monsanto's Wolff Also Guard the Chickens? > > As consumers learned that rbGH was dangerous, they refused to buy the > milk. To keep their customers, a tidal wave of companies has publicly committed > to not use the drug and to label their products as such. Monsanto tried > unsuccessfully to convince the FDA and FTC to make it illegal for dairies to > make rbGH-free claims, so they went to their special friend in Pennsylvania > -- Dennis Wolff. As state secretary of agriculture, Wolff unilaterally > declared that labeling products rbGH-free was illegal, and that all such > labels must be removed from shelves statewide. This would, of course, eliminate > the label from all national brands, as they couldn't afford to create > separate packaging for just one state. > > Fortunately, consumer demand forced Pennsylvania'Fortunately, consumer > demand forced Pennsylvania'<WBR>s Governor Ed Rendell to step in and stop > Wolff's madness. But Rendell allowed Wolff to take a compromised position that > now requires rbGH-free claims to also be > > President Obama is considering Dennis Wolff for the top food safety post > at the USDA. Yikes! > > Rumor has it that the reason why Pennsylvania'Rumor has it that the > reason why Pennsylvania'<WBR>s governor is supporting Wolff's appointment is to > get him out of the state -- after he " screwed up so badly " > > Ohio Governor Gets Taylor-itus > > Ohio not only followed Pennsylvania'Ohio not only followed > Pennsylvania'<WBR>s lead by requiring Tawent a step further. They declared that dairies > must place that disclaimer on the same panel where rbGH-free claims are made, > and even dictated the font size. This would force national brands to > re-design their labels and may ultimately dissuade them from making rbGH-free > claims at all. The Organic Trade Association and the International Dairy > Foods Association filed a lawsuit against Ohio. Although they lost the first > court battle, upon appeal, the judge ordered a mediation session that takes > place today. Thousands of Ohio citizens have flooded Governor Strickland's > office with urgent requests to withdraw the states anti-consumer labeling > requirements. > > Perhaps the governor has an ulterior motive for pushing his new rules. If > he goes ahead with his labeling plans, he might end up with a top > appointment in the Obama administration. > The truth is ugly sometimes, but knowing it may set you free. Once upon a > time I was quite the liberal Democrat, and I am certainly no Republican > today. But neither am I blind as I once was and I am very much involved in > the efforts to insure health freedom and to restore liberty and freedom to > the sovereign citizens of the sovereign states of the federal republic of > the United States of America. > OK, off my soapbox. This is not an invitation to begin a political > debate, as that will detract from the main purpose of this group - beating and > avoiding cancer and living longer, healthier and happier lives. But it had > to be said. > > > oleander soup@ In oleanoleandersooleande > > > > Can't you people see behind the seen, Obama is doing just exactly what > he > > need to do, you people need to look deeper than the surface to see what > is > > really going on. > > This is not business as usual, that ended with George Bush, this is a > > completely different chapter. > > Obama is a Spiritual person, with intentions and a soul contract to > bring > > Heaven to Earth, the Golden Age,. . . (pardon me while I barf - Tony) > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 5, 2009 Report Share Posted August 5, 2009 Well, first of all I have not been writing about this issue for a few days to begin with - at least not in this forum. Losing our rights may be old news, but that does not make it right nor does it mean that we do not have the means to regain those rights. And, as clearly stated by our forefathers when they crafted the Declaration of Indpendence, it is not only our right but our patriotic duty to either change or replace any form of government that becomes nonresponsive to the rights and freedoms of its citizens. Now, as regards health care - our founding fathers never intended for our government to care for us from cradle to grave. Nowhere in their writings or in the constitution will you find their intentions for the government to feed, house, clothe and educate us, nor did they intend government to provide health care or to mandate what does and does not constitute acceptible health care and medicine. That is a top heavy nanny state that is the antithesis of a weak federal government that is the servant of the individual sovereign states and sovereign citizens as intended by our forefathers. No matter how laudible it may appear on paper it is a formula that carries us further away from freedom and personal responsibility and further down the road to socialism. Quite simply, the more control one gives to government the less freedom one has. Now, I think that it is fine and good for the government to provide some safety nets to ensure access to healthcare for one and all, the same as I do education, housing and food - but look what the solution has been when it comes to government provided housing and food: generations trapped into substandard housing in crime ridden and drug infested neighborhoods and being duped into feeling beholden to the same politicians who condemn them to second class citizenship even as they pander for their votes and make speeches about how they care for the less privileged. And just look at education - where what is taught is mandated by the government and is used as a tool of the state to mold our thoughts and actions so that we better serve the elite. I would love to see true healthcare available for one and all, but I am not in favor of any form of government health care or any form of insurance period that ignores natural healing such as mankind has used successfully, and 80% of the world continues to use, for thousands of years. If more attention were given to telling the truth about nutrition, lifestyle, prevention and the wondrous healing that is available from natural herbs and botanicals, instead of lies and suppression of natural health and government agencies that serve as protection rackets for big medicine and big food, we could slash our healthcare costs to a mere fraction of what they are now and healthcare might be affordable for everyone. A system that relies on mainstream drugs and managing symptoms will only further serve to erode our access to alternative healing and put us more firmly under the control of Big Pharma and mainstream medicine than we are now. While I will grant you that millions of people have died and suffered because they have not had access to health care, I would also contend that many millions more have died because the healthcare we do have is firmly in the hands of those who care more about profits and their bottom line than they do about actually healing us. When deaths due to side effects from mainstream drugs, medical mistakes and illnesses acquired in hospitals are totalled up, mainstream medicine is the number two killer in this country. And some of us think that the more of the same is somehow an answer for healthcare? Already, our country spends more per capita on drugs and mainstream medicine by far than any other country in the world. And yet we rank 47th in lifespan as of 2004, down from 12th only two decades earlier, and for the first time in ages our average lifespan is actually declining. Infant mortality has taken a similar plunge. Those are not trends I would like to see continue, and that is exactly what is likely to happen with the healthcare system that is presently proposed. oleander soup , Alma Lalonde <almalalonde wrote:>> I have been following your emails about this issue for a few days. Your main concern is your right to choose, I can respect that. However, as others have mentioned repeatedly many of these rights that you are so worried about losing are already old news. You fail to be concerned about the millions of people that die and are presently living with no health care. They are your neighbors, your gardeners and some our own children. You are worried about your rights I am concerned more about equity. We all deserve medical care even if the system fails us sometimes. Obama's plan is not a perfect solution, we'll never have that but I am willing to risk it to help the masses rather than preserve my right to unlimited medical care. Which by the way doesn't exist, insurance co. already determine what medical care you can obtain. > > > Alma> > > > > ________________________________> Tony oleander soup > Tuesday, August 4, 2009 3:51:56 PM> Re: Obama's deception from Darlene> > > No, that is not true at all. We the people vastly outnumber the evil and greedy ones who seek to enslave and abuse us. It is simply a matter of waking up and refusing to submit to tyranny.> We've already breached politics here and I surely hate to get into religion - but I will point out that God's people have suffered abominably in the past and if one is to believe in the prophecies of Revelations there will come a time of prolonged suffering when Satan rules.> None of which means that we give in or that we do not do what we know to be right and stand up for what we know to be our rights.> A very good start would be to support the bills introduced by Ron Paul to help reign in the censorship of our supplements and food, as well as his bill to audit the Fed.> No matter what, I am going to be here working and fighting to help people beat cancer and live longer, healthier and happier lives without getting trapped into mainstream drugs and managed for profit healthcare that treats symptoms and prevents and cures virtually nothing.> Tony> > oleander soup, rleeh2001@ . wrote:> >> > If Tony is correct you can hand you soul to God because you life will not > > be worth saving, you won't want to survive from cancer or anything else.> > That is like saying that God has turn us over to the devil, and I don't > > believe that.> > > > > > In a message dated 8/4/2009 3:06:16 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, > > darrae@ writes:> > > > > > > > Right on Tony!!! Anyone can order "The Obama Deception" DVD by going to > > _www.infowars. com_ (http://www. infowars. com/) .> > This is excellent to see and give the info to others. > > > > - > > _Tony_ (@ ...) > > _oleander soup_ (oleandersou p ) > > Tuesday, August 04, 2009 9:13 AM> > OK, time for a rant on Obama and our health> > > > > > > > I usually try to keep politics out of this group - but since the > > abomination of the bill that is being called Obamacare and agriculture regulations > > that favor Big Pharma and Big Food are being rammed down our throats to the > > detriment of our health whether we like it or not, and those regulations > > have come largely from people Obama has appointed to office, I do have some > > things to say. > > First of all, Obama is no spiritual beingl. That is all smoke and mirrors > > and deception, the same as the rest of Obama and the same as his > > completely inexcusable refusal to reveal his original birth certificate or release > > his college records. Far from any savior or "being of light" as one person > > recently described him on another forum, he is merely a new face on the > > latest in a very long string of puppets that have served anything but the > > interests of the common citizens. Being of light? I am not sure that any > > beings of light have ever come out of the corrupt Chicago political > > organization. But perhaps he is a being of light in some respects - such as light > > on experience, light on integrity, light on truth, and light on his feet as > > he tap dances around in front of the cameras pretending to be our savior > > when he is is nothing more than the latest tool of the new world order elite > > to further their agenda. > > Like W. E. B. Griffith and others have tried to tell us, the two party > > system of Republican and Democrat is an engineered box we have been trapped > > into. It is just an illusion - smoke and mirrors and word games - that we > > have been trapped into. They have rigged the game so that it is virtually > > impossible for any other party or and independent candidate to have a chance,> > and further insured control of elections with easily manipulated Diebold > > voting machines (did you know that the people who run that company are > > ex-felons, btw?). At the top, both parties have the same masters and the same > > agenda- they simply approach it from different angles. And you can take > > this to the funny-money bank: no-one gets elected at the top of the ticket > > that has not been vetted and pre-approved by the Bilderburgs. > > If the poor dumbed down, reality show watching, filterd news consuming > > sheeple were not so blind, that should have been imminently apparent during > > Bush's last race which featured two Skull and Bones members squared off > > against one another, and even more apparent when we were tricked into a war of > > mass deception for the sake of big oil and the Halliburton profiteers as > > well as Bush's huge expansion of government, his presidential signings that > > eroded our freedoms, the rushed bail out that did nothing to free up credit > > or help the financial crisis, and his virtual abandonment of the > > conservative principles he espoused during his campaign. > > In the instance of Obama, it is more of the same, just as it would have > > been with McCain - except Obama has the pedal all the way to the floor to > > hasten the New World Order's plans to bring America to her knees and eliminate > > their greatest obstacle to a one-world government by the elite, of the > > elite and for the elite. I will point out that no administration has ever had > > the number of Council of Foreign Relations, Trilateral Commission, and > > Bilderburg members as Obama's. His choice for Healthcare was a Merck insider > > and, though he had to withdraw in scandal due to failure to pay taxes, the > > Obamacare bill has his signature all over it. Most of you will recognize > > Merck as the company that brought us Vioxx and, along with their lackeys in > > the FDA, fought to keep it on the market until over 60,000 deaths (more > > than the entire Vietnam War) were attributed to it. And then there is > > Avandia, Fosamax and the horrendous Gardasil vaccine jabs they bribed government > > officials to endorse and even make mandatory for our young school girls. > > Obama's choice to head up Agriculture is a Monsanto insider, and those of > > us who are aware of what is going on in the world recognize Monsanto as the > > most evil of all the giant Agri-biz companies (think GMO, antibiotics in > > meat and roundup ready food crops, along with a plan to control all of our > > seeds). > > Likewise, the people Obama has chosen to run the financial aspects of our > > government are Wallstreet insiders and some of the very same people who > > were in charge of the banks we had to bail out. > > Now, returning once again to the health issues, here is the capper (thus > > far anyway): > > The person who may be responsible for more food-related illness and death > > than anyone in history has just been made the US food safety czar. This is > > no joke.> > > > Here's the back story.> > > > When FDA scientists were asked to weigh in on what was to become the most > > radical and potentially dangerous change in our food supply -- the > > introduction of genetically modified (GM) foods -- secret documents now reveal that > > the experts were very concerned. Memo after memo described toxins, new > > diseases, nutritional deficiencies, and hard-to-detect allergens. They were > > adamant that the technology carried "serious health hazards," and required > > careful, long-term research, including human studies, before any genetically > > modified organisms (GMOs) could be safely released into the food supply.> > > > But the biotech industry had rigged the game so that neither _Science_ > > (http://www. curezone. com/c/?/forums/ f.asp?f=443) nor scientists would stand in > > their way. They had placed their own man in charge of FDA policy and he > > wasn't going to be swayed by feeble arguments related to food safety. No, he > > was going to do what corporations had done for decades to get past these > > types of pesky concerns. He was going to lie.> > > > Dangerous Food Safety Lies> > > > When the FDA was constructing their _GMO_ (http://www. curezone. com/c/?> > /abbreviations. asp) policy in 1991-2, their scientists were clear that > > gene-sliced foods were significantly different and could lead to "different risks" > > than conventional foods. But official policy declared the opposite, > > claiming that the FDA knew nothing of significant differences, and declared GMOs > > substantially equivalent.> > > > This fiction became the rationale for allowing _GM_ > > (http://www. curezone. com/c/?/abbrevia tions.asp) foods on the market without any required safety > > studies whatsoever! The determination of whether GM foods were safe to eat > > was placed entirely in the hands of the companies that made them -- > > companies like Monsanto, which told us that the PCBs, DDT, and Agent Orange were > > safe.> > > > GMOs were rushed onto our plates in 1996. Over the next nine years, > > multiple chronic illnesses in the US nearly doubled -- from 7% to 13%. > > Allergy-related emergency room visits doubled between 1997 and 2002 while food > > allergies, especially among children, skyrocketed. We also witnessed a dramatic > > rise in asthma, autism, obesity, diabetes, digestive disorders, and certain > > cancers.> > > > In January of this year, Dr. P. M. Bhargava, one of the world's top > > biologists, told me that after reviewing 600 scientific journals, he concluded > > that the GM foods in the US are largely responsible for the increase in many > > serious diseases.> > > > In May, the American Academy of Environmental Medicine concluded that > > animal studies have demonstrated a causal relationship between GM foods and > > infertility, accelerated aging, dysfunctional insulin regulation, changes in > > major organs and the gastrointestinal system, and immune problems such as > > asthma, allergies, and inflammation> > > > In July, a report by eight international experts determined that the > > flimsy and superficial evaluations of GMOs by both regulators and GM companies > > "systematically overlook the side effects" and significantly underestimate > > "the initial signs of diseases like cancer and diseases of the hormonal, > > immune, nervous and reproductive systems, among others."> > > > The Fox Guarding the Chickens> > > > If GMOs are indeed responsible for massive sickness and death, then the > > individual who oversaw the FDA policy that facilitated their introduction > > holds a uniquely infamous role in human history. That person is Michael > > Taylor. He had been Monsanto's attorney before becoming policy chief at the FDA. > > Soon after, he became Monsanto's vice president and chief lobbyist.> > > > This month Michael Taylor became the senior advisor to the commissioner of > > the FDA. He is now America's food safety czar. What have we done?> > > > The Milk Man Cometh> > > > While Taylor was at the FDA in the early 90's, he also oversaw the policy > > regarding Monsanto's genetically engineered bovine growth hormone > > (rbGH/rbST) -- injected into cows to increase milk supply.> > > > The milk from injected cows has more pus, more antibiotics, more bovine > > growth hormone, and most importantly, more insulin-like growth factor 1 > > (IGF-1). IGF-1 is a huge risk factor for common cancers and its high levels in > > this drugged milk is why so many medical organizations and hospitals have > > taken stands against rbGH. A former Monsanto scientist told me that when > > three of his Monsanto colleagues evaluated rbGH safety and discovered the > > elevated IGF-1 levels, even they refused to drink any more milk -- unless it was > > organic and therefore untreated.> > > > Government scientists from Canada evaluated the FDA's approval of rbGH and > > concluded that it was a dangerous facade. The drug was banned in Canada, > > as well as Europe, Japan, Australia and New Zealand. But it was approved in > > the US while Michael Taylor was in charge. His drugged milk might have > > caused a significant rise in US cancer rates. Additional published evidence > > also implicates rbGH in the high rate of fraternal twins in the US.> > > > Taylor also determined that milk from injected cows did not require any > > special labeling. And as a gift to his future employer Monsanto, he wrote a > > white paper suggesting that if companies ever had the audacity to label > > their products as not using rbGH, they should also include a disclaimer stating > > that according to the FDA, there is no difference between milk from > > treated and untreated cows.> > > > Taylor's disclaimer was also a lie. Monsanto's own studies and FDA > > scientists officially acknowledged differences in the drugged milk. No matter. > > Monsanto used Taylor's white paper as the basis to successfully sue dairies > > that labeled their products as rbGH-free.> > > > Will Monsanto's Wolff Also Guard the Chickens?> > > > As consumers learned that rbGH was dangerous, they refused to buy the > > milk. To keep their customers, a tidal wave of companies has publicly committed > > to not use the drug and to label their products as such. Monsanto tried > > unsuccessfully to convince the FDA and FTC to make it illegal for dairies to > > make rbGH-free claims, so they went to their special friend in Pennsylvania > > -- Dennis Wolff. As state secretary of agriculture, Wolff unilaterally > > declared that labeling products rbGH-free was illegal, and that all such > > labels must be removed from shelves statewide. This would, of course, eliminate > > the label from all national brands, as they couldn't afford to create > > separate packaging for just one state.> > > > Fortunately, consumer demand forced Pennsylvania' Fortunately, consumer > > demand forced Pennsylvania'<WBR>s Governor Ed Rendell to step in and stop > > Wolff's madness. But Rendell allowed Wolff to take a compromised position that > > now requires rbGH-free claims to also be > > > > President Obama is considering Dennis Wolff for the top food safety post > > at the USDA. Yikes!> > > > Rumor has it that the reason why Pennsylvania' Rumor has it that the > > reason why Pennsylvania'<WBR>s governor is supporting Wolff's appointment is to > > get him out of the state -- after he "screwed up so badly" > > > > Ohio Governor Gets Taylor-itus> > > > Ohio not only followed Pennsylvania' Ohio not only followed > > Pennsylvania'<WBR>s lead by requiring Tawent a step further. They declared that dairies > > must place that disclaimer on the same panel where rbGH-free claims are made, > > and even dictated the font size. This would force national brands to > > re-design their labels and may ultimately dissuade them from making rbGH-free > > claims at all. The Organic Trade Association and the International Dairy > > Foods Association filed a lawsuit against Ohio. Although they lost the first > > court battle, upon appeal, the judge ordered a mediation session that takes > > place today. Thousands of Ohio citizens have flooded Governor Strickland's > > office with urgent requests to withdraw the states anti-consumer labeling > > requirements.> > > > Perhaps the governor has an ulterior motive for pushing his new rules. If > > he goes ahead with his labeling plans, he might end up with a top > > appointment in the Obama administration. > > The truth is ugly sometimes, but knowing it may set you free. Once upon a > > time I was quite the liberal Democrat, and I am certainly no Republican > > today. But neither am I blind as I once was and I am very much involved in > > the efforts to insure health freedom and to restore liberty and freedom to > > the sovereign citizens of the sovereign states of the federal republic of > > the United States of America. > > OK, off my soapbox. This is not an invitation to begin a political > > debate, as that will detract from the main purpose of this group - beating and > > avoiding cancer and living longer, healthier and happier lives. But it had > > to be said. > > Tony > > > > oleander soup@ In oleanoleanderso-- - In oleande> > >> > > Can't you people see behind the seen, Obama is doing just exactly what > > he > > > need to do, you people need to look deeper than the surface to see what > > is > > > really going on.> > > This is not business as usual, that ended with George Bush, this is a > > > completely different chapter. > > > Obama is a Spiritual person, with intentions and a soul contract to > > bring > > > Heaven to Earth, the Golden Age,. . . (pardon me while I barf - Tony)> >> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 5, 2009 Report Share Posted August 5, 2009 Ron Paul: President in 2012!!! oleander soup , " Tony " wrote: > > > No, that is not true at all. We the people vastly outnumber the evil > and greedy ones who seek to enslave and abuse us. It is simply a matter > of waking up and refusing to submit to tyranny. > > We've already breached politics here and I surely hate to get into > religion - but I will point out that God's people have suffered > abominably in the past and if one is to believe in the prophecies of > Revelations there will come a time of prolonged suffering when Satan > rules. > > None of which means that we give in or that we do not do what we know to > be right and stand up for what we know to be our rights. > > A very good start would be to support the bills introduced by Ron Paul > to help reign in the censorship of our supplements and food, as well as > his bill to audit the Fed. > > No matter what, I am going to be here working and fighting to help > people beat cancer and live longer, healthier and happier lives without > getting trapped into mainstream drugs and managed for profit healthcare > that treats symptoms and prevents and cures virtually nothing. > > > > > oleander soup , rleeh2001@ wrote: > > > > If Tony is correct you can hand you soul to God because you life will > not > > be worth saving, you won't want to survive from cancer or anything > else. > > That is like saying that God has turn us over to the devil, and I > don't > > believe that. > > > > > > In a message dated 8/4/2009 3:06:16 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, > > darrae@ writes: > > > > > > > > Right on Tony!!! Anyone can order " The Obama Deception " DVD by going > to > > _www.infowars.com_ (http://www.infowars.com/) . > > This is excellent to see and give the info to others. > > > > - > > _Tony_ (@) > > _oleander soup _ > (oleander soup ) > > Tuesday, August 04, 2009 9:13 AM > > OK, time for a rant on Obama and our health > > > > > > > > I usually try to keep politics out of this group - but since the > > abomination of the bill that is being called Obamacare and agriculture > regulations > > that favor Big Pharma and Big Food are being rammed down our throats > to the > > detriment of our health whether we like it or not, and those > regulations > > have come largely from people Obama has appointed to office, I do have > some > > things to say. > > First of all, Obama is no spiritual beingl. That is all smoke and > mirrors > > and deception, the same as the rest of Obama and the same as his > > completely inexcusable refusal to reveal his original birth > certificate or release > > his college records. Far from any savior or " being of light " as one > person > > recently described him on another forum, he is merely a new face on > the > > latest in a very long string of puppets that have served anything but > the > > interests of the common citizens. Being of light? I am not sure that > any > > beings of light have ever come out of the corrupt Chicago political > > organization. But perhaps he is a being of light in some respects - > such as light > > on experience, light on integrity, light on truth, and light on his > feet as > > he tap dances around in front of the cameras pretending to be our > savior > > when he is is nothing more than the latest tool of the new world order > elite > > to further their agenda. > > Like W. E. B. Griffith and others have tried to tell us, the two party > > system of Republican and Democrat is an engineered box we have been > trapped > > into. It is just an illusion - smoke and mirrors and word games - that > we > > have been trapped into. They have rigged the game so that it is > virtually > > impossible for any other party or and independent candidate to have a > chance, > > and further insured control of elections with easily manipulated > Diebold > > voting machines (did you know that the people who run that company are > > ex-felons, btw?). At the top, both parties have the same masters and > the same > > agenda- they simply approach it from different angles. And you can > take > > this to the funny-money bank: no-one gets elected at the top of the > ticket > > that has not been vetted and pre-approved by the Bilderburgs. > > If the poor dumbed down, reality show watching, filterd news consuming > > sheeple were not so blind, that should have been imminently apparent > during > > Bush's last race which featured two Skull and Bones members squared > off > > against one another, and even more apparent when we were tricked into > a war of > > mass deception for the sake of big oil and the Halliburton profiteers > as > > well as Bush's huge expansion of government, his presidential signings > that > > eroded our freedoms, the rushed bail out that did nothing to free up > credit > > or help the financial crisis, and his virtual abandonment of the > > conservative principles he espoused during his campaign. > > In the instance of Obama, it is more of the same, just as it would > have > > been with McCain - except Obama has the pedal all the way to the floor > to > > hasten the New World Order's plans to bring America to her knees and > eliminate > > their greatest obstacle to a one-world government by the elite, of the > > elite and for the elite. I will point out that no administration has > ever had > > the number of Council of Foreign Relations, Trilateral Commission, and > > Bilderburg members as Obama's. His choice for Healthcare was a Merck > insider > > and, though he had to withdraw in scandal due to failure to pay taxes, > the > > Obamacare bill has his signature all over it. Most of you will > recognize > > Merck as the company that brought us Vioxx and, along with their > lackeys in > > the FDA, fought to keep it on the market until over 60,000 deaths > (more > > than the entire Vietnam War) were attributed to it. And then there is > > Avandia, Fosamax and the horrendous Gardasil vaccine jabs they bribed > government > > officials to endorse and even make mandatory for our young school > girls. > > Obama's choice to head up Agriculture is a Monsanto insider, and those > of > > us who are aware of what is going on in the world recognize Monsanto > as the > > most evil of all the giant Agri-biz companies (think GMO, antibiotics > in > > meat and roundup ready food crops, along with a plan to control all of > our > > seeds). > > Likewise, the people Obama has chosen to run the financial aspects of > our > > government are Wallstreet insiders and some of the very same people > who > > were in charge of the banks we had to bail out. > > Now, returning once again to the health issues, here is the capper > (thus > > far anyway): > > The person who may be responsible for more food-related illness and > death > > than anyone in history has just been made the US food safety czar. > This is > > no joke. > > > > Here's the back story. > > > > When FDA scientists were asked to weigh in on what was to become the > most > > radical and potentially dangerous change in our food supply -- the > > introduction of genetically modified (GM) foods -- secret documents > now reveal that > > the experts were very concerned. Memo after memo described toxins, new > > diseases, nutritional deficiencies, and hard-to-detect allergens. They > were > > adamant that the technology carried " serious health hazards, " and > required > > careful, long-term research, including human studies, before any > genetically > > modified organisms (GMOs) could be safely released into the food > supply. > > > > But the biotech industry had rigged the game so that neither _Science_ > > (http://www.curezone.com/c/?/forums/f.asp?f=443) nor scientists would > stand in > > their way. They had placed their own man in charge of FDA policy and > he > > wasn't going to be swayed by feeble arguments related to food safety. > No, he > > was going to do what corporations had done for decades to get past > these > > types of pesky concerns. He was going to lie. > > > > Dangerous Food Safety Lies > > > > When the FDA was constructing their _GMO_ (http://www.curezone.com/c/? > > /abbreviations.asp) policy in 1991-2, their scientists were clear that > > gene-sliced foods were significantly different and could lead to > " different risks " > > than conventional foods. But official policy declared the opposite, > > claiming that the FDA knew nothing of significant differences, and > declared GMOs > > substantially equivalent. > > > > This fiction became the rationale for allowing _GM_ > > (http://www.curezone.com/c/?/abbreviations.asp) foods on the market > without any required safety > > studies whatsoever! The determination of whether GM foods were safe to > eat > > was placed entirely in the hands of the companies that made them -- > > companies like Monsanto, which told us that the PCBs, DDT, and Agent > Orange were > > safe. > > > > GMOs were rushed onto our plates in 1996. Over the next nine years, > > multiple chronic illnesses in the US nearly doubled -- from 7% to 13%. > > Allergy-related emergency room visits doubled between 1997 and 2002 > while food > > allergies, especially among children, skyrocketed. We also witnessed a > dramatic > > rise in asthma, autism, obesity, diabetes, digestive disorders, and > certain > > cancers. > > > > In January of this year, Dr. P. M. Bhargava, one of the world's top > > biologists, told me that after reviewing 600 scientific journals, he > concluded > > that the GM foods in the US are largely responsible for the increase > in many > > serious diseases. > > > > In May, the American Academy of Environmental Medicine concluded that > > animal studies have demonstrated a causal relationship between GM > foods and > > infertility, accelerated aging, dysfunctional insulin regulation, > changes in > > major organs and the gastrointestinal system, and immune problems such > as > > asthma, allergies, and inflammation > > > > In July, a report by eight international experts determined that the > > flimsy and superficial evaluations of GMOs by both regulators and GM > companies > > " systematically overlook the side effects " and significantly > underestimate > > " the initial signs of diseases like cancer and diseases of the > hormonal, > > immune, nervous and reproductive systems, among others. " > > > > The Fox Guarding the Chickens > > > > If GMOs are indeed responsible for massive sickness and death, then > the > > individual who oversaw the FDA policy that facilitated their > introduction > > holds a uniquely infamous role in human history. That person is > Michael > > Taylor. He had been Monsanto's attorney before becoming policy chief > at the FDA. > > Soon after, he became Monsanto's vice president and chief lobbyist. > > > > This month Michael Taylor became the senior advisor to the > commissioner of > > the FDA. He is now America's food safety czar. What have we done? > > > > The Milk Man Cometh > > > > While Taylor was at the FDA in the early 90's, he also oversaw the > policy > > regarding Monsanto's genetically engineered bovine growth hormone > > (rbGH/rbST) -- injected into cows to increase milk supply. > > > > The milk from injected cows has more pus, more antibiotics, more > bovine > > growth hormone, and most importantly, more insulin-like growth factor > 1 > > (IGF-1). IGF-1 is a huge risk factor for common cancers and its high > levels in > > this drugged milk is why so many medical organizations and hospitals > have > > taken stands against rbGH. A former Monsanto scientist told me that > when > > three of his Monsanto colleagues evaluated rbGH safety and discovered > the > > elevated IGF-1 levels, even they refused to drink any more milk -- > unless it was > > organic and therefore untreated. > > > > Government scientists from Canada evaluated the FDA's approval of rbGH > and > > concluded that it was a dangerous facade. The drug was banned in > Canada, > > as well as Europe, Japan, Australia and New Zealand. But it was > approved in > > the US while Michael Taylor was in charge. His drugged milk might have > > caused a significant rise in US cancer rates. Additional published > evidence > > also implicates rbGH in the high rate of fraternal twins in the US. > > > > Taylor also determined that milk from injected cows did not require > any > > special labeling. And as a gift to his future employer Monsanto, he > wrote a > > white paper suggesting that if companies ever had the audacity to > label > > their products as not using rbGH, they should also include a > disclaimer stating > > that according to the FDA, there is no difference between milk from > > treated and untreated cows. > > > > Taylor's disclaimer was also a lie. Monsanto's own studies and FDA > > scientists officially acknowledged differences in the drugged milk. No > matter. > > Monsanto used Taylor's white paper as the basis to successfully sue > dairies > > that labeled their products as rbGH-free. > > > > Will Monsanto's Wolff Also Guard the Chickens? > > > > As consumers learned that rbGH was dangerous, they refused to buy the > > milk. To keep their customers, a tidal wave of companies has publicly > committed > > to not use the drug and to label their products as such. Monsanto > tried > > unsuccessfully to convince the FDA and FTC to make it illegal for > dairies to > > make rbGH-free claims, so they went to their special friend in > Pennsylvania > > -- Dennis Wolff. As state secretary of agriculture, Wolff unilaterally > > declared that labeling products rbGH-free was illegal, and that all > such > > labels must be removed from shelves statewide. This would, of course, > eliminate > > the label from all national brands, as they couldn't afford to create > > separate packaging for just one state. > > > > Fortunately, consumer demand forced Pennsylvania'Fortunately, consumer > > demand forced Pennsylvania'<WBR>s Governor Ed Rendell to step in and > stop > > Wolff's madness. But Rendell allowed Wolff to take a compromised > position that > > now requires rbGH-free claims to also be > > > > President Obama is considering Dennis Wolff for the top food safety > post > > at the USDA. Yikes! > > > > Rumor has it that the reason why Pennsylvania'Rumor has it that the > > reason why Pennsylvania'<WBR>s governor is supporting Wolff's > appointment is to > > get him out of the state -- after he " screwed up so badly " > > > > Ohio Governor Gets Taylor-itus > > > > Ohio not only followed Pennsylvania'Ohio not only followed > > Pennsylvania'<WBR>s lead by requiring Tawent a step further. They > declared that dairies > > must place that disclaimer on the same panel where rbGH-free claims > are made, > > and even dictated the font size. This would force national brands to > > re-design their labels and may ultimately dissuade them from making > rbGH-free > > claims at all. The Organic Trade Association and the International > Dairy > > Foods Association filed a lawsuit against Ohio. Although they lost the > first > > court battle, upon appeal, the judge ordered a mediation session that > takes > > place today. Thousands of Ohio citizens have flooded Governor > Strickland's > > office with urgent requests to withdraw the states anti-consumer > labeling > > requirements. > > > > Perhaps the governor has an ulterior motive for pushing his new rules. > If > > he goes ahead with his labeling plans, he might end up with a top > > appointment in the Obama administration. > > The truth is ugly sometimes, but knowing it may set you free. Once > upon a > > time I was quite the liberal Democrat, and I am certainly no > Republican > > today. But neither am I blind as I once was and I am very much > involved in > > the efforts to insure health freedom and to restore liberty and > freedom to > > the sovereign citizens of the sovereign states of the federal republic > of > > the United States of America. > > OK, off my soapbox. This is not an invitation to begin a political > > debate, as that will detract from the main purpose of this group - > beating and > > avoiding cancer and living longer, healthier and happier lives. But it > had > > to be said. > > > > > > oleander soup@ In oleanoleandersooleande > > > > > > Can't you people see behind the seen, Obama is doing just exactly > what > > he > > > need to do, you people need to look deeper than the surface to see > what > > is > > > really going on. > > > This is not business as usual, that ended with George Bush, this is > a > > > completely different chapter. > > > Obama is a Spiritual person, with intentions and a soul contract to > > bring > > > Heaven to Earth, the Golden Age,. . . (pardon me while I barf - > Tony) > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 5, 2009 Report Share Posted August 5, 2009 Just a clarification: Millions of people in THIS country have not died due to lack of health care. It is available to everyone at the ER. That system works. Everyone in this country can get health care, and it is free for those that can't pay, right now. What is needed is to, as Tony says, find a way to prevent the government from shilling for big Pharma and MSM in order to reduce costs, but this legislation only takes us the other way! Ted oleander soup , " Tony " wrote: > > > Well, first of all I have not been writing about this issue for a few > days to begin with - at least not in this forum. Losing our rights may > be old news, but that does not make it right nor does it mean that we do > not have the means to regain those rights. And, as clearly stated by > our forefathers when they crafted the Declaration of Indpendence, it is > not only our right but our patriotic duty to either change or replace > any form of government that becomes nonresponsive to the rights and > freedoms of its citizens. > > Now, as regards health care - our founding fathers never intended for > our government to care for us from cradle to grave. Nowhere in their > writings or in the constitution will you find their intentions for the > government to feed, house, clothe and educate us, nor did they intend > government to provide health care or to mandate what does and does not > constitute acceptible health care and medicine. That is a top heavy > nanny state that is the antithesis of a weak federal government that is > the servant of the individual sovereign states and sovereign citizens as > intended by our forefathers. No matter how laudible it may appear on > paper it is a formula that carries us further away from freedom and > personal responsibility and further down the road to socialism. Quite > simply, the more control one gives to government the less freedom one > has. > > Now, I think that it is fine and good for the government to provide some > safety nets to ensure access to healthcare for one and all, the same as > I do education, housing and food - but look what the solution has been > when it comes to government provided housing and food: generations > trapped into substandard housing in crime ridden and drug infested > neighborhoods and being duped into feeling beholden to the same > politicians who condemn them to second class citizenship even as they > pander for their votes and make speeches about how they care for the > less privileged. And just look at education - where what is taught is > mandated by the government and is used as a tool of the state to mold > our thoughts and actions so that we better serve the elite. > > I would love to see true healthcare available for one and all, but I am > not in favor of any form of government health care or any form of > insurance period that ignores natural healing such as mankind has used > successfully, and 80% of the world continues to use, for thousands of > years. If more attention were given to telling the truth about > nutrition, lifestyle, prevention and the wondrous healing that is > available from natural herbs and botanicals, instead of lies and > suppression of natural health and government agencies that serve as > protection rackets for big medicine and big food, we could slash our > healthcare costs to a mere fraction of what they are now and healthcare > might be affordable for everyone. A system that relies on mainstream > drugs and managing symptoms will only further serve to erode our access > to alternative healing and put us more firmly under the control of Big > Pharma and mainstream medicine than we are now. > > While I will grant you that millions of people have died and suffered > because they have not had access to health care, I would also contend > that many millions more have died because the healthcare we do have is > firmly in the hands of those who care more about profits and their > bottom line than they do about actually healing us. When deaths due to > side effects from mainstream drugs, medical mistakes and illnesses > acquired in hospitals are totalled up, mainstream medicine is the number > two killer in this country. And some of us think that the more of the > same is somehow an answer for healthcare? > > Already, our country spends more per capita on drugs and mainstream > medicine by far than any other country in the world. And yet we rank > 47th in lifespan as of 2004, down from 12th only two decades earlier, > and for the first time in ages our average lifespan is actually > declining. Infant mortality has taken a similar plunge. Those are not > trends I would like to see continue, and that is exactly what is likely > to happen with the healthcare system that is presently proposed. > > > > oleander soup , Alma Lalonde <almalalonde@> > wrote: > > > > I have been following your emails about this issue for a few days. > Your main concern is your right to choose, I can respect that. However, > as others have mentioned repeatedly many of these rights that you are so > worried about losing are already old news. You fail to be concerned > about the millions of people that die and are presently living with no > health care. They are your neighbors, your gardeners and some our own > children. You are worried about your rights I am concerned more about > equity. We all deserve medical care even if the system fails us > sometimes. Obama's plan is not a perfect solution, we'll never have that > but I am willing to risk it to help the masses rather than preserve my > right to unlimited medical care. Which by the way doesn't exist, > insurance co. already determine what medical care you can obtain. > > > > > > Alma > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ > > Tony @ > > oleander soup > > Tuesday, August 4, 2009 3:51:56 PM > > Re: Obama's deception from Darlene > > > > > > No, that is not true at all. We the people vastly outnumber the evil > and greedy ones who seek to enslave and abuse us. It is simply a matter > of waking up and refusing to submit to tyranny. > > We've already breached politics here and I surely hate to get into > religion - but I will point out that God's people have suffered > abominably in the past and if one is to believe in the prophecies of > Revelations there will come a time of prolonged suffering when Satan > rules. > > None of which means that we give in or that we do not do what we know > to be right and stand up for what we know to be our rights. > > A very good start would be to support the bills introduced by Ron Paul > to help reign in the censorship of our supplements and food, as well as > his bill to audit the Fed. > > No matter what, I am going to be here working and fighting to help > people beat cancer and live longer, healthier and happier lives without > getting trapped into mainstream drugs and managed for profit healthcare > that treats symptoms and prevents and cures virtually nothing. > > > > > > oleander soup, rleeh2001@ . wrote: > > > > > > If Tony is correct you can hand you soul to God because you life > will not > > > be worth saving, you won't want to survive from cancer or anything > else. > > > That is like saying that God has turn us over to the devil, and I > don't > > > believe that. > > > > > > > > > In a message dated 8/4/2009 3:06:16 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, > > > darrae@ writes: > > > > > > > > > > > > Right on Tony!!! Anyone can order " The Obama Deception " DVD by going > to > > > _www.infowars. com_ (http://www. infowars. com/) . > > > This is excellent to see and give the info to others. > > > > > > - > > > _Tony_ (@ ...) > > > _oleander soup_ (oleandersou > p ) > > > Tuesday, August 04, 2009 9:13 AM > > > OK, time for a rant on Obama and our health > > > > > > > > > > > > I usually try to keep politics out of this group - but since the > > > abomination of the bill that is being called Obamacare and > agriculture regulations > > > that favor Big Pharma and Big Food are being rammed down our throats > to the > > > detriment of our health whether we like it or not, and those > regulations > > > have come largely from people Obama has appointed to office, I do > have some > > > things to say. > > > First of all, Obama is no spiritual beingl. That is all smoke and > mirrors > > > and deception, the same as the rest of Obama and the same as his > > > completely inexcusable refusal to reveal his original birth > certificate or release > > > his college records. Far from any savior or " being of light " as one > person > > > recently described him on another forum, he is merely a new face on > the > > > latest in a very long string of puppets that have served anything > but the > > > interests of the common citizens. Being of light? I am not sure that > any > > > beings of light have ever come out of the corrupt Chicago political > > > organization. But perhaps he is a being of light in some respects - > such as light > > > on experience, light on integrity, light on truth, and light on his > feet as > > > he tap dances around in front of the cameras pretending to be our > savior > > > when he is is nothing more than the latest tool of the new world > order elite > > > to further their agenda. > > > Like W. E. B. Griffith and others have tried to tell us, the two > party > > > system of Republican and Democrat is an engineered box we have been > trapped > > > into. It is just an illusion - smoke and mirrors and word games - > that we > > > have been trapped into. They have rigged the game so that it is > virtually > > > impossible for any other party or and independent candidate to have > a chance, > > > and further insured control of elections with easily manipulated > Diebold > > > voting machines (did you know that the people who run that company > are > > > ex-felons, btw?). At the top, both parties have the same masters and > the same > > > agenda- they simply approach it from different angles. And you can > take > > > this to the funny-money bank: no-one gets elected at the top of the > ticket > > > that has not been vetted and pre-approved by the Bilderburgs. > > > If the poor dumbed down, reality show watching, filterd news > consuming > > > sheeple were not so blind, that should have been imminently apparent > during > > > Bush's last race which featured two Skull and Bones members squared > off > > > against one another, and even more apparent when we were tricked > into a war of > > > mass deception for the sake of big oil and the Halliburton > profiteers as > > > well as Bush's huge expansion of government, his presidential > signings that > > > eroded our freedoms, the rushed bail out that did nothing to free up > credit > > > or help the financial crisis, and his virtual abandonment of the > > > conservative principles he espoused during his campaign. > > > In the instance of Obama, it is more of the same, just as it would > have > > > been with McCain - except Obama has the pedal all the way to the > floor to > > > hasten the New World Order's plans to bring America to her knees and > eliminate > > > their greatest obstacle to a one-world government by the elite, of > the > > > elite and for the elite. I will point out that no administration has > ever had > > > the number of Council of Foreign Relations, Trilateral Commission, > and > > > Bilderburg members as Obama's. His choice for Healthcare was a Merck > insider > > > and, though he had to withdraw in scandal due to failure to pay > taxes, the > > > Obamacare bill has his signature all over it. Most of you will > recognize > > > Merck as the company that brought us Vioxx and, along with their > lackeys in > > > the FDA, fought to keep it on the market until over 60,000 deaths > (more > > > than the entire Vietnam War) were attributed to it. And then there > is > > > Avandia, Fosamax and the horrendous Gardasil vaccine jabs they > bribed government > > > officials to endorse and even make mandatory for our young school > girls. > > > Obama's choice to head up Agriculture is a Monsanto insider, and > those of > > > us who are aware of what is going on in the world recognize Monsanto > as the > > > most evil of all the giant Agri-biz companies (think GMO, > antibiotics in > > > meat and roundup ready food crops, along with a plan to control all > of our > > > seeds). > > > Likewise, the people Obama has chosen to run the financial aspects > of our > > > government are Wallstreet insiders and some of the very same people > who > > > were in charge of the banks we had to bail out. > > > Now, returning once again to the health issues, here is the capper > (thus > > > far anyway): > > > The person who may be responsible for more food-related illness and > death > > > than anyone in history has just been made the US food safety czar. > This is > > > no joke. > > > > > > Here's the back story. > > > > > > When FDA scientists were asked to weigh in on what was to become the > most > > > radical and potentially dangerous change in our food supply -- the > > > introduction of genetically modified (GM) foods -- secret documents > now reveal that > > > the experts were very concerned. Memo after memo described toxins, > new > > > diseases, nutritional deficiencies, and hard-to-detect allergens. > They were > > > adamant that the technology carried " serious health hazards, " and > required > > > careful, long-term research, including human studies, before any > genetically > > > modified organisms (GMOs) could be safely released into the food > supply. > > > > > > But the biotech industry had rigged the game so that neither > _Science_ > > > (http://www. curezone. com/c/?/forums/ f.asp?f=443) nor scientists > would stand in > > > their way. They had placed their own man in charge of FDA policy and > he > > > wasn't going to be swayed by feeble arguments related to food > safety. No, he > > > was going to do what corporations had done for decades to get past > these > > > types of pesky concerns. He was going to lie. > > > > > > Dangerous Food Safety Lies > > > > > > When the FDA was constructing their _GMO_ (http://www. curezone. > com/c/? > > > /abbreviations. asp) policy in 1991-2, their scientists were clear > that > > > gene-sliced foods were significantly different and could lead to > " different risks " > > > than conventional foods. But official policy declared the opposite, > > > claiming that the FDA knew nothing of significant differences, and > declared GMOs > > > substantially equivalent. > > > > > > This fiction became the rationale for allowing _GM_ > > > (http://www. curezone. com/c/?/abbrevia tions.asp) foods on the > market without any required safety > > > studies whatsoever! The determination of whether GM foods were safe > to eat > > > was placed entirely in the hands of the companies that made them -- > > > companies like Monsanto, which told us that the PCBs, DDT, and Agent > Orange were > > > safe. > > > > > > GMOs were rushed onto our plates in 1996. Over the next nine years, > > > multiple chronic illnesses in the US nearly doubled -- from 7% to > 13%. > > > Allergy-related emergency room visits doubled between 1997 and 2002 > while food > > > allergies, especially among children, skyrocketed. We also witnessed > a dramatic > > > rise in asthma, autism, obesity, diabetes, digestive disorders, and > certain > > > cancers. > > > > > > In January of this year, Dr. P. M. Bhargava, one of the world's top > > > biologists, told me that after reviewing 600 scientific journals, he > concluded > > > that the GM foods in the US are largely responsible for the increase > in many > > > serious diseases. > > > > > > In May, the American Academy of Environmental Medicine concluded > that > > > animal studies have demonstrated a causal relationship between GM > foods and > > > infertility, accelerated aging, dysfunctional insulin regulation, > changes in > > > major organs and the gastrointestinal system, and immune problems > such as > > > asthma, allergies, and inflammation > > > > > > In July, a report by eight international experts determined that the > > > flimsy and superficial evaluations of GMOs by both regulators and GM > companies > > > " systematically overlook the side effects " and significantly > underestimate > > > " the initial signs of diseases like cancer and diseases of the > hormonal, > > > immune, nervous and reproductive systems, among others. " > > > > > > The Fox Guarding the Chickens > > > > > > If GMOs are indeed responsible for massive sickness and death, then > the > > > individual who oversaw the FDA policy that facilitated their > introduction > > > holds a uniquely infamous role in human history. That person is > Michael > > > Taylor. He had been Monsanto's attorney before becoming policy chief > at the FDA. > > > Soon after, he became Monsanto's vice president and chief lobbyist. > > > > > > This month Michael Taylor became the senior advisor to the > commissioner of > > > the FDA. He is now America's food safety czar. What have we done? > > > > > > The Milk Man Cometh > > > > > > While Taylor was at the FDA in the early 90's, he also oversaw the > policy > > > regarding Monsanto's genetically engineered bovine growth hormone > > > (rbGH/rbST) -- injected into cows to increase milk supply. > > > > > > The milk from injected cows has more pus, more antibiotics, more > bovine > > > growth hormone, and most importantly, more insulin-like growth > factor 1 > > > (IGF-1). IGF-1 is a huge risk factor for common cancers and its high > levels in > > > this drugged milk is why so many medical organizations and hospitals > have > > > taken stands against rbGH. A former Monsanto scientist told me that > when > > > three of his Monsanto colleagues evaluated rbGH safety and > discovered the > > > elevated IGF-1 levels, even they refused to drink any more milk -- > unless it was > > > organic and therefore untreated. > > > > > > Government scientists from Canada evaluated the FDA's approval of > rbGH and > > > concluded that it was a dangerous facade. The drug was banned in > Canada, > > > as well as Europe, Japan, Australia and New Zealand. But it was > approved in > > > the US while Michael Taylor was in charge. His drugged milk might > have > > > caused a significant rise in US cancer rates. Additional published > evidence > > > also implicates rbGH in the high rate of fraternal twins in the US. > > > > > > Taylor also determined that milk from injected cows did not require > any > > > special labeling. And as a gift to his future employer Monsanto, he > wrote a > > > white paper suggesting that if companies ever had the audacity to > label > > > their products as not using rbGH, they should also include a > disclaimer stating > > > that according to the FDA, there is no difference between milk from > > > treated and untreated cows. > > > > > > Taylor's disclaimer was also a lie. Monsanto's own studies and FDA > > > scientists officially acknowledged differences in the drugged milk. > No matter. > > > Monsanto used Taylor's white paper as the basis to successfully sue > dairies > > > that labeled their products as rbGH-free. > > > > > > Will Monsanto's Wolff Also Guard the Chickens? > > > > > > As consumers learned that rbGH was dangerous, they refused to buy > the > > > milk. To keep their customers, a tidal wave of companies has > publicly committed > > > to not use the drug and to label their products as such. Monsanto > tried > > > unsuccessfully to convince the FDA and FTC to make it illegal for > dairies to > > > make rbGH-free claims, so they went to their special friend in > Pennsylvania > > > -- Dennis Wolff. As state secretary of agriculture, Wolff > unilaterally > > > declared that labeling products rbGH-free was illegal, and that all > such > > > labels must be removed from shelves statewide. This would, of > course, eliminate > > > the label from all national brands, as they couldn't afford to > create > > > separate packaging for just one state. > > > > > > Fortunately, consumer demand forced Pennsylvania' Fortunately, > consumer > > > demand forced Pennsylvania'<WBR>s Governor Ed Rendell to step in and > stop > > > Wolff's madness. But Rendell allowed Wolff to take a compromised > position that > > > now requires rbGH-free claims to also be > > > > > > President Obama is considering Dennis Wolff for the top food safety > post > > > at the USDA. Yikes! > > > > > > Rumor has it that the reason why Pennsylvania' Rumor has it that the > > > reason why Pennsylvania'<WBR>s governor is supporting Wolff's > appointment is to > > > get him out of the state -- after he " screwed up so badly " > > > > > > Ohio Governor Gets Taylor-itus > > > > > > Ohio not only followed Pennsylvania' Ohio not only followed > > > Pennsylvania'<WBR>s lead by requiring Tawent a step further. They > declared that dairies > > > must place that disclaimer on the same panel where rbGH-free claims > are made, > > > and even dictated the font size. This would force national brands to > > > re-design their labels and may ultimately dissuade them from making > rbGH-free > > > claims at all. The Organic Trade Association and the International > Dairy > > > Foods Association filed a lawsuit against Ohio. Although they lost > the first > > > court battle, upon appeal, the judge ordered a mediation session > that takes > > > place today. Thousands of Ohio citizens have flooded Governor > Strickland's > > > office with urgent requests to withdraw the states anti-consumer > labeling > > > requirements. > > > > > > Perhaps the governor has an ulterior motive for pushing his new > rules. If > > > he goes ahead with his labeling plans, he might end up with a top > > > appointment in the Obama administration. > > > The truth is ugly sometimes, but knowing it may set you free. Once > upon a > > > time I was quite the liberal Democrat, and I am certainly no > Republican > > > today. But neither am I blind as I once was and I am very much > involved in > > > the efforts to insure health freedom and to restore liberty and > freedom to > > > the sovereign citizens of the sovereign states of the federal > republic of > > > the United States of America. > > > OK, off my soapbox. This is not an invitation to begin a political > > > debate, as that will detract from the main purpose of this group - > beating and > > > avoiding cancer and living longer, healthier and happier lives. But > it had > > > to be said. > > > > > > > > > oleander soup@ In oleanoleanderso-- - In oleande > > > > > > > > Can't you people see behind the seen, Obama is doing just exactly > what > > > he > > > > need to do, you people need to look deeper than the surface to see > what > > > is > > > > really going on. > > > > This is not business as usual, that ended with George Bush, this > is a > > > > completely different chapter. > > > > Obama is a Spiritual person, with intentions and a soul contract > to > > > bring > > > > Heaven to Earth, the Golden Age,. . . (pardon me while I barf - > Tony) > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 5, 2009 Report Share Posted August 5, 2009 Maybe not millions, but thousands have. Have you ever gone to an ER for health care? I have. They do send you a bill and if you don't pay it they will take action against you unless you can prove you are indigent. A visit to the ER costs thousands of dollars and if you can't pay, the government picks up the tab which is another reason they want national health care to stop so many people from using the ER for a doctor's office. This also puts a great strain on emergency medicine with so many people clogging up the place for treatment for non-emergency problems. Emergency rooms are no place to get regular medical care if you are diabetic, for instance. Being diabetic can disqualify you from getting private health insurance. I have diabetic friends who, until they reached Medicare age, had to pay out of pocket for their health care. None of them were rich so they were constantly worrying about going bankrupt. oleander soup , " tedsanford " <tedsanford wrote: > > Just a clarification: > Millions of people in THIS country have not died due to lack of health care. It is available to everyone at the ER. That system works. Everyone in this country can get health care, and it is free for those that can't pay, right now. What is needed is to, as Tony says, find a way to prevent the government from shilling for big Pharma and MSM in order to reduce costs, but this legislation only takes us the other way! > Ted > oleander soup , " Tony " @> wrote: > > > > > > Well, first of all I have not been writing about this issue for a few > > days to begin with - at least not in this forum. Losing our rights may > > be old news, but that does not make it right nor does it mean that we do > > not have the means to regain those rights. And, as clearly stated by > > our forefathers when they crafted the Declaration of Indpendence, it is > > not only our right but our patriotic duty to either change or replace > > any form of government that becomes nonresponsive to the rights and > > freedoms of its citizens. > > > > Now, as regards health care - our founding fathers never intended for > > our government to care for us from cradle to grave. Nowhere in their > > writings or in the constitution will you find their intentions for the > > government to feed, house, clothe and educate us, nor did they intend > > government to provide health care or to mandate what does and does not > > constitute acceptible health care and medicine. That is a top heavy > > nanny state that is the antithesis of a weak federal government that is > > the servant of the individual sovereign states and sovereign citizens as > > intended by our forefathers. No matter how laudible it may appear on > > paper it is a formula that carries us further away from freedom and > > personal responsibility and further down the road to socialism. Quite > > simply, the more control one gives to government the less freedom one > > has. > > > > Now, I think that it is fine and good for the government to provide some > > safety nets to ensure access to healthcare for one and all, the same as > > I do education, housing and food - but look what the solution has been > > when it comes to government provided housing and food: generations > > trapped into substandard housing in crime ridden and drug infested > > neighborhoods and being duped into feeling beholden to the same > > politicians who condemn them to second class citizenship even as they > > pander for their votes and make speeches about how they care for the > > less privileged. And just look at education - where what is taught is > > mandated by the government and is used as a tool of the state to mold > > our thoughts and actions so that we better serve the elite. > > > > I would love to see true healthcare available for one and all, but I am > > not in favor of any form of government health care or any form of > > insurance period that ignores natural healing such as mankind has used > > successfully, and 80% of the world continues to use, for thousands of > > years. If more attention were given to telling the truth about > > nutrition, lifestyle, prevention and the wondrous healing that is > > available from natural herbs and botanicals, instead of lies and > > suppression of natural health and government agencies that serve as > > protection rackets for big medicine and big food, we could slash our > > healthcare costs to a mere fraction of what they are now and healthcare > > might be affordable for everyone. A system that relies on mainstream > > drugs and managing symptoms will only further serve to erode our access > > to alternative healing and put us more firmly under the control of Big > > Pharma and mainstream medicine than we are now. > > > > While I will grant you that millions of people have died and suffered > > because they have not had access to health care, I would also contend > > that many millions more have died because the healthcare we do have is > > firmly in the hands of those who care more about profits and their > > bottom line than they do about actually healing us. When deaths due to > > side effects from mainstream drugs, medical mistakes and illnesses > > acquired in hospitals are totalled up, mainstream medicine is the number > > two killer in this country. And some of us think that the more of the > > same is somehow an answer for healthcare? > > > > Already, our country spends more per capita on drugs and mainstream > > medicine by far than any other country in the world. And yet we rank > > 47th in lifespan as of 2004, down from 12th only two decades earlier, > > and for the first time in ages our average lifespan is actually > > declining. Infant mortality has taken a similar plunge. Those are not > > trends I would like to see continue, and that is exactly what is likely > > to happen with the healthcare system that is presently proposed. > > > > > > > > oleander soup , Alma Lalonde <almalalonde@> > > wrote: > > > > > > I have been following your emails about this issue for a few days. > > Your main concern is your right to choose, I can respect that. However, > > as others have mentioned repeatedly many of these rights that you are so > > worried about losing are already old news. You fail to be concerned > > about the millions of people that die and are presently living with no > > health care. They are your neighbors, your gardeners and some our own > > children. You are worried about your rights I am concerned more about > > equity. We all deserve medical care even if the system fails us > > sometimes. Obama's plan is not a perfect solution, we'll never have that > > but I am willing to risk it to help the masses rather than preserve my > > right to unlimited medical care. Which by the way doesn't exist, > > insurance co. already determine what medical care you can obtain. > > > > > > > > > Alma > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ > > > Tony @ > > > oleander soup > > > Tuesday, August 4, 2009 3:51:56 PM > > > Re: Obama's deception from Darlene > > > > > > > > > No, that is not true at all. We the people vastly outnumber the evil > > and greedy ones who seek to enslave and abuse us. It is simply a matter > > of waking up and refusing to submit to tyranny. > > > We've already breached politics here and I surely hate to get into > > religion - but I will point out that God's people have suffered > > abominably in the past and if one is to believe in the prophecies of > > Revelations there will come a time of prolonged suffering when Satan > > rules. > > > None of which means that we give in or that we do not do what we know > > to be right and stand up for what we know to be our rights. > > > A very good start would be to support the bills introduced by Ron Paul > > to help reign in the censorship of our supplements and food, as well as > > his bill to audit the Fed. > > > No matter what, I am going to be here working and fighting to help > > people beat cancer and live longer, healthier and happier lives without > > getting trapped into mainstream drugs and managed for profit healthcare > > that treats symptoms and prevents and cures virtually nothing. > > > > > > > > > oleander soup, rleeh2001@ . wrote: > > > > > > > > If Tony is correct you can hand you soul to God because you life > > will not > > > > be worth saving, you won't want to survive from cancer or anything > > else. > > > > That is like saying that God has turn us over to the devil, and I > > don't > > > > believe that. > > > > > > > > > > > > In a message dated 8/4/2009 3:06:16 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, > > > > darrae@ writes: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Right on Tony!!! Anyone can order " The Obama Deception " DVD by going > > to > > > > _www.infowars. com_ (http://www. infowars. com/) . > > > > This is excellent to see and give the info to others. > > > > > > > > - > > > > _Tony_ (@ ...) > > > > _oleander soup_ (oleandersou > > p ) > > > > Tuesday, August 04, 2009 9:13 AM > > > > OK, time for a rant on Obama and our health > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I usually try to keep politics out of this group - but since the > > > > abomination of the bill that is being called Obamacare and > > agriculture regulations > > > > that favor Big Pharma and Big Food are being rammed down our throats > > to the > > > > detriment of our health whether we like it or not, and those > > regulations > > > > have come largely from people Obama has appointed to office, I do > > have some > > > > things to say. > > > > First of all, Obama is no spiritual beingl. That is all smoke and > > mirrors > > > > and deception, the same as the rest of Obama and the same as his > > > > completely inexcusable refusal to reveal his original birth > > certificate or release > > > > his college records. Far from any savior or " being of light " as one > > person > > > > recently described him on another forum, he is merely a new face on > > the > > > > latest in a very long string of puppets that have served anything > > but the > > > > interests of the common citizens. Being of light? I am not sure that > > any > > > > beings of light have ever come out of the corrupt Chicago political > > > > organization. But perhaps he is a being of light in some respects - > > such as light > > > > on experience, light on integrity, light on truth, and light on his > > feet as > > > > he tap dances around in front of the cameras pretending to be our > > savior > > > > when he is is nothing more than the latest tool of the new world > > order elite > > > > to further their agenda. > > > > Like W. E. B. Griffith and others have tried to tell us, the two > > party > > > > system of Republican and Democrat is an engineered box we have been > > trapped > > > > into. It is just an illusion - smoke and mirrors and word games - > > that we > > > > have been trapped into. They have rigged the game so that it is > > virtually > > > > impossible for any other party or and independent candidate to have > > a chance, > > > > and further insured control of elections with easily manipulated > > Diebold > > > > voting machines (did you know that the people who run that company > > are > > > > ex-felons, btw?). At the top, both parties have the same masters and > > the same > > > > agenda- they simply approach it from different angles. And you can > > take > > > > this to the funny-money bank: no-one gets elected at the top of the > > ticket > > > > that has not been vetted and pre-approved by the Bilderburgs. > > > > If the poor dumbed down, reality show watching, filterd news > > consuming > > > > sheeple were not so blind, that should have been imminently apparent > > during > > > > Bush's last race which featured two Skull and Bones members squared > > off > > > > against one another, and even more apparent when we were tricked > > into a war of > > > > mass deception for the sake of big oil and the Halliburton > > profiteers as > > > > well as Bush's huge expansion of government, his presidential > > signings that > > > > eroded our freedoms, the rushed bail out that did nothing to free up > > credit > > > > or help the financial crisis, and his virtual abandonment of the > > > > conservative principles he espoused during his campaign. > > > > In the instance of Obama, it is more of the same, just as it would > > have > > > > been with McCain - except Obama has the pedal all the way to the > > floor to > > > > hasten the New World Order's plans to bring America to her knees and > > eliminate > > > > their greatest obstacle to a one-world government by the elite, of > > the > > > > elite and for the elite. I will point out that no administration has > > ever had > > > > the number of Council of Foreign Relations, Trilateral Commission, > > and > > > > Bilderburg members as Obama's. His choice for Healthcare was a Merck > > insider > > > > and, though he had to withdraw in scandal due to failure to pay > > taxes, the > > > > Obamacare bill has his signature all over it. Most of you will > > recognize > > > > Merck as the company that brought us Vioxx and, along with their > > lackeys in > > > > the FDA, fought to keep it on the market until over 60,000 deaths > > (more > > > > than the entire Vietnam War) were attributed to it. And then there > > is > > > > Avandia, Fosamax and the horrendous Gardasil vaccine jabs they > > bribed government > > > > officials to endorse and even make mandatory for our young school > > girls. > > > > Obama's choice to head up Agriculture is a Monsanto insider, and > > those of > > > > us who are aware of what is going on in the world recognize Monsanto > > as the > > > > most evil of all the giant Agri-biz companies (think GMO, > > antibiotics in > > > > meat and roundup ready food crops, along with a plan to control all > > of our > > > > seeds). > > > > Likewise, the people Obama has chosen to run the financial aspects > > of our > > > > government are Wallstreet insiders and some of the very same people > > who > > > > were in charge of the banks we had to bail out. > > > > Now, returning once again to the health issues, here is the capper > > (thus > > > > far anyway): > > > > The person who may be responsible for more food-related illness and > > death > > > > than anyone in history has just been made the US food safety czar. > > This is > > > > no joke. > > > > > > > > Here's the back story. > > > > > > > > When FDA scientists were asked to weigh in on what was to become the > > most > > > > radical and potentially dangerous change in our food supply -- the > > > > introduction of genetically modified (GM) foods -- secret documents > > now reveal that > > > > the experts were very concerned. Memo after memo described toxins, > > new > > > > diseases, nutritional deficiencies, and hard-to-detect allergens. > > They were > > > > adamant that the technology carried " serious health hazards, " and > > required > > > > careful, long-term research, including human studies, before any > > genetically > > > > modified organisms (GMOs) could be safely released into the food > > supply. > > > > > > > > But the biotech industry had rigged the game so that neither > > _Science_ > > > > (http://www. curezone. com/c/?/forums/ f.asp?f=443) nor scientists > > would stand in > > > > their way. They had placed their own man in charge of FDA policy and > > he > > > > wasn't going to be swayed by feeble arguments related to food > > safety. No, he > > > > was going to do what corporations had done for decades to get past > > these > > > > types of pesky concerns. He was going to lie. > > > > > > > > Dangerous Food Safety Lies > > > > > > > > When the FDA was constructing their _GMO_ (http://www. curezone. > > com/c/? > > > > /abbreviations. asp) policy in 1991-2, their scientists were clear > > that > > > > gene-sliced foods were significantly different and could lead to > > " different risks " > > > > than conventional foods. But official policy declared the opposite, > > > > claiming that the FDA knew nothing of significant differences, and > > declared GMOs > > > > substantially equivalent. > > > > > > > > This fiction became the rationale for allowing _GM_ > > > > (http://www. curezone. com/c/?/abbrevia tions.asp) foods on the > > market without any required safety > > > > studies whatsoever! The determination of whether GM foods were safe > > to eat > > > > was placed entirely in the hands of the companies that made them -- > > > > companies like Monsanto, which told us that the PCBs, DDT, and Agent > > Orange were > > > > safe. > > > > > > > > GMOs were rushed onto our plates in 1996. Over the next nine years, > > > > multiple chronic illnesses in the US nearly doubled -- from 7% to > > 13%. > > > > Allergy-related emergency room visits doubled between 1997 and 2002 > > while food > > > > allergies, especially among children, skyrocketed. We also witnessed > > a dramatic > > > > rise in asthma, autism, obesity, diabetes, digestive disorders, and > > certain > > > > cancers. > > > > > > > > In January of this year, Dr. P. M. Bhargava, one of the world's top > > > > biologists, told me that after reviewing 600 scientific journals, he > > concluded > > > > that the GM foods in the US are largely responsible for the increase > > in many > > > > serious diseases. > > > > > > > > In May, the American Academy of Environmental Medicine concluded > > that > > > > animal studies have demonstrated a causal relationship between GM > > foods and > > > > infertility, accelerated aging, dysfunctional insulin regulation, > > changes in > > > > major organs and the gastrointestinal system, and immune problems > > such as > > > > asthma, allergies, and inflammation > > > > > > > > In July, a report by eight international experts determined that the > > > > flimsy and superficial evaluations of GMOs by both regulators and GM > > companies > > > > " systematically overlook the side effects " and significantly > > underestimate > > > > " the initial signs of diseases like cancer and diseases of the > > hormonal, > > > > immune, nervous and reproductive systems, among others. " > > > > > > > > The Fox Guarding the Chickens > > > > > > > > If GMOs are indeed responsible for massive sickness and death, then > > the > > > > individual who oversaw the FDA policy that facilitated their > > introduction > > > > holds a uniquely infamous role in human history. That person is > > Michael > > > > Taylor. He had been Monsanto's attorney before becoming policy chief > > at the FDA. > > > > Soon after, he became Monsanto's vice president and chief lobbyist. > > > > > > > > This month Michael Taylor became the senior advisor to the > > commissioner of > > > > the FDA. He is now America's food safety czar. What have we done? > > > > > > > > The Milk Man Cometh > > > > > > > > While Taylor was at the FDA in the early 90's, he also oversaw the > > policy > > > > regarding Monsanto's genetically engineered bovine growth hormone > > > > (rbGH/rbST) -- injected into cows to increase milk supply. > > > > > > > > The milk from injected cows has more pus, more antibiotics, more > > bovine > > > > growth hormone, and most importantly, more insulin-like growth > > factor 1 > > > > (IGF-1). IGF-1 is a huge risk factor for common cancers and its high > > levels in > > > > this drugged milk is why so many medical organizations and hospitals > > have > > > > taken stands against rbGH. A former Monsanto scientist told me that > > when > > > > three of his Monsanto colleagues evaluated rbGH safety and > > discovered the > > > > elevated IGF-1 levels, even they refused to drink any more milk -- > > unless it was > > > > organic and therefore untreated. > > > > > > > > Government scientists from Canada evaluated the FDA's approval of > > rbGH and > > > > concluded that it was a dangerous facade. The drug was banned in > > Canada, > > > > as well as Europe, Japan, Australia and New Zealand. But it was > > approved in > > > > the US while Michael Taylor was in charge. His drugged milk might > > have > > > > caused a significant rise in US cancer rates. Additional published > > evidence > > > > also implicates rbGH in the high rate of fraternal twins in the US. > > > > > > > > Taylor also determined that milk from injected cows did not require > > any > > > > special labeling. And as a gift to his future employer Monsanto, he > > wrote a > > > > white paper suggesting that if companies ever had the audacity to > > label > > > > their products as not using rbGH, they should also include a > > disclaimer stating > > > > that according to the FDA, there is no difference between milk from > > > > treated and untreated cows. > > > > > > > > Taylor's disclaimer was also a lie. Monsanto's own studies and FDA > > > > scientists officially acknowledged differences in the drugged milk. > > No matter. > > > > Monsanto used Taylor's white paper as the basis to successfully sue > > dairies > > > > that labeled their products as rbGH-free. > > > > > > > > Will Monsanto's Wolff Also Guard the Chickens? > > > > > > > > As consumers learned that rbGH was dangerous, they refused to buy > > the > > > > milk. To keep their customers, a tidal wave of companies has > > publicly committed > > > > to not use the drug and to label their products as such. Monsanto > > tried > > > > unsuccessfully to convince the FDA and FTC to make it illegal for > > dairies to > > > > make rbGH-free claims, so they went to their special friend in > > Pennsylvania > > > > -- Dennis Wolff. As state secretary of agriculture, Wolff > > unilaterally > > > > declared that labeling products rbGH-free was illegal, and that all > > such > > > > labels must be removed from shelves statewide. This would, of > > course, eliminate > > > > the label from all national brands, as they couldn't afford to > > create > > > > separate packaging for just one state. > > > > > > > > Fortunately, consumer demand forced Pennsylvania' Fortunately, > > consumer > > > > demand forced Pennsylvania'<WBR>s Governor Ed Rendell to step in and > > stop > > > > Wolff's madness. But Rendell allowed Wolff to take a compromised > > position that > > > > now requires rbGH-free claims to also be > > > > > > > > President Obama is considering Dennis Wolff for the top food safety > > post > > > > at the USDA. Yikes! > > > > > > > > Rumor has it that the reason why Pennsylvania' Rumor has it that the > > > > reason why Pennsylvania'<WBR>s governor is supporting Wolff's > > appointment is to > > > > get him out of the state -- after he " screwed up so badly " > > > > > > > > Ohio Governor Gets Taylor-itus > > > > > > > > Ohio not only followed Pennsylvania' Ohio not only followed > > > > Pennsylvania'<WBR>s lead by requiring Tawent a step further. They > > declared that dairies > > > > must place that disclaimer on the same panel where rbGH-free claims > > are made, > > > > and even dictated the font size. This would force national brands to > > > > re-design their labels and may ultimately dissuade them from making > > rbGH-free > > > > claims at all. The Organic Trade Association and the International > > Dairy > > > > Foods Association filed a lawsuit against Ohio. Although they lost > > the first > > > > court battle, upon appeal, the judge ordered a mediation session > > that takes > > > > place today. Thousands of Ohio citizens have flooded Governor > > Strickland's > > > > office with urgent requests to withdraw the states anti-consumer > > labeling > > > > requirements. > > > > > > > > Perhaps the governor has an ulterior motive for pushing his new > > rules. If > > > > he goes ahead with his labeling plans, he might end up with a top > > > > appointment in the Obama administration. > > > > The truth is ugly sometimes, but knowing it may set you free. Once > > upon a > > > > time I was quite the liberal Democrat, and I am certainly no > > Republican > > > > today. But neither am I blind as I once was and I am very much > > involved in > > > > the efforts to insure health freedom and to restore liberty and > > freedom to > > > > the sovereign citizens of the sovereign states of the federal > > republic of > > > > the United States of America. > > > > OK, off my soapbox. This is not an invitation to begin a political > > > > debate, as that will detract from the main purpose of this group - > > beating and > > > > avoiding cancer and living longer, healthier and happier lives. But > > it had > > > > to be said. > > > > > > > > > > > > oleander soup@ In oleanoleanderso-- - In oleande > > > > > > > > > > Can't you people see behind the seen, Obama is doing just exactly > > what > > > > he > > > > > need to do, you people need to look deeper than the surface to see > > what > > > > is > > > > > really going on. > > > > > This is not business as usual, that ended with George Bush, this > > is a > > > > > completely different chapter. > > > > > Obama is a Spiritual person, with intentions and a soul contract > > to > > > > bring > > > > > Heaven to Earth, the Golden Age,. . . (pardon me while I barf - > > Tony) > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 5, 2009 Report Share Posted August 5, 2009 Tell your diabetic friends to take a look at: Natural Help for Diabetes (/Diabetes.htm) They will likely save a bundle and be much healthier in the process. All the best, oleander soup , "Ruth Harris" <phoophh wrote:>> Maybe not millions, but thousands have. > > Have you ever gone to an ER for health care? I have. They do send you a bill and if you don't pay it they will take action against you unless you can prove you are indigent. A visit to the ER costs thousands of dollars and if you can't pay, the government picks up the tab which is another reason they want national health care to stop so many people from using the ER for a doctor's office. This also puts a great strain on emergency medicine with so many people clogging up the place for treatment for non-emergency problems. > > Emergency rooms are no place to get regular medical care if you are diabetic, for instance. Being diabetic can disqualify you from getting private health insurance. I have diabetic friends who, until they reached Medicare age, had to pay out of pocket for their health care. None of them were rich so they were constantly worrying about going bankrupt.> > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 5, 2009 Report Share Posted August 5, 2009 It's all about agendas, most of which are political and partisan in nature.--- On Tue, 8/4/09, Tony wrote: Tony Re: Obama's deception from Darleneoleander soup Date: Tuesday, August 4, 2009, 6:27 PM Well, first of all I have not been writing about this issue for a few days to begin with - at least not in this forum. Losing our rights may be old news, but that does not make it right nor does it mean that we do not have the means to regain those rights. And, as clearly stated by our forefathers when they crafted the Declaration of Indpendence, it is not only our right but our patriotic duty to either change or replace any form of government that becomes nonresponsive to the rights and freedoms of its citizens. Now, as regards health care - our founding fathers never intended for our government to care for us from cradle to grave. Nowhere in their writings or in the constitution will you find their intentions for the government to feed, house, clothe and educate us, nor did they intend government to provide health care or to mandate what does and does not constitute acceptible health care and medicine. That is a top heavy nanny state that is the antithesis of a weak federal government that is the servant of the individual sovereign states and sovereign citizens as intended by our forefathers. No matter how laudible it may appear on paper it is a formula that carries us further away from freedom and personal responsibility and further down the road to socialism. Quite simply, the more control one gives to government the less freedom one has. Now, I think that it is fine and good for the government to provide some safety nets to ensure access to healthcare for one and all, the same as I do education, housing and food - but look what the solution has been when it comes to government provided housing and food: generations trapped into substandard housing in crime ridden and drug infested neighborhoods and being duped into feeling beholden to the same politicians who condemn them to second class citizenship even as they pander for their votes and make speeches about how they care for the less privileged. And just look at education - where what is taught is mandated by the government and is used as a tool of the state to mold our thoughts and actions so that we better serve the elite. I would love to see true healthcare available for one and all, but I am not in favor of any form of government health care or any form of insurance period that ignores natural healing such as mankind has used successfully, and 80% of the world continues to use, for thousands of years. If more attention were given to telling the truth about nutrition, lifestyle, prevention and the wondrous healing that is available from natural herbs and botanicals, instead of lies and suppression of natural health and government agencies that serve as protection rackets for big medicine and big food, we could slash our healthcare costs to a mere fraction of what they are now and healthcare might be affordable for everyone. A system that relies on mainstream drugs and managing symptoms will only further serve to erode our access to alternative healing and put us more firmly under the control of Big Pharma and mainstream medicine than we are now. While I will grant you that millions of people have died and suffered because they have not had access to health care, I would also contend that many millions more have died because the healthcare we do have is firmly in the hands of those who care more about profits and their bottom line than they do about actually healing us. When deaths due to side effects from mainstream drugs, medical mistakes and illnesses acquired in hospitals are totalled up, mainstream medicine is the number two killer in this country. And some of us think that the more of the same is somehow an answer for healthcare? Already, our country spends more per capita on drugs and mainstream medicine by far than any other country in the world. And yet we rank 47th in lifespan as of 2004, down from 12th only two decades earlier, and for the first time in ages our average lifespan is actually declining. Infant mortality has taken a similar plunge. Those are not trends I would like to see continue, and that is exactly what is likely to happen with the healthcare system that is presently proposed. oleander soup, Alma Lalonde <almalalonde@ ...> wrote:>> I have been following your emails about this issue for a few days. Your main concern is your right to choose, I can respect that. However, as others have mentioned repeatedly many of these rights that you are so worried about losing are already old news. You fail to be concerned about the millions of people that die and are presently living with no health care. They are your neighbors, your gardeners and some our own children. You are worried about your rights I am concerned more about equity. We all deserve medical care even if the system fails us sometimes. Obama's plan is not a perfect solution, we'll never have that but I am willing to risk it to help the masses rather than preserve my right to unlimited medical care. Which by the way doesn't exist, insurance co. already determine what medical care you can obtain. > > > Alma> > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __> Tony @.. .> oleander soup> Tuesday, August 4, 2009 3:51:56 PM> Re: Obama's deception from Darlene> > > No, that is not true at all. We the people vastly outnumber the evil and greedy ones who seek to enslave and abuse us. It is simply a matter of waking up and refusing to submit to tyranny.> We've already breached politics here and I surely hate to get into religion - but I will point out that God's people have suffered abominably in the past and if one is to believe in the prophecies of Revelations there will come a time of prolonged suffering when Satan rules.> None of which means that we give in or that we do not do what we know to be right and stand up for what we know to be our rights.> A very good start would be to support the bills introduced by Ron Paul to help reign in the censorship of our supplements and food, as well as his bill to audit the Fed.> No matter what, I am going to be here working and fighting to help people beat cancer and live longer, healthier and happier lives without getting trapped into mainstream drugs and managed for profit healthcare that treats symptoms and prevents and cures virtually nothing.> Tony> > oleander soup, rleeh2001@ . wrote:> >> > If Tony is correct you can hand you soul to God because you life will not > > be worth saving, you won't want to survive from cancer or anything else.> > That is like saying that God has turn us over to the devil, and I don't > > believe that.> > > > > > In a message dated 8/4/2009 3:06:16 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, > > darrae@ writes:> > > > > > > > Right on Tony!!! Anyone can order "The Obama Deception" DVD by going to > > _www.infowars. com_ (http://www. infowars. com/) .> > This is excellent to see and give the info to others. > > > > - > > _Tony_ (@ ...) > > _oleander soup_ (oleandersou p ) > > Tuesday, August 04, 2009 9:13 AM> > OK, time for a rant on Obama and our health> > > > > > > > I usually try to keep politics out of this group - but since the > > abomination of the bill that is being called Obamacare and agriculture regulations > > that favor Big Pharma and Big Food are being rammed down our throats to the > > detriment of our health whether we like it or not, and those regulations > > have come largely from people Obama has appointed to office, I do have some > > things to say. > > First of all, Obama is no spiritual beingl. That is all smoke and mirrors > > and deception, the same as the rest of Obama and the same as his > > completely inexcusable refusal to reveal his original birth certificate or release > > his college records. Far from any savior or "being of light" as one person > > recently described him on another forum, he is merely a new face on the > > latest in a very long string of puppets that have served anything but the > > interests of the common citizens. Being of light? I am not sure that any > > beings of light have ever come out of the corrupt Chicago political > > organization. But perhaps he is a being of light in some respects - such as light > > on experience, light on integrity, light on truth, and light on his feet as > > he tap dances around in front of the cameras pretending to be our savior > > when he is is nothing more than the latest tool of the new world order elite > > to further their agenda. > > Like W. E. B. Griffith and others have tried to tell us, the two party > > system of Republican and Democrat is an engineered box we have been trapped > > into. It is just an illusion - smoke and mirrors and word games - that we > > have been trapped into. They have rigged the game so that it is virtually > > impossible for any other party or and independent candidate to have a chance,> > and further insured control of elections with easily manipulated Diebold > > voting machines (did you know that the people who run that company are > > ex-felons, btw?). At the top, both parties have the same masters and the same > > agenda- they simply approach it from different angles. And you can take > > this to the funny-money bank: no-one gets elected at the top of the ticket > > that has not been vetted and pre-approved by the Bilderburgs. > > If the poor dumbed down, reality show watching, filterd news consuming > > sheeple were not so blind, that should have been imminently apparent during > > Bush's last race which featured two Skull and Bones members squared off > > against one another, and even more apparent when we were tricked into a war of > > mass deception for the sake of big oil and the Halliburton profiteers as > > well as Bush's huge expansion of government, his presidential signings that > > eroded our freedoms, the rushed bail out that did nothing to free up credit > > or help the financial crisis, and his virtual abandonment of the > > conservative principles he espoused during his campaign. > > In the instance of Obama, it is more of the same, just as it would have > > been with McCain - except Obama has the pedal all the way to the floor to > > hasten the New World Order's plans to bring America to her knees and eliminate > > their greatest obstacle to a one-world government by the elite, of the > > elite and for the elite. I will point out that no administration has ever had > > the number of Council of Foreign Relations, Trilateral Commission, and > > Bilderburg members as Obama's. His choice for Healthcare was a Merck insider > > and, though he had to withdraw in scandal due to failure to pay taxes, the > > Obamacare bill has his signature all over it. Most of you will recognize > > Merck as the company that brought us Vioxx and, along with their lackeys in > > the FDA, fought to keep it on the market until over 60,000 deaths (more > > than the entire Vietnam War) were attributed to it. And then there is > > Avandia, Fosamax and the horrendous Gardasil vaccine jabs they bribed government > > officials to endorse and even make mandatory for our young school girls. > > Obama's choice to head up Agriculture is a Monsanto insider, and those of > > us who are aware of what is going on in the world recognize Monsanto as the > > most evil of all the giant Agri-biz companies (think GMO, antibiotics in > > meat and roundup ready food crops, along with a plan to control all of our > > seeds). > > Likewise, the people Obama has chosen to run the financial aspects of our > > government are Wallstreet insiders and some of the very same people who > > were in charge of the banks we had to bail out. > > Now, returning once again to the health issues, here is the capper (thus > > far anyway): > > The person who may be responsible for more food-related illness and death > > than anyone in history has just been made the US food safety czar. This is > > no joke.> > > > Here's the back story.> > > > When FDA scientists were asked to weigh in on what was to become the most > > radical and potentially dangerous change in our food supply -- the > > introduction of genetically modified (GM) foods -- secret documents now reveal that > > the experts were very concerned. Memo after memo described toxins, new > > diseases, nutritional deficiencies, and hard-to-detect allergens. They were > > adamant that the technology carried "serious health hazards," and required > > careful, long-term research, including human studies, before any genetically > > modified organisms (GMOs) could be safely released into the food supply.> > > > But the biotech industry had rigged the game so that neither _Science_ > > (http://www. curezone. com/c/?/forums/ f.asp?f=443) nor scientists would stand in > > their way. They had placed their own man in charge of FDA policy and he > > wasn't going to be swayed by feeble arguments related to food safety. No, he > > was going to do what corporations had done for decades to get past these > > types of pesky concerns. He was going to lie.> > > > Dangerous Food Safety Lies> > > > When the FDA was constructing their _GMO_ (http://www. curezone. com/c/?> > /abbreviations. asp) policy in 1991-2, their scientists were clear that > > gene-sliced foods were significantly different and could lead to "different risks" > > than conventional foods. But official policy declared the opposite, > > claiming that the FDA knew nothing of significant differences, and declared GMOs > > substantially equivalent.> > > > This fiction became the rationale for allowing _GM_ > > (http://www. curezone. com/c/?/abbrevia tions.asp) foods on the market without any required safety > > studies whatsoever! The determination of whether GM foods were safe to eat > > was placed entirely in the hands of the companies that made them -- > > companies like Monsanto, which told us that the PCBs, DDT, and Agent Orange were > > safe.> > > > GMOs were rushed onto our plates in 1996. Over the next nine years, > > multiple chronic illnesses in the US nearly doubled -- from 7% to 13%. > > Allergy-related emergency room visits doubled between 1997 and 2002 while food > > allergies, especially among children, skyrocketed. We also witnessed a dramatic > > rise in asthma, autism, obesity, diabetes, digestive disorders, and certain > > cancers.> > > > In January of this year, Dr. P. M. Bhargava, one of the world's top > > biologists, told me that after reviewing 600 scientific journals, he concluded > > that the GM foods in the US are largely responsible for the increase in many > > serious diseases.> > > > In May, the American Academy of Environmental Medicine concluded that > > animal studies have demonstrated a causal relationship between GM foods and > > infertility, accelerated aging, dysfunctional insulin regulation, changes in > > major organs and the gastrointestinal system, and immune problems such as > > asthma, allergies, and inflammation> > > > In July, a report by eight international experts determined that the > > flimsy and superficial evaluations of GMOs by both regulators and GM companies > > "systematically overlook the side effects" and significantly underestimate > > "the initial signs of diseases like cancer and diseases of the hormonal, > > immune, nervous and reproductive systems, among others."> > > > The Fox Guarding the Chickens> > > > If GMOs are indeed responsible for massive sickness and death, then the > > individual who oversaw the FDA policy that facilitated their introduction > > holds a uniquely infamous role in human history. That person is Michael > > Taylor. He had been Monsanto's attorney before becoming policy chief at the FDA. > > Soon after, he became Monsanto's vice president and chief lobbyist.> > > > This month Michael Taylor became the senior advisor to the commissioner of > > the FDA. He is now America's food safety czar. What have we done?> > > > The Milk Man Cometh> > > > While Taylor was at the FDA in the early 90's, he also oversaw the policy > > regarding Monsanto's genetically engineered bovine growth hormone > > (rbGH/rbST) -- injected into cows to increase milk supply.> > > > The milk from injected cows has more pus, more antibiotics, more bovine > > growth hormone, and most importantly, more insulin-like growth factor 1 > > (IGF-1). IGF-1 is a huge risk factor for common cancers and its high levels in > > this drugged milk is why so many medical organizations and hospitals have > > taken stands against rbGH. A former Monsanto scientist told me that when > > three of his Monsanto colleagues evaluated rbGH safety and discovered the > > elevated IGF-1 levels, even they refused to drink any more milk -- unless it was > > organic and therefore untreated.> > > > Government scientists from Canada evaluated the FDA's approval of rbGH and > > concluded that it was a dangerous facade. The drug was banned in Canada, > > as well as Europe, Japan, Australia and New Zealand. But it was approved in > > the US while Michael Taylor was in charge. His drugged milk might have > > caused a significant rise in US cancer rates. Additional published evidence > > also implicates rbGH in the high rate of fraternal twins in the US.> > > > Taylor also determined that milk from injected cows did not require any > > special labeling. And as a gift to his future employer Monsanto, he wrote a > > white paper suggesting that if companies ever had the audacity to label > > their products as not using rbGH, they should also include a disclaimer stating > > that according to the FDA, there is no difference between milk from > > treated and untreated cows.> > > > Taylor's disclaimer was also a lie. Monsanto's own studies and FDA > > scientists officially acknowledged differences in the drugged milk. No matter. > > Monsanto used Taylor's white paper as the basis to successfully sue dairies > > that labeled their products as rbGH-free.> > > > Will Monsanto's Wolff Also Guard the Chickens?> > > > As consumers learned that rbGH was dangerous, they refused to buy the > > milk. To keep their customers, a tidal wave of companies has publicly committed > > to not use the drug and to label their products as such. Monsanto tried > > unsuccessfully to convince the FDA and FTC to make it illegal for dairies to > > make rbGH-free claims, so they went to their special friend in Pennsylvania > > -- Dennis Wolff. As state secretary of agriculture, Wolff unilaterally > > declared that labeling products rbGH-free was illegal, and that all such > > labels must be removed from shelves statewide. This would, of course, eliminate > > the label from all national brands, as they couldn't afford to create > > separate packaging for just one state.> > > > Fortunately, consumer demand forced Pennsylvania' Fortunately, consumer > > demand forced Pennsylvania'<WBR>s Governor Ed Rendell to step in and stop > > Wolff's madness. But Rendell allowed Wolff to take a compromised position that > > now requires rbGH-free claims to also be > > > > President Obama is considering Dennis Wolff for the top food safety post > > at the USDA. Yikes!> > > > Rumor has it that the reason why Pennsylvania' Rumor has it that the > > reason why Pennsylvania'<WBR>s governor is supporting Wolff's appointment is to > > get him out of the state -- after he "screwed up so badly" > > > > Ohio Governor Gets Taylor-itus> > > > Ohio not only followed Pennsylvania' Ohio not only followed > > Pennsylvania'<WBR>s lead by requiring Tawent a step further. They declared that dairies > > must place that disclaimer on the same panel where rbGH-free claims are made, > > and even dictated the font size. This would force national brands to > > re-design their labels and may ultimately dissuade them from making rbGH-free > > claims at all. The Organic Trade Association and the International Dairy > > Foods Association filed a lawsuit against Ohio. Although they lost the first > > court battle, upon appeal, the judge ordered a mediation session that takes > > place today. Thousands of Ohio citizens have flooded Governor Strickland's > > office with urgent requests to withdraw the states anti-consumer labeling > > requirements.> > > > Perhaps the governor has an ulterior motive for pushing his new rules. If > > he goes ahead with his labeling plans, he might end up with a top > > appointment in the Obama administration. > > The truth is ugly sometimes, but knowing it may set you free. Once upon a > > time I was quite the liberal Democrat, and I am certainly no Republican > > today. But neither am I blind as I once was and I am very much involved in > > the efforts to insure health freedom and to restore liberty and freedom to > > the sovereign citizens of the sovereign states of the federal republic of > > the United States of America. > > OK, off my soapbox. This is not an invitation to begin a political > > debate, as that will detract from the main purpose of this group - beating and > > avoiding cancer and living longer, healthier and happier lives. But it had > > to be said. > > Tony > > > > oleander soup@ In oleanoleanderso-- - In oleande> > >> > > Can't you people see behind the seen, Obama is doing just exactly what > > he > > > need to do, you people need to look deeper than the surface to see what > > is > > > really going on.> > > This is not business as usual, that ended with George Bush, this is a > > > completely different chapter. > > > Obama is a Spiritual person, with intentions and a soul contract to > > bring > > > Heaven to Earth, the Golden Age,. . . (pardon me while I barf - Tony)> >> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 5, 2009 Report Share Posted August 5, 2009 My husband had started a new job and had not yet completed the probationary time for his eligibility with respet to insurance coverage, and because he had entered via a "temp" service, he had not had a "cobra" period, etc., because as a temp employee there were no benefits. Literally three days before being "employed" as opposed to be subcontracted, he complained of headaches and then passed out. I indeed took him to the "ER" where they had to do an emergency craniotomy and he was diagnosed with glioblastoma -- no insurance -- brain surgery, a US Citizen and afraid to go to the doctor? We have worked and paid our entire lives into the system and that includes vis a vis the insurance companies, big evil guvment whatever poison you wish to pick ... whatever boogey man you wish to conjure or describe -- however, whether it be to opt go to a naturopath or an ER room, one in this country should be able to present for medical care without fear of being treated like a criminal. What is wrong with this picture??? I can go on on and I have lived out the "American nightmare" from start to finish. God bless Obama for trying.--- On Wed, 8/5/09, Ruth Harris <phoophh wrote: Ruth Harris <phoophh Re: Obama's deception from Darleneoleander soup Date: Wednesday, August 5, 2009, 12:00 PM Maybe not millions, but thousands have. Have you ever gone to an ER for health care? I have. They do send you a bill and if you don't pay it they will take action against you unless you can prove you are indigent. A visit to the ER costs thousands of dollars and if you can't pay, the government picks up the tab which is another reason they want national health care to stop so many people from using the ER for a doctor's office. This also puts a great strain on emergency medicine with so many people clogging up the place for treatment for non-emergency problems. Emergency rooms are no place to get regular medical care if you are diabetic, for instance. Being diabetic can disqualify you from getting private health insurance. I have diabetic friends who, until they reached Medicare age, had to pay out of pocket for their health care. None of them were rich so they were constantly worrying about going bankrupt.oleander soup, "tedsanford@ ..." <tedsanford@ ...> wrote:>> Just a clarification:> Millions of people in THIS country have not died due to lack of health care. It is available to everyone at the ER. That system works. Everyone in this country can get health care, and it is free for those that can't pay, right now. What is needed is to, as Tony says, find a way to prevent the government from shilling for big Pharma and MSM in order to reduce costs, but this legislation only takes us the other way!> Ted> oleander soup, "Tony" @> wrote:> >> > > > Well, first of all I have not been writing about this issue for a few> > days to begin with - at least not in this forum. Losing our rights may> > be old news, but that does not make it right nor does it mean that we do> > not have the means to regain those rights. And, as clearly stated by> > our forefathers when they crafted the Declaration of Indpendence, it is> > not only our right but our patriotic duty to either change or replace> > any form of government that becomes nonresponsive to the rights and> > freedoms of its citizens.> > > > Now, as regards health care - our founding fathers never intended for> > our government to care for us from cradle to grave. Nowhere in their> > writings or in the constitution will you find their intentions for the> > government to feed, house, clothe and educate us, nor did they intend> > government to provide health care or to mandate what does and does not> > constitute acceptible health care and medicine. That is a top heavy> > nanny state that is the antithesis of a weak federal government that is> > the servant of the individual sovereign states and sovereign citizens as> > intended by our forefathers. No matter how laudible it may appear on> > paper it is a formula that carries us further away from freedom and> > personal responsibility and further down the road to socialism. Quite> > simply, the more control one gives to government the less freedom one> > has.> > > > Now, I think that it is fine and good for the government to provide some> > safety nets to ensure access to healthcare for one and all, the same as> > I do education, housing and food - but look what the solution has been> > when it comes to government provided housing and food: generations> > trapped into substandard housing in crime ridden and drug infested> > neighborhoods and being duped into feeling beholden to the same> > politicians who condemn them to second class citizenship even as they> > pander for their votes and make speeches about how they care for the> > less privileged. And just look at education - where what is taught is> > mandated by the government and is used as a tool of the state to mold> > our thoughts and actions so that we better serve the elite.> > > > I would love to see true healthcare available for one and all, but I am> > not in favor of any form of government health care or any form of> > insurance period that ignores natural healing such as mankind has used> > successfully, and 80% of the world continues to use, for thousands of> > years. If more attention were given to telling the truth about> > nutrition, lifestyle, prevention and the wondrous healing that is> > available from natural herbs and botanicals, instead of lies and> > suppression of natural health and government agencies that serve as> > protection rackets for big medicine and big food, we could slash our> > healthcare costs to a mere fraction of what they are now and healthcare> > might be affordable for everyone. A system that relies on mainstream> > drugs and managing symptoms will only further serve to erode our access> > to alternative healing and put us more firmly under the control of Big> > Pharma and mainstream medicine than we are now.> > > > While I will grant you that millions of people have died and suffered> > because they have not had access to health care, I would also contend> > that many millions more have died because the healthcare we do have is> > firmly in the hands of those who care more about profits and their> > bottom line than they do about actually healing us. When deaths due to> > side effects from mainstream drugs, medical mistakes and illnesses> > acquired in hospitals are totalled up, mainstream medicine is the number> > two killer in this country. And some of us think that the more of the> > same is somehow an answer for healthcare?> > > > Already, our country spends more per capita on drugs and mainstream> > medicine by far than any other country in the world. And yet we rank> > 47th in lifespan as of 2004, down from 12th only two decades earlier,> > and for the first time in ages our average lifespan is actually> > declining. Infant mortality has taken a similar plunge. Those are not> > trends I would like to see continue, and that is exactly what is likely> > to happen with the healthcare system that is presently proposed.> > > > Tony> > > > oleander soup, Alma Lalonde <almalalonde@ >> > wrote:> > >> > > I have been following your emails about this issue for a few days.> > Your main concern is your right to choose, I can respect that. However,> > as others have mentioned repeatedly many of these rights that you are so> > worried about losing are already old news. You fail to be concerned> > about the millions of people that die and are presently living with no> > health care. They are your neighbors, your gardeners and some our own> > children. You are worried about your rights I am concerned more about> > equity. We all deserve medical care even if the system fails us> > sometimes. Obama's plan is not a perfect solution, we'll never have that> > but I am willing to risk it to help the masses rather than preserve my> > right to unlimited medical care. Which by the way doesn't exist,> > insurance co. already determine what medical care you can obtain.> > >> > >> > > Alma> > >> > >> > >> > >> > > ____________ _________ _________ __> > > Tony @> > > oleander soup> > > Tuesday, August 4, 2009 3:51:56 PM> > > Re: Obama's deception from Darlene> > >> > >> > > No, that is not true at all. We the people vastly outnumber the evil> > and greedy ones who seek to enslave and abuse us. It is simply a matter> > of waking up and refusing to submit to tyranny.> > > We've already breached politics here and I surely hate to get into> > religion - but I will point out that God's people have suffered> > abominably in the past and if one is to believe in the prophecies of> > Revelations there will come a time of prolonged suffering when Satan> > rules.> > > None of which means that we give in or that we do not do what we know> > to be right and stand up for what we know to be our rights.> > > A very good start would be to support the bills introduced by Ron Paul> > to help reign in the censorship of our supplements and food, as well as> > his bill to audit the Fed.> > > No matter what, I am going to be here working and fighting to help> > people beat cancer and live longer, healthier and happier lives without> > getting trapped into mainstream drugs and managed for profit healthcare> > that treats symptoms and prevents and cures virtually nothing.> > > Tony> > >> > > oleander soup, rleeh2001@ . wrote:> > > >> > > > If Tony is correct you can hand you soul to God because you life> > will not> > > > be worth saving, you won't want to survive from cancer or anything> > else.> > > > That is like saying that God has turn us over to the devil, and I> > don't> > > > believe that.> > > >> > > >> > > > In a message dated 8/4/2009 3:06:16 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time,> > > > darrae@ writes:> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > > Right on Tony!!! Anyone can order "The Obama Deception" DVD by going> > to> > > > _www.infowars. com_ (http://www. infowars. com/) .> > > > This is excellent to see and give the info to others.> > > >> > > > -> > > > _Tony_ (@ ...)> > > > _oleander soup_ (oleandersou> > p )> > > > Tuesday, August 04, 2009 9:13 AM> > > > OK, time for a rant on Obama and our health> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > > I usually try to keep politics out of this group - but since the> > > > abomination of the bill that is being called Obamacare and> > agriculture regulations> > > > that favor Big Pharma and Big Food are being rammed down our throats> > to the> > > > detriment of our health whether we like it or not, and those> > regulations> > > > have come largely from people Obama has appointed to office, I do> > have some> > > > things to say.> > > > First of all, Obama is no spiritual beingl. That is all smoke and> > mirrors> > > > and deception, the same as the rest of Obama and the same as his> > > > completely inexcusable refusal to reveal his original birth> > certificate or release> > > > his college records. Far from any savior or "being of light" as one> > person> > > > recently described him on another forum, he is merely a new face on> > the> > > > latest in a very long string of puppets that have served anything> > but the> > > > interests of the common citizens. Being of light? I am not sure that> > any> > > > beings of light have ever come out of the corrupt Chicago political> > > > organization. But perhaps he is a being of light in some respects -> > such as light> > > > on experience, light on integrity, light on truth, and light on his> > feet as> > > > he tap dances around in front of the cameras pretending to be our> > savior> > > > when he is is nothing more than the latest tool of the new world> > order elite> > > > to further their agenda.> > > > Like W. E. B. Griffith and others have tried to tell us, the two> > party> > > > system of Republican and Democrat is an engineered box we have been> > trapped> > > > into. It is just an illusion - smoke and mirrors and word games -> > that we> > > > have been trapped into. They have rigged the game so that it is> > virtually> > > > impossible for any other party or and independent candidate to have> > a chance,> > > > and further insured control of elections with easily manipulated> > Diebold> > > > voting machines (did you know that the people who run that company> > are> > > > ex-felons, btw?). At the top, both parties have the same masters and> > the same> > > > agenda- they simply approach it from different angles. And you can> > take> > > > this to the funny-money bank: no-one gets elected at the top of the> > ticket> > > > that has not been vetted and pre-approved by the Bilderburgs.> > > > If the poor dumbed down, reality show watching, filterd news> > consuming> > > > sheeple were not so blind, that should have been imminently apparent> > during> > > > Bush's last race which featured two Skull and Bones members squared> > off> > > > against one another, and even more apparent when we were tricked> > into a war of> > > > mass deception for the sake of big oil and the Halliburton> > profiteers as> > > > well as Bush's huge expansion of government, his presidential> > signings that> > > > eroded our freedoms, the rushed bail out that did nothing to free up> > credit> > > > or help the financial crisis, and his virtual abandonment of the> > > > conservative principles he espoused during his campaign.> > > > In the instance of Obama, it is more of the same, just as it would> > have> > > > been with McCain - except Obama has the pedal all the way to the> > floor to> > > > hasten the New World Order's plans to bring America to her knees and> > eliminate> > > > their greatest obstacle to a one-world government by the elite, of> > the> > > > elite and for the elite. I will point out that no administration has> > ever had> > > > the number of Council of Foreign Relations, Trilateral Commission,> > and> > > > Bilderburg members as Obama's. His choice for Healthcare was a Merck> > insider> > > > and, though he had to withdraw in scandal due to failure to pay> > taxes, the> > > > Obamacare bill has his signature all over it. Most of you will> > recognize> > > > Merck as the company that brought us Vioxx and, along with their> > lackeys in> > > > the FDA, fought to keep it on the market until over 60,000 deaths> > (more> > > > than the entire Vietnam War) were attributed to it. And then there> > is> > > > Avandia, Fosamax and the horrendous Gardasil vaccine jabs they> > bribed government> > > > officials to endorse and even make mandatory for our young school> > girls.> > > > Obama's choice to head up Agriculture is a Monsanto insider, and> > those of> > > > us who are aware of what is going on in the world recognize Monsanto> > as the> > > > most evil of all the giant Agri-biz companies (think GMO,> > antibiotics in> > > > meat and roundup ready food crops, along with a plan to control all> > of our> > > > seeds).> > > > Likewise, the people Obama has chosen to run the financial aspects> > of our> > > > government are Wallstreet insiders and some of the very same people> > who> > > > were in charge of the banks we had to bail out.> > > > Now, returning once again to the health issues, here is the capper> > (thus> > > > far anyway):> > > > The person who may be responsible for more food-related illness and> > death> > > > than anyone in history has just been made the US food safety czar.> > This is> > > > no joke.> > > >> > > > Here's the back story.> > > >> > > > When FDA scientists were asked to weigh in on what was to become the> > most> > > > radical and potentially dangerous change in our food supply -- the> > > > introduction of genetically modified (GM) foods -- secret documents> > now reveal that> > > > the experts were very concerned. Memo after memo described toxins,> > new> > > > diseases, nutritional deficiencies, and hard-to-detect allergens.> > They were> > > > adamant that the technology carried "serious health hazards," and> > required> > > > careful, long-term research, including human studies, before any> > genetically> > > > modified organisms (GMOs) could be safely released into the food> > supply.> > > >> > > > But the biotech industry had rigged the game so that neither> > _Science_> > > > (http://www. curezone. com/c/?/forums/ f.asp?f=443) nor scientists> > would stand in> > > > their way. They had placed their own man in charge of FDA policy and> > he> > > > wasn't going to be swayed by feeble arguments related to food> > safety. No, he> > > > was going to do what corporations had done for decades to get past> > these> > > > types of pesky concerns. He was going to lie.> > > >> > > > Dangerous Food Safety Lies> > > >> > > > When the FDA was constructing their _GMO_ (http://www. curezone.> > com/c/?> > > > /abbreviations. asp) policy in 1991-2, their scientists were clear> > that> > > > gene-sliced foods were significantly different and could lead to> > "different risks"> > > > than conventional foods. But official policy declared the opposite,> > > > claiming that the FDA knew nothing of significant differences, and> > declared GMOs> > > > substantially equivalent.> > > >> > > > This fiction became the rationale for allowing _GM_> > > > (http://www. curezone. com/c/?/abbrevia tions.asp) foods on the> > market without any required safety> > > > studies whatsoever! The determination of whether GM foods were safe> > to eat> > > > was placed entirely in the hands of the companies that made them --> > > > companies like Monsanto, which told us that the PCBs, DDT, and Agent> > Orange were> > > > safe.> > > >> > > > GMOs were rushed onto our plates in 1996. Over the next nine years,> > > > multiple chronic illnesses in the US nearly doubled -- from 7% to> > 13%.> > > > Allergy-related emergency room visits doubled between 1997 and 2002> > while food> > > > allergies, especially among children, skyrocketed. We also witnessed> > a dramatic> > > > rise in asthma, autism, obesity, diabetes, digestive disorders, and> > certain> > > > cancers.> > > >> > > > In January of this year, Dr. P. M. Bhargava, one of the world's top> > > > biologists, told me that after reviewing 600 scientific journals, he> > concluded> > > > that the GM foods in the US are largely responsible for the increase> > in many> > > > serious diseases.> > > >> > > > In May, the American Academy of Environmental Medicine concluded> > that> > > > animal studies have demonstrated a causal relationship between GM> > foods and> > > > infertility, accelerated aging, dysfunctional insulin regulation,> > changes in> > > > major organs and the gastrointestinal system, and immune problems> > such as> > > > asthma, allergies, and inflammation> > > >> > > > In July, a report by eight international experts determined that the> > > > flimsy and superficial evaluations of GMOs by both regulators and GM> > companies> > > > "systematically overlook the side effects" and significantly> > underestimate> > > > "the initial signs of diseases like cancer and diseases of the> > hormonal,> > > > immune, nervous and reproductive systems, among others."> > > >> > > > The Fox Guarding the Chickens> > > >> > > > If GMOs are indeed responsible for massive sickness and death, then> > the> > > > individual who oversaw the FDA policy that facilitated their> > introduction> > > > holds a uniquely infamous role in human history. That person is> > Michael> > > > Taylor. He had been Monsanto's attorney before becoming policy chief> > at the FDA.> > > > Soon after, he became Monsanto's vice president and chief lobbyist.> > > >> > > > This month Michael Taylor became the senior advisor to the> > commissioner of> > > > the FDA. He is now America's food safety czar. What have we done?> > > >> > > > The Milk Man Cometh> > > >> > > > While Taylor was at the FDA in the early 90's, he also oversaw the> > policy> > > > regarding Monsanto's genetically engineered bovine growth hormone> > > > (rbGH/rbST) -- injected into cows to increase milk supply.> > > >> > > > The milk from injected cows has more pus, more antibiotics, more> > bovine> > > > growth hormone, and most importantly, more insulin-like growth> > factor 1> > > > (IGF-1). IGF-1 is a huge risk factor for common cancers and its high> > levels in> > > > this drugged milk is why so many medical organizations and hospitals> > have> > > > taken stands against rbGH. A former Monsanto scientist told me that> > when> > > > three of his Monsanto colleagues evaluated rbGH safety and> > discovered the> > > > elevated IGF-1 levels, even they refused to drink any more milk --> > unless it was> > > > organic and therefore untreated.> > > >> > > > Government scientists from Canada evaluated the FDA's approval of> > rbGH and> > > > concluded that it was a dangerous facade. The drug was banned in> > Canada,> > > > as well as Europe, Japan, Australia and New Zealand. But it was> > approved in> > > > the US while Michael Taylor was in charge. His drugged milk might> > have> > > > caused a significant rise in US cancer rates. Additional published> > evidence> > > > also implicates rbGH in the high rate of fraternal twins in the US.> > > >> > > > Taylor also determined that milk from injected cows did not require> > any> > > > special labeling. And as a gift to his future employer Monsanto, he> > wrote a> > > > white paper suggesting that if companies ever had the audacity to> > label> > > > their products as not using rbGH, they should also include a> > disclaimer stating> > > > that according to the FDA, there is no difference between milk from> > > > treated and untreated cows.> > > >> > > > Taylor's disclaimer was also a lie. Monsanto's own studies and FDA> > > > scientists officially acknowledged differences in the drugged milk.> > No matter.> > > > Monsanto used Taylor's white paper as the basis to successfully sue> > dairies> > > > that labeled their products as rbGH-free.> > > >> > > > Will Monsanto's Wolff Also Guard the Chickens?> > > >> > > > As consumers learned that rbGH was dangerous, they refused to buy> > the> > > > milk. To keep their customers, a tidal wave of companies has> > publicly committed> > > > to not use the drug and to label their products as such. Monsanto> > tried> > > > unsuccessfully to convince the FDA and FTC to make it illegal for> > dairies to> > > > make rbGH-free claims, so they went to their special friend in> > Pennsylvania> > > > -- Dennis Wolff. As state secretary of agriculture, Wolff> > unilaterally> > > > declared that labeling products rbGH-free was illegal, and that all> > such> > > > labels must be removed from shelves statewide. This would, of> > course, eliminate> > > > the label from all national brands, as they couldn't afford to> > create> > > > separate packaging for just one state.> > > >> > > > Fortunately, consumer demand forced Pennsylvania' Fortunately,> > consumer> > > > demand forced Pennsylvania' <WBR>s Governor Ed Rendell to step in and> > stop> > > > Wolff's madness. But Rendell allowed Wolff to take a compromised> > position that> > > > now requires rbGH-free claims to also be> > > >> > > > President Obama is considering Dennis Wolff for the top food safety> > post> > > > at the USDA. Yikes!> > > >> > > > Rumor has it that the reason why Pennsylvania' Rumor has it that the> > > > reason why Pennsylvania' <WBR>s governor is supporting Wolff's> > appointment is to> > > > get him out of the state -- after he "screwed up so badly"> > > >> > > > Ohio Governor Gets Taylor-itus> > > >> > > > Ohio not only followed Pennsylvania' Ohio not only followed> > > > Pennsylvania' <WBR>s lead by requiring Tawent a step further. They> > declared that dairies> > > > must place that disclaimer on the same panel where rbGH-free claims> > are made,> > > > and even dictated the font size. This would force national brands to> > > > re-design their labels and may ultimately dissuade them from making> > rbGH-free> > > > claims at all. The Organic Trade Association and the International> > Dairy> > > > Foods Association filed a lawsuit against Ohio. Although they lost> > the first> > > > court battle, upon appeal, the judge ordered a mediation session> > that takes> > > > place today. Thousands of Ohio citizens have flooded Governor> > Strickland's> > > > office with urgent requests to withdraw the states anti-consumer> > labeling> > > > requirements.> > > >> > > > Perhaps the governor has an ulterior motive for pushing his new> > rules. If> > > > he goes ahead with his labeling plans, he might end up with a top> > > > appointment in the Obama administration.> > > > The truth is ugly sometimes, but knowing it may set you free. Once> > upon a> > > > time I was quite the liberal Democrat, and I am certainly no> > Republican> > > > today. But neither am I blind as I once was and I am very much> > involved in> > > > the efforts to insure health freedom and to restore liberty and> > freedom to> > > > the sovereign citizens of the sovereign states of the federal> > republic of> > > > the United States of America.> > > > OK, off my soapbox. This is not an invitation to begin a political> > > > debate, as that will detract from the main purpose of this group -> > beating and> > > > avoiding cancer and living longer, healthier and happier lives. But> > it had> > > > to be said.> > > > Tony> > > >> > > > oleander soup@ In oleanoleanderso-- - In oleande> > > > >> > > > > Can't you people see behind the seen, Obama is doing just exactly> > what> > > > he> > > > > need to do, you people need to look deeper than the surface to see> > what> > > > is> > > > > really going on.> > > > > This is not business as usual, that ended with George Bush, this> > is a> > > > > completely different chapter.> > > > > Obama is a Spiritual person, with intentions and a soul contract> > to> > > > bring> > > > > Heaven to Earth, the Golden Age,. . . (pardon me while I barf -> > Tony)> > > >> > >> >> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 6, 2009 Report Share Posted August 6, 2009 kcpopps, BS. We didn't " chose " to be controlled by evil. Evil happened because the human condition is very sick, very weak, very greedy, and very arrogant. We can only be cured by that which is most basic to our lives... pure unadulterated organic food, water, and air. We must detoxify our bodies and minds and allow good creative and compassionate thoughts to emerge rather than greedy, power mad, racist and angry ones most people live by. Most people are consumed by thoughts of death, destruction and dying rather than life and living. This is directly attributable to poisoned food and water. A little mercury in your brain can wreak havoc with normal thoughts. Governments, including the shadow government that controls ours (illuminati et.al) are consumed by it. George Bush gave us 8 years of death. Obama is on track to do the same only now it is going to affect us personally. It won't just be a million Iraqi's and a few thousand Americans, it will be millions of Americans and others around the world due to poison from vaccines, GM foods, factory farmed vegetables and other foodstuffs, poisoned cattle, sheep and chickens, and polluted air and water unfit for human consumption. Couple all that with your inability to treat yourself as you see fit, the FDA making supplements illegal at the behest of evil pharma companies and you can now get a picture of what is happening before your very eyes. If this doesn't require a revolution by the people then I don't know what would. I am outraged, and I hope and pray millions more will be outraged very, very soon. Bob - " kcpopps " <kcpopps <oleander soup > Tuesday, August 04, 2009 5:31 PM Re: Obama's deception from Darlene > God didn't turn us over to the devil - we chose. > > oleander soup , rleeh2001 wrote: >> >> If Tony is correct you can hand you soul to God because you life will >> not >> be worth saving, you won't want to survive from cancer or anything else. >> That is like saying that God has turn us over to the devil, and I don't >> believe that. >> >> >> In a message dated 8/4/2009 3:06:16 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, >> darrae writes: >> >> >> >> Right on Tony!!! Anyone can order " The Obama Deception " DVD by going >> to >> _www.infowars.com_ (http://www.infowars.com/) . >> This is excellent to see and give the info to others. >> >> - >> _Tony_ () >> _oleander soup _ (oleander soup ) >> Tuesday, August 04, 2009 9:13 AM >> OK, time for a rant on Obama and our health >> >> >> >> I usually try to keep politics out of this group - but since the >> abomination of the bill that is being called Obamacare and agriculture >> regulations >> that favor Big Pharma and Big Food are being rammed down our throats to >> the >> detriment of our health whether we like it or not, and those regulations >> have come largely from people Obama has appointed to office, I do have >> some >> things to say. >> First of all, Obama is no spiritual beingl. That is all smoke and >> mirrors >> and deception, the same as the rest of Obama and the same as his >> completely inexcusable refusal to reveal his original birth certificate >> or release >> his college records. Far from any savior or " being of light " as one >> person >> recently described him on another forum, he is merely a new face on the >> latest in a very long string of puppets that have served anything but the >> interests of the common citizens. Being of light? I am not sure that >> any >> beings of light have ever come out of the corrupt Chicago political >> organization. But perhaps he is a being of light in some respects - >> such as light >> on experience, light on integrity, light on truth, and light on his feet >> as >> he tap dances around in front of the cameras pretending to be our savior >> when he is is nothing more than the latest tool of the new world order >> elite >> to further their agenda. >> Like W. E. B. Griffith and others have tried to tell us, the two party >> system of Republican and Democrat is an engineered box we have been >> trapped >> into. It is just an illusion - smoke and mirrors and word games - that >> we >> have been trapped into. They have rigged the game so that it is >> virtually >> impossible for any other party or and independent candidate to have a >> chance, >> and further insured control of elections with easily manipulated >> Diebold >> voting machines (did you know that the people who run that company are >> ex-felons, btw?). At the top, both parties have the same masters and >> the same >> agenda- they simply approach it from different angles. And you can take >> this to the funny-money bank: no-one gets elected at the top of the >> ticket >> that has not been vetted and pre-approved by the Bilderburgs. >> If the poor dumbed down, reality show watching, filterd news consuming >> sheeple were not so blind, that should have been imminently apparent >> during >> Bush's last race which featured two Skull and Bones members squared off >> against one another, and even more apparent when we were tricked into a >> war of >> mass deception for the sake of big oil and the Halliburton profiteers as >> well as Bush's huge expansion of government, his presidential signings >> that >> eroded our freedoms, the rushed bail out that did nothing to free up >> credit >> or help the financial crisis, and his virtual abandonment of the >> conservative principles he espoused during his campaign. >> In the instance of Obama, it is more of the same, just as it would have >> been with McCain - except Obama has the pedal all the way to the floor >> to >> hasten the New World Order's plans to bring America to her knees and >> eliminate >> their greatest obstacle to a one-world government by the elite, of the >> elite and for the elite. I will point out that no administration has >> ever had >> the number of Council of Foreign Relations, Trilateral Commission, and >> Bilderburg members as Obama's. His choice for Healthcare was a Merck >> insider >> and, though he had to withdraw in scandal due to failure to pay taxes, >> the >> Obamacare bill has his signature all over it. Most of you will >> recognize >> Merck as the company that brought us Vioxx and, along with their lackeys >> in >> the FDA, fought to keep it on the market until over 60,000 deaths (more >> than the entire Vietnam War) were attributed to it. And then there is >> Avandia, Fosamax and the horrendous Gardasil vaccine jabs they bribed >> government >> officials to endorse and even make mandatory for our young school girls. >> Obama's choice to head up Agriculture is a Monsanto insider, and those >> of >> us who are aware of what is going on in the world recognize Monsanto as >> the >> most evil of all the giant Agri-biz companies (think GMO, antibiotics in >> meat and roundup ready food crops, along with a plan to control all of >> our >> seeds). >> Likewise, the people Obama has chosen to run the financial aspects of >> our >> government are Wallstreet insiders and some of the very same people who >> were in charge of the banks we had to bail out. >> Now, returning once again to the health issues, here is the capper (thus >> far anyway): >> The person who may be responsible for more food-related illness and >> death >> than anyone in history has just been made the US food safety czar. This >> is >> no joke. >> >> Here's the back story. >> >> When FDA scientists were asked to weigh in on what was to become the >> most >> radical and potentially dangerous change in our food supply -- the >> introduction of genetically modified (GM) foods -- secret documents now >> reveal that >> the experts were very concerned. Memo after memo described toxins, new >> diseases, nutritional deficiencies, and hard-to-detect allergens. They >> were >> adamant that the technology carried " serious health hazards, " and >> required >> careful, long-term research, including human studies, before any >> genetically >> modified organisms (GMOs) could be safely released into the food supply. >> >> But the biotech industry had rigged the game so that neither _Science_ >> (http://www.curezone.com/c/?/forums/f.asp?f=443) nor scientists would >> stand in >> their way. They had placed their own man in charge of FDA policy and he >> wasn't going to be swayed by feeble arguments related to food safety. >> No, he >> was going to do what corporations had done for decades to get past these >> types of pesky concerns. He was going to lie. >> >> Dangerous Food Safety Lies >> >> When the FDA was constructing their _GMO_ (http://www.curezone.com/c/? >> /abbreviations.asp) policy in 1991-2, their scientists were clear that >> gene-sliced foods were significantly different and could lead to >> " different risks " >> than conventional foods. But official policy declared the opposite, >> claiming that the FDA knew nothing of significant differences, and >> declared GMOs >> substantially equivalent. >> >> This fiction became the rationale for allowing _GM_ >> (http://www.curezone.com/c/?/abbreviations.asp) foods on the market >> without any required safety >> studies whatsoever! The determination of whether GM foods were safe to >> eat >> was placed entirely in the hands of the companies that made them -- >> companies like Monsanto, which told us that the PCBs, DDT, and Agent >> Orange were >> safe. >> >> GMOs were rushed onto our plates in 1996. Over the next nine years, >> multiple chronic illnesses in the US nearly doubled -- from 7% to 13%. >> Allergy-related emergency room visits doubled between 1997 and 2002 >> while food >> allergies, especially among children, skyrocketed. We also witnessed a >> dramatic >> rise in asthma, autism, obesity, diabetes, digestive disorders, and >> certain >> cancers. >> >> In January of this year, Dr. P. M. Bhargava, one of the world's top >> biologists, told me that after reviewing 600 scientific journals, he >> concluded >> that the GM foods in the US are largely responsible for the increase in >> many >> serious diseases. >> >> In May, the American Academy of Environmental Medicine concluded that >> animal studies have demonstrated a causal relationship between GM foods >> and >> infertility, accelerated aging, dysfunctional insulin regulation, changes >> in >> major organs and the gastrointestinal system, and immune problems such as >> asthma, allergies, and inflammation >> >> In July, a report by eight international experts determined that the >> flimsy and superficial evaluations of GMOs by both regulators and GM >> companies >> " systematically overlook the side effects " and significantly >> underestimate >> " the initial signs of diseases like cancer and diseases of the hormonal, >> immune, nervous and reproductive systems, among others. " >> >> The Fox Guarding the Chickens >> >> If GMOs are indeed responsible for massive sickness and death, then the >> individual who oversaw the FDA policy that facilitated their >> introduction >> holds a uniquely infamous role in human history. That person is Michael >> Taylor. He had been Monsanto's attorney before becoming policy chief at >> the FDA. >> Soon after, he became Monsanto's vice president and chief lobbyist. >> >> This month Michael Taylor became the senior advisor to the commissioner >> of >> the FDA. He is now America's food safety czar. What have we done? >> >> The Milk Man Cometh >> >> While Taylor was at the FDA in the early 90's, he also oversaw the >> policy >> regarding Monsanto's genetically engineered bovine growth hormone >> (rbGH/rbST) -- injected into cows to increase milk supply. >> >> The milk from injected cows has more pus, more antibiotics, more bovine >> growth hormone, and most importantly, more insulin-like growth factor 1 >> (IGF-1). IGF-1 is a huge risk factor for common cancers and its high >> levels in >> this drugged milk is why so many medical organizations and hospitals >> have >> taken stands against rbGH. A former Monsanto scientist told me that when >> three of his Monsanto colleagues evaluated rbGH safety and discovered >> the >> elevated IGF-1 levels, even they refused to drink any more milk -- >> unless it was >> organic and therefore untreated. >> >> Government scientists from Canada evaluated the FDA's approval of rbGH >> and >> concluded that it was a dangerous facade. The drug was banned in Canada, >> as well as Europe, Japan, Australia and New Zealand. But it was approved >> in >> the US while Michael Taylor was in charge. His drugged milk might have >> caused a significant rise in US cancer rates. Additional published >> evidence >> also implicates rbGH in the high rate of fraternal twins in the US. >> >> Taylor also determined that milk from injected cows did not require any >> special labeling. And as a gift to his future employer Monsanto, he >> wrote a >> white paper suggesting that if companies ever had the audacity to label >> their products as not using rbGH, they should also include a disclaimer >> stating >> that according to the FDA, there is no difference between milk from >> treated and untreated cows. >> >> Taylor's disclaimer was also a lie. Monsanto's own studies and FDA >> scientists officially acknowledged differences in the drugged milk. No >> matter. >> Monsanto used Taylor's white paper as the basis to successfully sue >> dairies >> that labeled their products as rbGH-free. >> >> Will Monsanto's Wolff Also Guard the Chickens? >> >> As consumers learned that rbGH was dangerous, they refused to buy the >> milk. To keep their customers, a tidal wave of companies has publicly >> committed >> to not use the drug and to label their products as such. Monsanto tried >> unsuccessfully to convince the FDA and FTC to make it illegal for dairies >> to >> make rbGH-free claims, so they went to their special friend in >> Pennsylvania >> -- Dennis Wolff. As state secretary of agriculture, Wolff unilaterally >> declared that labeling products rbGH-free was illegal, and that all such >> labels must be removed from shelves statewide. This would, of course, >> eliminate >> the label from all national brands, as they couldn't afford to create >> separate packaging for just one state. >> >> Fortunately, consumer demand forced Pennsylvania'Fortunately, consumer >> demand forced Pennsylvania'<WBR>s Governor Ed Rendell to step in and stop >> Wolff's madness. But Rendell allowed Wolff to take a compromised position >> that >> now requires rbGH-free claims to also be >> >> President Obama is considering Dennis Wolff for the top food safety post >> at the USDA. Yikes! >> >> Rumor has it that the reason why Pennsylvania'Rumor has it that the >> reason why Pennsylvania'<WBR>s governor is supporting Wolff's >> appointment is to >> get him out of the state -- after he " screwed up so badly " >> >> Ohio Governor Gets Taylor-itus >> >> Ohio not only followed Pennsylvania'Ohio not only followed >> Pennsylvania'<WBR>s lead by requiring Tawent a step further. They >> declared that dairies >> must place that disclaimer on the same panel where rbGH-free claims are >> made, >> and even dictated the font size. This would force national brands to >> re-design their labels and may ultimately dissuade them from making >> rbGH-free >> claims at all. The Organic Trade Association and the International Dairy >> Foods Association filed a lawsuit against Ohio. Although they lost the >> first >> court battle, upon appeal, the judge ordered a mediation session that >> takes >> place today. Thousands of Ohio citizens have flooded Governor >> Strickland's >> office with urgent requests to withdraw the states anti-consumer >> labeling >> requirements. >> >> Perhaps the governor has an ulterior motive for pushing his new rules. >> If >> he goes ahead with his labeling plans, he might end up with a top >> appointment in the Obama administration. >> The truth is ugly sometimes, but knowing it may set you free. Once upon >> a >> time I was quite the liberal Democrat, and I am certainly no Republican >> today. But neither am I blind as I once was and I am very much involved >> in >> the efforts to insure health freedom and to restore liberty and freedom >> to >> the sovereign citizens of the sovereign states of the federal republic >> of >> the United States of America. >> OK, off my soapbox. This is not an invitation to begin a political >> debate, as that will detract from the main purpose of this group - >> beating and >> avoiding cancer and living longer, healthier and happier lives. But it >> had >> to be said. >> >> >> oleander soup@ In oleanoleandersooleande >> > >> > Can't you people see behind the seen, Obama is doing just exactly what >> he >> > need to do, you people need to look deeper than the surface to see >> > what >> is >> > really going on. >> > This is not business as usual, that ended with George Bush, this is a >> > completely different chapter. >> > Obama is a Spiritual person, with intentions and a soul contract to >> bring >> > Heaven to Earth, the Golden Age,. . . (pardon me while I barf - Tony) >> > > > > > --- > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 6, 2009 Report Share Posted August 6, 2009 Granted, but a lot of folks will only listen to doctors, unfortunately. oleander soup , " Tony " wrote: > > > Tell your diabetic friends to take a look at: > > Natural Help for Diabetes </Diabetes.htm> > > (/Diabetes.htm </Diabetes.htm> ) > > They will likely save a bundle and be much healthier in the process. > > All the best, > > > > > oleander soup , " Ruth Harris " <phoophh@> wrote: > > > > Maybe not millions, but thousands have. > > > > Have you ever gone to an ER for health care? I have. They do send you > a bill and if you don't pay it they will take action against you unless > you can prove you are indigent. A visit to the ER costs thousands of > dollars and if you can't pay, the government picks up the tab which is > another reason they want national health care to stop so many people > from using the ER for a doctor's office. This also puts a great strain > on emergency medicine with so many people clogging up the place for > treatment for non-emergency problems. > > > > Emergency rooms are no place to get regular medical care if you are > diabetic, for instance. Being diabetic can disqualify you from getting > private health insurance. I have diabetic friends who, until they > reached Medicare age, had to pay out of pocket for their health care. > None of them were rich so they were constantly worrying about going > bankrupt. > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 6, 2009 Report Share Posted August 6, 2009 oleander soup , " Bob Banever " <bbanever wrote: > > kcpopps, > > BS. We didn't " chose " to be controlled by evil. Evil happened because > the human condition is very sick, very weak, very greedy, and very arrogant. Hi Bob, Thanks, and I agree with everything you said - except the first nine words. I stand by my original statement. (and please trim those posts for us email users!) We DO in fact choose to be controlled by evil. We meaning the " collective " . You said it yourself - " the human condition is very sick, very weak, very greedy, and very arrogant " . Those things have evolved the way they have because of choices we have made as a collective. " We " are the ones who continue to put up with corrupt leadership. Most people just shrug their shoulders as if corrupt leadership is just a given. They shrug their shoulders and say, " Life is just how it is " . In other words, they mean " accept it and be quiet " . No. Silence is consent. Silence is a choice. " We " haved accepted corruption in almost every facet of our society. Little by little, we have slid right down that slippery slope we've been warned repeatedly of... and now, we are dangling off the side of a cliff with a slim grasp on our remaining freedoms. We are on the brink of losing everything. And people continue to pretend that it isn't happening. Looking away is a choice. You can tell people about these things and most will just blow it off as nonsense... crazy conspiracy theories or partisan political lies. They don't check it out themselves.... They prefer to believe it isn't true, so they ignore it. They shut out the truth. That is a choice. The members of this forum are mostly the exception to the rule, but the majority of the population is disconnected - lost in the Matrix The tragedy is, most want to stay there. That is a choice. That is choosing to be controlled by evil. It's a two sided coin - indeed, there is a great evil at work and it is cunning, devious, and endlessly resourceful... and it's nearly impossible for an individual to completely immunize himself from it. So yes, we are mis-led, tricked and goaded into all the traps and evils that plague us, yet at the same time, who is responsible? God? Did He turn us over to the devil, with no ability to resist? Or have we brought this all upon ourselves through our own choices as a collective? They are building a new, stronger cage for us now - through this atrocious and evil " health " bill, and a multitude of other constructions. The question to every individual is: will you step into your new cage voluntarily and be content there - Or do you dare to refuse it? - kcpopps Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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