OK, time for a rant on Obama and our health

August 10, 2009

Mike you are entirely correct. Hanging has considerably more emotional

baggage than starving old people or puncturing baby skulls while in the

birth canal. Must not hang anyone!

Now go listen to a few sermons from Pres. Obama's pastor of 20 years.

He believes he is owed, among other things, free health care. The

black liberation theology preached day in and out by Jeremiah Wright

makes David Manning sound sane. At least DM encourages people to

avoid government dependency. Of course, encouraging people to walk in

integrity is one of the best ways to do that.

Saralou

Mike Golden wrote:

Speaking opinion is one thing. Talking about hanging people is

quite a different story.

Mike

Bob

Banever <bbanever (AT) earthlink (DOT) net>

oleander soup

Friday, August

7, 2009 7:19:09 AM

Re:

OK, time for a rant on Obama and our health

Mike,

I'm simply speaking truth to power. When corporations and/or

individuals threaten our very existence, our very lives, then it's

imperative on us as patriots, as Americans, to change things. Tyranny

has no place in America or anywhere for that matter.

Bob

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Mike Golden

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Sent:

Thursday, August 06, 2009 4:20 PM

Subject:

Re: OK, time for a rant on Obama and our health

The level of violent rhetoric on the list is getting

uncomfortable. Words have weight. Please consider this.

Mike

Bob Banever <bbanever (AT) earthlink (DOT) net>

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Wednesday,

August 5, 2009 10:30:43 PM

Re:

OK, time for a rant on Obama and our health

Dr. Goebel,

Bravo. These evil nazi's must be stopped!

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Michael Goebel

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Tuesday, August 04, 2009 9:35 AM

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Re: OK, time for a ra

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August 10, 2009

Mike, seems you may have preached to one choir but definitely have tweaked the "torches and pitchfork" crew. And as one can see by the responses, you didn't manage to get the underlying tone to improve, just seems it's a continual rally for the same old, same old, reactionary talking points and idealogy. Good luck to you and thank you for trying to keep this about "healing" instead of l- - -ch mob mentality.--- On Mon, 8/10/09, RoseOttoGroups <RoseOttoGroups wrote:

RoseOttoGroups <RoseOttoGroupsRe: OK, time for a rant on Obama and our healtholeander soup Date: Monday, August 10, 2009, 2:41 PM

Mike you are entirely correct. Hanging has considerably more emotional baggage than starving old people or puncturing baby skulls while in the birth canal. Must not hang anyone! Now go listen to a few sermons from Pres. Obama's pastor of 20 years. He believes he is owed, among other things, free health care. The black liberation theology preached day in and out by Jeremiah Wright makes David Manning sound sane. At least DM encourages people to avoid government dependency. Of course, encouraging people to walk in integrity is one of the best ways to do that.Saralou

Mike Golden wrote:

Speaking opinion is one thing. Talking about hanging people is quite a different story.

Mike

Bob Banever <bbanever (AT) earthlink (DOT) net>oleander soupFriday, August 7, 2009 7:19:09 AMRe: OK, time for a rant on Obama and our health Mike,I'm simply speaking truth to power. When corporations and/or individuals threaten our very existence, our very lives, then it's imperative on us as patriots, as Americans, to change things. Tyranny has no place in America or anywhere for that matter.

Bob

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Mike Golden

oleander soup

Thursday, August 06, 2009 4:20 PM

Re: OK, time for a rant on Obama and our health

The level of violent rhetoric on the list is getting uncomfortable. Words have weight. Please consider this.

Mike

Bob Banever <bbanever (AT) earthlink (DOT) net>oleander soupWednesday, August 5, 2009 10:30:43 PMRe: OK, time for a rant on Obama and our health Dr. Goebel,Bravo. These evil nazi's must be stopped!

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Michael Goebel

oleander soup

Tuesday, August 04, 2009 9:35 AM

Re: OK, time for a ra

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August 10, 2009

Thank You!

RoseOttoGroups <RoseOttoGroupsoleander soup Sent: Monday, August 10, 2009 4:41:31 PMRe: OK, time for a rant on Obama and our health

Mike you are entirely correct. Hanging has considerably more emotional baggage than starving old people or puncturing baby skulls while in the birth canal. Must not hang anyone! Now go listen to a few sermons from Pres. Obama's pastor of 20 years. He believes he is owed, among other things, free health care. The black liberation theology preached day in and out by Jeremiah Wright makes David Manning sound sane. At least DM encourages people to avoid government dependency. Of course, encouraging people to walk in integrity is one of the best ways to do that.Saralou

Mike Golden wrote:

Speaking opinion is one thing. Talking about hanging people is quite a different story.

Mike

Bob Banever <bbanever (AT) earthlink (DOT) net>oleander soupFriday, August 7, 2009 7:19:09 AMRe: OK, time for a rant on Obama and our health Mike,I'm simply speaking truth to power. When corporations and/or individuals threaten our very existence, our very lives, then it's imperative on us as patriots, as Americans, to change things. Tyranny has no place in America or anywhere for that matter.

Bob

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Mike Golden

oleander soup

Thursday, August 06, 2009 4:20 PM

Re: OK, time for a rant on Obama and our health

The level of violent rhetoric on the list is getting uncomfortable. Words have weight. Please consider this.

Mike

Bob Banever <bbanever (AT) earthlink (DOT) net>oleander soupWednesday, August 5, 2009 10:30:43 PMRe: OK, time for a rant on Obama and our health Dr. Goebel,Bravo. These evil nazi's must be stopped!

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Michael Goebel

oleander soup

Tuesday, August 04, 2009 9:35 AM

Re: OK, time for a ra

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August 10, 2009

Forget about it!!!

Mike Golden <goldenmike86oleander soup Sent: Monday, August 10, 2009 3:13:08 PMRe: OK, time for a rant on Obama and our health

Is was published in the thread, not necessarily by you. I was commenting on the tone of the thread. Specifically it was something about "hanging them from yardarms". I like pirates as much as the next guy, but the thread was becomming vocally violent, particularly for a healing website. There are people on here seeking relief from cancer. Violent tone does not help, in fact angry tone is not so productive either.

Mike

Bob Banever <bbanever (AT) earthlink (DOT) net>oleander soupMonday, August 10, 2009 1:03:18 AMRe: OK, time for a rant on Obama and our health

Mike,

Excuse me, but where did I mention anything about hanging people?

TIA.

Bob

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Mike Golden

oleander soup

Friday, August 07, 2009 7:44 AM

Re: OK, time for a rant on Obama and our health

Speaking opinion is one thing. Talking about hanging people is quite a different story.

Mike

Bob Banever <bbanever (AT) earthlink (DOT) net>oleander soupFriday, August 7, 2009 7:19:09 AMRe: OK, time for a rant on Obama and our health

Mike,

I'm simply speaking truth to power. When corporations and/or individuals threaten our very existence, our very lives, then it's imperative on us as patriots, as Americans, to change things. Tyranny has no place in America or anywhere for that matter.

Bob

-

Mike Golden

oleander soup

Thursday, August 06, 2009 4:20 PM

Re: OK, time for a rant on Obama and our health

The level of violent rhetoric on the list is getting uncomfortable. Words have weight. Please consider this.

Mike

Bob Banever <bbanever (AT) earthlink (DOT) net>oleander soupWednesday, August 5, 2009 10:30:43 PMRe: OK, time for a rant on Obama and our health

Dr. Goebel,

Bravo. These evil nazi's must be stopped!

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Michael Goebel

oleander soup

Tuesday, August 04, 2009 9:35 AM

Re: OK, time for a rant on Obama and our health

Thank you for your RANT. God bless you! Now would about 100 million citizens scream the rant also! We need to hang the traitors and thieves.Dr. Goebel--- On Tue, 8/4/09, Tony > wrote:

Tony > OK, time for a rant on Obama and our healtholeander soupTuesday, August 4, 2009, 9:13 AM

I usually try to keep politics out of this group - but since the abomination of the bill that is being called Obamacare and agriculture regulations that favor Big Pharma and Big Food are being rammed down our throats to the detriment of our health whether we like it or not, and those regulations have come largely from people Obama has appointed to office, I do have some things to say.

First of all, Obama is no spiritual beingl. That is all smoke and mirrors and deception, the same as the rest of Obama and the same as his completely inexcusable refusal to reveal his original birth certificate or release his college records. Far from any savior or "being of light" as one person recently described him on another forum, he is merely a new face on the latest in a very long string of puppets that have served anything but the interests of the common citizens. Being of light? I am not sure that any beings of light have ever come out of the corrupt Chicago political organization. But perhaps he is a being of light in some respects - such as light on experience, light on integrity, light on truth, and light on his feet as he tap dances around in front of the cameras pretending to be our savior when he is is nothing more than the

latest tool of the new world order elite to further their agenda.

Like W. E. B. Griffith and others have tried to tell us, the two party system of Republican and Democrat is an engineered box we have been trapped into. It is just an illusion - smoke and mirrors and word games - that we have been trapped into. They have rigged the game so that it is virtually impossible for any other party or and independent candidate to have a chance, and further insured control of elections with easily manipulated Diebold voting machines (did you know that the people who run that company are ex-felons, btw?). At the top, both parties have the same masters and the same agenda- they simply approach it from different angles. And you can take this to the funny-money bank: no-one gets elected at the top of the ticket that has not been vetted and pre-approved by the Bilderburgs.

If the poor dumbed down, reality show watching, filterd news consuming sheeple were not so blind, that should have been imminently apparent during Bush's last race which featured two Skull and Bones members squared off against one another, and even more apparent when we were tricked into a war of mass deception for the sake of big oil and the Halliburton profiteers as well as Bush's huge expansion of government, his presidential signings that eroded our freedoms, the rushed bail out that did nothing to free up credit or help the financial crisis, and his virtual abandonment of the conservative principles he espoused during his campaign.

In the instance of Obama, it is more of the same, just as it would have been with McCain - except Obama has the pedal all the way to the floor to hasten the New World Order's plans to bring America to her knees and eliminate their greatest obstacle to a one-world government by the elite, of the elite and for the elite. I will point out that no administration has ever had the number of Council of Foreign Relations, Trilateral Commission, and Bilderburg members as Obama's. His choice for Healthcare was a Merck insider and, though he had to withdraw in scandal due to failure to pay taxes, the Obamacare bill has his signature all over it. Most of you will recognize Merck as the company that brought us Vioxx and, along with their lackeys in the FDA, fought to keep it on the market until over 60,000 deaths (more than the entire Vietnam War) were attributed to it. And then there is

Avandia, Fosamax and the horrendous Gardasil vaccine jabs they bribed government officials to endorse and even make mandatory for our young school girls.

Obama's choice to head up Agriculture is a Monsanto insider, and those of us who are aware of what is going on in the world recognize Monsanto as the most evil of all the giant Agri-biz companies (think GMO, antibiotics in meat and roundup ready food crops, along with a plan to control all of our seeds).

Likewise, the people Obama has chosen to run the financial aspects of our government are Wallstreet insiders and some of the very same people who were in charge of the banks we had to bail out.

Now, returning once again to the health issues, here is the capper (thus far anyway):

The person who may be responsible for more food-related illness and death than anyone in history has just been made the US food safety czar. This is no joke.Here's the back story.When FDA scientists were asked to weigh in on what was to become the most radical and potentially dangerous change in our food supply -- the introduction of genetically modified (GM) foods -- secret documents now reveal that the experts were very concerned. Memo after memo described toxins, new diseases, nutritional deficiencies, and hard-to-detect allergens. They were adamant that the technology carried "serious health hazards," and required careful, long-term research, including human studies, before any genetically modified organisms (GMOs) could be safely released into the food supply.But the biotech industry had rigged the game so that neither Science nor scientists would stand in their way. They had placed their own man in charge of FDA policy and he wasn't going to be swayed by feeble arguments related to food safety. No, he was going to do what corporations had done for decades to get past these types of pesky concerns. He was going to lie.Dangerous Food Safety LiesWhen the FDA was constructing their GMO policy in 1991-2, their scientists were clear that gene-sliced foods were significantly different and could lead to "different risks" than conventional

foods. But official policy declared the opposite, claiming that the FDA knew nothing of significant differences, and declared GMOs substantially equivalent.This fiction became the rationale for allowing GM foods on the market without any required safety studies whatsoever! The determination of whether GM foods were safe to eat was placed entirely in the hands of the companies that made them -- companies like Monsanto, which told us that the PCBs, DDT, and Agent Orange were safe.GMOs were rushed onto our plates in 1996. Over the next nine years, multiple chronic illnesses in the US nearly doubled -- from 7% to 13%. Allergy-related emergency room visits doubled between 1997 and 2002 while food allergies, especially

among children, skyrocketed. We also witnessed a dramatic rise in asthma, autism, obesity, diabetes, digestive disorders, and certain cancers.In January of this year, Dr. P. M. Bhargava, one of the world's top biologists, told me that after reviewing 600 scientific journals, he concluded that the GM foods in the US are largely responsible for the increase in many serious diseases.In May, the American Academy of Environmental Medicine concluded that animal studies have demonstrated a causal relationship between GM foods and infertility, accelerated aging, dysfunctional insulin regulation, changes in major organs and the gastrointestinal system, and immune problems such as asthma, allergies, and inflammationIn July, a report by eight international experts determined that the flimsy and superficial evaluations of GMOs by both regulators and GM companies "systematically overlook the side effects" and significantly underestimate "the

initial signs of diseases like cancer and diseases of the hormonal, immune, nervous and reproductive systems, among others."The Fox Guarding the ChickensIf GMOs are indeed responsible for massive sickness and death, then the individual who oversaw the FDA policy that facilitated their introduction holds a uniquely infamous role in human history. That person is Michael Taylor. He had been Monsanto's attorney before becoming policy chief at the FDA. Soon after, he became Monsanto's vice president and chief lobbyist.This month Michael Taylor became the senior advisor to the commissioner of the FDA. He is now America's food safety czar. What have we done?The Milk Man ComethWhile Taylor was at the FDA in the early 90's, he also oversaw the policy regarding Monsanto's genetically engineered bovine growth hormone (rbGH/rbST) -- injected into cows to increase milk supply.The milk from injected cows has more pus,

more antibiotics, more bovine growth hormone, and most importantly, more insulin-like growth factor 1 (IGF-1). IGF-1 is a huge risk factor for common cancers and its high levels in this drugged milk is why so many medical organizations and hospitals have taken stands against rbGH. A former Monsanto scientist told me that when three of his Monsanto colleagues evaluated rbGH safety and discovered the elevated IGF-1 levels, even they refused to drink any more milk -- unless it was organic and therefore untreated.Government scientists from Canada evaluated the FDA's approval of rbGH and concluded that it was a dangerous facade. The drug was banned in Canada, as well as Europe, Japan, Australia and New Zealand. But it was approved in the US while Michael Taylor was in charge. His drugged milk might have caused a significant rise in US cancer rates. Additional published evidence also implicates rbGH in the high rate of fraternal twins in the

US.Taylor also determined that milk from injected cows did not require any special labeling. And as a gift to his future employer Monsanto, he wrote a white paper suggesting that if companies ever had the audacity to label their products as not using rbGH, they should also include a disclaimer stating that according to the FDA, there is no difference between milk from treated and untreated cows.Taylor's disclaimer was also a lie. Monsanto's own studies and FDA scientists officially acknowledged differences in the drugged milk. No matter. Monsanto used Taylor's white paper as the basis to successfully sue dairies that labeled their products as rbGH-free.Will Monsanto's Wolff Also Guard the Chickens?As consumers learned that rbGH was dangerous, they refused to buy the milk. To keep their customers, a tidal wave of companies has publicly committed to not use the drug and to label their products as such. Monsanto tried

unsuccessfully to convince the FDA and FTC to make it illegal for dairies to make rbGH-free claims, so they went to their special friend in Pennsylvania -- Dennis Wolff. As state secretary of agriculture, Wolff unilaterally declared that labeling products rbGH-free was illegal, and that all such labels must be removed from shelves statewide. This would, of course, eliminate the label from all national brands, as they couldn't afford to create separate packaging for just one state.Fortunately, consumer demand forced Pennsylvania' s Governor Ed Rendell to step in and stop Wolff's madness. But Rendell allowed Wolff to take a compromised position that now requires rbGH-free claims to also be accompanied by Taylor's FDA disclaimer on the package.President Obama is considering Dennis Wolff for the top food safety post at the USDA. Yikes!Rumor has it that the reason why Pennsylvania' s governor is supporting Wolff's appointment is to

get him out of the state -- after he "screwed up so badly" with the rbGH decision. Oh great, governor. Thanks.Ohio Governor Gets Taylor-itusOhio not only followed Pennsylvania' s lead by requiring Taylor's FDA disclaimer on packaging, they went a step further. They declared that dairies must place that disclaimer on the same panel where rbGH-free claims are made, and even dictated the font size. This would force national brands to re-design their labels and may ultimately dissuade them from making rbGH-free claims at all. The Organic Trade Association and the International Dairy Foods Association filed a lawsuit against Ohio. Although they lost the first court battle, upon appeal, the judge ordered a mediation session that takes place today. Thousands of Ohio citizens have flooded Governor Strickland's office with urgent requests to withdraw the states anti-consumer labeling requirements.Perhaps the governor has an ulterior

motive for pushing his new rules. If he goes ahead with his labeling plans, he might end up with a top appointment in the Obama administration.

The truth is ugly sometimes, but knowing it may set you free. Once upon a time I was quite the liberal Democrat, and I am certainly no Republican today. But neither am I blind as I once was and I am very much involved in the efforts to insure health freedom and to restore liberty and freedom to the sovereign citizens of the sovereign states of the federal republic of the United States of America.

OK, off my soapbox. This is not an invitation to begin a political debate, as that will detract from the main purpose of this group - beating and avoiding cancer and living longer, healthier and happier lives. But it had to be said.

oleander soup, rleeh2001@.. . wrote:>> Can't you people see behind the seen, Obama is doing just exactly what he > need to do, you people need to look deeper than the surface to see what is > really going on.> This is not business as usual, that ended with George Bush, this is a > completely different chapter. > Obama is a Spiritual person, with intentions and a soul contract to bring > Heaven to Earth, the Golden Age,. . . (pardon me while I barf - Tony)