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I usually try to keep politics out of this group - but since the abomination of the bill that is being called Obamacare and agriculture regulations that favor Big Pharma and Big Food are being rammed down our throats to the detriment of our health whether we like it or not, and those regulations have come largely from people Obama has appointed to office, I do have some things to say.

First of all, Obama is no spiritual beingl. That is all smoke and mirrors and deception, the same as the rest of Obama and the same as his completely inexcusable refusal to reveal his original birth certificate or release his college records. Far from any savior or "being of light" as one person recently described him on another forum, he is merely a new face on the latest in a very long string of puppets that have served anything but the interests of the common citizens. Being of light? I am not sure that any beings of light have ever come out of the corrupt Chicago political organization. But perhaps he is a being of light in some respects - such as light on experience, light on integrity, light on truth, and light on his feet as he tap dances around in front of the cameras pretending to be our savior when he is is nothing more than the latest tool of the new world order elite to further their agenda.

Like W. E. B. Griffith and others have tried to tell us, the two party system of Republican and Democrat is an engineered box we have been trapped into. It is just an illusion - smoke and mirrors and word games - that we have been trapped into. They have rigged the game so that it is virtually impossible for any other party or and independent candidate to have a chance, and further insured control of elections with easily manipulated Diebold voting machines (did you know that the people who run that company are ex-felons, btw?). At the top, both parties have the same masters and the same agenda- they simply approach it from different angles. And you can take this to the funny-money bank: no-one gets elected at the top of the ticket that has not been vetted and pre-approved by the Bilderburgs.

If the poor dumbed down, reality show watching, filterd news consuming sheeple were not so blind, that should have been imminently apparent during Bush's last race which featured two Skull and Bones members squared off against one another, and even more apparent when we were tricked into a war of mass deception for the sake of big oil and the Halliburton profiteers as well as Bush's huge expansion of government, his presidential signings that eroded our freedoms, the rushed bail out that did nothing to free up credit or help the financial crisis, and his virtual abandonment of the conservative principles he espoused during his campaign.

In the instance of Obama, it is more of the same, just as it would have been with McCain - except Obama has the pedal all the way to the floor to hasten the New World Order's plans to bring America to her knees and eliminate their greatest obstacle to a one-world government by the elite, of the elite and for the elite. I will point out that no administration has ever had the number of Council of Foreign Relations, Trilateral Commission, and Bilderburg members as Obama's. His choice for Healthcare was a Merck insider and, though he had to withdraw in scandal due to failure to pay taxes, the Obamacare bill has his signature all over it. Most of you will recognize Merck as the company that brought us Vioxx and, along with their lackeys in the FDA, fought to keep it on the market until over 60,000 deaths (more than the entire Vietnam War) were attributed to it. And then there is Avandia, Fosamax and the horrendous Gardasil vaccine jabs they bribed government officials to endorse and even make mandatory for our young school girls.

Obama's choice to head up Agriculture is a Monsanto insider, and those of us who are aware of what is going on in the world recognize Monsanto as the most evil of all the giant Agri-biz companies (think GMO, antibiotics in meat and roundup ready food crops, along with a plan to control all of our seeds).

Likewise, the people Obama has chosen to run the financial aspects of our government are Wallstreet insiders and some of the very same people who were in charge of the banks we had to bail out.

Now, returning once again to the health issues, here is the capper (thus far anyway):

The person who may be responsible for more food-related illness and death than anyone in history has just been made the US food safety czar. This is no joke.Here's the back story.When FDA scientists were asked to weigh in on what was to become the most radical and potentially dangerous change in our food supply -- the introduction of genetically modified (GM) foods -- secret documents now reveal that the experts were very concerned. Memo after memo described toxins, new diseases, nutritional deficiencies, and hard-to-detect allergens. They were adamant that the technology carried "serious health hazards," and required careful, long-term research, including human studies, before any genetically modified organisms (GMOs) could be safely released into the food supply.But the biotech industry had rigged the game so that neither Science nor scientists would stand in their way. They had placed their own man in charge of FDA policy and he wasn't going to be swayed by feeble arguments related to food safety. No, he was going to do what corporations had done for decades to get past these types of pesky concerns. He was going to lie.Dangerous Food Safety LiesWhen the FDA was constructing their GMO policy in 1991-2, their scientists were clear that gene-sliced foods were significantly different and could lead to "different risks" than conventional foods. But official policy declared the opposite, claiming that the FDA knew nothing of significant differences, and declared GMOs substantially equivalent.This fiction became the rationale for allowing GM foods on the market without any required safety studies whatsoever! The determination of whether GM foods were safe to eat was placed entirely in the hands of the companies that made them -- companies like Monsanto, which told us that the PCBs, DDT, and Agent Orange were safe.GMOs were rushed onto our plates in 1996. Over the next nine years, multiple chronic illnesses in the US nearly doubled -- from 7% to 13%. Allergy-related emergency room visits doubled between 1997 and 2002 while food allergies, especially among children, skyrocketed. We also witnessed a dramatic rise in asthma, autism, obesity, diabetes, digestive disorders, and certain cancers.In January of this year, Dr. P. M. Bhargava, one of the world's top biologists, told me that after reviewing 600 scientific journals, he concluded that the GM foods in the US are largely responsible for the increase in many serious diseases.In May, the American Academy of Environmental Medicine concluded that animal studies have demonstrated a causal relationship between GM foods and infertility, accelerated aging, dysfunctional insulin regulation, changes in major organs and the gastrointestinal system, and immune problems such as asthma, allergies, and inflammationIn July, a report by eight international experts determined that the flimsy and superficial evaluations of GMOs by both regulators and GM companies "systematically overlook the side effects" and significantly underestimate "the initial signs of diseases like cancer and diseases of the hormonal, immune, nervous and reproductive systems, among others."The Fox Guarding the ChickensIf GMOs are indeed responsible for massive sickness and death, then the individual who oversaw the FDA policy that facilitated their introduction holds a uniquely infamous role in human history. That person is Michael Taylor. He had been Monsanto's attorney before becoming policy chief at the FDA. Soon after, he became Monsanto's vice president and chief lobbyist.This month Michael Taylor became the senior advisor to the commissioner of the FDA. He is now America's food safety czar. What have we done?The Milk Man ComethWhile Taylor was at the FDA in the early 90's, he also oversaw the policy regarding Monsanto's genetically engineered bovine growth hormone (rbGH/rbST) -- injected into cows to increase milk supply.The milk from injected cows has more pus, more antibiotics, more bovine growth hormone, and most importantly, more insulin-like growth factor 1 (IGF-1). IGF-1 is a huge risk factor for common cancers and its high levels in this drugged milk is why so many medical organizations and hospitals have taken stands against rbGH. A former Monsanto scientist told me that when three of his Monsanto colleagues evaluated rbGH safety and discovered the elevated IGF-1 levels, even they refused to drink any more milk -- unless it was organic and therefore untreated.Government scientists from Canada evaluated the FDA's approval of rbGH and concluded that it was a dangerous facade. The drug was banned in Canada, as well as Europe, Japan, Australia and New Zealand. But it was approved in the US while Michael Taylor was in charge. His drugged milk might have caused a significant rise in US cancer rates. Additional published evidence also implicates rbGH in the high rate of fraternal twins in the US.Taylor also determined that milk from injected cows did not require any special labeling. And as a gift to his future employer Monsanto, he wrote a white paper suggesting that if companies ever had the audacity to label their products as not using rbGH, they should also include a disclaimer stating that according to the FDA, there is no difference between milk from treated and untreated cows.Taylor's disclaimer was also a lie. Monsanto's own studies and FDA scientists officially acknowledged differences in the drugged milk. No matter. Monsanto used Taylor's white paper as the basis to successfully sue dairies that labeled their products as rbGH-free.Will Monsanto's Wolff Also Guard the Chickens?As consumers learned that rbGH was dangerous, they refused to buy the milk. To keep their customers, a tidal wave of companies has publicly committed to not use the drug and to label their products as such. Monsanto tried unsuccessfully to convince the FDA and FTC to make it illegal for dairies to make rbGH-free claims, so they went to their special friend in Pennsylvania -- Dennis Wolff. As state secretary of agriculture, Wolff unilaterally declared that labeling products rbGH-free was illegal, and that all such labels must be removed from shelves statewide. This would, of course, eliminate the label from all national brands, as they couldn't afford to create separate packaging for just one state.Fortunately, consumer demand forced Pennsylvania's Governor Ed Rendell to step in and stop Wolff's madness. But Rendell allowed Wolff to take a compromised position that now requires rbGH-free claims to also be accompanied by Taylor's FDA disclaimer on the package.President Obama is considering Dennis Wolff for the top food safety post at the USDA. Yikes!Rumor has it that the reason why Pennsylvania's governor is supporting Wolff's appointment is to get him out of the state -- after he "screwed up so badly" with the rbGH decision. Oh great, governor. Thanks.Ohio Governor Gets Taylor-itusOhio not only followed Pennsylvania's lead by requiring Taylor's FDA disclaimer on packaging, they went a step further. They declared that dairies must place that disclaimer on the same panel where rbGH-free claims are made, and even dictated the font size. This would force national brands to re-design their labels and may ultimately dissuade them from making rbGH-free claims at all. The Organic Trade Association and the International Dairy Foods Association filed a lawsuit against Ohio. Although they lost the first court battle, upon appeal, the judge ordered a mediation session that takes place today. Thousands of Ohio citizens have flooded Governor Strickland's office with urgent requests to withdraw the states anti-consumer labeling requirements.Perhaps the governor has an ulterior motive for pushing his new rules. If he goes ahead with his labeling plans, he might end up with a top appointment in the Obama administration.

The truth is ugly sometimes, but knowing it may set you free. Once upon a time I was quite the liberal Democrat, and I am certainly no Republican today. But neither am I blind as I once was and I am very much involved in the efforts to insure health freedom and to restore liberty and freedom to the sovereign citizens of the sovereign states of the federal republic of the United States of America.

OK, off my soapbox. This is not an invitation to begin a political debate, as that will detract from the main purpose of this group - beating and avoiding cancer and living longer, healthier and happier lives. But it had to be said.

oleander soup , rleeh2001 wrote:>> Can't you people see behind the seen, Obama is doing just exactly what he > need to do, you people need to look deeper than the surface to see what is > really going on.> This is not business as usual, that ended with George Bush, this is a > completely different chapter. > Obama is a Spiritual person, with intentions and a soul contract to bring > Heaven to Earth, the Golden Age,. . . (pardon me while I barf - Tony)

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Well said, Tony. I think we are headed to a " Logan's Run " society where you

may be deemed too sick/old to treat. This list and others like it may become

more and more important as healthcare becomes harder to obtain. Thank you all

for sharing information and helping each other without Big Brother's

intervention.

 

Darren

 

 

oleander soup , " Tony " wrote:

>

>

> I usually try to keep politics out of this group - but since the

> abomination of the bill that is being called Obamacare and agriculture

> regulations that favor Big Pharma and Big Food are being rammed down our

> throats to the detriment of our health whether we like it or not, and

> those regulations have come largely from people Obama has appointed to

> office, I do have some things to say.

>

> First of all, Obama is no spiritual beingl. That is all smoke and

> mirrors and deception, the same as the rest of Obama and the same as his

> completely inexcusable refusal to reveal his original birth certificate

> or release his college records. Far from any savior or " being of

> light " as one person recently described him on another forum, he is

> merely a new face on the latest in a very long string of puppets that

> have served anything but the interests of the common citizens. Being of

> light? I am not sure that any beings of light have ever come out of the

> corrupt Chicago political organization. But perhaps he is a being of

> light in some respects - such as light on experience, light on

> integrity, light on truth, and light on his feet as he tap dances around

> in front of the cameras pretending to be our savior when he is is

> nothing more than the latest tool of the new world order elite to

> further their agenda.

>

> Like W. E. B. Griffith and others have tried to tell us, the two party

> system of Republican and Democrat is an engineered box we have been

> trapped into. It is just an illusion - smoke and mirrors and word games

> - that we have been trapped into. They have rigged the game so that it

> is virtually impossible for any other party or and independent candidate

> to have a chance, and further insured control of elections with easily

> manipulated Diebold voting machines (did you know that the people who

> run that company are ex-felons, btw?). At the top, both parties have

> the same masters and the same agenda- they simply approach it from

> different angles. And you can take this to the funny-money bank:

> no-one gets elected at the top of the ticket that has not been vetted

> and pre-approved by the Bilderburgs.

>

> If the poor dumbed down, reality show watching, filterd news consuming

> sheeple were not so blind, that should have been imminently apparent

> during Bush's last race which featured two Skull and Bones members

> squared off against one another, and even more apparent when we were

> tricked into a war of mass deception for the sake of big oil and the

> Halliburton profiteers as well as Bush's huge expansion of government,

> his presidential signings that eroded our freedoms, the rushed bail out

> that did nothing to free up credit or help the financial crisis, and his

> virtual abandonment of the conservative principles he espoused during

> his campaign.

>

> In the instance of Obama, it is more of the same, just as it would have

> been with McCain - except Obama has the pedal all the way to the floor

> to hasten the New World Order's plans to bring America to her knees and

> eliminate their greatest obstacle to a one-world government by the

> elite, of the elite and for the elite. I will point out that no

> administration has ever had the number of Council of Foreign Relations,

> Trilateral Commission, and Bilderburg members as Obama's. His choice

> for Healthcare was a Merck insider and, though he had to withdraw in

> scandal due to failure to pay taxes, the Obamacare bill has his

> signature all over it. Most of you will recognize Merck as the company

> that brought us Vioxx and, along with their lackeys in the FDA, fought

> to keep it on the market until over 60,000 deaths (more than the entire

> Vietnam War) were attributed to it. And then there is Avandia, Fosamax

> and the horrendous Gardasil vaccine jabs they bribed government

> officials to endorse and even make mandatory for our young school girls.

>

> Obama's choice to head up Agriculture is a Monsanto insider, and those

> of us who are aware of what is going on in the world recognize Monsanto

> as the most evil of all the giant Agri-biz companies (think GMO,

> antibiotics in meat and roundup ready food crops, along with a plan to

> control all of our seeds).

>

> Likewise, the people Obama has chosen to run the financial aspects of

> our government are Wallstreet insiders and some of the very same people

> who were in charge of the banks we had to bail out.

>

> Now, returning once again to the health issues, here is the capper (thus

> far anyway):

>

> The person who may be responsible for more food-related illness and

> death than anyone in history has just been made the US food safety czar.

> This is no joke.

>

> Here's the back story.

>

> When FDA scientists were asked to weigh in on what was to become the

> most radical and potentially dangerous change in our food supply -- the

> introduction of genetically modified (GM) foods -- secret documents now

> reveal that the experts were very concerned. Memo after memo described

> toxins, new diseases, nutritional deficiencies, and hard-to-detect

> allergens. They were adamant that the technology carried " serious health

> hazards, " and required careful, long-term research, including human

> studies, before any genetically modified organisms (GMOs) could be

> safely released into the food supply.

>

> But the biotech industry had rigged the game so that neither Science

> <http://www.curezone.com/c/?/forums/f.asp?f=443> nor scientists would

> stand in their way. They had placed their own man in charge of FDA

> policy and he wasn't going to be swayed by feeble arguments related to

> food safety. No, he was going to do what corporations had done for

> decades to get past these types of pesky concerns. He was going to lie.

>

> Dangerous Food Safety Lies

>

> When the FDA was constructing their GMO

> <http://www.curezone.com/c/?/abbreviations.asp> policy in 1991-2, their

> scientists were clear that gene-sliced foods were significantly

> different and could lead to " different risks " than conventional foods.

> But official policy declared the opposite, claiming that the FDA knew

> nothing of significant differences, and declared GMOs substantially

> equivalent.

>

> This fiction became the rationale for allowing GM

> <http://www.curezone.com/c/?/abbreviations.asp> foods on the market

> without any required safety studies whatsoever! The determination of

> whether GM foods were safe to eat was placed entirely in the hands of

> the companies that made them -- companies like Monsanto, which told us

> that the PCBs, DDT, and Agent Orange were safe.

>

> GMOs were rushed onto our plates in 1996. Over the next nine years,

> multiple chronic illnesses in the US nearly doubled -- from 7% to 13%.

> Allergy-related emergency room visits doubled between 1997 and 2002

> while food allergies, especially among children, skyrocketed. We also

> witnessed a dramatic rise in asthma, autism, obesity, diabetes,

> digestive disorders, and certain cancers.

>

> In January of this year, Dr. P. M. Bhargava, one of the world's top

> biologists, told me that after reviewing 600 scientific journals, he

> concluded that the GM foods in the US are largely responsible for the

> increase in many serious diseases.

>

> In May, the American Academy of Environmental Medicine concluded that

> animal studies have demonstrated a causal relationship between GM foods

> and infertility, accelerated aging, dysfunctional insulin regulation,

> changes in major organs and the gastrointestinal system, and immune

> problems such as asthma, allergies, and inflammation

>

> In July, a report by eight international experts determined that the

> flimsy and superficial evaluations of GMOs by both regulators and GM

> companies " systematically overlook the side effects " and significantly

> underestimate " the initial signs of diseases like cancer and diseases of

> the hormonal, immune, nervous and reproductive systems, among others. "

>

> The Fox Guarding the Chickens

>

> If GMOs are indeed responsible for massive sickness and death, then the

> individual who oversaw the FDA policy that facilitated their

> introduction holds a uniquely infamous role in human history. That

> person is Michael Taylor. He had been Monsanto's attorney before

> becoming policy chief at the FDA. Soon after, he became Monsanto's vice

> president and chief lobbyist.

>

> This month Michael Taylor became the senior advisor to the commissioner

> of the FDA. He is now America's food safety czar. What have we done?

>

> The Milk Man Cometh

>

> While Taylor was at the FDA in the early 90's, he also oversaw the

> policy regarding Monsanto's genetically engineered bovine growth hormone

> (rbGH/rbST) -- injected into cows to increase milk supply.

>

> The milk from injected cows has more pus, more antibiotics, more bovine

> growth hormone, and most importantly, more insulin-like growth factor 1

> (IGF-1). IGF-1 is a huge risk factor for common cancers and its high

> levels in this drugged milk is why so many medical organizations and

> hospitals have taken stands against rbGH. A former Monsanto scientist

> told me that when three of his Monsanto colleagues evaluated rbGH safety

> and discovered the elevated IGF-1 levels, even they refused to drink any

> more milk -- unless it was organic and therefore untreated.

>

> Government scientists from Canada evaluated the FDA's approval of rbGH

> and concluded that it was a dangerous facade. The drug was banned in

> Canada, as well as Europe, Japan, Australia and New Zealand. But it was

> approved in the US while Michael Taylor was in charge. His drugged milk

> might have caused a significant rise in US cancer rates. Additional

> published evidence also implicates rbGH in the high rate of fraternal

> twins in the US.

>

> Taylor also determined that milk from injected cows did not require any

> special labeling. And as a gift to his future employer Monsanto, he

> wrote a white paper suggesting that if companies ever had the audacity

> to label their products as not using rbGH, they should also include a

> disclaimer stating that according to the FDA, there is no difference

> between milk from treated and untreated cows.

>

> Taylor's disclaimer was also a lie. Monsanto's own studies and FDA

> scientists officially acknowledged differences in the drugged milk. No

> matter. Monsanto used Taylor's white paper as the basis to successfully

> sue dairies that labeled their products as rbGH-free.

>

> Will Monsanto's Wolff Also Guard the Chickens?

>

> As consumers learned that rbGH was dangerous, they refused to buy the

> milk. To keep their customers, a tidal wave of companies has publicly

> committed to not use the drug and to label their products as such.

> Monsanto tried unsuccessfully to convince the FDA and FTC to make it

> illegal for dairies to make rbGH-free claims, so they went to their

> special friend in Pennsylvania -- Dennis Wolff. As state secretary of

> agriculture, Wolff unilaterally declared that labeling products

> rbGH-free was illegal, and that all such labels must be removed from

> shelves statewide. This would, of course, eliminate the label from all

> national brands, as they couldn't afford to create separate packaging

> for just one state.

>

> Fortunately, consumer demand forced Pennsylvania's Governor Ed Rendell

> to step in and stop Wolff's madness. But Rendell allowed Wolff to take a

> compromised position that now requires rbGH-free claims to also be

> accompanied by Taylor's FDA disclaimer on the package.

>

> President Obama is considering Dennis Wolff for the top food safety post

> at the USDA. Yikes!

>

> Rumor has it that the reason why Pennsylvania's governor is supporting

> Wolff's appointment is to get him out of the state -- after he " screwed

> up so badly " with the rbGH decision. Oh great, governor. Thanks.

>

> Ohio Governor Gets Taylor-itus

>

> Ohio not only followed Pennsylvania's lead by requiring Taylor's FDA

> disclaimer on packaging, they went a step further. They declared that

> dairies must place that disclaimer on the same panel where rbGH-free

> claims are made, and even dictated the font size. This would force

> national brands to re-design their labels and may ultimately dissuade

> them from making rbGH-free claims at all. The Organic Trade Association

> and the International Dairy Foods Association filed a lawsuit against

> Ohio. Although they lost the first court battle, upon appeal, the judge

> ordered a mediation session that takes place today. Thousands of Ohio

> citizens have flooded Governor Strickland's office with urgent requests

> to withdraw the states anti-consumer labeling requirements.

>

> Perhaps the governor has an ulterior motive for pushing his new rules.

> If he goes ahead with his labeling plans, he might end up with a top

> appointment in the Obama administration.

>

> The truth is ugly sometimes, but knowing it may set you free. Once upon

> a time I was quite the liberal Democrat, and I am certainly no

> Republican today. But neither am I blind as I once was and I am very

> much involved in the efforts to insure health freedom and to restore

> liberty and freedom to the sovereign citizens of the sovereign states of

> the federal republic of the United States of America.

>

> OK, off my soapbox. This is not an invitation to begin a political

> debate, as that will detract from the main purpose of this group -

> beating and avoiding cancer and living longer, healthier and happier

> lives. But it had to be said.

>

> >

>

> oleander soup , rleeh2001@ wrote:

> >

> > Can't you people see behind the seen, Obama is doing just exactly what

> he

> > need to do, you people need to look deeper than the surface to see

> what is

> > really going on.

> > This is not business as usual, that ended with George Bush, this is a

> > completely different chapter.

> > Obama is a Spiritual person, with intentions and a soul contract to

> bring

> > Heaven to Earth, the Golden Age,. . . (pardon me while I barf - Tony)

>

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Thank you for your RANT. God bless you! Now would about 100 million citizens scream the rant also! We need to hang the traitors and thieves.Dr. Goebel--- On Tue, 8/4/09, Tony wrote:Tony OK, time for a rant on Obama and our healtholeander soup Date: Tuesday, August 4, 2009, 9:13 AM

 

 

I usually try to keep politics out of this group - but since the abomination of the bill that is being called Obamacare and agriculture regulations that favor Big Pharma and Big Food are being rammed down our throats to the detriment of our health whether we like it or not, and those regulations have come largely from people Obama has appointed to office, I do have some things to say.

First of all, Obama is no spiritual beingl. That is all smoke and mirrors and deception, the same as the rest of Obama and the same as his completely inexcusable refusal to reveal his original birth certificate or release his college records. Far from any savior or "being of light" as one person recently described him on another forum, he is merely a new face on the latest in a very long string of puppets that have served anything but the interests of the common citizens. Being of light? I am not sure that any beings of light have ever come out of the corrupt Chicago political organization. But perhaps he is a being of light in some respects - such as light on experience, light on integrity, light on truth, and light on his feet as he tap dances around in front of the cameras pretending to be our savior when he is is nothing more than

the latest tool of the new world order elite to further their agenda.

Like W. E. B. Griffith and others have tried to tell us, the two party system of Republican and Democrat is an engineered box we have been trapped into. It is just an illusion - smoke and mirrors and word games - that we have been trapped into. They have rigged the game so that it is virtually impossible for any other party or and independent candidate to have a chance, and further insured control of elections with easily manipulated Diebold voting machines (did you know that the people who run that company are ex-felons, btw?). At the top, both parties have the same masters and the same agenda- they simply approach it from different angles. And you can take this to the funny-money bank: no-one gets elected at the top of the ticket that has not been vetted and pre-approved by the Bilderburgs.

If the poor dumbed down, reality show watching, filterd news consuming sheeple were not so blind, that should have been imminently apparent during Bush's last race which featured two Skull and Bones members squared off against one another, and even more apparent when we were tricked into a war of mass deception for the sake of big oil and the Halliburton profiteers as well as Bush's huge expansion of government, his presidential signings that eroded our freedoms, the rushed bail out that did nothing to free up credit or help the financial crisis, and his virtual abandonment of the conservative principles he espoused during his campaign.

In the instance of Obama, it is more of the same, just as it would have been with McCain - except Obama has the pedal all the way to the floor to hasten the New World Order's plans to bring America to her knees and eliminate their greatest obstacle to a one-world government by the elite, of the elite and for the elite. I will point out that no administration has ever had the number of Council of Foreign Relations, Trilateral Commission, and Bilderburg members as Obama's. His choice for Healthcare was a Merck insider and, though he had to withdraw in scandal due to failure to pay taxes, the Obamacare bill has his signature all over it. Most of you will recognize Merck as the company that brought us Vioxx and, along with their lackeys in the FDA, fought to keep it on the market until over 60,000 deaths (more than the entire Vietnam War) were attributed to it. And then there

is Avandia, Fosamax and the horrendous Gardasil vaccine jabs they bribed government officials to endorse and even make mandatory for our young school girls.

Obama's choice to head up Agriculture is a Monsanto insider, and those of us who are aware of what is going on in the world recognize Monsanto as the most evil of all the giant Agri-biz companies (think GMO, antibiotics in meat and roundup ready food crops, along with a plan to control all of our seeds).

Likewise, the people Obama has chosen to run the financial aspects of our government are Wallstreet insiders and some of the very same people who were in charge of the banks we had to bail out.

Now, returning once again to the health issues, here is the capper (thus far anyway):

The person who may be responsible for more food-related illness and death than anyone in history has just been made the US food safety czar. This is no joke.Here's the back story.When FDA scientists were asked to weigh in on what was to become the most radical and potentially dangerous change in our food supply -- the introduction of genetically modified (GM) foods -- secret documents now reveal that the experts were very concerned. Memo after memo described toxins, new diseases, nutritional deficiencies, and hard-to-detect allergens. They were adamant that the technology carried "serious health hazards," and required careful, long-term research, including human studies, before any genetically modified organisms (GMOs) could be safely released into the food supply.But the biotech industry had rigged the game so that neither Science nor scientists would stand in their way. They had placed their own man in charge of FDA policy and he wasn't going to be swayed by feeble arguments related to food safety. No, he was going to do what corporations had done for decades to get past these types of pesky concerns. He was going to lie.Dangerous Food Safety LiesWhen the FDA was constructing their GMO policy in 1991-2, their scientists were clear that gene-sliced foods were significantly different and could lead to "different risks" than conventional foods. But

official policy declared the opposite, claiming that the FDA knew nothing of significant differences, and declared GMOs substantially equivalent.This fiction became the rationale for allowing GM foods on the market without any required safety studies whatsoever! The determination of whether GM foods were safe to eat was placed entirely in the hands of the companies that made them -- companies like Monsanto, which told us that the PCBs, DDT, and Agent Orange were safe.GMOs were rushed onto our plates in 1996. Over the next nine years, multiple chronic illnesses in the US nearly doubled -- from 7% to 13%. Allergy-related emergency room visits doubled between 1997 and 2002 while food allergies, especially

among children, skyrocketed. We also witnessed a dramatic rise in asthma, autism, obesity, diabetes, digestive disorders, and certain cancers.In January of this year, Dr. P. M. Bhargava, one of the world's top biologists, told me that after reviewing 600 scientific journals, he concluded that the GM foods in the US are largely responsible for the increase in many serious diseases.In May, the American Academy of Environmental Medicine concluded that animal studies have demonstrated a causal relationship between GM foods and infertility, accelerated aging, dysfunctional insulin regulation, changes in major organs and the gastrointestinal system, and immune problems such as asthma, allergies, and inflammationIn July, a report by eight international experts determined that the flimsy and superficial evaluations of GMOs by both regulators and GM companies "systematically overlook the side effects" and significantly underestimate "the

initial signs of diseases like cancer and diseases of the hormonal, immune, nervous and reproductive systems, among others."The Fox Guarding the ChickensIf GMOs are indeed responsible for massive sickness and death, then the individual who oversaw the FDA policy that facilitated their introduction holds a uniquely infamous role in human history. That person is Michael Taylor. He had been Monsanto's attorney before becoming policy chief at the FDA. Soon after, he became Monsanto's vice president and chief lobbyist.This month Michael Taylor became the senior advisor to the commissioner of the FDA. He is now America's food safety czar. What have we done?The Milk Man ComethWhile Taylor was at the FDA in the early 90's, he also oversaw the policy regarding Monsanto's genetically engineered bovine growth hormone (rbGH/rbST) -- injected into cows to increase milk supply.The milk from injected cows has more pus,

more antibiotics, more bovine growth hormone, and most importantly, more insulin-like growth factor 1 (IGF-1). IGF-1 is a huge risk factor for common cancers and its high levels in this drugged milk is why so many medical organizations and hospitals have taken stands against rbGH. A former Monsanto scientist told me that when three of his Monsanto colleagues evaluated rbGH safety and discovered the elevated IGF-1 levels, even they refused to drink any more milk -- unless it was organic and therefore untreated.Government scientists from Canada evaluated the FDA's approval of rbGH and concluded that it was a dangerous facade. The drug was banned in Canada, as well as Europe, Japan, Australia and New Zealand. But it was approved in the US while Michael Taylor was in charge. His drugged milk might have caused a significant rise in US cancer rates. Additional published evidence also implicates rbGH in the high rate of fraternal twins in the

US.Taylor also determined that milk from injected cows did not require any special labeling. And as a gift to his future employer Monsanto, he wrote a white paper suggesting that if companies ever had the audacity to label their products as not using rbGH, they should also include a disclaimer stating that according to the FDA, there is no difference between milk from treated and untreated cows.Taylor's disclaimer was also a lie. Monsanto's own studies and FDA scientists officially acknowledged differences in the drugged milk. No matter. Monsanto used Taylor's white paper as the basis to successfully sue dairies that labeled their products as rbGH-free.Will Monsanto's Wolff Also Guard the Chickens?As consumers learned that rbGH was dangerous, they refused to buy the milk. To keep their customers, a tidal wave of companies has publicly committed to not use the drug and to label their products as such. Monsanto tried

unsuccessfully to convince the FDA and FTC to make it illegal for dairies to make rbGH-free claims, so they went to their special friend in Pennsylvania -- Dennis Wolff. As state secretary of agriculture, Wolff unilaterally declared that labeling products rbGH-free was illegal, and that all such labels must be removed from shelves statewide. This would, of course, eliminate the label from all national brands, as they couldn't afford to create separate packaging for just one state.Fortunately, consumer demand forced Pennsylvania' s Governor Ed Rendell to step in and stop Wolff's madness. But Rendell allowed Wolff to take a compromised position that now requires rbGH-free claims to also be accompanied by Taylor's FDA disclaimer on the package.President Obama is considering Dennis Wolff for the top food safety post at the USDA. Yikes!Rumor has it that the reason why Pennsylvania' s governor is supporting Wolff's appointment is to

get him out of the state -- after he "screwed up so badly" with the rbGH decision. Oh great, governor. Thanks.Ohio Governor Gets Taylor-itusOhio not only followed Pennsylvania' s lead by requiring Taylor's FDA disclaimer on packaging, they went a step further. They declared that dairies must place that disclaimer on the same panel where rbGH-free claims are made, and even dictated the font size. This would force national brands to re-design their labels and may ultimately dissuade them from making rbGH-free claims at all. The Organic Trade Association and the International Dairy Foods Association filed a lawsuit against Ohio. Although they lost the first court battle, upon appeal, the judge ordered a mediation session that takes place today. Thousands of Ohio citizens have flooded Governor Strickland's office with urgent requests to withdraw the states anti-consumer labeling requirements.Perhaps the governor has an ulterior

motive for pushing his new rules. If he goes ahead with his labeling plans, he might end up with a top appointment in the Obama administration.

The truth is ugly sometimes, but knowing it may set you free. Once upon a time I was quite the liberal Democrat, and I am certainly no Republican today. But neither am I blind as I once was and I am very much involved in the efforts to insure health freedom and to restore liberty and freedom to the sovereign citizens of the sovereign states of the federal republic of the United States of America.

OK, off my soapbox. This is not an invitation to begin a political debate, as that will detract from the main purpose of this group - beating and avoiding cancer and living longer, healthier and happier lives. But it had to be said.

oleander soup, rleeh2001@.. . wrote:>> Can't you people see behind the seen, Obama is doing just exactly what he > need to do, you people need to look deeper than the surface to see what is > really going on.> This is not business as usual, that ended with George Bush, this is a > completely different chapter. > Obama is a Spiritual person, with intentions and a soul contract to bring > Heaven to Earth, the Golden Age,. . . (pardon me while I barf - Tony)

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Excellent review of the real situation. Thank you for that!

 

 

 

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Tuesday, August 04, 2009 10:13 AM

OK, time for a rant on Obama and our health

 

I usually try to keep politics out of this group - but since the abomination of the bill that is being called Obamacare and agriculture regulations that favor Big Pharma and Big Food are being rammed down our throats to the detriment of our health whether we like it or not, and those regulations have come largely from people Obama has appointed to office, I do have some things to say.

First of all, Obama is no spiritual beingl. That is all smoke and mirrors and deception, the same as the rest of Obama and the same as his completely inexcusable refusal to reveal his original birth certificate or release his college records. Far from any savior or "being of light" as one person recently described him on another forum, he is merely a new face on the latest in a very long string of puppets that have served anything but the interests of the common citizens. Being of light? I am not sure that any beings of light have ever come out of the corrupt Chicago political organization. But perhaps he is a being of light in some respects - such as light on experience, light on integrity, light on truth, and light on his feet as he tap dances around in front of the cameras pretending to be our savior when he is is nothing more than the latest tool of the new world order elite to further their agenda.

Like W. E. B. Griffith and others have tried to tell us, the two party system of Republican and Democrat is an engineered box we have been trapped into. It is just an illusion - smoke and mirrors and word games - that we have been trapped into. They have rigged the game so that it is virtually impossible for any other party or and independent candidate to have a chance, and further insured control of elections with easily manipulated Diebold voting machines (did you know that the people who run that company are ex-felons, btw?). At the top, both parties have the same masters and the same agenda- they simply approach it from different angles. And you can take this to the funny-money bank: no-one gets elected at the top of the ticket that has not been vetted and pre-approved by the Bilderburgs.

If the poor dumbed down, reality show watching, filterd news consuming sheeple were not so blind, that should have been imminently apparent during Bush's last race which featured two Skull and Bones members squared off against one another, and even more apparent when we were tricked into a war of mass deception for the sake of big oil and the Halliburton profiteers as well as Bush's huge expansion of government, his presidential signings that eroded our freedoms, the rushed bail out that did nothing to free up credit or help the financial crisis, and his virtual abandonment of the conservative principles he espoused during his campaign.

In the instance of Obama, it is more of the same, just as it would have been with McCain - except Obama has the pedal all the way to the floor to hasten the New World Order's plans to bring America to her knees and eliminate their greatest obstacle to a one-world government by the elite, of the elite and for the elite. I will point out that no administration has ever had the number of Council of Foreign Relations, Trilateral Commission, and Bilderburg members as Obama's. His choice for Healthcare was a Merck insider and, though he had to withdraw in scandal due to failure to pay taxes, the Obamacare bill has his signature all over it. Most of you will recognize Merck as the company that brought us Vioxx and, along with their lackeys in the FDA, fought to keep it on the market until over 60,000 deaths (more than the entire Vietnam War) were attributed to it. And then there is Avandia, Fosamax and the horrendous Gardasil vaccine jabs they bribed government officials to endorse and even make mandatory for our young school girls.

Obama's choice to head up Agriculture is a Monsanto insider, and those of us who are aware of what is going on in the world recognize Monsanto as the most evil of all the giant Agri-biz companies (think GMO, antibiotics in meat and roundup ready food crops, along with a plan to control all of our seeds).

Likewise, the people Obama has chosen to run the financial aspects of our government are Wallstreet insiders and some of the very same people who were in charge of the banks we had to bail out.

Now, returning once again to the health issues, here is the capper (thus far anyway):

The person who may be responsible for more food-related illness and death than anyone in history has just been made the US food safety czar. This is no joke.Here's the back story.When FDA scientists were asked to weigh in on what was to become the most radical and potentially dangerous change in our food supply -- the introduction of genetically modified (GM) foods -- secret documents now reveal that the experts were very concerned. Memo after memo described toxins, new diseases, nutritional deficiencies, and hard-to-detect allergens. They were adamant that the technology carried "serious health hazards," and required careful, long-term research, including human studies, before any genetically modified organisms (GMOs) could be safely released into the food supply.But the biotech industry had rigged the game so that neither Science nor scientists would stand in their way. They had placed their own man in charge of FDA policy and he wasn't going to be swayed by feeble arguments related to food safety. No, he was going to do what corporations had done for decades to get past these types of pesky concerns. He was going to lie.Dangerous Food Safety LiesWhen the FDA was constructing their GMO policy in 1991-2, their scientists were clear that gene-sliced foods were significantly different and could lead to "different risks" than conventional foods. But official policy declared the opposite, claiming that the FDA knew nothing of significant differences, and declared GMOs substantially equivalent.This fiction became the rationale for allowing GM foods on the market without any required safety studies whatsoever! The determination of whether GM foods were safe to eat was placed entirely in the hands of the companies that made them -- companies like Monsanto, which told us that the PCBs, DDT, and Agent Orange were safe.GMOs were rushed onto our plates in 1996. Over the next nine years, multiple chronic illnesses in the US nearly doubled -- from 7% to 13%. Allergy-related emergency room visits doubled between 1997 and 2002 while food allergies, especially among children, skyrocketed. We also witnessed a dramatic rise in asthma, autism, obesity, diabetes, digestive disorders, and certain cancers.In January of this year, Dr. P. M. Bhargava, one of the world's top biologists, told me that after reviewing 600 scientific journals, he concluded that the GM foods in the US are largely responsible for the increase in many serious diseases.In May, the American Academy of Environmental Medicine concluded that animal studies have demonstrated a causal relationship between GM foods and infertility, accelerated aging, dysfunctional insulin regulation, changes in major organs and the gastrointestinal system, and immune problems such as asthma, allergies, and inflammationIn July, a report by eight international experts determined that the flimsy and superficial evaluations of GMOs by both regulators and GM companies "systematically overlook the side effects" and significantly underestimate "the initial signs of diseases like cancer and diseases of the hormonal, immune, nervous and reproductive systems, among others."The Fox Guarding the ChickensIf GMOs are indeed responsible for massive sickness and death, then the individual who oversaw the FDA policy that facilitated their introduction holds a uniquely infamous role in human history. That person is Michael Taylor. He had been Monsanto's attorney before becoming policy chief at the FDA. Soon after, he became Monsanto's vice president and chief lobbyist.This month Michael Taylor became the senior advisor to the commissioner of the FDA. He is now America's food safety czar. What have we done?The Milk Man ComethWhile Taylor was at the FDA in the early 90's, he also oversaw the policy regarding Monsanto's genetically engineered bovine growth hormone (rbGH/rbST) -- injected into cows to increase milk supply.The milk from injected cows has more pus, more antibiotics, more bovine growth hormone, and most importantly, more insulin-like growth factor 1 (IGF-1). IGF-1 is a huge risk factor for common cancers and its high levels in this drugged milk is why so many medical organizations and hospitals have taken stands against rbGH. A former Monsanto scientist told me that when three of his Monsanto colleagues evaluated rbGH safety and discovered the elevated IGF-1 levels, even they refused to drink any more milk -- unless it was organic and therefore untreated.Government scientists from Canada evaluated the FDA's approval of rbGH and concluded that it was a dangerous facade. The drug was banned in Canada, as well as Europe, Japan, Australia and New Zealand. But it was approved in the US while Michael Taylor was in charge. His drugged milk might have caused a significant rise in US cancer rates. Additional published evidence also implicates rbGH in the high rate of fraternal twins in the US.Taylor also determined that milk from injected cows did not require any special labeling. And as a gift to his future employer Monsanto, he wrote a white paper suggesting that if companies ever had the audacity to label their products as not using rbGH, they should also include a disclaimer stating that according to the FDA, there is no difference between milk from treated and untreated cows.Taylor's disclaimer was also a lie. Monsanto's own studies and FDA scientists officially acknowledged differences in the drugged milk. No matter. Monsanto used Taylor's white paper as the basis to successfully sue dairies that labeled their products as rbGH-free.Will Monsanto's Wolff Also Guard the Chickens?As consumers learned that rbGH was dangerous, they refused to buy the milk. To keep their customers, a tidal wave of companies has publicly committed to not use the drug and to label their products as such. Monsanto tried unsuccessfully to convince the FDA and FTC to make it illegal for dairies to make rbGH-free claims, so they went to their special friend in Pennsylvania -- Dennis Wolff. As state secretary of agriculture, Wolff unilaterally declared that labeling products rbGH-free was illegal, and that all such labels must be removed from shelves statewide. This would, of course, eliminate the label from all national brands, as they couldn't afford to create separate packaging for just one state.Fortunately, consumer demand forced Pennsylvania's Governor Ed Rendell to step in and stop Wolff's madness. But Rendell allowed Wolff to take a compromised position that now requires rbGH-free claims to also be accompanied by Taylor's FDA disclaimer on the package.President Obama is considering Dennis Wolff for the top food safety post at the USDA. Yikes!Rumor has it that the reason why Pennsylvania's governor is supporting Wolff's appointment is to get him out of the state -- after he "screwed up so badly" with the rbGH decision. Oh great, governor. Thanks.Ohio Governor Gets Taylor-itusOhio not only followed Pennsylvania's lead by requiring Taylor's FDA disclaimer on packaging, they went a step further. They declared that dairies must place that disclaimer on the same panel where rbGH-free claims are made, and even dictated the font size. This would force national brands to re-design their labels and may ultimately dissuade them from making rbGH-free claims at all. The Organic Trade Association and the International Dairy Foods Association filed a lawsuit against Ohio. Although they lost the first court battle, upon appeal, the judge ordered a mediation session that takes place today. Thousands of Ohio citizens have flooded Governor Strickland's office with urgent requests to withdraw the states anti-consumer labeling requirements.Perhaps the governor has an ulterior motive for pushing his new rules. If he goes ahead with his labeling plans, he might end up with a top appointment in the Obama administration.

The truth is ugly sometimes, but knowing it may set you free. Once upon a time I was quite the liberal Democrat, and I am certainly no Republican today. But neither am I blind as I once was and I am very much involved in the efforts to insure health freedom and to restore liberty and freedom to the sovereign citizens of the sovereign states of the federal republic of the United States of America.

OK, off my soapbox. This is not an invitation to begin a political debate, as that will detract from the main purpose of this group - beating and avoiding cancer and living longer, healthier and happier lives. But it had to be said.

oleander soup , rleeh2001 wrote:>> Can't you people see behind the seen, Obama is doing just exactly what he > need to do, you people need to look deeper than the surface to see what is > really going on.> This is not business as usual, that ended with George Bush, this is a > completely different chapter. > Obama is a Spiritual person, with intentions and a soul contract to bring > Heaven to Earth, the Golden Age,. . . (pardon me while I barf - Tony)

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Thank You Tony! As the Good Lord says, "My people die from lack of knowledge" You must share what you know, for those of us who do not. Thank You, Elizabeth

 

 

 

Michael Goebel <goebelchxoleander soup Sent: Tuesday, August 4, 2009 11:35:34 AMRe: OK, time for a rant on Obama and our health

 

 

 

 

Thank you for your RANT. God bless you! Now would about 100 million citizens scream the rant also! We need to hang the traitors and thieves.Dr. Goebel--- On Tue, 8/4/09, Tony > wrote:

Tony > OK, time for a rant on Obama and our healtholeander soupTuesday, August 4, 2009, 9:13 AM

 

I usually try to keep politics out of this group - but since the abomination of the bill that is being called Obamacare and agriculture regulations that favor Big Pharma and Big Food are being rammed down our throats to the detriment of our health whether we like it or not, and those regulations have come largely from people Obama has appointed to office, I do have some things to say.

First of all, Obama is no spiritual beingl. That is all smoke and mirrors and deception, the same as the rest of Obama and the same as his completely inexcusable refusal to reveal his original birth certificate or release his college records. Far from any savior or "being of light" as one person recently described him on another forum, he is merely a new face on the latest in a very long string of puppets that have served anything but the interests of the common citizens. Being of light? I am not sure that any beings of light have ever come out of the corrupt Chicago political organization. But perhaps he is a being of light in some respects - such as light on experience, light on integrity, light on truth, and light on his feet as he tap dances around in front of the cameras pretending to be our savior when he is is nothing more than the

latest tool of the new world order elite to further their agenda.

Like W. E. B. Griffith and others have tried to tell us, the two party system of Republican and Democrat is an engineered box we have been trapped into. It is just an illusion - smoke and mirrors and word games - that we have been trapped into. They have rigged the game so that it is virtually impossible for any other party or and independent candidate to have a chance, and further insured control of elections with easily manipulated Diebold voting machines (did you know that the people who run that company are ex-felons, btw?). At the top, both parties have the same masters and the same agenda- they simply approach it from different angles. And you can take this to the funny-money bank: no-one gets elected at the top of the ticket that has not been vetted and pre-approved by the Bilderburgs.

If the poor dumbed down, reality show watching, filterd news consuming sheeple were not so blind, that should have been imminently apparent during Bush's last race which featured two Skull and Bones members squared off against one another, and even more apparent when we were tricked into a war of mass deception for the sake of big oil and the Halliburton profiteers as well as Bush's huge expansion of government, his presidential signings that eroded our freedoms, the rushed bail out that did nothing to free up credit or help the financial crisis, and his virtual abandonment of the conservative principles he espoused during his campaign.

In the instance of Obama, it is more of the same, just as it would have been with McCain - except Obama has the pedal all the way to the floor to hasten the New World Order's plans to bring America to her knees and eliminate their greatest obstacle to a one-world government by the elite, of the elite and for the elite. I will point out that no administration has ever had the number of Council of Foreign Relations, Trilateral Commission, and Bilderburg members as Obama's. His choice for Healthcare was a Merck insider and, though he had to withdraw in scandal due to failure to pay taxes, the Obamacare bill has his signature all over it. Most of you will recognize Merck as the company that brought us Vioxx and, along with their lackeys in the FDA, fought to keep it on the market until over 60,000 deaths (more than the entire Vietnam War) were attributed to it. And then there is

Avandia, Fosamax and the horrendous Gardasil vaccine jabs they bribed government officials to endorse and even make mandatory for our young school girls.

Obama's choice to head up Agriculture is a Monsanto insider, and those of us who are aware of what is going on in the world recognize Monsanto as the most evil of all the giant Agri-biz companies (think GMO, antibiotics in meat and roundup ready food crops, along with a plan to control all of our seeds).

Likewise, the people Obama has chosen to run the financial aspects of our government are Wallstreet insiders and some of the very same people who were in charge of the banks we had to bail out.

Now, returning once again to the health issues, here is the capper (thus far anyway):

The person who may be responsible for more food-related illness and death than anyone in history has just been made the US food safety czar. This is no joke.Here's the back story.When FDA scientists were asked to weigh in on what was to become the most radical and potentially dangerous change in our food supply -- the introduction of genetically modified (GM) foods -- secret documents now reveal that the experts were very concerned. Memo after memo described toxins, new diseases, nutritional deficiencies, and hard-to-detect allergens. They were adamant that the technology carried "serious health hazards," and required careful, long-term research, including human studies, before any genetically modified organisms (GMOs) could be safely released into the food supply.But the biotech industry had rigged the game so that neither Science nor scientists would stand in their way. They had placed their own man in charge of FDA policy and he wasn't going to be swayed by feeble arguments related to food safety. No, he was going to do what corporations had done for decades to get past these types of pesky concerns. He was going to lie.Dangerous Food Safety LiesWhen the FDA was constructing their GMO policy in 1991-2, their scientists were clear that gene-sliced foods were significantly different and could lead to "different risks" than conventional

foods. But official policy declared the opposite, claiming that the FDA knew nothing of significant differences, and declared GMOs substantially equivalent.This fiction became the rationale for allowing GM foods on the market without any required safety studies whatsoever! The determination of whether GM foods were safe to eat was placed entirely in the hands of the companies that made them -- companies like Monsanto, which told us that the PCBs, DDT, and Agent Orange were safe.GMOs were rushed onto our plates in 1996. Over the next nine years, multiple chronic illnesses in the US nearly doubled -- from 7% to 13%. Allergy-related emergency room visits doubled between 1997 and 2002 while food allergies, especially

among children, skyrocketed. We also witnessed a dramatic rise in asthma, autism, obesity, diabetes, digestive disorders, and certain cancers.In January of this year, Dr. P. M. Bhargava, one of the world's top biologists, told me that after reviewing 600 scientific journals, he concluded that the GM foods in the US are largely responsible for the increase in many serious diseases.In May, the American Academy of Environmental Medicine concluded that animal studies have demonstrated a causal relationship between GM foods and infertility, accelerated aging, dysfunctional insulin regulation, changes in major organs and the gastrointestinal system, and immune problems such as asthma, allergies, and inflammationIn July, a report by eight international experts determined that the flimsy and superficial evaluations of GMOs by both regulators and GM companies "systematically overlook the side effects" and significantly underestimate "the

initial signs of diseases like cancer and diseases of the hormonal, immune, nervous and reproductive systems, among others."The Fox Guarding the ChickensIf GMOs are indeed responsible for massive sickness and death, then the individual who oversaw the FDA policy that facilitated their introduction holds a uniquely infamous role in human history. That person is Michael Taylor. He had been Monsanto's attorney before becoming policy chief at the FDA. Soon after, he became Monsanto's vice president and chief lobbyist.This month Michael Taylor became the senior advisor to the commissioner of the FDA. He is now America's food safety czar. What have we done?The Milk Man ComethWhile Taylor was at the FDA in the early 90's, he also oversaw the policy regarding Monsanto's genetically engineered bovine growth hormone (rbGH/rbST) -- injected into cows to increase milk supply.The milk from injected cows has more pus,

more antibiotics, more bovine growth hormone, and most importantly, more insulin-like growth factor 1 (IGF-1). IGF-1 is a huge risk factor for common cancers and its high levels in this drugged milk is why so many medical organizations and hospitals have taken stands against rbGH. A former Monsanto scientist told me that when three of his Monsanto colleagues evaluated rbGH safety and discovered the elevated IGF-1 levels, even they refused to drink any more milk -- unless it was organic and therefore untreated.Government scientists from Canada evaluated the FDA's approval of rbGH and concluded that it was a dangerous facade. The drug was banned in Canada, as well as Europe, Japan, Australia and New Zealand. But it was approved in the US while Michael Taylor was in charge. His drugged milk might have caused a significant rise in US cancer rates. Additional published evidence also implicates rbGH in the high rate of fraternal twins in the

US.Taylor also determined that milk from injected cows did not require any special labeling. And as a gift to his future employer Monsanto, he wrote a white paper suggesting that if companies ever had the audacity to label their products as not using rbGH, they should also include a disclaimer stating that according to the FDA, there is no difference between milk from treated and untreated cows.Taylor's disclaimer was also a lie. Monsanto's own studies and FDA scientists officially acknowledged differences in the drugged milk. No matter. Monsanto used Taylor's white paper as the basis to successfully sue dairies that labeled their products as rbGH-free.Will Monsanto's Wolff Also Guard the Chickens?As consumers learned that rbGH was dangerous, they refused to buy the milk. To keep their customers, a tidal wave of companies has publicly committed to not use the drug and to label their products as such. Monsanto tried

unsuccessfully to convince the FDA and FTC to make it illegal for dairies to make rbGH-free claims, so they went to their special friend in Pennsylvania -- Dennis Wolff. As state secretary of agriculture, Wolff unilaterally declared that labeling products rbGH-free was illegal, and that all such labels must be removed from shelves statewide. This would, of course, eliminate the label from all national brands, as they couldn't afford to create separate packaging for just one state.Fortunately, consumer demand forced Pennsylvania' s Governor Ed Rendell to step in and stop Wolff's madness. But Rendell allowed Wolff to take a compromised position that now requires rbGH-free claims to also be accompanied by Taylor's FDA disclaimer on the package.President Obama is considering Dennis Wolff for the top food safety post at the USDA. Yikes!Rumor has it that the reason why Pennsylvania' s governor is supporting Wolff's appointment is to

get him out of the state -- after he "screwed up so badly" with the rbGH decision. Oh great, governor. Thanks.Ohio Governor Gets Taylor-itusOhio not only followed Pennsylvania' s lead by requiring Taylor's FDA disclaimer on packaging, they went a step further. They declared that dairies must place that disclaimer on the same panel where rbGH-free claims are made, and even dictated the font size. This would force national brands to re-design their labels and may ultimately dissuade them from making rbGH-free claims at all. The Organic Trade Association and the International Dairy Foods Association filed a lawsuit against Ohio. Although they lost the first court battle, upon appeal, the judge ordered a mediation session that takes place today. Thousands of Ohio citizens have flooded Governor Strickland's office with urgent requests to withdraw the states anti-consumer labeling requirements.Perhaps the governor has an ulterior

motive for pushing his new rules. If he goes ahead with his labeling plans, he might end up with a top appointment in the Obama administration.

The truth is ugly sometimes, but knowing it may set you free. Once upon a time I was quite the liberal Democrat, and I am certainly no Republican today. But neither am I blind as I once was and I am very much involved in the efforts to insure health freedom and to restore liberty and freedom to the sovereign citizens of the sovereign states of the federal republic of the United States of America.

OK, off my soapbox. This is not an invitation to begin a political debate, as that will detract from the main purpose of this group - beating and avoiding cancer and living longer, healthier and happier lives. But it had to be said.

oleander soup, rleeh2001@.. . wrote:>> Can't you people see behind the seen, Obama is doing just exactly what he > need to do, you people need to look deeper than the surface to see what is > really going on.> This is not business as usual, that ended with George Bush, this is a > completely different chapter. > Obama is a Spiritual person, with intentions and a soul contract to bring > Heaven to Earth, the Golden Age,. . . (pardon me while I barf - Tony)

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I would guarantee you that if the American people knew what our government has and continues to do to our citizens, there would be a revolt like no one has ever seen, unspeakable things daily. When it was over we would have to build a new government.

 

 

In a message dated 8/4/2009 3:46:05 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, writes:

 

Yes, Dr. G - I think we should require every elected, appointed and hired government official to swear an oath to uphold and protect the Constitution in accordance to the vision and wishes of our forefathers or else abdicate their office. Those that refuse to abdicate and go against the constitution, selling their souls to the devil and serving greed and lust for power instead of the common citizens, should be removed by whatever means necessary.

Perhaps a few traitors swinging from the yard arms outside the buildings of the government that is supposed to exist solely to support us and protect our life, liberty and pursuit of happiness might send just the right signal that we have had enough.

I should add that I am a very non-violent person - so much so that I often won't even step on a spider but will instead collect it and put it outside. But this is my life, my country, my freedoms, my health and that of my friends, loved ones and fellow citizens and I am quite frankly fed up with seeing all of those usurped and eroded year after year and crooked puppet administration after crooked puppet administration.

Once again, this is not intended to be a political discussion group - but the core message here is natural health, and the fight to have the freedom to address our very private health concerns however we see fit is part of a bigger fight that we have been losing for far too long.

oleander soup , Michael Goebel <goebelchx wrote:>> Thank you for your RANT. God bless you! > > Now would about 100 million citizens scream the rant also! We need to hang the traitors and thieves.> > Dr. Goebel> > --- On Tue, 8/4/09, Tony wrote:> > Tony OK, time for a rant on Obama and our health> oleander soup > Tuesday, August 4, 2009, 9:13 AM> > > > > > > > > > > > > I usually try to keep politics out of this group - but since the abomination of the bill that is being called Obamacare and agriculture regulations that favor Big Pharma and Big Food are being rammed down our throats to the detriment of our health whether we like it or not, and those regulations have come largely from people Obama has appointed to office, I do have some things to say.> First of all, Obama is no spiritual beingl. That is all smoke and mirrors and deception, the same as the rest of Obama and the same as his completely inexcusable refusal to reveal his original birth certificate or release his college records. Far from any savior or "being of light" as one person recently described him on another forum, he is merely a new face on the latest in a very long string of puppets that have served anything but the interests of the common citizens. Being of light? I am not sure that any beings of light have ever come out of the corrupt Chicago political organization. But perhaps he is a being of light in some respects - such as light on experience, light on integrity, light on truth, and light on his feet as he tap dances around in front of the cameras pretending to be our savior when he is is nothing more than the latest tool of the new w orld order elite to further their agenda.> Like W. E. B. Griffith and others have tried to tell us, the two party system of Republican and Democrat is an engineered box we have been trapped into. It is just an illusion - smoke and mirrors and word games - that we have been trapped into. They have rigged the game so that it is virtually impossible for any other party or and independent candidate to have a chance, and further insured control of elections with easily manipulated Diebold voting machines (did you know that the people who run that company are ex-felons, btw?). At the top, both parties have the same masters and the same agenda- they simply approach it from different angles. And you can take this to the funny-money bank: no-one gets elected at the top of the ticket that has not been vetted and pre-approved by the Bilderburgs.> If the poor dumbed down, reality show watching, filterd news consuming sheeple were not so blind, that should have been imminently apparent during Bush's last race which featured two Skull and Bones members squared off against one another, and even more apparent when we were tricked into a war of mass deception for the sake of big oil and the Halliburton profiteers as well as Bush's huge expansion of government, his presidential signings that eroded our freedoms, the rushed bail out that did nothing to free up credit or help the financial crisis, and his virtual abandonment of the conservative principles he espoused during his campaign.> In the instance of Obama, it is more of the same, just as it would have been with McCain - except Obama has the pedal all the way to the floor to hasten the New World Order's plans to bring America to her knees and eliminate their greatest obstacle to a one-world government by the elite, of the elite and for the elite. I will point out that no administration has ever had the number of Council of Foreign Relations, Trilateral Commission, and Bilderburg members as Obama's. His choice for Healthcare was a Merck insider and, though he had to withdraw in scandal due to failure to pay taxes, the Obamacare bill has his signature all over it. Most of you will recognize Merck as the company that brought us Vioxx and, along with their lackeys in the FDA, fought to keep it on the market until over 60,000 deaths (more than the entire Vietnam War) were attributed to it. And then there is Avandia, Fosamax and the horrendous Gardasil vaccine jabs they bribed> government officials to endorse and even make mandatory for our young school girls.> Obama's choice to head up Agriculture is a Monsanto insider, and those of us who are aware of what is going on in the world recognize Monsanto as the most evil of all the giant Agri-biz companies (think GMO, antibiotics in meat and roundup ready food crops, along with a plan to control all of our seeds).> Likewise, the people Obama has chosen to run the financial aspects of our government are Wallstreet insiders and some of the very same people who were in charge of the banks we had to bail out.> Now, returning once again to the health issues, here is the capper (thus far anyway): > The person who may be responsible for more food-related illness and death than anyone in history has just been made the US food safety czar. This is no joke.> > Here's the back story.> > When FDA scientists were asked to weigh in on what was to become the most radical and potentially dangerous change in our food supply -- the introduction of genetically modified (GM) foods -- secret documents now reveal that the experts were very concerned. Memo after memo described toxins, new diseases, nutritional deficiencies, and hard-to-detect allergens. They were adamant that the technology carried "serious health hazards," and required careful, long-term research, including human studies, before any genetically modified organisms (GMOs) could be safely released into the food supply.> > B ut the biotech industry had rigged the game so that neither Science nor scientists would stand in their way. They had placed their own man in charge of FDA policy and he wasn't going to be swayed by feeble arguments related to food safety. No, he was going to do what corporations had done for decades to get past these types of pesky concerns. He was going to lie.> > Dangerous Food Safety Lies> > When the FDA was constructing their GMO policy in 1991-2, their scientists were clear that gene-sliced foods were significantly different and could lead to "different risks" than conventional foods. But official policy declared the opposite, claiming that the FDA knew nothing of significant differences, and declared GMOs substantially equivalent.> > This fiction became the rationale for allowing GM foods on the market without any required safety studies whatsoever! The determination of whether GM foods were safe to eat was placed entirely in the hands of the companies that made them -- companies like Monsanto, which told us that the PCBs, DDT, and Agent Orange were safe.> > GMOs were rushed onto our plates in 1996. Over the next nine years, multiple chronic illnesses in the US nearly doubled -- from 7% to 13%. Allergy-related emergency room visits doubled between 1997 and 2002 while food allergies, especially among children, skyrocketed. We also witnessed a dramatic rise in asthma, autism, obesity, diabetes, digestive disorders, and certain cancers.> > In January of this year, Dr. P. M. Bhargava, one of the world's top biologists, told me that after reviewing 600 scientific journals, he concluded that the GM foods in the US are largely responsible for the increase in many serious diseases.> > In May, the American Academy of Environmental Medicine concluded that animal studies have demonstrated a causal relationship between GM foods and infertility, accelerated aging, dysfunctional insulin regulation, changes in major organs and the gastro intestinal system, and immune problems such as asthma, allergies, and inflammation> > In July, a report by eight international experts determined that the flimsy and superficial evaluations of GMOs by both regulators and GM companies "systematically overlook the side effects" and significantly underestimate "the initial signs of diseases like cancer and diseases of the hormonal, immune, nervous and reproductive systems, among others."> > The Fox Guarding the Chickens> > If GMOs are indeed responsible for massive sickness and death, then the individual who oversaw the FDA policy that facilitated their introduction holds a uniquely infamous role in human history. That person is Michael Taylor. He had been Monsanto's attorney before becoming policy chief at the FDA. Soon after, he became Monsanto's vice president and chief lobbyist.> > This month Michael Taylor became the senior advisor to the commissioner of the FDA. He is now America's food safety czar. What have we done?> > The Milk Man Cometh> > While Taylor was at the FDA in the early 90's, he also oversaw the policy regarding Monsanto's genetically engineered bovine growth hormone (rbGH/rbST) -- injected into cows to increase milk supply.> > The milk from injected cows has more pus, more antibiotics, more bovine growth hormone, and most importantly, more insulin-like growth factor 1 (IGF-1). IGF-1 is a huge risk factor for common cancers and its high levels in this drugged milk is why so many medical organizations and hospitals have taken stands against rbGH. A former Monsanto scientist told me that when three of his Monsanto colleagues evaluated rbGH safety and discovered the elevated IGF-1 levels, even they refused to drink any more milk -- unless it was organic and therefore untreated.> > Government scientists from Canada evaluated the FDA's approval of rbGH and concluded that it was a dangerous facade. The drug was banned in Canada, as well as E urope, Japan, Australia and New Zealand. But it was approved in the US while Michael Taylor was in charge. His drugged milk might have caused a significant rise in US cancer rates. Additional published evidence also implicates rbGH in the high rate of fraternal twins in the US.> > Taylor also determined that milk from injected cows did not require any special labeling. And as a gift to his future employer Monsanto, he wrote a white paper suggesting that if companies ever had the audacity to label their products as not using rbGH, they should also include a disclaimer stating that according to the FDA, there is no difference between milk from treated and untreated cows.> > Taylor's disclaimer was also a lie. Monsanto's own studies and FDA scientists officially acknowledged differences in the drugged milk. No matter. Monsanto used Taylor's white paper as the basis to successfully sue dairies that labeled their products as rbGH-free.> > Will Monsanto's Wolff Also Guard the Chickens?> > As consumers learned that rbGH was dangerous, they refused to buy the milk. To keep their customers, a tidal wave of companies has publicly committed to not use the drug and to label their products as such. Monsanto tried unsuccessfully to convince the FDA and FTC to make it illegal for dairies to make rbGH-free claims, so they went to their special friend in Pennsylvania -- Dennis Wolff. As state secretary of agriculture, Wolff unilaterally declared that labeling products rbGH-free was illegal, and that all such labels must be removed from shelves statewide. This would, of course, eliminate the label from all national brands, as they couldn't afford to create separate packaging for just one state.> > Fortunately, consumer demand forced Pennsylvania' s Governor Ed Rendell to step in and stop Wolff's madness. But Rendell allowed Wolff to take a compromised position that now requires rbGH-free claims to also be accompanied by Taylor's FDA disclaimer on the package.> > President Obama is considering Dennis Wolff for the top food safety post at the USDA. Yikes!> > Rumor has it that the reason why Pennsylvania' s governor is supporting Wolff's appointment is to get him out of the state -- after he "screwed up so badly" with the rbGH decision. Oh great, governor. Thanks.> > Ohio Governor Gets Taylor-itus> > Ohio not only followed Pennsylvania' s lead by requiring Taylor's FDA disclaimer on packaging, they went a step further. They declared that dairies must place that disclaimer on the same panel where rbGH-free claims are made, and even dictated the font size. This would force national brands to re-design their labels and may ultimately dissuade them from making rbGH-free claims at all. The Organic Trade Association and the International Dairy Foods Association filed a lawsuit against Ohio. Although they lost the first court battle, upon appeal, the judge ordered a mediation session that takes place today. Thousands of Ohio citizens have flooded Governor Strickland's office with urgent requests to withdraw the states anti-consumer labeling requirements.> > Perhaps the governor has an ulterior motive for pushing his new rules. If he goes ahead with his labeling plans, he might end up with a top appointment in the Obama administration.> The truth is ugly sometimes, but knowing it may set you free. Once upon a time I was quite the liberal Democrat, and I am certainly no Republican today. But neither am I blind as I once was and I am very much involved in the efforts to insure health freedom and to restore liberty and freedom to the sovereign citizens of the sovereign states of the federal republic of the United States of America.> OK, off my soapbox. This is not an invitation to begin a political debate, as that will detract from the main purpose of this group - beating and avoiding cancer and living longer, healthier and happier lives. But it had to be said.> T ony> > oleander soup, rleeh2001@ . wrote:> >> > Can't you people see behind the seen, Obama is doing just exactly what he > > need to do, you people need to look deeper than the surface to see what is > > really going on.> > This is not business as usual, that ended with George Bush, this is a > > completely different chapter. > > Obama is a Spiritual person, with intentions and a soul contract to bring > > Heaven to Earth, the Golden Age,. . . (pardon me while I barf - Tony)>

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So

many folks would have nothing to complain about if the world were ‘perfect’,

and even then it would be a filtered, poorly interpreted dimension of real

reality anyway.

If

just half the complainers, that know everything ‘wrong’

(that we all know anyway cuz we aren’t stupid) and all the ‘right’

ways things should be done actually went out and did something more than rant,

complain, blame, explain their points, vote, sign a few petitions, and made

silent demonstrations, maybe things would actually change. Ah, but then they

would find something else to find fault with…

Life

is how it is. I say go do something actively or don’t

talk about it! Make your point by being a role model of change and prove your

point by actions and get rid of the negative, know-it-all, I’m

right he’s wrong demeanor.

Peace,

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I agree that far too many people simply complain without taking action. Myself, I not only try to be a role model in many ways, I am also active in trying to bring about change and one of the things I do is to inform people about what is wrong as well as suggest ways to correct it.

I disagree completely that most of us know what is wrong. Most of us have no clue about who really runs the Matrix-like world we live in. Just one example - 80% of the population are not aware that the Federal Reserve is a private institution which is owned by international banking families.

Another example - 90% of the population could not even tell you what more than three of the amendments to the constitution that make up the Bill of Rights are.

And I would bet that 99% of the people are not aware that most of our courts are not constitutional courts but rather color of law courts that rule according to commercial and administrative codes instead of constitutional law - thus the gold fringed Admiralty flags that are on display in those courts signifying international law (admiralty law) and are in fact a violation of US Code Title 4, Chapter 1, Subsection 1. And then there is the listing of our courts in Dunn and Bradstreet as "For Profit Corporations".

I could go on and on and on, but this is not really the appropriate place. If you want to wake up to what has happened to what was once a voluntary collection of sovereign states in a constitutionally guaranteed republic and citizens with unalienable rights, I suggest starting with:

http://www.usavsus.info/

Life is what it is alright, but knowing what it really is is the first step to making it what it should be and was intended to be, because life is also what you make it.

oleander soup , Laura <starflower wrote:>> So many folks would have nothing to complain about if the world were> 'perfect', and even then it would be a filtered, poorly interpreted> dimension of real reality anyway. > > If just half the complainers, that know everything 'wrong' (that we all know> anyway cuz we aren't stupid) and all the 'right' ways things should be done> actually went out and did something more than rant, complain, blame, explain> their points, vote, sign a few petitions, and made silent demonstrations,> maybe things would actually change. Ah, but then they would find something> else to find fault with.> > Life is how it is. I say go do something actively or don't talk about it!> Make your point by being a role model of change and prove your point by> actions and get rid of the negative, know-it-all, I'm right he's wrong> demeanor. > > Peace,> > Laura>

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Yes, Dr. G - I think we should require every elected, appointed and hired government official to swear an oath to uphold and protect the Constitution in accordance to the vision and wishes of our forefathers or else abdicate their office. Those that refuse to abdicate and go against the constitution, selling their souls to the devil and serving greed and lust for power instead of the common citizens, should be removed by whatever means necessary.

Perhaps a few traitors swinging from the yard arms outside the buildings of the government that is supposed to exist solely to support us and protect our life, liberty and pursuit of happiness might send just the right signal that we have had enough.

I should add that I am a very non-violent person - so much so that I often won't even step on a spider but will instead collect it and put it outside. But this is my life, my country, my freedoms, my health and that of my friends, loved ones and fellow citizens and I am quite frankly fed up with seeing all of those usurped and eroded year after year and crooked puppet administration after crooked puppet administration.

Once again, this is not intended to be a political discussion group - but the core message here is natural health, and the fight to have the freedom to address our very private health concerns however we see fit is part of a bigger fight that we have been losing for far too long.

oleander soup , Michael Goebel <goebelchx wrote:>> Thank you for your RANT. God bless you! > > Now would about 100 million citizens scream the rant also! We need to hang the traitors and thieves.> > Dr. Goebel> > --- On Tue, 8/4/09, Tony wrote:> > Tony OK, time for a rant on Obama and our health> oleander soup > Tuesday, August 4, 2009, 9:13 AM> > > > > > > > > > > > > I usually try to keep politics out of this group - but since the abomination of the bill that is being called Obamacare and agriculture regulations that favor Big Pharma and Big Food are being rammed down our throats to the detriment of our health whether we like it or not, and those regulations have come largely from people Obama has appointed to office, I do have some things to say.> First of all, Obama is no spiritual beingl. That is all smoke and mirrors and deception, the same as the rest of Obama and the same as his completely inexcusable refusal to reveal his original birth certificate or release his college records. Far from any savior or "being of light" as one person recently described him on another forum, he is merely a new face on the latest in a very long string of puppets that have served anything but the interests of the common citizens. Being of light? I am not sure that any beings of light have ever come out of the corrupt Chicago political organization. But perhaps he is a being of light in some respects - such as light on experience, light on integrity, light on truth, and light on his feet as he tap dances around in front of the cameras pretending to be our savior when he is is nothing more than the latest tool of the new world order elite to further their agenda.> Like W. E. B. Griffith and others have tried to tell us, the two party system of Republican and Democrat is an engineered box we have been trapped into. It is just an illusion - smoke and mirrors and word games - that we have been trapped into. They have rigged the game so that it is virtually impossible for any other party or and independent candidate to have a chance, and further insured control of elections with easily manipulated Diebold voting machines (did you know that the people who run that company are ex-felons, btw?). At the top, both parties have the same masters and the same agenda- they simply approach it from different angles. And you can take this to the funny-money bank: no-one gets elected at the top of the ticket that has not been vetted and pre-approved by the Bilderburgs.> If the poor dumbed down, reality show watching, filterd news consuming sheeple were not so blind, that should have been imminently apparent during Bush's last race which featured two Skull and Bones members squared off against one another, and even more apparent when we were tricked into a war of mass deception for the sake of big oil and the Halliburton profiteers as well as Bush's huge expansion of government, his presidential signings that eroded our freedoms, the rushed bail out that did nothing to free up credit or help the financial crisis, and his virtual abandonment of the conservative principles he espoused during his campaign.> In the instance of Obama, it is more of the same, just as it would have been with McCain - except Obama has the pedal all the way to the floor to hasten the New World Order's plans to bring America to her knees and eliminate their greatest obstacle to a one-world government by the elite, of the elite and for the elite. I will point out that no administration has ever had the number of Council of Foreign Relations, Trilateral Commission, and Bilderburg members as Obama's. His choice for Healthcare was a Merck insider and, though he had to withdraw in scandal due to failure to pay taxes, the Obamacare bill has his signature all over it. Most of you will recognize Merck as the company that brought us Vioxx and, along with their lackeys in the FDA, fought to keep it on the market until over 60,000 deaths (more than the entire Vietnam War) were attributed to it. And then there is Avandia, Fosamax and the horrendous Gardasil vaccine jabs they bribed> government officials to endorse and even make mandatory for our young school girls.> Obama's choice to head up Agriculture is a Monsanto insider, and those of us who are aware of what is going on in the world recognize Monsanto as the most evil of all the giant Agri-biz companies (think GMO, antibiotics in meat and roundup ready food crops, along with a plan to control all of our seeds).> Likewise, the people Obama has chosen to run the financial aspects of our government are Wallstreet insiders and some of the very same people who were in charge of the banks we had to bail out.> Now, returning once again to the health issues, here is the capper (thus far anyway): > The person who may be responsible for more food-related illness and death than anyone in history has just been made the US food safety czar. This is no joke.> > Here's the back story.> > When FDA scientists were asked to weigh in on what was to become the most radical and potentially dangerous change in our food supply -- the introduction of genetically modified (GM) foods -- secret documents now reveal that the experts were very concerned. Memo after memo described toxins, new diseases, nutritional deficiencies, and hard-to-detect allergens. They were adamant that the technology carried "serious health hazards," and required careful, long-term research, including human studies, before any genetically modified organisms (GMOs) could be safely released into the food supply.> > But the biotech industry had rigged the game so that neither Science nor scientists would stand in their way. They had placed their own man in charge of FDA policy and he wasn't going to be swayed by feeble arguments related to food safety. No, he was going to do what corporations had done for decades to get past these types of pesky concerns. He was going to lie.> > Dangerous Food Safety Lies> > When the FDA was constructing their GMO policy in 1991-2, their scientists were clear that gene-sliced foods were significantly different and could lead to "different risks" than conventional foods. But official policy declared the opposite, claiming that the FDA knew nothing of significant differences, and declared GMOs substantially equivalent.> > This fiction became the rationale for allowing GM foods on the market without any required safety studies whatsoever! The determination of whether GM foods were safe to eat was placed entirely in the hands of the companies that made them -- companies like Monsanto, which told us that the PCBs, DDT, and Agent Orange were safe.> > GMOs were rushed onto our plates in 1996. Over the next nine years, multiple chronic illnesses in the US nearly doubled -- from 7% to 13%. Allergy-related emergency room visits doubled between 1997 and 2002 while food allergies, especially among children, skyrocketed. We also witnessed a dramatic rise in asthma, autism, obesity, diabetes, digestive disorders, and certain cancers.> > In January of this year, Dr. P. M. Bhargava, one of the world's top biologists, told me that after reviewing 600 scientific journals, he concluded that the GM foods in the US are largely responsible for the increase in many serious diseases.> > In May, the American Academy of Environmental Medicine concluded that animal studies have demonstrated a causal relationship between GM foods and infertility, accelerated aging, dysfunctional insulin regulation, changes in major organs and the gastrointestinal system, and immune problems such as asthma, allergies, and inflammation> > In July, a report by eight international experts determined that the flimsy and superficial evaluations of GMOs by both regulators and GM companies "systematically overlook the side effects" and significantly underestimate "the initial signs of diseases like cancer and diseases of the hormonal, immune, nervous and reproductive systems, among others."> > The Fox Guarding the Chickens> > If GMOs are indeed responsible for massive sickness and death, then the individual who oversaw the FDA policy that facilitated their introduction holds a uniquely infamous role in human history. That person is Michael Taylor. He had been Monsanto's attorney before becoming policy chief at the FDA. Soon after, he became Monsanto's vice president and chief lobbyist.> > This month Michael Taylor became the senior advisor to the commissioner of the FDA. He is now America's food safety czar. What have we done?> > The Milk Man Cometh> > While Taylor was at the FDA in the early 90's, he also oversaw the policy regarding Monsanto's genetically engineered bovine growth hormone (rbGH/rbST) -- injected into cows to increase milk supply.> > The milk from injected cows has more pus, more antibiotics, more bovine growth hormone, and most importantly, more insulin-like growth factor 1 (IGF-1). IGF-1 is a huge risk factor for common cancers and its high levels in this drugged milk is why so many medical organizations and hospitals have taken stands against rbGH. A former Monsanto scientist told me that when three of his Monsanto colleagues evaluated rbGH safety and discovered the elevated IGF-1 levels, even they refused to drink any more milk -- unless it was organic and therefore untreated.> > Government scientists from Canada evaluated the FDA's approval of rbGH and concluded that it was a dangerous facade. The drug was banned in Canada, as well as Europe, Japan, Australia and New Zealand. But it was approved in the US while Michael Taylor was in charge. His drugged milk might have caused a significant rise in US cancer rates. Additional published evidence also implicates rbGH in the high rate of fraternal twins in the US.> > Taylor also determined that milk from injected cows did not require any special labeling. And as a gift to his future employer Monsanto, he wrote a white paper suggesting that if companies ever had the audacity to label their products as not using rbGH, they should also include a disclaimer stating that according to the FDA, there is no difference between milk from treated and untreated cows.> > Taylor's disclaimer was also a lie. Monsanto's own studies and FDA scientists officially acknowledged differences in the drugged milk. No matter. Monsanto used Taylor's white paper as the basis to successfully sue dairies that labeled their products as rbGH-free.> > Will Monsanto's Wolff Also Guard the Chickens?> > As consumers learned that rbGH was dangerous, they refused to buy the milk. To keep their customers, a tidal wave of companies has publicly committed to not use the drug and to label their products as such. Monsanto tried unsuccessfully to convince the FDA and FTC to make it illegal for dairies to make rbGH-free claims, so they went to their special friend in Pennsylvania -- Dennis Wolff. As state secretary of agriculture, Wolff unilaterally declared that labeling products rbGH-free was illegal, and that all such labels must be removed from shelves statewide. This would, of course, eliminate the label from all national brands, as they couldn't afford to create separate packaging for just one state.> > Fortunately, consumer demand forced Pennsylvania' s Governor Ed Rendell to step in and stop Wolff's madness. But Rendell allowed Wolff to take a compromised position that now requires rbGH-free claims to also be accompanied by Taylor's FDA disclaimer on the package.> > President Obama is considering Dennis Wolff for the top food safety post at the USDA. Yikes!> > Rumor has it that the reason why Pennsylvania' s governor is supporting Wolff's appointment is to get him out of the state -- after he "screwed up so badly" with the rbGH decision. Oh great, governor. Thanks.> > Ohio Governor Gets Taylor-itus> > Ohio not only followed Pennsylvania' s lead by requiring Taylor's FDA disclaimer on packaging, they went a step further. They declared that dairies must place that disclaimer on the same panel where rbGH-free claims are made, and even dictated the font size. This would force national brands to re-design their labels and may ultimately dissuade them from making rbGH-free claims at all. The Organic Trade Association and the International Dairy Foods Association filed a lawsuit against Ohio. Although they lost the first court battle, upon appeal, the judge ordered a mediation session that takes place today. Thousands of Ohio citizens have flooded Governor Strickland's office with urgent requests to withdraw the states anti-consumer labeling requirements.> > Perhaps the governor has an ulterior motive for pushing his new rules. If he goes ahead with his labeling plans, he might end up with a top appointment in the Obama administration.> The truth is ugly sometimes, but knowing it may set you free. Once upon a time I was quite the liberal Democrat, and I am certainly no Republican today. But neither am I blind as I once was and I am very much involved in the efforts to insure health freedom and to restore liberty and freedom to the sovereign citizens of the sovereign states of the federal republic of the United States of America.> OK, off my soapbox. This is not an invitation to begin a political debate, as that will detract from the main purpose of this group - beating and avoiding cancer and living longer, healthier and happier lives. But it had to be said.> Tony> > oleander soup, rleeh2001@ . wrote:> >> > Can't you people see behind the seen, Obama is doing just exactly what he > > need to do, you people need to look deeper than the surface to see what is > > really going on.> > This is not business as usual, that ended with George Bush, this is a > > completely different chapter. > > Obama is a Spiritual person, with intentions and a soul contract to bring > > Heaven to Earth, the Golden Age,. . . (pardon me while I barf - Tony)>

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A lot of ideas. Having a good friend working for a company that is one of the larger bulk distributors of corn based ethanol in the US, I do know the following as fact:The leftover material from making ethanol is fed to cows, steer and other animals. It's called Distillers Grains (DGS) and causes cows to get ulcers. The ulcers cause infection so the cows are injected with antibiotics. This commonly occurs in feed lots. This make grass fed beef much healtheir than corn fed. I believe some organic food stores carry grass fed meat.As far as all the other stuff that was mentioned, I know the Canadians and Europeans totally agree and do not allow many American agricultural products in their food supply. I don't know about Costa Rica but I should find out since I'd like to retire there!

Anyway, just wait and see how much more damage our government can do. On the other hand, the weather is great, almost everyone I know is healthy and Obamacare will probably get defeated. Yea. Hugs,

 

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oleander soup From: goebelchxDate: Tue, 4 Aug 2009 09:35:34 -0700Re: OK, time for a rant on Obama and our health

 

 

 

 

 

Thank you for your RANT. God bless you! Now would about 100 million citizens scream the rant also! We need to hang the traitors and thieves.Dr. Goebel--- On Tue, 8/4/09, Tony > wrote:

Tony > OK, time for a rant on Obama and our healtholeander soup Date: Tuesday, August 4, 2009, 9:13 AM

 

I usually try to keep politics out of this group - but since the abomination of the bill that is being called Obamacare and agriculture regulations that favor Big Pharma and Big Food are being rammed down our throats to the detriment of our health whether we like it or not, and those regulations have come largely from people Obama has appointed to office, I do have some things to say.

First of all, Obama is no spiritual beingl. That is all smoke and mirrors and deception, the same as the rest of Obama and the same as his completely inexcusable refusal to reveal his original birth certificate or release his college records. Far from any savior or "being of light" as one person recently described him on another forum, he is merely a new face on the latest in a very long string of puppets that have served anything but the interests of the common citizens. Being of light? I am not sure that any beings of light have ever come out of the corrupt Chicago political organization. But perhaps he is a being of light in some respects - such as light on experience, light on integrity, light on truth, and light on his feet as he tap dances around in front of the cameras pretending to be our savior when he is is nothing more than the latest tool of the new world order elite to further their agenda.

Like W. E. B. Griffith and others have tried to tell us, the two party system of Republican and Democrat is an engineered box we have been trapped into. It is just an illusion - smoke and mirrors and word games - that we have been trapped into. They have rigged the game so that it is virtually impossible for any other party or and independent candidate to have a chance, and further insured control of elections with easily manipulated Diebold voting machines (did you know that the people who run that company are ex-felons, btw?). At the top, both parties have the same masters and the same agenda- they simply approach it from different angles. And you can take this to the funny-money bank: no-one gets elected at the top of the ticket that has not been vetted and pre-approved by the Bilderburgs.

If the poor dumbed down, reality show watching, filterd news consuming sheeple were not so blind, that should have been imminently apparent during Bush's last race which featured two Skull and Bones members squared off against one another, and even more apparent when we were tricked into a war of mass deception for the sake of big oil and the Halliburton profiteers as well as Bush's huge expansion of government, his presidential signings that eroded our freedoms, the rushed bail out that did nothing to free up credit or help the financial crisis, and his virtual abandonment of the conservative principles he espoused during his campaign.

In the instance of Obama, it is more of the same, just as it would have been with McCain - except Obama has the pedal all the way to the floor to hasten the New World Order's plans to bring America to her knees and eliminate their greatest obstacle to a one-world government by the elite, of the elite and for the elite. I will point out that no administration has ever had the number of Council of Foreign Relations, Trilateral Commission, and Bilderburg members as Obama's. His choice for Healthcare was a Merck insider and, though he had to withdraw in scandal due to failure to pay taxes, the Obamacare bill has his signature all over it. Most of you will recognize Merck as the company that brought us Vioxx and, along with their lackeys in the FDA, fought to keep it on the market until over 60,000 deaths (more than the entire Vietnam War) were attributed to it. And then there is Avandia, Fosamax and the horrendous Gardasil vaccine jabs they bribed government officials to endorse and even make mandatory for our young school girls.

Obama's choice to head up Agriculture is a Monsanto insider, and those of us who are aware of what is going on in the world recognize Monsanto as the most evil of all the giant Agri-biz companies (think GMO, antibiotics in meat and roundup ready food crops, along with a plan to control all of our seeds).

Likewise, the people Obama has chosen to run the financial aspects of our government are Wallstreet insiders and some of the very same people who were in charge of the banks we had to bail out.

Now, returning once again to the health issues, here is the capper (thus far anyway):

The person who may be responsible for more food-related illness and death than anyone in history has just been made the US food safety czar. This is no joke.Here's the back story.When FDA scientists were asked to weigh in on what was to become the most radical and potentially dangerous change in our food supply -- the introduction of genetically modified (GM) foods -- secret documents now reveal that the experts were very concerned. Memo after memo described toxins, new diseases, nutritional deficiencies, and hard-to-detect allergens. They were adamant that the technology carried "serious health hazards," and required careful, long-term research, including human studies, before any genetically modified organisms (GMOs) could be safely released into the food supply.But the biotech industry had rigged the game so that neither Science nor scientists would stand in their way. They had placed their own man in charge of FDA policy and he wasn't going to be swayed by feeble arguments related to food safety. No, he was going to do what corporations had done for decades to get past these types of pesky concerns. He was going to lie.Dangerous Food Safety LiesWhen the FDA was constructing their GMO policy in 1991-2, their scientists were clear that gene-sliced foods were significantly different and could lead to "different risks" than conventional foods. But official policy declared the opposite, claiming that the FDA knew nothing of significant differences, and declared GMOs substantially equivalent.This fiction became the rationale for allowing GM foods on the market without any required safety studies whatsoever! The determination of whether GM foods were safe to eat was placed entirely in the hands of the companies that made them -- companies like Monsanto, which told us that the PCBs, DDT, and Agent Orange were safe.GMOs were rushed onto our plates in 1996. Over the next nine years, multiple chronic illnesses in the US nearly doubled -- from 7% to 13%. Allergy-related emergency room visits doubled between 1997 and 2002 while food allergies, especially among children, skyrocketed. We also witnessed a dramatic rise in asthma, autism, obesity, diabetes, digestive disorders, and certain cancers.In January of this year, Dr. P. M. Bhargava, one of the world's top biologists, told me that after reviewing 600 scientific journals, he concluded that the GM foods in the US are largely responsible for the increase in many serious diseases.In May, the American Academy of Environmental Medicine concluded that animal studies have demonstrated a causal relationship between GM foods and infertility, accelerated aging, dysfunctional insulin regulation, changes in major organs and the gastrointestinal system, and immune problems such as asthma, allergies, and inflammationIn July, a report by eight international experts determined that the flimsy and superficial evaluations of GMOs by both regulators and GM companies "systematically overlook the side effects" and significantly underestimate "the initial signs of diseases like cancer and diseases of the hormonal, immune, nervous and reproductive systems, among others."The Fox Guarding the ChickensIf GMOs are indeed responsible for massive sickness and death, then the individual who oversaw the FDA policy that facilitated their introduction holds a uniquely infamous role in human history. That person is Michael Taylor. He had been Monsanto's attorney before becoming policy chief at the FDA. Soon after, he became Monsanto's vice president and chief lobbyist.This month Michael Taylor became the senior advisor to the commissioner of the FDA. He is now America's food safety czar. What have we done?The Milk Man ComethWhile Taylor was at the FDA in the early 90's, he also oversaw the policy regarding Monsanto's genetically engineered bovine growth hormone (rbGH/rbST) -- injected into cows to increase milk supply.The milk from injected cows has more pus, more antibiotics, more bovine growth hormone, and most importantly, more insulin-like growth factor 1 (IGF-1). IGF-1 is a huge risk factor for common cancers and its high levels in this drugged milk is why so many medical organizations and hospitals have taken stands against rbGH. A former Monsanto scientist told me that when three of his Monsanto colleagues evaluated rbGH safety and discovered the elevated IGF-1 levels, even they refused to drink any more milk -- unless it was organic and therefore untreated.Government scientists from Canada evaluated the FDA's approval of rbGH and concluded that it was a dangerous facade. The drug was banned in Canada, as well as Europe, Japan, Australia and New Zealand. But it was approved in the US while Michael Taylor was in charge. His drugged milk might have caused a significant rise in US cancer rates. Additional published evidence also implicates rbGH in the high rate of fraternal twins in the US.Taylor also determined that milk from injected cows did not require any special labeling. And as a gift to his future employer Monsanto, he wrote a white paper suggesting that if companies ever had the audacity to label their products as not using rbGH, they should also include a disclaimer stating that according to the FDA, there is no difference between milk from treated and untreated cows.Taylor's disclaimer was also a lie. Monsanto's own studies and FDA scientists officially acknowledged differences in the drugged milk. No matter. Monsanto used Taylor's white paper as the basis to successfully sue dairies that labeled their products as rbGH-free.Will Monsanto's Wolff Also Guard the Chickens?As consumers learned that rbGH was dangerous, they refused to buy the milk. To keep their customers, a tidal wave of companies has publicly committed to not use the drug and to label their products as such. Monsanto tried unsuccessfully to convince the FDA and FTC to make it illegal for dairies to make rbGH-free claims, so they went to their special friend in Pennsylvania -- Dennis Wolff. As state secretary of agriculture, Wolff unilaterally declared that labeling products rbGH-free was illegal, and that all such labels must be removed from shelves statewide. This would, of course, eliminate the label from all national brands, as they couldn't afford to create separate packaging for just one state.Fortunately, consumer demand forced Pennsylvania' s Governor Ed Rendell to step in and stop Wolff's madness. But Rendell allowed Wolff to take a compromised position that now requires rbGH-free claims to also be accompanied by Taylor's FDA disclaimer on the package.President Obama is considering Dennis Wolff for the top food safety post at the USDA. Yikes!Rumor has it that the reason why Pennsylvania' s governor is supporting Wolff's appointment is to get him out of the state -- after he "screwed up so badly" with the rbGH decision. Oh great, governor. Thanks.Ohio Governor Gets Taylor-itusOhio not only followed Pennsylvania' s lead by requiring Taylor's FDA disclaimer on packaging, they went a step further. They declared that dairies must place that disclaimer on the same panel where rbGH-free claims are made, and even dictated the font size. This would force national brands to re-design their labels and may ultimately dissuade them from making rbGH-free claims at all. The Organic Trade Association and the International Dairy Foods Association filed a lawsuit against Ohio. Although they lost the first court battle, upon appeal, the judge ordered a mediation session that takes place today. Thousands of Ohio citizens have flooded Governor Strickland's office with urgent requests to withdraw the states anti-consumer labeling requirements.Perhaps the governor has an ulterior motive for pushing his new rules. If he goes ahead with his labeling plans, he might end up with a top appointment in the Obama administration.

The truth is ugly sometimes, but knowing it may set you free. Once upon a time I was quite the liberal Democrat, and I am certainly no Republican today. But neither am I blind as I once was and I am very much involved in the efforts to insure health freedom and to restore liberty and freedom to the sovereign citizens of the sovereign states of the federal republic of the United States of America.

OK, off my soapbox. This is not an invitation to begin a political debate, as that will detract from the main purpose of this group - beating and avoiding cancer and living longer, healthier and happier lives. But it had to be said.

oleander soup, rleeh2001@.. . wrote:>> Can't you people see behind the seen, Obama is doing just exactly what he > need to do, you people need to look deeper than the surface to see what is > really going on.> This is not business as usual, that ended with George Bush, this is a > completely different chapter. > Obama is a Spiritual person, with intentions and a soul contract to bring > Heaven to Earth, the Golden Age,. . . (pardon me while I barf - Tony)

 

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oleander soup oleander soup On Behalf Of TonyTuesday, August 04, 2009 6:44 PMoleander soup Subject: Re: OK, time for a rant on Obama and our health

 

Yes, Dr. G - I think we should require every elected, appointed and hired government official to swear an oath to uphold and protect the Constitution in accordance to the vision and wishes of our forefathers or else abdicate their office. Those that refuse to abdicate and go against the constitution, selling their souls to the devil and serving greed and lust for power instead of the common citizens, should be removed by whatever means necessary.

Perhaps a few traitors swinging from the yard arms outside the buildings of the government that is supposed to exist solely to support us and protect our life, liberty and pursuit of happiness might send just the right signal that we have had enough.

I should add that I am a very non-violent person - so much so that I often won't even step on a spider but will instead collect it and put it outside. But this is my life, my country, my freedoms, my health and that of my friends, loved ones and fellow citizens and I am quite frankly fed up with seeing all of those usurped and eroded year after year and crooked puppet administration after crooked puppet administration.

Once again, this is not intended to be a political discussion group - but the core message here is natural health, and the fight to have the freedom to address our very private health concerns however we see fit is part of a bigger fight that we have been losing for far too long.

 

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I think people do not understand that we will be getting some sort of health

care " reform " whether we like it or not because the business community has

determined that employer based coverage has made them less competitive with

other first world countries with national health care. Walmart has been calling

for a national system since so many local governments began requiring them to

provide health insurance to keep Walmart employees out of the county social

service systems. GM credits the high cost of health insurance as one of the

reasons they went bankrupt. So what we can do is make a fuss about what kind we

get. There is a website pushing for the inclusion of Complimentary and

Alternative Medicine in the health care bill, which has been proposed by a

couple of senators. You can read about it here and send to your message to your

senators. http://www.ihpc.info/fptf/fptf.shtml

 

I am also a follower of Griffith and take some of what he says very seriously

and others with a grain of salt. I firmly believe that both parties are directed

by the same powers and, like Jesse Ventura says, they are like pro wrestlers

that fight one another for our entertainment and their profit. I also believe

that congress is owned by the corporations and will create a system that

benefits the medical industrial complex over the people. As for the for profit

health insurance industry, I have had too much experience fighting with them for

money to cover treatments of patients in the clinics where I worked to feel much

sympathy for them. As I have been told by insurance company employees, insurance

companies are not in the business of paying claims but in making money. Yes, it

would put people out of work, but then so does the elimination of criminal

activities.

 

We can only make ourselves heard and demand that our representatives in

government listen to us and not just the corporations.

 

Ruth

 

oleander soup , " Darren Pollok " <darrenpollok wrote:

>

> Well said, Tony. I think we are headed to a " Logan's Run " society where

you may be deemed too sick/old to treat. This list and others like it may

become more and more important as healthcare becomes harder to obtain. Thank

you all for sharing information and helping each other without Big Brother's

intervention.

>

> Darren

>

>

> oleander soup , " Tony " @> wrote:

> >

> >

> > I usually try to keep politics out of this group - but since the

> > abomination of the bill that is being called Obamacare and agriculture

> > regulations that favor Big Pharma and Big Food are being rammed down our

> > throats to the detriment of our health whether we like it or not, and

> > those regulations have come largely from people Obama has appointed to

> > office, I do have some things to say.

> >

> > First of all, Obama is no spiritual beingl. That is all smoke and

> > mirrors and deception, the same as the rest of Obama and the same as his

> > completely inexcusable refusal to reveal his original birth certificate

> > or release his college records. Far from any savior or " being of

> > light " as one person recently described him on another forum, he is

> > merely a new face on the latest in a very long string of puppets that

> > have served anything but the interests of the common citizens. Being of

> > light? I am not sure that any beings of light have ever come out of the

> > corrupt Chicago political organization. But perhaps he is a being of

> > light in some respects - such as light on experience, light on

> > integrity, light on truth, and light on his feet as he tap dances around

> > in front of the cameras pretending to be our savior when he is is

> > nothing more than the latest tool of the new world order elite to

> > further their agenda.

> >

> > Like W. E. B. Griffith and others have tried to tell us, the two party

> > system of Republican and Democrat is an engineered box we have been

> > trapped into. It is just an illusion - smoke and mirrors and word games

> > - that we have been trapped into. They have rigged the game so that it

> > is virtually impossible for any other party or and independent candidate

> > to have a chance, and further insured control of elections with easily

> > manipulated Diebold voting machines (did you know that the people who

> > run that company are ex-felons, btw?). At the top, both parties have

> > the same masters and the same agenda- they simply approach it from

> > different angles. And you can take this to the funny-money bank:

> > no-one gets elected at the top of the ticket that has not been vetted

> > and pre-approved by the Bilderburgs.

> >

> > If the poor dumbed down, reality show watching, filterd news consuming

> > sheeple were not so blind, that should have been imminently apparent

> > during Bush's last race which featured two Skull and Bones members

> > squared off against one another, and even more apparent when we were

> > tricked into a war of mass deception for the sake of big oil and the

> > Halliburton profiteers as well as Bush's huge expansion of government,

> > his presidential signings that eroded our freedoms, the rushed bail out

> > that did nothing to free up credit or help the financial crisis, and his

> > virtual abandonment of the conservative principles he espoused during

> > his campaign.

> >

> > In the instance of Obama, it is more of the same, just as it would have

> > been with McCain - except Obama has the pedal all the way to the floor

> > to hasten the New World Order's plans to bring America to her knees and

> > eliminate their greatest obstacle to a one-world government by the

> > elite, of the elite and for the elite. I will point out that no

> > administration has ever had the number of Council of Foreign Relations,

> > Trilateral Commission, and Bilderburg members as Obama's. His choice

> > for Healthcare was a Merck insider and, though he had to withdraw in

> > scandal due to failure to pay taxes, the Obamacare bill has his

> > signature all over it. Most of you will recognize Merck as the company

> > that brought us Vioxx and, along with their lackeys in the FDA, fought

> > to keep it on the market until over 60,000 deaths (more than the entire

> > Vietnam War) were attributed to it. And then there is Avandia, Fosamax

> > and the horrendous Gardasil vaccine jabs they bribed government

> > officials to endorse and even make mandatory for our young school girls.

> >

> > Obama's choice to head up Agriculture is a Monsanto insider, and those

> > of us who are aware of what is going on in the world recognize Monsanto

> > as the most evil of all the giant Agri-biz companies (think GMO,

> > antibiotics in meat and roundup ready food crops, along with a plan to

> > control all of our seeds).

> >

> > Likewise, the people Obama has chosen to run the financial aspects of

> > our government are Wallstreet insiders and some of the very same people

> > who were in charge of the banks we had to bail out.

> >

> > Now, returning once again to the health issues, here is the capper (thus

> > far anyway):

> >

> > The person who may be responsible for more food-related illness and

> > death than anyone in history has just been made the US food safety czar.

> > This is no joke.

> >

> > Here's the back story.

> >

> > When FDA scientists were asked to weigh in on what was to become the

> > most radical and potentially dangerous change in our food supply -- the

> > introduction of genetically modified (GM) foods -- secret documents now

> > reveal that the experts were very concerned. Memo after memo described

> > toxins, new diseases, nutritional deficiencies, and hard-to-detect

> > allergens. They were adamant that the technology carried " serious health

> > hazards, " and required careful, long-term research, including human

> > studies, before any genetically modified organisms (GMOs) could be

> > safely released into the food supply.

> >

> > But the biotech industry had rigged the game so that neither Science

> > <http://www.curezone.com/c/?/forums/f.asp?f=443> nor scientists would

> > stand in their way. They had placed their own man in charge of FDA

> > policy and he wasn't going to be swayed by feeble arguments related to

> > food safety. No, he was going to do what corporations had done for

> > decades to get past these types of pesky concerns. He was going to lie.

> >

> > Dangerous Food Safety Lies

> >

> > When the FDA was constructing their GMO

> > <http://www.curezone.com/c/?/abbreviations.asp> policy in 1991-2, their

> > scientists were clear that gene-sliced foods were significantly

> > different and could lead to " different risks " than conventional foods.

> > But official policy declared the opposite, claiming that the FDA knew

> > nothing of significant differences, and declared GMOs substantially

> > equivalent.

> >

> > This fiction became the rationale for allowing GM

> > <http://www.curezone.com/c/?/abbreviations.asp> foods on the market

> > without any required safety studies whatsoever! The determination of

> > whether GM foods were safe to eat was placed entirely in the hands of

> > the companies that made them -- companies like Monsanto, which told us

> > that the PCBs, DDT, and Agent Orange were safe.

> >

> > GMOs were rushed onto our plates in 1996. Over the next nine years,

> > multiple chronic illnesses in the US nearly doubled -- from 7% to 13%.

> > Allergy-related emergency room visits doubled between 1997 and 2002

> > while food allergies, especially among children, skyrocketed. We also

> > witnessed a dramatic rise in asthma, autism, obesity, diabetes,

> > digestive disorders, and certain cancers.

> >

> > In January of this year, Dr. P. M. Bhargava, one of the world's top

> > biologists, told me that after reviewing 600 scientific journals, he

> > concluded that the GM foods in the US are largely responsible for the

> > increase in many serious diseases.

> >

> > In May, the American Academy of Environmental Medicine concluded that

> > animal studies have demonstrated a causal relationship between GM foods

> > and infertility, accelerated aging, dysfunctional insulin regulation,

> > changes in major organs and the gastrointestinal system, and immune

> > problems such as asthma, allergies, and inflammation

> >

> > In July, a report by eight international experts determined that the

> > flimsy and superficial evaluations of GMOs by both regulators and GM

> > companies " systematically overlook the side effects " and significantly

> > underestimate " the initial signs of diseases like cancer and diseases of

> > the hormonal, immune, nervous and reproductive systems, among others. "

> >

> > The Fox Guarding the Chickens

> >

> > If GMOs are indeed responsible for massive sickness and death, then the

> > individual who oversaw the FDA policy that facilitated their

> > introduction holds a uniquely infamous role in human history. That

> > person is Michael Taylor. He had been Monsanto's attorney before

> > becoming policy chief at the FDA. Soon after, he became Monsanto's vice

> > president and chief lobbyist.

> >

> > This month Michael Taylor became the senior advisor to the commissioner

> > of the FDA. He is now America's food safety czar. What have we done?

> >

> > The Milk Man Cometh

> >

> > While Taylor was at the FDA in the early 90's, he also oversaw the

> > policy regarding Monsanto's genetically engineered bovine growth hormone

> > (rbGH/rbST) -- injected into cows to increase milk supply.

> >

> > The milk from injected cows has more pus, more antibiotics, more bovine

> > growth hormone, and most importantly, more insulin-like growth factor 1

> > (IGF-1). IGF-1 is a huge risk factor for common cancers and its high

> > levels in this drugged milk is why so many medical organizations and

> > hospitals have taken stands against rbGH. A former Monsanto scientist

> > told me that when three of his Monsanto colleagues evaluated rbGH safety

> > and discovered the elevated IGF-1 levels, even they refused to drink any

> > more milk -- unless it was organic and therefore untreated.

> >

> > Government scientists from Canada evaluated the FDA's approval of rbGH

> > and concluded that it was a dangerous facade. The drug was banned in

> > Canada, as well as Europe, Japan, Australia and New Zealand. But it was

> > approved in the US while Michael Taylor was in charge. His drugged milk

> > might have caused a significant rise in US cancer rates. Additional

> > published evidence also implicates rbGH in the high rate of fraternal

> > twins in the US.

> >

> > Taylor also determined that milk from injected cows did not require any

> > special labeling. And as a gift to his future employer Monsanto, he

> > wrote a white paper suggesting that if companies ever had the audacity

> > to label their products as not using rbGH, they should also include a

> > disclaimer stating that according to the FDA, there is no difference

> > between milk from treated and untreated cows.

> >

> > Taylor's disclaimer was also a lie. Monsanto's own studies and FDA

> > scientists officially acknowledged differences in the drugged milk. No

> > matter. Monsanto used Taylor's white paper as the basis to successfully

> > sue dairies that labeled their products as rbGH-free.

> >

> > Will Monsanto's Wolff Also Guard the Chickens?

> >

> > As consumers learned that rbGH was dangerous, they refused to buy the

> > milk. To keep their customers, a tidal wave of companies has publicly

> > committed to not use the drug and to label their products as such.

> > Monsanto tried unsuccessfully to convince the FDA and FTC to make it

> > illegal for dairies to make rbGH-free claims, so they went to their

> > special friend in Pennsylvania -- Dennis Wolff. As state secretary of

> > agriculture, Wolff unilaterally declared that labeling products

> > rbGH-free was illegal, and that all such labels must be removed from

> > shelves statewide. This would, of course, eliminate the label from all

> > national brands, as they couldn't afford to create separate packaging

> > for just one state.

> >

> > Fortunately, consumer demand forced Pennsylvania's Governor Ed Rendell

> > to step in and stop Wolff's madness. But Rendell allowed Wolff to take a

> > compromised position that now requires rbGH-free claims to also be

> > accompanied by Taylor's FDA disclaimer on the package.

> >

> > President Obama is considering Dennis Wolff for the top food safety post

> > at the USDA. Yikes!

> >

> > Rumor has it that the reason why Pennsylvania's governor is supporting

> > Wolff's appointment is to get him out of the state -- after he " screwed

> > up so badly " with the rbGH decision. Oh great, governor. Thanks.

> >

> > Ohio Governor Gets Taylor-itus

> >

> > Ohio not only followed Pennsylvania's lead by requiring Taylor's FDA

> > disclaimer on packaging, they went a step further. They declared that

> > dairies must place that disclaimer on the same panel where rbGH-free

> > claims are made, and even dictated the font size. This would force

> > national brands to re-design their labels and may ultimately dissuade

> > them from making rbGH-free claims at all. The Organic Trade Association

> > and the International Dairy Foods Association filed a lawsuit against

> > Ohio. Although they lost the first court battle, upon appeal, the judge

> > ordered a mediation session that takes place today. Thousands of Ohio

> > citizens have flooded Governor Strickland's office with urgent requests

> > to withdraw the states anti-consumer labeling requirements.

> >

> > Perhaps the governor has an ulterior motive for pushing his new rules.

> > If he goes ahead with his labeling plans, he might end up with a top

> > appointment in the Obama administration.

> >

> > The truth is ugly sometimes, but knowing it may set you free. Once upon

> > a time I was quite the liberal Democrat, and I am certainly no

> > Republican today. But neither am I blind as I once was and I am very

> > much involved in the efforts to insure health freedom and to restore

> > liberty and freedom to the sovereign citizens of the sovereign states of

> > the federal republic of the United States of America.

> >

> > OK, off my soapbox. This is not an invitation to begin a political

> > debate, as that will detract from the main purpose of this group -

> > beating and avoiding cancer and living longer, healthier and happier

> > lives. But it had to be said.

> >

> > > >

> >

> > oleander soup , rleeh2001@ wrote:

> > >

> > > Can't you people see behind the seen, Obama is doing just exactly what

> > he

> > > need to do, you people need to look deeper than the surface to see

> > what is

> > > really going on.

> > > This is not business as usual, that ended with George Bush, this is a

> > > completely different chapter.

> > > Obama is a Spiritual person, with intentions and a soul contract to

> > bring

> > > Heaven to Earth, the Golden Age,. . . (pardon me while I barf - Tony)

> >

>

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Cattle are not designed to digest starches. Feeding them any sort of grain makes

them sick and requires the addition of antibiotics to grain based feeds. Dried

Distiller Grains from ethanol production have the starch removed (converted to

ethanol) and what remains is cellulose (bran) and protein, two things that

cattle can digest very well. That makes distiller grains superior to corn as a

feed, however, distiller grains are a very rich diet for cattle and they often

gain too much weight. Grass is still best.

 

Ruth

 

 

oleander soup , Rosemarie Geiger <gypsy___rose wrote:

>

>

> A lot of ideas. Having a good friend working for a company that is one of the

larger bulk distributors of corn based ethanol in the US, I do know the

following as fact:

>

> The leftover material from making ethanol is fed to cows, steer and other

animals. It's called Distillers Grains (DGS) and causes cows to get ulcers.

The ulcers cause infection so the cows are injected with antibiotics. This

commonly occurs in feed lots. This make grass fed beef much healtheir than corn

fed. I believe some organic food stores carry grass fed meat.

>

> As far as all the other stuff that was mentioned, I know the Canadians and

Europeans totally agree and do not allow many American agricultural products in

their food supply. I don't know about Costa Rica but I should find out since

I'd like to retire there!

>

>

> Anyway, just wait and see how much more damage our government can do.

>

> On the other hand, the weather is great, almost everyone I know is healthy and

Obamacare will probably get defeated. Yea.

>

> Hugs,

>

>

> Rose

>

> 714.349-1200 Cell

> Be kinder than necessary, for everyone you meet is fighting some kind of

battle.

> Live Simply.... Love generously.... Care deeply.... Speak kindly.... Listen

intently...

> Leave the rest to God!

>

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Tony,

 

Hear hear! I couldn't agree more with your views, and I personally FUME at what is happening to my country. It has been taken over by illuminati bent on destroying America and all she stands for (freedom, liberty, equality, and justice). These nazis want nothing but one world order with them in charge, and everyone subservient to them. They are actively trying to cull the population not only of America, but of the world to a more "manageable" level. These evil baxtards MUST BE STOPPED AT ALL COSTS. The CFR, Bilderbergs, et.al are all the same, and they ALL want to steal every last dime from American taxpayers and bankrupt this country. They are all neocons, fascists and corporatists who will stop at nothing but complete control over EVERYTHING.

 

God help America.

 

Bob

 

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Tony

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Tuesday, August 04, 2009 7:13 AM

OK, time for a rant on Obama and our health

 

I usually try to keep politics out of this group - but since the abomination of the bill that is being called Obamacare and agriculture regulations that favor Big Pharma and Big Food are being rammed down our throats to the detriment of our health whether we like it or not, and those regulations have come largely from people Obama has appointed to office, I do have some things to say.

First of all, Obama is no spiritual beingl. That is all smoke and mirrors and deception, the same as the rest of Obama and the same as his completely inexcusable refusal to reveal his original birth certificate or release his college records. Far from any savior or "being of light" as one person recently described him on another forum, he is merely a new face on the latest in a very long string of puppets that have served anything but the interests of the common citizens. Being of light? I am not sure that any beings of light have ever come out of the corrupt Chicago political organization. But perhaps he is a being of light in some respects - such as light on experience, light on integrity, light on truth, and light on his feet as he tap dances around in front of the cameras pretending to be our savior when he is is nothing more than the latest tool of the new world order elite to further their agenda.

Like W. E. B. Griffith and others have tried to tell us, the two party system of Republican and Democrat is an engineered box we have been trapped into. It is just an illusion - smoke and mirrors and word games - that we have been trapped into. They have rigged the game so that it is virtually impossible for any other party or and independent candidate to have a chance, and further insured control of elections with easily manipulated Diebold voting machines (did you know that the people who run that company are ex-felons, btw?). At the top, both parties have the same masters and the same agenda- they simply approach it from different angles. And you can take this to the funny-money bank: no-one gets elected at the top of the ticket that has not been vetted and pre-approved by the Bilderburgs.

If the poor dumbed down, reality show watching, filterd news consuming sheeple were not so blind, that should have been imminently apparent during Bush's last race which featured two Skull and Bones members squared off against one another, and even more apparent when we were tricked into a war of mass deception for the sake of big oil and the Halliburton profiteers as well as Bush's huge expansion of government, his presidential signings that eroded our freedoms, the rushed bail out that did nothing to free up credit or help the financial crisis, and his virtual abandonment of the conservative principles he espoused during his campaign.

In the instance of Obama, it is more of the same, just as it would have been with McCain - except Obama has the pedal all the way to the floor to hasten the New World Order's plans to bring America to her knees and eliminate their greatest obstacle to a one-world government by the elite, of the elite and for the elite. I will point out that no administration has ever had the number of Council of Foreign Relations, Trilateral Commission, and Bilderburg members as Obama's. His choice for Healthcare was a Merck insider and, though he had to withdraw in scandal due to failure to pay taxes, the Obamacare bill has his signature all over it. Most of you will recognize Merck as the company that brought us Vioxx and, along with their lackeys in the FDA, fought to keep it on the market until over 60,000 deaths (more than the entire Vietnam War) were attributed to it. And then there is Avandia, Fosamax and the horrendous Gardasil vaccine jabs they bribed government officials to endorse and even make mandatory for our young school girls.

Obama's choice to head up Agriculture is a Monsanto insider, and those of us who are aware of what is going on in the world recognize Monsanto as the most evil of all the giant Agri-biz companies (think GMO, antibiotics in meat and roundup ready food crops, along with a plan to control all of our seeds).

Likewise, the people Obama has chosen to run the financial aspects of our government are Wallstreet insiders and some of the very same people who were in charge of the banks we had to bail out.

Now, returning once again to the health issues, here is the capper (thus far anyway):

The person who may be responsible for more food-related illness and death than anyone in history has just been made the US food safety czar. This is no joke.Here's the back story.When FDA scientists were asked to weigh in on what was to become the most radical and potentially dangerous change in our food supply -- the introduction of genetically modified (GM) foods -- secret documents now reveal that the experts were very concerned. Memo after memo described toxins, new diseases, nutritional deficiencies, and hard-to-detect allergens. They were adamant that the technology carried "serious health hazards," and required careful, long-term research, including human studies, before any genetically modified organisms (GMOs) could be safely released into the food supply.But the biotech industry had rigged the game so that neither Science nor scientists would stand in their way. They had placed their own man in charge of FDA policy and he wasn't going to be swayed by feeble arguments related to food safety. No, he was going to do what corporations had done for decades to get past these types of pesky concerns. He was going to lie.Dangerous Food Safety LiesWhen the FDA was constructing their GMO policy in 1991-2, their scientists were clear that gene-sliced foods were significantly different and could lead to "different risks" than conventional foods. But official policy declared the opposite, claiming that the FDA knew nothing of significant differences, and declared GMOs substantially equivalent.This fiction became the rationale for allowing GM foods on the market without any required safety studies whatsoever! The determination of whether GM foods were safe to eat was placed entirely in the hands of the companies that made them -- companies like Monsanto, which told us that the PCBs, DDT, and Agent Orange were safe.GMOs were rushed onto our plates in 1996. Over the next nine years, multiple chronic illnesses in the US nearly doubled -- from 7% to 13%. Allergy-related emergency room visits doubled between 1997 and 2002 while food allergies, especially among children, skyrocketed. We also witnessed a dramatic rise in asthma, autism, obesity, diabetes, digestive disorders, and certain cancers.In January of this year, Dr. P. M. Bhargava, one of the world's top biologists, told me that after reviewing 600 scientific journals, he concluded that the GM foods in the US are largely responsible for the increase in many serious diseases.In May, the American Academy of Environmental Medicine concluded that animal studies have demonstrated a causal relationship between GM foods and infertility, accelerated aging, dysfunctional insulin regulation, changes in major organs and the gastrointestinal system, and immune problems such as asthma, allergies, and inflammationIn July, a report by eight international experts determined that the flimsy and superficial evaluations of GMOs by both regulators and GM companies "systematically overlook the side effects" and significantly underestimate "the initial signs of diseases like cancer and diseases of the hormonal, immune, nervous and reproductive systems, among others."The Fox Guarding the ChickensIf GMOs are indeed responsible for massive sickness and death, then the individual who oversaw the FDA policy that facilitated their introduction holds a uniquely infamous role in human history. That person is Michael Taylor. He had been Monsanto's attorney before becoming policy chief at the FDA. Soon after, he became Monsanto's vice president and chief lobbyist.This month Michael Taylor became the senior advisor to the commissioner of the FDA. He is now America's food safety czar. What have we done?The Milk Man ComethWhile Taylor was at the FDA in the early 90's, he also oversaw the policy regarding Monsanto's genetically engineered bovine growth hormone (rbGH/rbST) -- injected into cows to increase milk supply.The milk from injected cows has more pus, more antibiotics, more bovine growth hormone, and most importantly, more insulin-like growth factor 1 (IGF-1). IGF-1 is a huge risk factor for common cancers and its high levels in this drugged milk is why so many medical organizations and hospitals have taken stands against rbGH. A former Monsanto scientist told me that when three of his Monsanto colleagues evaluated rbGH safety and discovered the elevated IGF-1 levels, even they refused to drink any more milk -- unless it was organic and therefore untreated.Government scientists from Canada evaluated the FDA's approval of rbGH and concluded that it was a dangerous facade. The drug was banned in Canada, as well as Europe, Japan, Australia and New Zealand. But it was approved in the US while Michael Taylor was in charge. His drugged milk might have caused a significant rise in US cancer rates. Additional published evidence also implicates rbGH in the high rate of fraternal twins in the US.Taylor also determined that milk from injected cows did not require any special labeling. And as a gift to his future employer Monsanto, he wrote a white paper suggesting that if companies ever had the audacity to label their products as not using rbGH, they should also include a disclaimer stating that according to the FDA, there is no difference between milk from treated and untreated cows.Taylor's disclaimer was also a lie. Monsanto's own studies and FDA scientists officially acknowledged differences in the drugged milk. No matter. Monsanto used Taylor's white paper as the basis to successfully sue dairies that labeled their products as rbGH-free.Will Monsanto's Wolff Also Guard the Chickens?As consumers learned that rbGH was dangerous, they refused to buy the milk. To keep their customers, a tidal wave of companies has publicly committed to not use the drug and to label their products as such. Monsanto tried unsuccessfully to convince the FDA and FTC to make it illegal for dairies to make rbGH-free claims, so they went to their special friend in Pennsylvania -- Dennis Wolff. As state secretary of agriculture, Wolff unilaterally declared that labeling products rbGH-free was illegal, and that all such labels must be removed from shelves statewide. This would, of course, eliminate the label from all national brands, as they couldn't afford to create separate packaging for just one state.Fortunately, consumer demand forced Pennsylvania's Governor Ed Rendell to step in and stop Wolff's madness. But Rendell allowed Wolff to take a compromised position that now requires rbGH-free claims to also be accompanied by Taylor's FDA disclaimer on the package.President Obama is considering Dennis Wolff for the top food safety post at the USDA. Yikes!Rumor has it that the reason why Pennsylvania's governor is supporting Wolff's appointment is to get him out of the state -- after he "screwed up so badly" with the rbGH decision. Oh great, governor. Thanks.Ohio Governor Gets Taylor-itusOhio not only followed Pennsylvania's lead by requiring Taylor's FDA disclaimer on packaging, they went a step further. They declared that dairies must place that disclaimer on the same panel where rbGH-free claims are made, and even dictated the font size. This would force national brands to re-design their labels and may ultimately dissuade them from making rbGH-free claims at all. The Organic Trade Association and the International Dairy Foods Association filed a lawsuit against Ohio. Although they lost the first court battle, upon appeal, the judge ordered a mediation session that takes place today. Thousands of Ohio citizens have flooded Governor Strickland's office with urgent requests to withdraw the states anti-consumer labeling requirements.Perhaps the governor has an ulterior motive for pushing his new rules. If he goes ahead with his labeling plans, he might end up with a top appointment in the Obama administration.

The truth is ugly sometimes, but knowing it may set you free. Once upon a time I was quite the liberal Democrat, and I am certainly no Republican today. But neither am I blind as I once was and I am very much involved in the efforts to insure health freedom and to restore liberty and freedom to the sovereign citizens of the sovereign states of the federal republic of the United States of America.

OK, off my soapbox. This is not an invitation to begin a political debate, as that will detract from the main purpose of this group - beating and avoiding cancer and living longer, healthier and happier lives. But it had to be said.

oleander soup , rleeh2001 wrote:>> Can't you people see behind the seen, Obama is doing just exactly what he > need to do, you people need to look deeper than the surface to see what is > really going on.> This is not business as usual, that ended with George Bush, this is a > completely different chapter. > Obama is a Spiritual person, with intentions and a soul contract to bring > Heaven to Earth, the Golden Age,. . . (pardon me while I barf - Tony)

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Dr. Goebel,

 

Bravo. These evil nazi's must be stopped!

 

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Tuesday, August 04, 2009 9:35 AM

Re: OK, time for a rant on Obama and our health

 

 

 

 

Thank you for your RANT. God bless you! Now would about 100 million citizens scream the rant also! We need to hang the traitors and thieves.Dr. Goebel--- On Tue, 8/4/09, Tony wrote:

Tony OK, time for a rant on Obama and our healtholeander soup Date: Tuesday, August 4, 2009, 9:13 AM

 

I usually try to keep politics out of this group - but since the abomination of the bill that is being called Obamacare and agriculture regulations that favor Big Pharma and Big Food are being rammed down our throats to the detriment of our health whether we like it or not, and those regulations have come largely from people Obama has appointed to office, I do have some things to say.

First of all, Obama is no spiritual beingl. That is all smoke and mirrors and deception, the same as the rest of Obama and the same as his completely inexcusable refusal to reveal his original birth certificate or release his college records. Far from any savior or "being of light" as one person recently described him on another forum, he is merely a new face on the latest in a very long string of puppets that have served anything but the interests of the common citizens. Being of light? I am not sure that any beings of light have ever come out of the corrupt Chicago political organization. But perhaps he is a being of light in some respects - such as light on experience, light on integrity, light on truth, and light on his feet as he tap dances around in front of the cameras pretending to be our savior when he is is nothing more than the latest tool of the new world order elite to further their agenda.

Like W. E. B. Griffith and others have tried to tell us, the two party system of Republican and Democrat is an engineered box we have been trapped into. It is just an illusion - smoke and mirrors and word games - that we have been trapped into. They have rigged the game so that it is virtually impossible for any other party or and independent candidate to have a chance, and further insured control of elections with easily manipulated Diebold voting machines (did you know that the people who run that company are ex-felons, btw?). At the top, both parties have the same masters and the same agenda- they simply approach it from different angles. And you can take this to the funny-money bank: no-one gets elected at the top of the ticket that has not been vetted and pre-approved by the Bilderburgs.

If the poor dumbed down, reality show watching, filterd news consuming sheeple were not so blind, that should have been imminently apparent during Bush's last race which featured two Skull and Bones members squared off against one another, and even more apparent when we were tricked into a war of mass deception for the sake of big oil and the Halliburton profiteers as well as Bush's huge expansion of government, his presidential signings that eroded our freedoms, the rushed bail out that did nothing to free up credit or help the financial crisis, and his virtual abandonment of the conservative principles he espoused during his campaign.

In the instance of Obama, it is more of the same, just as it would have been with McCain - except Obama has the pedal all the way to the floor to hasten the New World Order's plans to bring America to her knees and eliminate their greatest obstacle to a one-world government by the elite, of the elite and for the elite. I will point out that no administration has ever had the number of Council of Foreign Relations, Trilateral Commission, and Bilderburg members as Obama's. His choice for Healthcare was a Merck insider and, though he had to withdraw in scandal due to failure to pay taxes, the Obamacare bill has his signature all over it. Most of you will recognize Merck as the company that brought us Vioxx and, along with their lackeys in the FDA, fought to keep it on the market until over 60,000 deaths (more than the entire Vietnam War) were attributed to it. And then there is Avandia, Fosamax and the horrendous Gardasil vaccine jabs they bribed government officials to endorse and even make mandatory for our young school girls.

Obama's choice to head up Agriculture is a Monsanto insider, and those of us who are aware of what is going on in the world recognize Monsanto as the most evil of all the giant Agri-biz companies (think GMO, antibiotics in meat and roundup ready food crops, along with a plan to control all of our seeds).

Likewise, the people Obama has chosen to run the financial aspects of our government are Wallstreet insiders and some of the very same people who were in charge of the banks we had to bail out.

Now, returning once again to the health issues, here is the capper (thus far anyway):

The person who may be responsible for more food-related illness and death than anyone in history has just been made the US food safety czar. This is no joke.Here's the back story.When FDA scientists were asked to weigh in on what was to become the most radical and potentially dangerous change in our food supply -- the introduction of genetically modified (GM) foods -- secret documents now reveal that the experts were very concerned. Memo after memo described toxins, new diseases, nutritional deficiencies, and hard-to-detect allergens. They were adamant that the technology carried "serious health hazards," and required careful, long-term research, including human studies, before any genetically modified organisms (GMOs) could be safely released into the food supply.But the biotech industry had rigged the game so that neither Science nor scientists would stand in their way. They had placed their own man in charge of FDA policy and he wasn't going to be swayed by feeble arguments related to food safety. No, he was going to do what corporations had done for decades to get past these types of pesky concerns. He was going to lie.Dangerous Food Safety LiesWhen the FDA was constructing their GMO policy in 1991-2, their scientists were clear that gene-sliced foods were significantly different and could lead to "different risks" than conventional foods. But official policy declared the opposite, claiming that the FDA knew nothing of significant differences, and declared GMOs substantially equivalent.This fiction became the rationale for allowing GM foods on the market without any required safety studies whatsoever! The determination of whether GM foods were safe to eat was placed entirely in the hands of the companies that made them -- companies like Monsanto, which told us that the PCBs, DDT, and Agent Orange were safe.GMOs were rushed onto our plates in 1996. Over the next nine years, multiple chronic illnesses in the US nearly doubled -- from 7% to 13%. Allergy-related emergency room visits doubled between 1997 and 2002 while food allergies, especially among children, skyrocketed. We also witnessed a dramatic rise in asthma, autism, obesity, diabetes, digestive disorders, and certain cancers.In January of this year, Dr. P. M. Bhargava, one of the world's top biologists, told me that after reviewing 600 scientific journals, he concluded that the GM foods in the US are largely responsible for the increase in many serious diseases.In May, the American Academy of Environmental Medicine concluded that animal studies have demonstrated a causal relationship between GM foods and infertility, accelerated aging, dysfunctional insulin regulation, changes in major organs and the gastrointestinal system, and immune problems such as asthma, allergies, and inflammationIn July, a report by eight international experts determined that the flimsy and superficial evaluations of GMOs by both regulators and GM companies "systematically overlook the side effects" and significantly underestimate "the initial signs of diseases like cancer and diseases of the hormonal, immune, nervous and reproductive systems, among others."The Fox Guarding the ChickensIf GMOs are indeed responsible for massive sickness and death, then the individual who oversaw the FDA policy that facilitated their introduction holds a uniquely infamous role in human history. That person is Michael Taylor. He had been Monsanto's attorney before becoming policy chief at the FDA. Soon after, he became Monsanto's vice president and chief lobbyist.This month Michael Taylor became the senior advisor to the commissioner of the FDA. He is now America's food safety czar. What have we done?The Milk Man ComethWhile Taylor was at the FDA in the early 90's, he also oversaw the policy regarding Monsanto's genetically engineered bovine growth hormone (rbGH/rbST) -- injected into cows to increase milk supply.The milk from injected cows has more pus, more antibiotics, more bovine growth hormone, and most importantly, more insulin-like growth factor 1 (IGF-1). IGF-1 is a huge risk factor for common cancers and its high levels in this drugged milk is why so many medical organizations and hospitals have taken stands against rbGH. A former Monsanto scientist told me that when three of his Monsanto colleagues evaluated rbGH safety and discovered the elevated IGF-1 levels, even they refused to drink any more milk -- unless it was organic and therefore untreated.Government scientists from Canada evaluated the FDA's approval of rbGH and concluded that it was a dangerous facade. The drug was banned in Canada, as well as Europe, Japan, Australia and New Zealand. But it was approved in the US while Michael Taylor was in charge. His drugged milk might have caused a significant rise in US cancer rates. Additional published evidence also implicates rbGH in the high rate of fraternal twins in the US.Taylor also determined that milk from injected cows did not require any special labeling. And as a gift to his future employer Monsanto, he wrote a white paper suggesting that if companies ever had the audacity to label their products as not using rbGH, they should also include a disclaimer stating that according to the FDA, there is no difference between milk from treated and untreated cows.Taylor's disclaimer was also a lie. Monsanto's own studies and FDA scientists officially acknowledged differences in the drugged milk. No matter. Monsanto used Taylor's white paper as the basis to successfully sue dairies that labeled their products as rbGH-free.Will Monsanto's Wolff Also Guard the Chickens?As consumers learned that rbGH was dangerous, they refused to buy the milk. To keep their customers, a tidal wave of companies has publicly committed to not use the drug and to label their products as such. Monsanto tried unsuccessfully to convince the FDA and FTC to make it illegal for dairies to make rbGH-free claims, so they went to their special friend in Pennsylvania -- Dennis Wolff. As state secretary of agriculture, Wolff unilaterally declared that labeling products rbGH-free was illegal, and that all such labels must be removed from shelves statewide. This would, of course, eliminate the label from all national brands, as they couldn't afford to create separate packaging for just one state.Fortunately, consumer demand forced Pennsylvania' s Governor Ed Rendell to step in and stop Wolff's madness. But Rendell allowed Wolff to take a compromised position that now requires rbGH-free claims to also be accompanied by Taylor's FDA disclaimer on the package.President Obama is considering Dennis Wolff for the top food safety post at the USDA. Yikes!Rumor has it that the reason why Pennsylvania' s governor is supporting Wolff's appointment is to get him out of the state -- after he "screwed up so badly" with the rbGH decision. Oh great, governor. Thanks.Ohio Governor Gets Taylor-itusOhio not only followed Pennsylvania' s lead by requiring Taylor's FDA disclaimer on packaging, they went a step further. They declared that dairies must place that disclaimer on the same panel where rbGH-free claims are made, and even dictated the font size. This would force national brands to re-design their labels and may ultimately dissuade them from making rbGH-free claims at all. The Organic Trade Association and the International Dairy Foods Association filed a lawsuit against Ohio. Although they lost the first court battle, upon appeal, the judge ordered a mediation session that takes place today. Thousands of Ohio citizens have flooded Governor Strickland's office with urgent requests to withdraw the states anti-consumer labeling requirements.Perhaps the governor has an ulterior motive for pushing his new rules. If he goes ahead with his labeling plans, he might end up with a top appointment in the Obama administration.

The truth is ugly sometimes, but knowing it may set you free. Once upon a time I was quite the liberal Democrat, and I am certainly no Republican today. But neither am I blind as I once was and I am very much involved in the efforts to insure health freedom and to restore liberty and freedom to the sovereign citizens of the sovereign states of the federal republic of the United States of America.

OK, off my soapbox. This is not an invitation to begin a political debate, as that will detract from the main purpose of this group - beating and avoiding cancer and living longer, healthier and happier lives. But it had to be said.

oleander soup, rleeh2001@.. . wrote:>> Can't you people see behind the seen, Obama is doing just exactly what he > need to do, you people need to look deeper than the surface to see what is > really going on.> This is not business as usual, that ended with George Bush, this is a > completely different chapter. > Obama is a Spiritual person, with intentions and a soul contract to bring > Heaven to Earth, the Golden Age,. . . (pardon me while I barf - Tony)

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Laura,

 

So what are you doing to change things for the better?

 

Bob

 

 

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Tuesday, August 04, 2009 2:09 PM

RE: OK, time for a rant on Obama and our health

 

 

 

So many folks would have nothing to complain about if the world were ‘perfect’, and even then it would be a filtered, poorly interpreted dimension of real reality anyway.

If just half the complainers, that know everything ‘wrong’ (that we all know anyway cuz we aren’t stupid) and all the ‘right’ ways things should be done actually went out and did something more than rant, complain, blame, explain their points, vote, sign a few petitions, and made silent demonstrations, maybe things would actually change. Ah, but then they would find something else to find fault with…

Life is how it is. I say go do something actively or don’t talk about it! Make your point by being a role model of change and prove your point by actions and get rid of the negative, know-it-all, I’m right he’s wrong demeanor.

Peace,

Laura

 

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The level of violent rhetoric on the list is getting uncomfortable. Words have weight. Please consider this.

 

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Bob Banever <bbaneveroleander soup Sent: Wednesday, August 5, 2009 10:30:43 PMRe: OK, time for a rant on Obama and our health

 

Dr. Goebel,

 

Bravo. These evil nazi's must be stopped!

 

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Michael Goebel

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Tuesday, August 04, 2009 9:35 AM

Re: OK, time for a rant on Obama and our health

 

 

 

 

Thank you for your RANT. God bless you! Now would about 100 million citizens scream the rant also! We need to hang the traitors and thieves.Dr. Goebel--- On Tue, 8/4/09, Tony > wrote:

Tony > OK, time for a rant on Obama and our healtholeander soupTuesday, August 4, 2009, 9:13 AM

 

I usually try to keep politics out of this group - but since the abomination of the bill that is being called Obamacare and agriculture regulations that favor Big Pharma and Big Food are being rammed down our throats to the detriment of our health whether we like it or not, and those regulations have come largely from people Obama has appointed to office, I do have some things to say.

First of all, Obama is no spiritual beingl. That is all smoke and mirrors and deception, the same as the rest of Obama and the same as his completely inexcusable refusal to reveal his original birth certificate or release his college records. Far from any savior or "being of light" as one person recently described him on another forum, he is merely a new face on the latest in a very long string of puppets that have served anything but the interests of the common citizens. Being of light? I am not sure that any beings of light have ever come out of the corrupt Chicago political organization. But perhaps he is a being of light in some respects - such as light on experience, light on integrity, light on truth, and light on his feet as he tap dances around in front of the cameras pretending to be our savior when he is is nothing more than the

latest tool of the new world order elite to further their agenda.

Like W. E. B. Griffith and others have tried to tell us, the two party system of Republican and Democrat is an engineered box we have been trapped into. It is just an illusion - smoke and mirrors and word games - that we have been trapped into. They have rigged the game so that it is virtually impossible for any other party or and independent candidate to have a chance, and further insured control of elections with easily manipulated Diebold voting machines (did you know that the people who run that company are ex-felons, btw?). At the top, both parties have the same masters and the same agenda- they simply approach it from different angles. And you can take this to the funny-money bank: no-one gets elected at the top of the ticket that has not been vetted and pre-approved by the Bilderburgs.

If the poor dumbed down, reality show watching, filterd news consuming sheeple were not so blind, that should have been imminently apparent during Bush's last race which featured two Skull and Bones members squared off against one another, and even more apparent when we were tricked into a war of mass deception for the sake of big oil and the Halliburton profiteers as well as Bush's huge expansion of government, his presidential signings that eroded our freedoms, the rushed bail out that did nothing to free up credit or help the financial crisis, and his virtual abandonment of the conservative principles he espoused during his campaign.

In the instance of Obama, it is more of the same, just as it would have been with McCain - except Obama has the pedal all the way to the floor to hasten the New World Order's plans to bring America to her knees and eliminate their greatest obstacle to a one-world government by the elite, of the elite and for the elite. I will point out that no administration has ever had the number of Council of Foreign Relations, Trilateral Commission, and Bilderburg members as Obama's. His choice for Healthcare was a Merck insider and, though he had to withdraw in scandal due to failure to pay taxes, the Obamacare bill has his signature all over it. Most of you will recognize Merck as the company that brought us Vioxx and, along with their lackeys in the FDA, fought to keep it on the market until over 60,000 deaths (more than the entire Vietnam War) were attributed to it. And then there is

Avandia, Fosamax and the horrendous Gardasil vaccine jabs they bribed government officials to endorse and even make mandatory for our young school girls.

Obama's choice to head up Agriculture is a Monsanto insider, and those of us who are aware of what is going on in the world recognize Monsanto as the most evil of all the giant Agri-biz companies (think GMO, antibiotics in meat and roundup ready food crops, along with a plan to control all of our seeds).

Likewise, the people Obama has chosen to run the financial aspects of our government are Wallstreet insiders and some of the very same people who were in charge of the banks we had to bail out.

Now, returning once again to the health issues, here is the capper (thus far anyway):

The person who may be responsible for more food-related illness and death than anyone in history has just been made the US food safety czar. This is no joke.Here's the back story.When FDA scientists were asked to weigh in on what was to become the most radical and potentially dangerous change in our food supply -- the introduction of genetically modified (GM) foods -- secret documents now reveal that the experts were very concerned. Memo after memo described toxins, new diseases, nutritional deficiencies, and hard-to-detect allergens. They were adamant that the technology carried "serious health hazards," and required careful, long-term research, including human studies, before any genetically modified organisms (GMOs) could be safely released into the food supply.But the biotech industry had rigged the game so that neither Science nor scientists would stand in their way. They had placed their own man in charge of FDA policy and he wasn't going to be swayed by feeble arguments related to food safety. No, he was going to do what corporations had done for decades to get past these types of pesky concerns. He was going to lie.Dangerous Food Safety LiesWhen the FDA was constructing their GMO policy in 1991-2, their scientists were clear that gene-sliced foods were significantly different and could lead to "different risks" than conventional

foods. But official policy declared the opposite, claiming that the FDA knew nothing of significant differences, and declared GMOs substantially equivalent.This fiction became the rationale for allowing GM foods on the market without any required safety studies whatsoever! The determination of whether GM foods were safe to eat was placed entirely in the hands of the companies that made them -- companies like Monsanto, which told us that the PCBs, DDT, and Agent Orange were safe.GMOs were rushed onto our plates in 1996. Over the next nine years, multiple chronic illnesses in the US nearly doubled -- from 7% to 13%. Allergy-related emergency room visits doubled between 1997 and 2002 while food allergies, especially

among children, skyrocketed. We also witnessed a dramatic rise in asthma, autism, obesity, diabetes, digestive disorders, and certain cancers.In January of this year, Dr. P. M. Bhargava, one of the world's top biologists, told me that after reviewing 600 scientific journals, he concluded that the GM foods in the US are largely responsible for the increase in many serious diseases.In May, the American Academy of Environmental Medicine concluded that animal studies have demonstrated a causal relationship between GM foods and infertility, accelerated aging, dysfunctional insulin regulation, changes in major organs and the gastrointestinal system, and immune problems such as asthma, allergies, and inflammationIn July, a report by eight international experts determined that the flimsy and superficial evaluations of GMOs by both regulators and GM companies "systematically overlook the side effects" and significantly underestimate "the

initial signs of diseases like cancer and diseases of the hormonal, immune, nervous and reproductive systems, among others."The Fox Guarding the ChickensIf GMOs are indeed responsible for massive sickness and death, then the individual who oversaw the FDA policy that facilitated their introduction holds a uniquely infamous role in human history. That person is Michael Taylor. He had been Monsanto's attorney before becoming policy chief at the FDA. Soon after, he became Monsanto's vice president and chief lobbyist.This month Michael Taylor became the senior advisor to the commissioner of the FDA. He is now America's food safety czar. What have we done?The Milk Man ComethWhile Taylor was at the FDA in the early 90's, he also oversaw the policy regarding Monsanto's genetically engineered bovine growth hormone (rbGH/rbST) -- injected into cows to increase milk supply.The milk from injected cows has more pus,

more antibiotics, more bovine growth hormone, and most importantly, more insulin-like growth factor 1 (IGF-1). IGF-1 is a huge risk factor for common cancers and its high levels in this drugged milk is why so many medical organizations and hospitals have taken stands against rbGH. A former Monsanto scientist told me that when three of his Monsanto colleagues evaluated rbGH safety and discovered the elevated IGF-1 levels, even they refused to drink any more milk -- unless it was organic and therefore untreated.Government scientists from Canada evaluated the FDA's approval of rbGH and concluded that it was a dangerous facade. The drug was banned in Canada, as well as Europe, Japan, Australia and New Zealand. But it was approved in the US while Michael Taylor was in charge. His drugged milk might have caused a significant rise in US cancer rates. Additional published evidence also implicates rbGH in the high rate of fraternal twins in the

US.Taylor also determined that milk from injected cows did not require any special labeling. And as a gift to his future employer Monsanto, he wrote a white paper suggesting that if companies ever had the audacity to label their products as not using rbGH, they should also include a disclaimer stating that according to the FDA, there is no difference between milk from treated and untreated cows.Taylor's disclaimer was also a lie. Monsanto's own studies and FDA scientists officially acknowledged differences in the drugged milk. No matter. Monsanto used Taylor's white paper as the basis to successfully sue dairies that labeled their products as rbGH-free.Will Monsanto's Wolff Also Guard the Chickens?As consumers learned that rbGH was dangerous, they refused to buy the milk. To keep their customers, a tidal wave of companies has publicly committed to not use the drug and to label their products as such. Monsanto tried

unsuccessfully to convince the FDA and FTC to make it illegal for dairies to make rbGH-free claims, so they went to their special friend in Pennsylvania -- Dennis Wolff. As state secretary of agriculture, Wolff unilaterally declared that labeling products rbGH-free was illegal, and that all such labels must be removed from shelves statewide. This would, of course, eliminate the label from all national brands, as they couldn't afford to create separate packaging for just one state.Fortunately, consumer demand forced Pennsylvania' s Governor Ed Rendell to step in and stop Wolff's madness. But Rendell allowed Wolff to take a compromised position that now requires rbGH-free claims to also be accompanied by Taylor's FDA disclaimer on the package.President Obama is considering Dennis Wolff for the top food safety post at the USDA. Yikes!Rumor has it that the reason why Pennsylvania' s governor is supporting Wolff's appointment is to

get him out of the state -- after he "screwed up so badly" with the rbGH decision. Oh great, governor. Thanks.Ohio Governor Gets Taylor-itusOhio not only followed Pennsylvania' s lead by requiring Taylor's FDA disclaimer on packaging, they went a step further. They declared that dairies must place that disclaimer on the same panel where rbGH-free claims are made, and even dictated the font size. This would force national brands to re-design their labels and may ultimately dissuade them from making rbGH-free claims at all. The Organic Trade Association and the International Dairy Foods Association filed a lawsuit against Ohio. Although they lost the first court battle, upon appeal, the judge ordered a mediation session that takes place today. Thousands of Ohio citizens have flooded Governor Strickland's office with urgent requests to withdraw the states anti-consumer labeling requirements.Perhaps the governor has an ulterior

motive for pushing his new rules. If he goes ahead with his labeling plans, he might end up with a top appointment in the Obama administration.

The truth is ugly sometimes, but knowing it may set you free. Once upon a time I was quite the liberal Democrat, and I am certainly no Republican today. But neither am I blind as I once was and I am very much involved in the efforts to insure health freedom and to restore liberty and freedom to the sovereign citizens of the sovereign states of the federal republic of the United States of America.

OK, off my soapbox. This is not an invitation to begin a political debate, as that will detract from the main purpose of this group - beating and avoiding cancer and living longer, healthier and happier lives. But it had to be said.

oleander soup, rleeh2001@.. . wrote:>> Can't you people see behind the seen, Obama is doing just exactly what he > need to do, you people need to look deeper than the surface to see what is > really going on.> This is not business as usual, that ended with George Bush, this is a > completely different chapter. > Obama is a Spiritual person, with intentions and a soul contract to bring > Heaven to Earth, the Golden Age,. . . (pardon me while I barf - Tony)

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I have to agree with Mike. I understand the level of concern this is causing and

I have enjoyed and appeciated hearing all the opinions and information, but it

is getting rather hot.

Cheryl

 

oleander soup , Mike Golden <goldenmike86 wrote:

>

> The level of violent rhetoric on the list is getting uncomfortable.  Words

have weight.  Please consider this.

>

> Mike

>

>

>

>

> ________________________________

> Bob Banever <bbanever

> oleander soup

> Wednesday, August 5, 2009 10:30:43 PM

> Re: OK, time for a rant on Obama and our health

>

>  

> Dr. Goebel,

>  

>      Bravo.  These evil nazi's must be stopped!

> -

> >Michael Goebel

> >oleander soup

> >Tuesday, August 04, 2009 9:35 AM

> >Re: OK, time for a rant on Obama and our health

> >

> >

> >Thank you for your RANT.  God bless you! 

> >

> >Now would about 100 million citizens scream the rant also!  We need to hang

the traitors and thieves.

> >

> >Dr. Goebel

> >

> >--- On Tue, 8/4/09, Tony > wrote:

> >

> >

> >>Tony >

> >> OK, time for a rant on Obama and our health

> >>oleander soup

> >>Tuesday, August 4, 2009, 9:13 AM

> >>

> >>

> >> 

> >>I usually try to keep politics out of this group - but since the abomination

of the bill that is being called Obamacare and agriculture regulations that

favor Big Pharma and Big Food are being rammed down our throats to the detriment

of our health whether we like it or not, and those regulations have come largely

from people Obama has appointed to office, I do have some things to say.

> >>First of all, Obama is no spiritual beingl.  That is all smoke and mirrors

and deception, the same as the rest of Obama and the same as his completely

inexcusable refusal to reveal his original birth certificate or release his

college records.   Far from any savior or " being of light " as one person

recently described him on another forum, he is merely a new face on the latest

in a very long string of puppets that have served anything but the interests of

the common citizens.  Being of light?  I am not sure that any beings of light

have ever come out of the corrupt Chicago political organization.  But perhaps

he is a being of light in some respects - such as light on experience, light on

integrity, light on truth, and light on his feet as he tap dances around in

front of the cameras pretending to be our savior when he is is nothing more than

the latest tool of the new world order elite to further their agenda.

> >>Like W. E. B. Griffith and others have tried to tell us, the two party

system of Republican and Democrat is an engineered box we have been trapped

into.  It is just an illusion - smoke and mirrors and word games - that we have

been trapped into.  They have rigged the game so that it is virtually impossible

for any other party or and independent candidate to have a chance, and further

insured control of elections with easily manipulated Diebold voting machines

(did you know that the people who run that company are ex-felons, btw?).  At the

top, both parties have the same masters and the same agenda- they

simply approach it from different angles.  And you can take this to the

funny-money bank:  no-one gets elected at the top of the ticket that has not

been vetted and pre-approved by the Bilderburgs.

> >>If the poor dumbed down, reality show watching, filterd news consuming

sheeple were not so blind, that should have been imminently apparent during

Bush's last race which featured two Skull and Bones members squared off against

one another, and even more apparent when we were tricked into a war of mass

deception for the sake of big oil and the Halliburton profiteers as well as

Bush's huge expansion of government, his presidential signings that eroded our

freedoms, the rushed bail out that did nothing to free up credit or help the

financial crisis, and his virtual abandonment of the conservative principles he

espoused during his campaign.

> >>In the instance of Obama, it is more of the same, just as it would have been

with McCain - except Obama has the pedal all the way to the floor to hasten the

New World Order's plans to bring America to her knees and eliminate their

greatest obstacle to a one-world government by the elite, of the elite and for

the elite.  I will point out that no administration has ever had the number of

Council of Foreign Relations, Trilateral Commission, and Bilderburg members as

Obama's.  His choice for Healthcare was a Merck insider and, though he had to

withdraw in scandal due to failure to pay taxes, the Obamacare bill has his

signature all over it.  Most of you will recognize Merck as the company that

brought us Vioxx and, along with their lackeys in the FDA, fought to keep it on

the market until over 60,000 deaths (more than the entire Vietnam War) were

attributed to it.  And then there is Avandia, Fosamax and the horrendous

Gardasil vaccine jabs they bribed

> government officials to endorse and even make mandatory for our young school

girls.

> >>Obama's choice to head up Agriculture is a Monsanto insider, and those of us

who are aware of what is going on in the world recognize Monsanto as the most

evil of all the giant Agri-biz companies (think GMO, antibiotics in meat and

roundup ready food crops, along with a plan to control all of our seeds).

> >>Likewise, the people Obama has chosen to run the financial aspects of our

government are Wallstreet insiders and some of the very same people who were in

charge of the banks we had to bail out.

> >>Now, returning once again to the health issues, here is the capper (thus far

anyway): 

> >>The person who may be responsible for more food-related illness and death

than anyone in history has just been made the US food safety czar. This is no

joke.

> >>

> >>Here's the back story.

> >>

> >>When FDA scientists were asked to weigh in on what was to become the most

radical and potentially dangerous change in our food supply -- the introduction

of genetically modified (GM) foods -- secret documents now reveal that the

experts were very concerned. Memo after memo described toxins, new diseases,

nutritional deficiencies, and hard-to-detect allergens. They were adamant that

the technology carried " serious health hazards, " and required careful, long-term

research, including human studies, before any genetically modified organisms

(GMOs) could be safely released into the food supply.

> >>

> >>But the biotech industry had rigged the game so that neither Sciencenor

scientists would stand in their way. They had placed their own man in charge of

FDA policy and he wasn't going to be swayed by feeble arguments related to food

safety. No, he was going to do what corporations had done for decades to get

past these types of pesky concerns. He was going to lie.

> >>

> >>Dangerous Food Safety Lies

> >>

> >>When the FDA was constructing their GMOpolicy in 1991-2, their scientists

were clear that gene-sliced foods were significantly different and could lead to

" different risks " than conventional foods. But official policy declared the

opposite, claiming that the FDA knew nothing of significant differences, and

declared GMOs substantially equivalent.

> >>

> >>This fiction became the rationale for allowing GMfoods on the market without

any required safety studies whatsoever! The determination of whether GM foods

were safe to eat was placed entirely in the hands of the companies that made

them -- companies like Monsanto, which told us that the PCBs, DDT, and Agent

Orange were safe.

> >>

> >>GMOs were rushed onto our plates in 1996. Over the next nine years, multiple

chronic illnesses in the US nearly doubled -- from 7% to 13%. Allergy-related

emergency room visits doubled between 1997 and 2002 while food allergies,

especially among children, skyrocketed. We also witnessed a dramatic rise in

asthma, autism, obesity, diabetes, digestive disorders, and certain cancers.

> >>

> >>In January of this year, Dr. P. M. Bhargava, one of the world's top

biologists, told me that after reviewing 600 scientific journals, he concluded

that the GM foods in the US are largely responsible for the increase in many

serious diseases.

> >>

> >>In May, the American Academy of Environmental Medicine concluded that animal

studies have demonstrated a causal relationship between GM foods and

infertility, accelerated aging, dysfunctional insulin regulation, changes in

major organs and the gastrointestinal system, and immune problems such as

asthma, allergies, and inflammation

> >>

> >>In July, a report by eight international experts determined that the flimsy

and superficial evaluations of GMOs by both regulators and GM companies

" systematically overlook the side effects " and significantly underestimate " the

initial signs of diseases like cancer and diseases of the hormonal, immune,

nervous and reproductive systems, among others. "

> >>

> >>The Fox Guarding the Chickens

> >>

> >>If GMOs are indeed responsible for massive sickness and death, then the

individual who oversaw the FDA policy that facilitated their introduction holds

a uniquely infamous role in human history. That person is Michael Taylor. He had

been Monsanto's attorney before becoming policy chief at the FDA. Soon after, he

became Monsanto's vice president and chief lobbyist.

> >>

> >>This month Michael Taylor became the senior advisor to the commissioner of

the FDA. He is now America's food safety czar. What have we done?

> >>

> >>The Milk Man Cometh

> >>

> >>While Taylor was at the FDA in the early 90's, he also oversaw the policy

regarding Monsanto's genetically engineered bovine growth hormone (rbGH/rbST) --

injected into cows to increase milk supply.

> >>

> >>The milk from injected cows has more pus, more antibiotics, more bovine

growth hormone, and most importantly, more insulin-like growth factor 1 (IGF-1).

IGF-1 is a huge risk factor for common cancers and its high levels in this

drugged milk is why so many medical organizations and hospitals have taken

stands against rbGH. A former Monsanto scientist told me that when three of his

Monsanto colleagues evaluated rbGH safety and discovered the elevated IGF-1

levels, even they refused to drink any more milk -- unless it was organic and

therefore untreated.

> >>

> >>Government scientists from Canada evaluated the FDA's approval of rbGH and

concluded that it was a dangerous facade. The drug was banned in Canada, as well

as Europe, Japan, Australia and New Zealand. But it was approved in the US while

Michael Taylor was in charge. His drugged milk might have caused a significant

rise in US cancer rates. Additional published evidence also implicates rbGH in

the high rate of fraternal twins in the US.

> >>

> >>Taylor also determined that milk from injected cows did not require any

special labeling. And as a gift to his future employer Monsanto, he wrote a

white paper suggesting that if companies ever had the audacity to label their

products as not using rbGH, they should also include a disclaimer stating that

according to the FDA, there is no difference between milk from treated and

untreated cows.

> >>

> >>Taylor's disclaimer was also a lie. Monsanto's own studies and FDA

scientists officially acknowledged differences in the drugged milk. No matter.

Monsanto used Taylor's white paper as the basis to successfully sue dairies that

labeled their products as rbGH-free.

> >>

> >>Will Monsanto's Wolff Also Guard the Chickens?

> >>

> >>As consumers learned that rbGH was dangerous, they refused to buy the milk.

To keep their customers, a tidal wave of companies has publicly committed to not

use the drug and to label their products as such. Monsanto tried unsuccessfully

to convince the FDA and FTC to make it illegal for dairies to make rbGH-free

claims, so they went to their special friend in Pennsylvania -- Dennis Wolff. As

state secretary of agriculture, Wolff unilaterally declared that labeling

products rbGH-free was illegal, and that all such labels must be removed from

shelves statewide. This would, of course, eliminate the label from all national

brands, as they couldn't afford to create separate packaging for just one state.

> >>

> >>Fortunately, consumer demand forced Pennsylvania' s Governor Ed Rendell to

step in and stop Wolff's madness. But Rendell allowed Wolff to take a

compromised position that now requires rbGH-free claims to also be accompanied

by Taylor's FDA disclaimer on the package.

> >>

> >>President Obama is considering Dennis Wolff for the top food safety post at

the USDA. Yikes!

> >>

> >>Rumor has it that the reason why Pennsylvania' s governor is supporting

Wolff's appointment is to get him out of the state -- after he " screwed up so

badly " with the rbGH decision. Oh great, governor. Thanks.

> >>

> >>Ohio Governor Gets Taylor-itus

> >>

> >>Ohio not only followed Pennsylvania' s lead by requiring Taylor's FDA

disclaimer on packaging, they went a step further. They declared that dairies

must place that disclaimer on the same panel where rbGH-free claims are made,

and even dictated the font size. This would force national brands to re-design

their labels and may ultimately dissuade them from making rbGH-free claims at

all. The Organic Trade Association and the International Dairy Foods Association

filed a lawsuit against Ohio. Although they lost the first court battle, upon

appeal, the judge ordered a mediation session that takes place today. Thousands

of Ohio citizens have flooded Governor Strickland's office with urgent requests

to withdraw the states anti-consumer labeling requirements.

> >>

> >>Perhaps the governor has an ulterior motive for pushing his new rules. If he

goes ahead with his labeling plans, he might end up with a top appointment in

the Obama administration.

> >>The truth is ugly sometimes, but knowing it may set you free.  Once upon a

time I was quite the liberal Democrat, and I am certainly no Republican today. 

But neither am I blind as I once was and I am very much involved in the efforts

to insure health freedom and to restore liberty and freedom to the sovereign

citizens of the sovereign states of the federal republic of the United States of

America.

> >>OK, off my soapbox.  This is not an invitation to begin a political debate,

as that will detract from the main purpose of this group - beating and avoiding

cancer and living longer, healthier and happier lives.  But it had to be said.

> >>> >>

> >>oleander soup, rleeh2001@ . wrote:

> >>>

> >>> Can't you people see behind the seen, Obama is doing just exactly what he

> >>> need to do, you people need to look deeper than the surface to see what is

> >>> really going on.

> >>> This is not business as usual, that ended with George Bush, this is a

> >>> completely different chapter.

> >>> Obama is a Spiritual person, with intentions and a soul contract to bring

> >>> Heaven to Earth, the Golden Age,. . . (pardon me while I barf - Tony)

> >

>

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Mike,

 

I'm simply speaking truth to power. When corporations and/or individuals threaten our very existence, our very lives, then it's imperative on us as patriots, as Americans, to change things. Tyranny has no place in America or anywhere for that matter.

 

Bob

 

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Mike Golden

oleander soup

Thursday, August 06, 2009 4:20 PM

Re: OK, time for a rant on Obama and our health

 

 

The level of violent rhetoric on the list is getting uncomfortable. Words have weight. Please consider this.

 

Mike

 

 

 

Bob Banever <bbaneveroleander soup Sent: Wednesday, August 5, 2009 10:30:43 PMRe: OK, time for a rant on Obama and our health

 

Dr. Goebel,

 

Bravo. These evil nazi's must be stopped!

 

-

Michael Goebel

oleander soup

Tuesday, August 04, 2009 9:35 AM

Re: OK, time for a rant on Obama and our health

 

 

 

 

Thank you for your RANT. God bless you! Now would about 100 million citizens scream the rant also! We need to hang the traitors and thieves.Dr. Goebel--- On Tue, 8/4/09, Tony > wrote:

Tony > OK, time for a rant on Obama and our healtholeander soupTuesday, August 4, 2009, 9:13 AM

 

I usually try to keep politics out of this group - but since the abomination of the bill that is being called Obamacare and agriculture regulations that favor Big Pharma and Big Food are being rammed down our throats to the detriment of our health whether we like it or not, and those regulations have come largely from people Obama has appointed to office, I do have some things to say.

First of all, Obama is no spiritual beingl. That is all smoke and mirrors and deception, the same as the rest of Obama and the same as his completely inexcusable refusal to reveal his original birth certificate or release his college records. Far from any savior or "being of light" as one person recently described him on another forum, he is merely a new face on the latest in a very long string of puppets that have served anything but the interests of the common citizens. Being of light? I am not sure that any beings of light have ever come out of the corrupt Chicago political organization. But perhaps he is a being of light in some respects - such as light on experience, light on integrity, light on truth, and light on his feet as he tap dances around in front of the cameras pretending to be our savior when he is is nothing more than the latest tool of the new world order elite to further their agenda.

Like W. E. B. Griffith and others have tried to tell us, the two party system of Republican and Democrat is an engineered box we have been trapped into. It is just an illusion - smoke and mirrors and word games - that we have been trapped into. They have rigged the game so that it is virtually impossible for any other party or and independent candidate to have a chance, and further insured control of elections with easily manipulated Diebold voting machines (did you know that the people who run that company are ex-felons, btw?). At the top, both parties have the same masters and the same agenda- they simply approach it from different angles. And you can take this to the funny-money bank: no-one gets elected at the top of the ticket that has not been vetted and pre-approved by the Bilderburgs.

If the poor dumbed down, reality show watching, filterd news consuming sheeple were not so blind, that should have been imminently apparent during Bush's last race which featured two Skull and Bones members squared off against one another, and even more apparent when we were tricked into a war of mass deception for the sake of big oil and the Halliburton profiteers as well as Bush's huge expansion of government, his presidential signings that eroded our freedoms, the rushed bail out that did nothing to free up credit or help the financial crisis, and his virtual abandonment of the conservative principles he espoused during his campaign.

In the instance of Obama, it is more of the same, just as it would have been with McCain - except Obama has the pedal all the way to the floor to hasten the New World Order's plans to bring America to her knees and eliminate their greatest obstacle to a one-world government by the elite, of the elite and for the elite. I will point out that no administration has ever had the number of Council of Foreign Relations, Trilateral Commission, and Bilderburg members as Obama's. His choice for Healthcare was a Merck insider and, though he had to withdraw in scandal due to failure to pay taxes, the Obamacare bill has his signature all over it. Most of you will recognize Merck as the company that brought us Vioxx and, along with their lackeys in the FDA, fought to keep it on the market until over 60,000 deaths (more than the entire Vietnam War) were attributed to it. And then there is Avandia, Fosamax and the horrendous Gardasil vaccine jabs they bribed government officials to endorse and even make mandatory for our young school girls.

Obama's choice to head up Agriculture is a Monsanto insider, and those of us who are aware of what is going on in the world recognize Monsanto as the most evil of all the giant Agri-biz companies (think GMO, antibiotics in meat and roundup ready food crops, along with a plan to control all of our seeds).

Likewise, the people Obama has chosen to run the financial aspects of our government are Wallstreet insiders and some of the very same people who were in charge of the banks we had to bail out.

Now, returning once again to the health issues, here is the capper (thus far anyway):

The person who may be responsible for more food-related illness and death than anyone in history has just been made the US food safety czar. This is no joke.Here's the back story.When FDA scientists were asked to weigh in on what was to become the most radical and potentially dangerous change in our food supply -- the introduction of genetically modified (GM) foods -- secret documents now reveal that the experts were very concerned. Memo after memo described toxins, new diseases, nutritional deficiencies, and hard-to-detect allergens. They were adamant that the technology carried "serious health hazards," and required careful, long-term research, including human studies, before any genetically modified organisms (GMOs) could be safely released into the food supply.But the biotech industry had rigged the game so that neither Science nor scientists would stand in their way. They had placed their own man in charge of FDA policy and he wasn't going to be swayed by feeble arguments related to food safety. No, he was going to do what corporations had done for decades to get past these types of pesky concerns. He was going to lie.Dangerous Food Safety LiesWhen the FDA was constructing their GMO policy in 1991-2, their scientists were clear that gene-sliced foods were significantly different and could lead to "different risks" than conventional foods. But official policy declared the opposite, claiming that the FDA knew nothing of significant differences, and declared GMOs substantially equivalent.This fiction became the rationale for allowing GM foods on the market without any required safety studies whatsoever! The determination of whether GM foods were safe to eat was placed entirely in the hands of the companies that made them -- companies like Monsanto, which told us that the PCBs, DDT, and Agent Orange were safe.GMOs were rushed onto our plates in 1996. Over the next nine years, multiple chronic illnesses in the US nearly doubled -- from 7% to 13%. Allergy-related emergency room visits doubled between 1997 and 2002 while food allergies, especially among children, skyrocketed. We also witnessed a dramatic rise in asthma, autism, obesity, diabetes, digestive disorders, and certain cancers.In January of this year, Dr. P. M. Bhargava, one of the world's top biologists, told me that after reviewing 600 scientific journals, he concluded that the GM foods in the US are largely responsible for the increase in many serious diseases.In May, the American Academy of Environmental Medicine concluded that animal studies have demonstrated a causal relationship between GM foods and infertility, accelerated aging, dysfunctional insulin regulation, changes in major organs and the gastrointestinal system, and immune problems such as asthma, allergies, and inflammationIn July, a report by eight international experts determined that the flimsy and superficial evaluations of GMOs by both regulators and GM companies "systematically overlook the side effects" and significantly underestimate "the initial signs of diseases like cancer and diseases of the hormonal, immune, nervous and reproductive systems, among others."The Fox Guarding the ChickensIf GMOs are indeed responsible for massive sickness and death, then the individual who oversaw the FDA policy that facilitated their introduction holds a uniquely infamous role in human history. That person is Michael Taylor. He had been Monsanto's attorney before becoming policy chief at the FDA. Soon after, he became Monsanto's vice president and chief lobbyist.This month Michael Taylor became the senior advisor to the commissioner of the FDA. He is now America's food safety czar. What have we done?The Milk Man ComethWhile Taylor was at the FDA in the early 90's, he also oversaw the policy regarding Monsanto's genetically engineered bovine growth hormone (rbGH/rbST) -- injected into cows to increase milk supply.The milk from injected cows has more pus, more antibiotics, more bovine growth hormone, and most importantly, more insulin-like growth factor 1 (IGF-1). IGF-1 is a huge risk factor for common cancers and its high levels in this drugged milk is why so many medical organizations and hospitals have taken stands against rbGH. A former Monsanto scientist told me that when three of his Monsanto colleagues evaluated rbGH safety and discovered the elevated IGF-1 levels, even they refused to drink any more milk -- unless it was organic and therefore untreated.Government scientists from Canada evaluated the FDA's approval of rbGH and concluded that it was a dangerous facade. The drug was banned in Canada, as well as Europe, Japan, Australia and New Zealand. But it was approved in the US while Michael Taylor was in charge. His drugged milk might have caused a significant rise in US cancer rates. Additional published evidence also implicates rbGH in the high rate of fraternal twins in the US.Taylor also determined that milk from injected cows did not require any special labeling. And as a gift to his future employer Monsanto, he wrote a white paper suggesting that if companies ever had the audacity to label their products as not using rbGH, they should also include a disclaimer stating that according to the FDA, there is no difference between milk from treated and untreated cows.Taylor's disclaimer was also a lie. Monsanto's own studies and FDA scientists officially acknowledged differences in the drugged milk. No matter. Monsanto used Taylor's white paper as the basis to successfully sue dairies that labeled their products as rbGH-free.Will Monsanto's Wolff Also Guard the Chickens?As consumers learned that rbGH was dangerous, they refused to buy the milk. To keep their customers, a tidal wave of companies has publicly committed to not use the drug and to label their products as such. Monsanto tried unsuccessfully to convince the FDA and FTC to make it illegal for dairies to make rbGH-free claims, so they went to their special friend in Pennsylvania -- Dennis Wolff. As state secretary of agriculture, Wolff unilaterally declared that labeling products rbGH-free was illegal, and that all such labels must be removed from shelves statewide. This would, of course, eliminate the label from all national brands, as they couldn't afford to create separate packaging for just one state.Fortunately, consumer demand forced Pennsylvania' s Governor Ed Rendell to step in and stop Wolff's madness. But Rendell allowed Wolff to take a compromised position that now requires rbGH-free claims to also be accompanied by Taylor's FDA disclaimer on the package.President Obama is considering Dennis Wolff for the top food safety post at the USDA. Yikes!Rumor has it that the reason why Pennsylvania' s governor is supporting Wolff's appointment is to get him out of the state -- after he "screwed up so badly" with the rbGH decision. Oh great, governor. Thanks.Ohio Governor Gets Taylor-itusOhio not only followed Pennsylvania' s lead by requiring Taylor's FDA disclaimer on packaging, they went a step further. They declared that dairies must place that disclaimer on the same panel where rbGH-free claims are made, and even dictated the font size. This would force national brands to re-design their labels and may ultimately dissuade them from making rbGH-free claims at all. The Organic Trade Association and the International Dairy Foods Association filed a lawsuit against Ohio. Although they lost the first court battle, upon appeal, the judge ordered a mediation session that takes place today. Thousands of Ohio citizens have flooded Governor Strickland's office with urgent requests to withdraw the states anti-consumer labeling requirements.Perhaps the governor has an ulterior motive for pushing his new rules. If he goes ahead with his labeling plans, he might end up with a top appointment in the Obama administration.

The truth is ugly sometimes, but knowing it may set you free. Once upon a time I was quite the liberal Democrat, and I am certainly no Republican today. But neither am I blind as I once was and I am very much involved in the efforts to insure health freedom and to restore liberty and freedom to the sovereign citizens of the sovereign states of the federal republic of the United States of America.

OK, off my soapbox. This is not an invitation to begin a political debate, as that will detract from the main purpose of this group - beating and avoiding cancer and living longer, healthier and happier lives. But it had to be said.

oleander soup, rleeh2001@.. . wrote:>> Can't you people see behind the seen, Obama is doing just exactly what he > need to do, you people need to look deeper than the surface to see what is > really going on.> This is not business as usual, that ended with George Bush, this is a > completely different chapter. > Obama is a Spiritual person, with intentions and a soul contract to bring > Heaven to Earth, the Golden Age,. . . (pardon me while I barf - Tony)

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Speaking opinion is one thing. Talking about hanging people is quite a different story.

 

Mike

 

 

 

Bob Banever <bbaneveroleander soup Sent: Friday, August 7, 2009 7:19:09 AMRe: OK, time for a rant on Obama and our health

 

Mike,

 

I'm simply speaking truth to power. When corporations and/or individuals threaten our very existence, our very lives, then it's imperative on us as patriots, as Americans, to change things. Tyranny has no place in America or anywhere for that matter.

 

Bob

 

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Mike Golden

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Re: OK, time for a rant on Obama and our health

 

 

The level of violent rhetoric on the list is getting uncomfortable. Words have weight. Please consider this.

 

Mike

 

 

 

Bob Banever <bbanever (AT) earthlink (DOT) net>oleander soupWednesday, August 5, 2009 10:30:43 PMRe: OK, time for a rant on Obama and our health

 

Dr. Goebel,

 

Bravo. These evil nazi's must be stopped!

 

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Michael Goebel

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Tuesday, August 04, 2009 9:35 AM

Re: OK, time for a rant on Obama and our health

 

 

 

 

Thank you for your RANT. God bless you! Now would about 100 million citizens scream the rant also! We need to hang the traitors and thieves.Dr. Goebel--- On Tue, 8/4/09, Tony > wrote:

Tony > OK, time for a rant on Obama and our healtholeander soupTuesday, August 4, 2009, 9:13 AM

 

I usually try to keep politics out of this group - but since the abomination of the bill that is being called Obamacare and agriculture regulations that favor Big Pharma and Big Food are being rammed down our throats to the detriment of our health whether we like it or not, and those regulations have come largely from people Obama has appointed to office, I do have some things to say.

First of all, Obama is no spiritual beingl. That is all smoke and mirrors and deception, the same as the rest of Obama and the same as his completely inexcusable refusal to reveal his original birth certificate or release his college records. Far from any savior or "being of light" as one person recently described him on another forum, he is merely a new face on the latest in a very long string of puppets that have served anything but the interests of the common citizens. Being of light? I am not sure that any beings of light have ever come out of the corrupt Chicago political organization. But perhaps he is a being of light in some respects - such as light on experience, light on integrity, light on truth, and light on his feet as he tap dances around in front of the cameras pretending to be our savior when he is is nothing more than the

latest tool of the new world order elite to further their agenda.

Like W. E. B. Griffith and others have tried to tell us, the two party system of Republican and Democrat is an engineered box we have been trapped into. It is just an illusion - smoke and mirrors and word games - that we have been trapped into. They have rigged the game so that it is virtually impossible for any other party or and independent candidate to have a chance, and further insured control of elections with easily manipulated Diebold voting machines (did you know that the people who run that company are ex-felons, btw?). At the top, both parties have the same masters and the same agenda- they simply approach it from different angles. And you can take this to the funny-money bank: no-one gets elected at the top of the ticket that has not been vetted and pre-approved by the Bilderburgs.

If the poor dumbed down, reality show watching, filterd news consuming sheeple were not so blind, that should have been imminently apparent during Bush's last race which featured two Skull and Bones members squared off against one another, and even more apparent when we were tricked into a war of mass deception for the sake of big oil and the Halliburton profiteers as well as Bush's huge expansion of government, his presidential signings that eroded our freedoms, the rushed bail out that did nothing to free up credit or help the financial crisis, and his virtual abandonment of the conservative principles he espoused during his campaign.

In the instance of Obama, it is more of the same, just as it would have been with McCain - except Obama has the pedal all the way to the floor to hasten the New World Order's plans to bring America to her knees and eliminate their greatest obstacle to a one-world government by the elite, of the elite and for the elite. I will point out that no administration has ever had the number of Council of Foreign Relations, Trilateral Commission, and Bilderburg members as Obama's. His choice for Healthcare was a Merck insider and, though he had to withdraw in scandal due to failure to pay taxes, the Obamacare bill has his signature all over it. Most of you will recognize Merck as the company that brought us Vioxx and, along with their lackeys in the FDA, fought to keep it on the market until over 60,000 deaths (more than the entire Vietnam War) were attributed to it. And then there is

Avandia, Fosamax and the horrendous Gardasil vaccine jabs they bribed government officials to endorse and even make mandatory for our young school girls.

Obama's choice to head up Agriculture is a Monsanto insider, and those of us who are aware of what is going on in the world recognize Monsanto as the most evil of all the giant Agri-biz companies (think GMO, antibiotics in meat and roundup ready food crops, along with a plan to control all of our seeds).

Likewise, the people Obama has chosen to run the financial aspects of our government are Wallstreet insiders and some of the very same people who were in charge of the banks we had to bail out.

Now, returning once again to the health issues, here is the capper (thus far anyway):

The person who may be responsible for more food-related illness and death than anyone in history has just been made the US food safety czar. This is no joke.Here's the back story.When FDA scientists were asked to weigh in on what was to become the most radical and potentially dangerous change in our food supply -- the introduction of genetically modified (GM) foods -- secret documents now reveal that the experts were very concerned. Memo after memo described toxins, new diseases, nutritional deficiencies, and hard-to-detect allergens. They were adamant that the technology carried "serious health hazards," and required careful, long-term research, including human studies, before any genetically modified organisms (GMOs) could be safely released into the food supply.But the biotech industry had rigged the game so that neither Science nor scientists would stand in their way. They had placed their own man in charge of FDA policy and he wasn't going to be swayed by feeble arguments related to food safety. No, he was going to do what corporations had done for decades to get past these types of pesky concerns. He was going to lie.Dangerous Food Safety LiesWhen the FDA was constructing their GMO policy in 1991-2, their scientists were clear that gene-sliced foods were significantly different and could lead to "different risks" than conventional

foods. But official policy declared the opposite, claiming that the FDA knew nothing of significant differences, and declared GMOs substantially equivalent.This fiction became the rationale for allowing GM foods on the market without any required safety studies whatsoever! The determination of whether GM foods were safe to eat was placed entirely in the hands of the companies that made them -- companies like Monsanto, which told us that the PCBs, DDT, and Agent Orange were safe.GMOs were rushed onto our plates in 1996. Over the next nine years, multiple chronic illnesses in the US nearly doubled -- from 7% to 13%. Allergy-related emergency room visits doubled between 1997 and 2002 while food allergies, especially

among children, skyrocketed. We also witnessed a dramatic rise in asthma, autism, obesity, diabetes, digestive disorders, and certain cancers.In January of this year, Dr. P. M. Bhargava, one of the world's top biologists, told me that after reviewing 600 scientific journals, he concluded that the GM foods in the US are largely responsible for the increase in many serious diseases.In May, the American Academy of Environmental Medicine concluded that animal studies have demonstrated a causal relationship between GM foods and infertility, accelerated aging, dysfunctional insulin regulation, changes in major organs and the gastrointestinal system, and immune problems such as asthma, allergies, and inflammationIn July, a report by eight international experts determined that the flimsy and superficial evaluations of GMOs by both regulators and GM companies "systematically overlook the side effects" and significantly underestimate "the

initial signs of diseases like cancer and diseases of the hormonal, immune, nervous and reproductive systems, among others."The Fox Guarding the ChickensIf GMOs are indeed responsible for massive sickness and death, then the individual who oversaw the FDA policy that facilitated their introduction holds a uniquely infamous role in human history. That person is Michael Taylor. He had been Monsanto's attorney before becoming policy chief at the FDA. Soon after, he became Monsanto's vice president and chief lobbyist.This month Michael Taylor became the senior advisor to the commissioner of the FDA. He is now America's food safety czar. What have we done?The Milk Man ComethWhile Taylor was at the FDA in the early 90's, he also oversaw the policy regarding Monsanto's genetically engineered bovine growth hormone (rbGH/rbST) -- injected into cows to increase milk supply.The milk from injected cows has more pus,

more antibiotics, more bovine growth hormone, and most importantly, more insulin-like growth factor 1 (IGF-1). IGF-1 is a huge risk factor for common cancers and its high levels in this drugged milk is why so many medical organizations and hospitals have taken stands against rbGH. A former Monsanto scientist told me that when three of his Monsanto colleagues evaluated rbGH safety and discovered the elevated IGF-1 levels, even they refused to drink any more milk -- unless it was organic and therefore untreated.Government scientists from Canada evaluated the FDA's approval of rbGH and concluded that it was a dangerous facade. The drug was banned in Canada, as well as Europe, Japan, Australia and New Zealand. But it was approved in the US while Michael Taylor was in charge. His drugged milk might have caused a significant rise in US cancer rates. Additional published evidence also implicates rbGH in the high rate of fraternal twins in the

US.Taylor also determined that milk from injected cows did not require any special labeling. And as a gift to his future employer Monsanto, he wrote a white paper suggesting that if companies ever had the audacity to label their products as not using rbGH, they should also include a disclaimer stating that according to the FDA, there is no difference between milk from treated and untreated cows.Taylor's disclaimer was also a lie. Monsanto's own studies and FDA scientists officially acknowledged differences in the drugged milk. No matter. Monsanto used Taylor's white paper as the basis to successfully sue dairies that labeled their products as rbGH-free.Will Monsanto's Wolff Also Guard the Chickens?As consumers learned that rbGH was dangerous, they refused to buy the milk. To keep their customers, a tidal wave of companies has publicly committed to not use the drug and to label their products as such. Monsanto tried

unsuccessfully to convince the FDA and FTC to make it illegal for dairies to make rbGH-free claims, so they went to their special friend in Pennsylvania -- Dennis Wolff. As state secretary of agriculture, Wolff unilaterally declared that labeling products rbGH-free was illegal, and that all such labels must be removed from shelves statewide. This would, of course, eliminate the label from all national brands, as they couldn't afford to create separate packaging for just one state.Fortunately, consumer demand forced Pennsylvania' s Governor Ed Rendell to step in and stop Wolff's madness. But Rendell allowed Wolff to take a compromised position that now requires rbGH-free claims to also be accompanied by Taylor's FDA disclaimer on the package.President Obama is considering Dennis Wolff for the top food safety post at the USDA. Yikes!Rumor has it that the reason why Pennsylvania' s governor is supporting Wolff's appointment is to

get him out of the state -- after he "screwed up so badly" with the rbGH decision. Oh great, governor. Thanks.Ohio Governor Gets Taylor-itusOhio not only followed Pennsylvania' s lead by requiring Taylor's FDA disclaimer on packaging, they went a step further. They declared that dairies must place that disclaimer on the same panel where rbGH-free claims are made, and even dictated the font size. This would force national brands to re-design their labels and may ultimately dissuade them from making rbGH-free claims at all. The Organic Trade Association and the International Dairy Foods Association filed a lawsuit against Ohio. Although they lost the first court battle, upon appeal, the judge ordered a mediation session that takes place today. Thousands of Ohio citizens have flooded Governor Strickland's office with urgent requests to withdraw the states anti-consumer labeling requirements.Perhaps the governor has an ulterior

motive for pushing his new rules. If he goes ahead with his labeling plans, he might end up with a top appointment in the Obama administration.

The truth is ugly sometimes, but knowing it may set you free. Once upon a time I was quite the liberal Democrat, and I am certainly no Republican today. But neither am I blind as I once was and I am very much involved in the efforts to insure health freedom and to restore liberty and freedom to the sovereign citizens of the sovereign states of the federal republic of the United States of America.

OK, off my soapbox. This is not an invitation to begin a political debate, as that will detract from the main purpose of this group - beating and avoiding cancer and living longer, healthier and happier lives. But it had to be said.

oleander soup, rleeh2001@.. . wrote:>> Can't you people see behind the seen, Obama is doing just exactly what he > need to do, you people need to look deeper than the surface to see what is > really going on.> This is not business as usual, that ended with George Bush, this is a > completely different chapter. > Obama is a Spiritual person, with intentions and a soul contract to bring > Heaven to Earth, the Golden Age,. . . (pardon me while I barf - Tony)

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LOL! OK. Let's take this to it's logical conclusion The level of violent rhetoric on the list is getting uncomfortable. Words have weight. Please consider this. MikeThere are unauthorized thoughts in this thread! What if people start thinking? What if they check out what was said for themselves? How could they be controlled then? Feelings can't be controlled either. Stop having feelings. They're unauthorized too. Your attitude has been noted you know! Oh yes. It has been noted. You should stop saying "kill". Say "depopulate". Stop attacking innocent people who want to depopulate you. Defending yourself is violent. So, you see, your disagreements are violent rhetoric. Your not agreeing with people trying to take your countries wealth and depopulate you is getting uncomfortable for some people! Words have weight. Stop saying weighty words! Before you post again, see to it that you weigh each word and report the gross weight to the word commissar. Your problems may actually be medical. We are unable to help you with your medical problems. But we will provide you and your doctor with unlimited funds for assisted suicide. It will be a necessary and beautiful thing (for those running off with your nations money). You may need to be restrained for your voluntary suicide. Your quality of life will be much better after the procedure! Welcome to obama care! PS: Hip Hip Hooray! BAD! No! Sit! Stay! OBEY! OBEY! OBEY! oleander soup , Mike Golden <goldenmike86 wrote:>> The level of violent rhetoric on the list is getting uncomfortable. Words have weight. Please consider this.> > Mike> > > > >

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Michael Goebel

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Re: OK, time for a rant on Obama and our health

 

 

 

 

Thank you for your RANT. God bless you! Now would about 100 million citizens scream the rant also! We need to hang the traitors and thieves.Dr. Goebel--- On Tue, 8/4/09, Tony > wrote:

Tony > OK, time for a rant on Obama and our healtholeander soupTuesday, August 4, 2009, 9:13 AM

I usually try to

keep politics out of this group - but since the abomination of the bill

that is being called Obamacare and agriculture regulations that favor

Big Pharma and Big Food are being rammed down our throats to the

detriment of our health whether we like it or not, and those

regulations have come largely from people Obama has appointed to

office, I do have some things to say.

First of all,

Obama is no spiritual beingl. That is all smoke and mirrors and

deception, the same as the rest of Obama and the same as his completely

inexcusable refusal to reveal his original birth certificate or release

his college records. Far from any savior or "being of light" as one

person recently described him on another forum, he is merely a new face

on the latest in a very long string of puppets that have served

anything but the interests of the common citizens. Being of light? I

am not sure that any beings of light have ever come out of the corrupt

Chicago political organization. But perhaps he is a being of light in

some respects - such as light on experience, light on integrity, light

on truth, and light on his feet as he tap dances around in front of the

cameras pretending to be our savior when he is is nothing more than the

latest tool of the new world order elite to further their agenda.

Like W. E. B.

Griffith and others have tried to tell us, the two party system of

Republican and Democrat is an engineered box we have been trapped

into. It is just an illusion - smoke and mirrors and word games - that

we have been trapped into. They have rigged the game so that it is

virtually impossible for any other party or and independent candidate

to have a chance, and further insured control of elections with easily

manipulated Diebold voting machines (did you know that the people who

run that company are ex-felons, btw?). At the top, both parties have

the same masters and the same agenda- they simply approach it from

different angles. And you can take this to the funny-money bank:

no-one gets elected at the top of the ticket that has not been vetted

and pre-approved by the Bilderburgs.

If the poor

dumbed down, reality show watching, filterd news consuming sheeple were

not so blind, that should have been imminently apparent during Bush's

last race which featured two Skull and Bones members squared off

against one another, and even more apparent when we were tricked into a

war of mass deception for the sake of big oil and the Halliburton

profiteers as well as Bush's huge expansion of government, his

presidential signings that eroded our freedoms, the rushed bail out

that did nothing to free up credit or help the financial crisis, and

his virtual abandonment of the conservative principles he espoused

during his campaign.

In the instance

of Obama, it is more of the same, just as it would have been with

McCain - except Obama has the pedal all the way to the floor to hasten

the New World Order's plans to bring America to her knees and eliminate

their greatest obstacle to a one-world government by the elite, of the

elite and for the elite. I will point out that no administration has

ever had the number of Council of Foreign Relations, Trilateral

Commission, and Bilderburg members as Obama's. His choice for

Healthcare was a Merck insider and, though he had to withdraw in

scandal due to failure to pay taxes, the Obamacare bill has his

signature all over it. Most of you will recognize Merck as the company

that brought us Vioxx and, along with their lackeys in the FDA, fought

to keep it on the market until over 60,000 deaths (more than the entire

Vietnam War) were attributed to it. And then there is

Avandia, Fosamax and the horrendous Gardasil vaccine jabs they bribed

government officials to endorse and even make mandatory for our young

school girls.

Obama's choice

to head up Agriculture is a Monsanto insider, and those of us who are

aware of what is going on in the world recognize Monsanto as the most

evil of all the giant Agri-biz companies (think GMO, antibiotics in

meat and roundup ready food crops, along with a plan to control all of

our seeds).

Likewise, the

people Obama has chosen to run the financial aspects of our government

are Wallstreet insiders and some of the very same people who were in

charge of the banks we had to bail out.

Now, returning once again to the health issues, here is the capper (thus far anyway):

The person who

may be responsible for more food-related illness and death than anyone

in history has just been made the US food safety czar. This is no joke.Here's the back story.When

FDA scientists were asked to weigh in on what was to become the most

radical and potentially dangerous change in our food supply -- the

introduction of genetically modified (GM) foods -- secret documents now

reveal that the experts were very concerned. Memo after memo described

toxins, new diseases, nutritional deficiencies, and hard-to-detect

allergens. They were adamant that the technology carried "serious

health hazards," and required careful, long-term research, including

human studies, before any genetically modified organisms (GMOs) could

be safely released into the food supply.But the biotech industry had rigged the game so that neither Science

nor scientists would stand in their way. They had placed their own man

in charge of FDA policy and he wasn't going to be swayed by feeble

arguments related to food safety. No, he was going to do what

corporations had done for decades to get past these types of pesky

concerns. He was going to lie.Dangerous Food Safety LiesWhen the FDA was constructing their GMO

policy in 1991-2, their scientists were clear that gene-sliced foods

were significantly different and could lead to "different risks" than

conventional

foods. But official policy declared the opposite, claiming that the FDA

knew nothing of significant differences, and declared GMOs

substantially equivalent.This fiction became the rationale for allowing GM

foods on the market without any required safety studies whatsoever! The

determination of whether GM foods were safe to eat was placed entirely

in the hands of the companies that made them -- companies like

Monsanto, which told us that the PCBs, DDT, and Agent Orange were safe.GMOs

were rushed onto our plates in 1996. Over the next nine years, multiple

chronic illnesses in the US nearly doubled -- from 7% to 13%.

Allergy-related emergency room visits doubled between 1997 and 2002

while food allergies, especially

among children, skyrocketed. We also witnessed a dramatic rise in

asthma, autism, obesity, diabetes, digestive disorders, and certain

cancers.In

January of this year, Dr. P. M. Bhargava, one of the world's top

biologists, told me that after reviewing 600 scientific journals, he

concluded that the GM foods in the US are largely responsible for the

increase in many serious diseases.In May, the American Academy

of Environmental Medicine concluded that animal studies have

demonstrated a causal relationship between GM foods and infertility,

accelerated aging, dysfunctional insulin regulation, changes in major

organs and the gastrointestinal system, and immune problems such as

asthma, allergies, and inflammationIn July, a report by eight

international experts determined that the flimsy and superficial

evaluations of GMOs by both regulators and GM companies "systematically

overlook the side effects" and significantly underestimate "the

initial signs of diseases like cancer and diseases of the hormonal,

immune, nervous and reproductive systems, among others."The Fox Guarding the ChickensIf

GMOs are indeed responsible for massive sickness and death, then the

individual who oversaw the FDA policy that facilitated their

introduction holds a uniquely infamous role in human history. That

person is Michael Taylor. He had been Monsanto's attorney before

becoming policy chief at the FDA. Soon after, he became Monsanto's vice

president and chief lobbyist.This month Michael Taylor became

the senior advisor to the commissioner of the FDA. He is now America's

food safety czar. What have we done?The Milk Man ComethWhile

Taylor was at the FDA in the early 90's, he also oversaw the policy

regarding Monsanto's genetically engineered bovine growth hormone

(rbGH/rbST) -- injected into cows to increase milk supply.The

milk from injected cows has more pus,

more antibiotics, more bovine growth hormone, and most importantly,

more insulin-like growth factor 1 (IGF-1). IGF-1 is a huge risk factor

for common cancers and its high levels in this drugged milk is why so

many medical organizations and hospitals have taken stands against

rbGH. A former Monsanto scientist told me that when three of his

Monsanto colleagues evaluated rbGH safety and discovered the elevated

IGF-1 levels, even they refused to drink any more milk -- unless it was

organic and therefore untreated.Government

scientists from Canada evaluated the FDA's approval of rbGH and

concluded that it was a dangerous facade. The drug was banned in

Canada, as well as Europe, Japan, Australia and New Zealand. But it was

approved in the US while Michael Taylor was in charge. His drugged milk

might have caused a significant rise in US cancer rates. Additional

published evidence also implicates rbGH in the high rate of fraternal

twins in the

US.Taylor also determined that milk from injected cows did not

require any special labeling. And as a gift to his future employer

Monsanto, he wrote a white paper suggesting that if companies ever had

the audacity to label their products as not using rbGH, they should

also include a disclaimer stating that according to the FDA, there is

no difference between milk from treated and untreated cows.Taylor's

disclaimer was also a lie. Monsanto's own studies and FDA scientists

officially acknowledged differences in the drugged milk. No matter.

Monsanto used Taylor's white paper as the basis to successfully sue

dairies that labeled their products as rbGH-free.Will Monsanto's Wolff Also Guard the Chickens?As

consumers learned that rbGH was dangerous, they refused to buy the

milk. To keep their customers, a tidal wave of companies has publicly

committed to not use the drug and to label their products as such.

Monsanto tried

unsuccessfully to convince the FDA and FTC to make it illegal for

dairies to make rbGH-free claims, so they went to their special friend

in Pennsylvania -- Dennis Wolff. As state secretary of agriculture,

Wolff unilaterally declared that labeling products rbGH-free was

illegal, and that all such labels must be removed from shelves

statewide. This would, of course, eliminate the label from all national

brands, as they couldn't afford to create separate packaging for just

one state.Fortunately,

consumer demand forced Pennsylvania' s Governor Ed Rendell to step in

and stop Wolff's madness. But Rendell allowed Wolff to take a

compromised position that now requires rbGH-free claims to also be

accompanied by Taylor's FDA disclaimer on the package.President Obama is considering Dennis Wolff for the top food safety post at the USDA. Yikes!Rumor has it that the reason why Pennsylvania' s governor is supporting Wolff's appointment is to

get him out of the state -- after he "screwed up so badly" with the rbGH decision. Oh great, governor. Thanks.Ohio Governor Gets Taylor-itusOhio

not only followed Pennsylvania' s lead by requiring Taylor's FDA

disclaimer on packaging, they went a step further. They declared that

dairies must place that disclaimer on the same panel where rbGH-free

claims are made, and even dictated the font size. This would force

national brands to re-design their labels and may ultimately dissuade

them from making rbGH-free claims at all. The Organic Trade Association

and the International Dairy Foods Association filed a lawsuit against

Ohio. Although they lost the first court battle, upon appeal, the judge

ordered a mediation session that takes place today. Thousands of Ohio

citizens have flooded Governor Strickland's office with urgent requests

to withdraw the states anti-consumer labeling requirements.Perhaps

the governor has an ulterior

motive for pushing his new rules. If he goes ahead with his labeling

plans, he might end up with a top appointment in the Obama

administration.

The truth is

ugly sometimes, but knowing it may set you free. Once upon a time I

was quite the liberal Democrat, and I am certainly no Republican

today. But neither am I blind as I once was and I am very much

involved in the efforts to insure health freedom and to restore liberty

and freedom to the sovereign citizens of the sovereign states of the

federal republic of the United States of America.

OK, off my

soapbox. This is not an invitation to begin a political debate, as

that will detract from the main purpose of this group - beating and

avoiding cancer and living longer, healthier and happier lives. But it

had to be said.

oleander soup, rleeh2001@.. . wrote:>> Can't you people see behind the seen, Obama is doing just exactly what he > need to do, you people need to look deeper than the surface to see what is > really going on.> This is not business as usual, that ended with George Bush, this is a > completely different chapter. > Obama is a Spiritual person, with intentions and a soul contract to bring > Heaven to Earth, the Golden Age,. . . (pardon me while I barf - Tony)

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Re: Speaking opinion is one thing. Talking about hanging people is quite a different story.MikeOh yes. I hadn't noticed skimming through this post that someone had said that. That's quite true. Lets not be talking about killing people that want to kill us. Seriously. It would be unwise. I wouldn't want to be blamed for their next self inflicted wound. Which they would use to take away our rights, and start more ignorant wars for profit. Let's let the violent initiate the violence. And not do or say anything stupid right now. I don't agree with initiating the violence. And I don't associate with anyone who does, or who starts mumbling about it. It would only help their lunatic eugenic agenda. Unfortunately, Mike, there is nothing in this post I can laugh at. Please stop making me be serious. It makes my brain hurt. Keitholeander soup , Mike Golden <goldenmike86 wrote:>> Speaking opinion is one thing. Talking about hanging people is quite a different story.> > Mike> > > > > ________________________________> Bob Banever bbanever oleander soup > Friday, August 7, 2009 7:19:09 AM> Re: OK, time for a rant on Obama and our health> > > Mike,> > I'm simply speaking truth to power. When corporations and/or individuals threaten our very existence, our very lives, then it's imperative on us as patriots, as Americans, to change things. Tyranny has no place in America or anywhere for that matter.> > Bob> - > >Mike Golden > >oleander soup > >Thursday, August 06, 2009 4:20 PM> >Re: OK, time for a rant on Obama and our health> >> >> >The level of violent rhetoric on the list is getting uncomfortable. Words have weight. Please consider this.> >> >Mike> >> >> >> >> ________________________________> Bob Banever bbanever (AT) earthlink (DOT) net>> >oleander soup> >Wednesday, August 5, 2009 10:30:43 PM> >Re: OK, time for a rant on Obama and our health> >> > > >Dr. Goebel,> > > > Bravo. These evil nazi's must be stopped!> >- > >>Michael Goebel > >>oleander soup > >>Tuesday, August 04, 2009 9:35 AM> >>Re: OK, time for a rant on Obama and our health> >>> >>> >>Thank you for your RANT. God bless you! > >>> >>Now would about 100 million citizens scream the rant also! We need to hang the traitors and thieves.> >>> >>Dr. Goebel> >>> >>--- On Tue, 8/4/09, Tony > wrote:> >>> >>> >>>Tony >> >>> OK, time for a rant on Obama and our health> >>>oleander soup> >>>Tuesday, August 4, 2009, 9:13 AM> >>>> >>>> >>> > >>>I usually try to keep politics out of this group - but since the abomination of the bill that is being called Obamacare and agriculture regulations that favor Big Pharma and Big Food are being rammed down our throats to the detriment of our health whether we like it or not, and those regulations have come largely from people Obama has appointed to office, I do have some things to say.> >>>First of all, Obama is no spiritual beingl. That is all smoke and mirrors and deception, the same as the rest of Obama and the same as his completely inexcusable refusal to reveal his original birth certificate or release his college records. Far from any savior or "being of light" as one person recently described him on another forum, he is merely a new face on the latest in a very long string of puppets that have served anything but the interests of the common citizens. Being of light? I am not sure that any beings of light have ever come out of the corrupt Chicago political organization. But perhaps he is a being of light in some respects - such as light on experience, light on integrity, light on truth, and light on his feet as he tap dances around in front of the cameras pretending to be our savior when he is is nothing more than the latest tool of the new world order elite to further their agenda.> >>>Like W. E. B. Griffith and others have tried to tell us, the two party system of Republican and Democrat is an engineered box we have been trapped into. It is just an illusion - smoke and mirrors and word games - that we have been trapped into. They have rigged the game so that it is virtually impossible for any other party or and independent candidate to have a chance, and further insured control of elections with easily manipulated Diebold voting machines (did you know that the people who run that company are ex-felons, btw?). At the top, both parties have the same masters and the same agenda- they simply approach it from different angles. And you can take this to the funny-money bank: no-one gets elected at the top of the ticket that has not been vetted and pre-approved by the Bilderburgs.> >>>If the poor dumbed down, reality show watching, filterd news consuming sheeple were not so blind, that should have been imminently apparent during Bush's last race which featured two Skull and Bones members squared off against one another, and even more apparent when we were tricked into a war of mass deception for the sake of big oil and the Halliburton profiteers as well as Bush's huge expansion of government, his presidential signings that eroded our freedoms, the rushed bail out that did nothing to free up credit or help the financial crisis, and his virtual abandonment of the conservative principles he espoused during his campaign.> >>>In the instance of Obama, it is more of the same, just as it would have been with McCain - except Obama has the pedal all the way to the floor to hasten the New World Order's plans to bring America to her knees and eliminate their greatest obstacle to a one-world government by the elite, of the elite and for the elite. I will point out that no administration has ever had the number of Council of Foreign Relations, Trilateral Commission, and Bilderburg members as Obama's. His choice for Healthcare was a Merck insider and, though he had to withdraw in scandal due to failure to pay taxes, the Obamacare bill has his signature all over it. Most of you will recognize Merck as the company that brought us Vioxx and, along with their lackeys in the FDA, fought to keep it on the market until over 60,000 deaths (more than the entire Vietnam War) were attributed to it. And then there is Avandia, Fosamax and the horrendous Gardasil vaccine jabs they> bribed government officials to endorse and even make mandatory for our young school girls.> >>>Obama's choice to head up Agriculture is a Monsanto insider, and those of us who are aware of what is going on in the world recognize Monsanto as the most evil of all the giant Agri-biz companies (think GMO, antibiotics in meat and roundup ready food crops, along with a plan to control all of our seeds).> >>>Likewise, the people Obama has chosen to run the financial aspects of our government are Wallstreet insiders and some of the very same people who were in charge of the banks we had to bail out.> >>>Now, returning once again to the health issues, here is the capper (thus far anyway): > >>>The person who may be responsible for more food-related illness and death than anyone in history has just been made the US food safety czar. This is no joke.> >>>> >>>Here's the back story.> >>>> >>>When FDA scientists were asked to weigh in on what was to become the most radical and potentially dangerous change in our food supply -- the introduction of genetically modified (GM) foods -- secret documents now reveal that the experts were very concerned. Memo after memo described toxins, new diseases, nutritional deficiencies, and hard-to-detect allergens. They were adamant that the technology carried "serious health hazards," and required careful, long-term research, including human studies, before any genetically modified organisms (GMOs) could be safely released into the food supply.> >>>> >>>But the biotech industry had rigged the game so that neither Sciencenor scientists would stand in their way. They had placed their own man in charge of FDA policy and he wasn't going to be swayed by feeble arguments related to food safety. No, he was going to do what corporations had done for decades to get past these types of pesky concerns. He was going to lie.> >>>> >>>Dangerous Food Safety Lies> >>>> >>>When the FDA was constructing their GMOpolicy in 1991-2, their scientists were clear that gene-sliced foods were significantly different and could lead to "different risks" than conventional foods. But official policy declared the opposite, claiming that the FDA knew nothing of significant differences, and declared GMOs substantially equivalent.> >>>> >>>This fiction became the rationale for allowing GMfoods on the market without any required safety studies whatsoever! The determination of whether GM foods were safe to eat was placed entirely in the hands of the companies that made them -- companies like Monsanto, which told us that the PCBs, DDT, and Agent Orange were safe.> >>>> >>>GMOs were rushed onto our plates in 1996. Over the next nine years, multiple chronic illnesses in the US nearly doubled -- from 7% to 13%. Allergy-related emergency room visits doubled between 1997 and 2002 while food allergies, especially among children, skyrocketed. We also witnessed a dramatic rise in asthma, autism, obesity, diabetes, digestive disorders, and certain cancers.> >>>> >>>In January of this year, Dr. P. M. Bhargava, one of the world's top biologists, told me that after reviewing 600 scientific journals, he concluded that the GM foods in the US are largely responsible for the increase in many serious diseases.> >>>> >>>In May, the American Academy of Environmental Medicine concluded that animal studies have demonstrated a causal relationship between GM foods and infertility, accelerated aging, dysfunctional insulin regulation, changes in major organs and the gastrointestinal system, and immune problems such as asthma, allergies, and inflammation> >>>> >>>In July, a report by eight international experts determined that the flimsy and superficial evaluations of GMOs by both regulators and GM companies "systematically overlook the side effects" and significantly underestimate "the initial signs of diseases like cancer and diseases of the hormonal, immune, nervous and reproductive systems, among others."> >>>> >>>The Fox Guarding the Chickens> >>>> >>>If GMOs are indeed responsible for massive sickness and death, then the individual who oversaw the FDA policy that facilitated their introduction holds a uniquely infamous role in human history. That person is Michael Taylor. He had been Monsanto's attorney before becoming policy chief at the FDA. Soon after, he became Monsanto's vice president and chief lobbyist.> >>>> >>>This month Michael Taylor became the senior advisor to the commissioner of the FDA. He is now America's food safety czar. What have we done?> >>>> >>>The Milk Man Cometh> >>>> >>>While Taylor was at the FDA in the early 90's, he also oversaw the policy regarding Monsanto's genetically engineered bovine growth hormone (rbGH/rbST) -- injected into cows to increase milk supply.> >>>> >>>The milk from injected cows has more pus, more antibiotics, more bovine growth hormone, and most importantly, more insulin-like growth factor 1 (IGF-1). IGF-1 is a huge risk factor for common cancers and its high levels in this drugged milk is why so many medical organizations and hospitals have taken stands against rbGH. A former Monsanto scientist told me that when three of his Monsanto colleagues evaluated rbGH safety and discovered the elevated IGF-1 levels, even they refused to drink any more milk -- unless it was organic and therefore untreated.> >>>> >>>Government scientists from Canada evaluated the FDA's approval of rbGH and concluded that it was a dangerous facade. The drug was banned in Canada, as well as Europe, Japan, Australia and New Zealand. But it was approved in the US while Michael Taylor was in charge. His drugged milk might have caused a significant rise in US cancer rates. Additional published evidence also implicates rbGH in the high rate of fraternal twins in the US.> >>>> >>>Taylor also determined that milk from injected cows did not require any special labeling. And as a gift to his future employer Monsanto, he wrote a white paper suggesting that if companies ever had the audacity to label their products as not using rbGH, they should also include a disclaimer stating that according to the FDA, there is no difference between milk from treated and untreated cows.> >>>> >>>Taylor's disclaimer was also a lie. Monsanto's own studies and FDA scientists officially acknowledged differences in the drugged milk. No matter. Monsanto used Taylor's white paper as the basis to successfully sue dairies that labeled their products as rbGH-free.> >>>> >>>Will Monsanto's Wolff Also Guard the Chickens?> >>>> >>>As consumers learned that rbGH was dangerous, they refused to buy the milk. To keep their customers, a tidal wave of companies has publicly committed to not use the drug and to label their products as such. Monsanto tried unsuccessfully to convince the FDA and FTC to make it illegal for dairies to make rbGH-free claims, so they went to their special friend in Pennsylvania -- Dennis Wolff. As state secretary of agriculture, Wolff unilaterally declared that labeling products rbGH-free was illegal, and that all such labels must be removed from shelves statewide. This would, of course, eliminate the label from all national brands, as they couldn't afford to create separate packaging for just one state.> >>>> >>>Fortunately, consumer demand forced Pennsylvania' s Governor Ed Rendell to step in and stop Wolff's madness. But Rendell allowed Wolff to take a compromised position that now requires rbGH-free claims to also be accompanied by Taylor's FDA disclaimer on the package.> >>>> >>>President Obama is considering Dennis Wolff for the top food safety post at the USDA. Yikes!> >>>> >>>Rumor has it that the reason why Pennsylvania' s governor is supporting Wolff's appointment is to get him out of the state -- after he "screwed up so badly" with the rbGH decision. Oh great, governor. Thanks.> >>>> >>>Ohio Governor Gets Taylor-itus> >>>> >>>Ohio not only followed Pennsylvania' s lead by requiring Taylor's FDA disclaimer on packaging, they went a step further. They declared that dairies must place that disclaimer on the same panel where rbGH-free claims are made, and even dictated the font size. This would force national brands to re-design their labels and may ultimately dissuade them from making rbGH-free claims at all. The Organic Trade Association and the International Dairy Foods Association filed a lawsuit against Ohio. Although they lost the first court battle, upon appeal, the judge ordered a mediation session that takes place today. Thousands of Ohio citizens have flooded Governor Strickland's office with urgent requests to withdraw the states anti-consumer labeling requirements.> >>>> >>>Perhaps the governor has an ulterior motive for pushing his new rules. If he goes ahead with his labeling plans, he might end up with a top appointment in the Obama administration.> >>>The truth is ugly sometimes, but knowing it may set you free. Once upon a time I was quite the liberal Democrat, and I am certainly no Republican today. But neither am I blind as I once was and I am very much involved in the efforts to insure health freedom and to restore liberty and freedom to the sovereign citizens of the sovereign states of the federal republic of the United States of America.> >>>OK, off my soapbox. This is not an invitation to begin a political debate, as that will detract from the main purpose of this group - beating and avoiding cancer and living longer, healthier and happier lives. But it had to be said.> >>>Tony> >>>> >>>oleander soup, rleeh2001@ . wrote:> >>>>> >>>> Can't you people see behind the seen, Obama is doing just exactly what he > >>>> need to do, you people need to look deeper than the surface to see what is > >>>> really going on.> >>>> This is not business as usual, that ended with George Bush, this is a > >>>> completely different chapter. > >>>> Obama is a Spiritual person, with intentions and a soul contract to bring > >>>> Heaven to Earth, the Golden Age,. . . (pardon me while I barf - Tony) > >>> >>

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Re: Speaking opinion is one thing. Talking about hanging people is quite a different story.MikeOh yes. I hadn't noticed skimming through this post that someone had said that. That's quite true. Lets not be talking about killing people that want to kill us. Seriously. It would be unwise. I wouldn't want to be blamed for their next self inflicted wound. Which they would use to take away our rights, and start more ignorant wars for profit. Let's let the violent initiate the violence. And not do or say

anything stupid right now. I don't agree with initiating the violence. And I don't associate with anyone who does, or who starts mumbling about it. It would only help their lunatic eugenic agenda. Unfortunately, Mike, there is nothing in this post I can laugh at. Please stop making me be serious. It makes my brain hurt. Keitholeander soup, Mike Golden <goldenmike86@ ...> wrote:>> Speaking opinion is one thing. Talking about hanging people is quite a different story.> > Mike> > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __> Bob Banever bbanever oleander soup> Friday, August 7, 2009 7:19:09 AM> Re:

OK, time for a rant on Obama and our health> > > Mike,> > I'm simply speaking truth to power. When corporations and/or individuals threaten our very existence, our very lives, then it's imperative on us as patriots, as Americans, to change things. Tyranny has no place in America or anywhere for that matter.> > Bob> - > >Mike Golden > >oleander soup > >Thursday, August 06, 2009 4:20 PM> >Re: OK, time for a rant on Obama and our health> >> >> >The level of violent rhetoric on the list is getting uncomfortable. Words have weight. Please consider this.> >> >Mike> >> >> >> >>

____________ _________ _________ __> Bob Banever bbanever (AT) earthlink (DOT) net>> >oleander soup> >Wednesday, August 5, 2009 10:30:43 PM> >Re: OK, time for a rant on Obama and our health> >> > > >Dr. Goebel,> > > > Bravo. These evil nazi's must be stopped!> >- > >>Michael Goebel > >>oleander soup > >>Tuesday, August 04, 2009 9:35 AM> >>Re: OK, time for a rant on Obama and our health> >>> >>> >>Thank you for your RANT. God bless you! > >>> >>Now would about 100 million citizens scream the rant also! We need to hang the traitors and

thieves.> >>> >>Dr. Goebel> >>> >>--- On Tue, 8/4/09, Tony > wrote:> >>> >>> >>>Tony >> >>> OK, time for a rant on Obama and our health> >>>oleander soup> >>>Tuesday, August 4, 2009, 9:13 AM> >>>> >>>> >>> > >>>I usually try to keep politics out of this group - but since the abomination of the bill that is being called Obamacare and agriculture regulations that favor Big Pharma and Big Food are being rammed down our throats to the detriment of our health whether we like it or not, and those regulations have come largely from people Obama has appointed to office, I do have some things to say.> >>>First of all, Obama is

no spiritual beingl. That is all smoke and mirrors and deception, the same as the rest of Obama and the same as his completely inexcusable refusal to reveal his original birth certificate or release his college records. Far from any savior or "being of light" as one person recently described him on another forum, he is merely a new face on the latest in a very long string of puppets that have served anything but the interests of the common citizens. Being of light? I am not sure that any beings of light have ever come out of the corrupt Chicago political organization. But perhaps he is a being of light in some respects - such as light on experience, light on integrity, light on truth, and light on his feet as he tap dances around in front of the cameras pretending to be our savior when he is is nothing more than the latest tool of the new world order elite to further their agenda.>

>>>Like W. E. B. Griffith and others have tried to tell us, the two party system of Republican and Democrat is an engineered box we have been trapped into. It is just an illusion - smoke and mirrors and word games - that we have been trapped into. They have rigged the game so that it is virtually impossible for any other party or and independent candidate to have a chance, and further insured control of elections with easily manipulated Diebold voting machines (did you know that the people who run that company are ex-felons, btw?). At the top, both parties have the same masters and the same agenda- they simply approach it from different angles. And you can take this to the funny-money bank: no-one gets elected at the top of the ticket that has not been vetted and pre-approved by the Bilderburgs.> >>>If the poor dumbed down, reality show watching, filterd news consuming sheeple were

not so blind, that should have been imminently apparent during Bush's last race which featured two Skull and Bones members squared off against one another, and even more apparent when we were tricked into a war of mass deception for the sake of big oil and the Halliburton profiteers as well as Bush's huge expansion of government, his presidential signings that eroded our freedoms, the rushed bail out that did nothing to free up credit or help the financial crisis, and his virtual abandonment of the conservative principles he espoused during his campaign.> >>>In the instance of Obama, it is more of the same, just as it would have been with McCain - except Obama has the pedal all the way to the floor to hasten the New World Order's plans to bring America to her knees and eliminate their greatest obstacle to a one-world government by the elite, of the elite and for the elite. I will point out that no administration has ever had the

number of Council of Foreign Relations, Trilateral Commission, and Bilderburg members as Obama's. His choice for Healthcare was a Merck insider and, though he had to withdraw in scandal due to failure to pay taxes, the Obamacare bill has his signature all over it. Most of you will recognize Merck as the company that brought us Vioxx and, along with their lackeys in the FDA, fought to keep it on the market until over 60,000 deaths (more than the entire Vietnam War) were attributed to it. And then there is Avandia, Fosamax and the horrendous Gardasil vaccine jabs they> bribed government officials to endorse and even make mandatory for our young school girls.> >>>Obama's choice to head up Agriculture is a Monsanto insider, and those of us who are aware of what is going on in the world recognize Monsanto as the most evil of all the giant Agri-biz companies (think GMO, antibiotics in meat and roundup ready food

crops, along with a plan to control all of our seeds).> >>>Likewise, the people Obama has chosen to run the financial aspects of our government are Wallstreet insiders and some of the very same people who were in charge of the banks we had to bail out.> >>>Now, returning once again to the health issues, here is the capper (thus far anyway): > >>>The person who may be responsible for more food-related illness and death than anyone in history has just been made the US food safety czar. This is no joke.> >>>> >>>Here's the back story.> >>>> >>>When FDA scientists were asked to weigh in on what was to become the most radical and potentially dangerous change in our food supply -- the introduction of genetically modified (GM) foods -- secret documents now reveal that the experts were very concerned. Memo after memo described toxins, new

diseases, nutritional deficiencies, and hard-to-detect allergens. They were adamant that the technology carried "serious health hazards," and required careful, long-term research, including human studies, before any genetically modified organisms (GMOs) could be safely released into the food supply.> >>>> >>>But the biotech industry had rigged the game so that neither Sciencenor scientists would stand in their way. They had placed their own man in charge of FDA policy and he wasn't going to be swayed by feeble arguments related to food safety. No, he was going to do what corporations had done for decades to get past these types of pesky concerns. He was going to lie.> >>>> >>>Dangerous Food Safety Lies> >>>> >>>When the FDA was constructing their GMOpolicy in 1991-2, their scientists were clear that gene-sliced foods were significantly different and could

lead to "different risks" than conventional foods. But official policy declared the opposite, claiming that the FDA knew nothing of significant differences, and declared GMOs substantially equivalent.> >>>> >>>This fiction became the rationale for allowing GMfoods on the market without any required safety studies whatsoever! The determination of whether GM foods were safe to eat was placed entirely in the hands of the companies that made them -- companies like Monsanto, which told us that the PCBs, DDT, and Agent Orange were safe.> >>>> >>>GMOs were rushed onto our plates in 1996. Over the next nine years, multiple chronic illnesses in the US nearly doubled -- from 7% to 13%. Allergy-related emergency room visits doubled between 1997 and 2002 while food allergies, especially among children, skyrocketed. We also witnessed a dramatic rise in asthma, autism, obesity, diabetes, digestive

disorders, and certain cancers.> >>>> >>>In January of this year, Dr. P. M. Bhargava, one of the world's top biologists, told me that after reviewing 600 scientific journals, he concluded that the GM foods in the US are largely responsible for the increase in many serious diseases.> >>>> >>>In May, the American Academy of Environmental Medicine concluded that animal studies have demonstrated a causal relationship between GM foods and infertility, accelerated aging, dysfunctional insulin regulation, changes in major organs and the gastrointestinal system, and immune problems such as asthma, allergies, and inflammation> >>>> >>>In July, a report by eight international experts determined that the flimsy and superficial evaluations of GMOs by both regulators and GM companies "systematically overlook the side effects" and significantly underestimate "the initial

signs of diseases like cancer and diseases of the hormonal, immune, nervous and reproductive systems, among others."> >>>> >>>The Fox Guarding the Chickens> >>>> >>>If GMOs are indeed responsible for massive sickness and death, then the individual who oversaw the FDA policy that facilitated their introduction holds a uniquely infamous role in human history. That person is Michael Taylor. He had been Monsanto's attorney before becoming policy chief at the FDA. Soon after, he became Monsanto's vice president and chief lobbyist.> >>>> >>>This month Michael Taylor became the senior advisor to the commissioner of the FDA. He is now America's food safety czar. What have we done?> >>>> >>>The Milk Man Cometh> >>>> >>>While Taylor was at the FDA in the early 90's, he also oversaw the policy regarding

Monsanto's genetically engineered bovine growth hormone (rbGH/rbST) -- injected into cows to increase milk supply.> >>>> >>>The milk from injected cows has more pus, more antibiotics, more bovine growth hormone, and most importantly, more insulin-like growth factor 1 (IGF-1). IGF-1 is a huge risk factor for common cancers and its high levels in this drugged milk is why so many medical organizations and hospitals have taken stands against rbGH. A former Monsanto scientist told me that when three of his Monsanto colleagues evaluated rbGH safety and discovered the elevated IGF-1 levels, even they refused to drink any more milk -- unless it was organic and therefore untreated.> >>>> >>>Government scientists from Canada evaluated the FDA's approval of rbGH and concluded that it was a dangerous facade. The drug was banned in Canada, as well as Europe, Japan, Australia and New Zealand. But it was

approved in the US while Michael Taylor was in charge. His drugged milk might have caused a significant rise in US cancer rates. Additional published evidence also implicates rbGH in the high rate of fraternal twins in the US.> >>>> >>>Taylor also determined that milk from injected cows did not require any special labeling. And as a gift to his future employer Monsanto, he wrote a white paper suggesting that if companies ever had the audacity to label their products as not using rbGH, they should also include a disclaimer stating that according to the FDA, there is no difference between milk from treated and untreated cows.> >>>> >>>Taylor's disclaimer was also a lie. Monsanto's own studies and FDA scientists officially acknowledged differences in the drugged milk. No matter. Monsanto used Taylor's white paper as the basis to successfully sue dairies that labeled their products as

rbGH-free.> >>>> >>>Will Monsanto's Wolff Also Guard the Chickens?> >>>> >>>As consumers learned that rbGH was dangerous, they refused to buy the milk. To keep their customers, a tidal wave of companies has publicly committed to not use the drug and to label their products as such. Monsanto tried unsuccessfully to convince the FDA and FTC to make it illegal for dairies to make rbGH-free claims, so they went to their special friend in Pennsylvania -- Dennis Wolff. As state secretary of agriculture, Wolff unilaterally declared that labeling products rbGH-free was illegal, and that all such labels must be removed from shelves statewide. This would, of course, eliminate the label from all national brands, as they couldn't afford to create separate packaging for just one state.> >>>> >>>Fortunately, consumer demand forced Pennsylvania' s Governor Ed Rendell to

step in and stop Wolff's madness. But Rendell allowed Wolff to take a compromised position that now requires rbGH-free claims to also be accompanied by Taylor's FDA disclaimer on the package.> >>>> >>>President Obama is considering Dennis Wolff for the top food safety post at the USDA. Yikes!> >>>> >>>Rumor has it that the reason why Pennsylvania' s governor is supporting Wolff's appointment is to get him out of the state -- after he "screwed up so badly" with the rbGH decision. Oh great, governor. Thanks.> >>>> >>>Ohio Governor Gets Taylor-itus> >>>> >>>Ohio not only followed Pennsylvania' s lead by requiring Taylor's FDA disclaimer on packaging, they went a step further. They declared that dairies must place that disclaimer on the same panel where rbGH-free claims are made, and even dictated the font size. This would force

national brands to re-design their labels and may ultimately dissuade them from making rbGH-free claims at all. The Organic Trade Association and the International Dairy Foods Association filed a lawsuit against Ohio. Although they lost the first court battle, upon appeal, the judge ordered a mediation session that takes place today. Thousands of Ohio citizens have flooded Governor Strickland's office with urgent requests to withdraw the states anti-consumer labeling requirements.> >>>> >>>Perhaps the governor has an ulterior motive for pushing his new rules. If he goes ahead with his labeling plans, he might end up with a top appointment in the Obama administration.> >>>The truth is ugly sometimes, but knowing it may set you free. Once upon a time I was quite the liberal Democrat, and I am certainly no Republican today. But neither am I blind as I once was and I am very much involved in the

efforts to insure health freedom and to restore liberty and freedom to the sovereign citizens of the sovereign states of the federal republic of the United States of America.> >>>OK, off my soapbox. This is not an invitation to begin a political debate, as that will detract from the main purpose of this group - beating and avoiding cancer and living longer, healthier and happier lives. But it had to be said.> >>>Tony> >>>> >>>oleander soup, rleeh2001@ . wrote:> >>>>> >>>> Can't you people see behind the seen, Obama is doing just exactly what he > >>>> need to do, you people need to look deeper than the surface to see what is > >>>> really going on.> >>>> This is not business as usual, that ended with George Bush, this is a > >>>>

completely different chapter. > >>>> Obama is a Spiritual person, with intentions and a soul contract to bring > >>>> Heaven to Earth, the Golden Age,. . . (pardon me while I barf - Tony) > >>> >>

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Excuse me, but where did I mention anything about hanging people?

 

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Re: OK, time for a rant on Obama and our health

 

 

Speaking opinion is one thing. Talking about hanging people is quite a different story.

 

Mike

 

 

 

Bob Banever <bbaneveroleander soup Sent: Friday, August 7, 2009 7:19:09 AMRe: OK, time for a rant on Obama and our health

 

Mike,

 

I'm simply speaking truth to power. When corporations and/or individuals threaten our very existence, our very lives, then it's imperative on us as patriots, as Americans, to change things. Tyranny has no place in America or anywhere for that matter.

 

Bob

 

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Re: OK, time for a rant on Obama and our health

 

 

The level of violent rhetoric on the list is getting uncomfortable. Words have weight. Please consider this.

 

Mike

 

 

 

Bob Banever <bbanever (AT) earthlink (DOT) net>oleander soupWednesday, August 5, 2009 10:30:43 PMRe: OK, time for a rant on Obama and our health

 

Dr. Goebel,

 

Bravo. These evil nazi's must be stopped!

 

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Thank you for your RANT. God bless you! Now would about 100 million citizens scream the rant also! We need to hang the traitors and thieves.Dr. Goebel--- On Tue, 8/4/09, Tony > wrote:

Tony > OK, time for a rant on Obama and our healtholeander soupTuesday, August 4, 2009, 9:13 AM

 

I usually try to keep politics out of this group - but since the abomination of the bill that is being called Obamacare and agriculture regulations that favor Big Pharma and Big Food are being rammed down our throats to the detriment of our health whether we like it or not, and those regulations have come largely from people Obama has appointed to office, I do have some things to say.

First of all, Obama is no spiritual beingl. That is all smoke and mirrors and deception, the same as the rest of Obama and the same as his completely inexcusable refusal to reveal his original birth certificate or release his college records. Far from any savior or "being of light" as one person recently described him on another forum, he is merely a new face on the latest in a very long string of puppets that have served anything but the interests of the common citizens. Being of light? I am not sure that any beings of light have ever come out of the corrupt Chicago political organization. But perhaps he is a being of light in some respects - such as light on experience, light on integrity, light on truth, and light on his feet as he tap dances around in front of the cameras pretending to be our savior when he is is nothing more than the latest tool of the new world order elite to further their agenda.

Like W. E. B. Griffith and others have tried to tell us, the two party system of Republican and Democrat is an engineered box we have been trapped into. It is just an illusion - smoke and mirrors and word games - that we have been trapped into. They have rigged the game so that it is virtually impossible for any other party or and independent candidate to have a chance, and further insured control of elections with easily manipulated Diebold voting machines (did you know that the people who run that company are ex-felons, btw?). At the top, both parties have the same masters and the same agenda- they simply approach it from different angles. And you can take this to the funny-money bank: no-one gets elected at the top of the ticket that has not been vetted and pre-approved by the Bilderburgs.

If the poor dumbed down, reality show watching, filterd news consuming sheeple were not so blind, that should have been imminently apparent during Bush's last race which featured two Skull and Bones members squared off against one another, and even more apparent when we were tricked into a war of mass deception for the sake of big oil and the Halliburton profiteers as well as Bush's huge expansion of government, his presidential signings that eroded our freedoms, the rushed bail out that did nothing to free up credit or help the financial crisis, and his virtual abandonment of the conservative principles he espoused during his campaign.

In the instance of Obama, it is more of the same, just as it would have been with McCain - except Obama has the pedal all the way to the floor to hasten the New World Order's plans to bring America to her knees and eliminate their greatest obstacle to a one-world government by the elite, of the elite and for the elite. I will point out that no administration has ever had the number of Council of Foreign Relations, Trilateral Commission, and Bilderburg members as Obama's. His choice for Healthcare was a Merck insider and, though he had to withdraw in scandal due to failure to pay taxes, the Obamacare bill has his signature all over it. Most of you will recognize Merck as the company that brought us Vioxx and, along with their lackeys in the FDA, fought to keep it on the market until over 60,000 deaths (more than the entire Vietnam War) were attributed to it. And then there is Avandia, Fosamax and the horrendous Gardasil vaccine jabs they bribed government officials to endorse and even make mandatory for our young school girls.

Obama's choice to head up Agriculture is a Monsanto insider, and those of us who are aware of what is going on in the world recognize Monsanto as the most evil of all the giant Agri-biz companies (think GMO, antibiotics in meat and roundup ready food crops, along with a plan to control all of our seeds).

Likewise, the people Obama has chosen to run the financial aspects of our government are Wallstreet insiders and some of the very same people who were in charge of the banks we had to bail out.

Now, returning once again to the health issues, here is the capper (thus far anyway):

The person who may be responsible for more food-related illness and death than anyone in history has just been made the US food safety czar. This is no joke.Here's the back story.When FDA scientists were asked to weigh in on what was to become the most radical and potentially dangerous change in our food supply -- the introduction of genetically modified (GM) foods -- secret documents now reveal that the experts were very concerned. Memo after memo described toxins, new diseases, nutritional deficiencies, and hard-to-detect allergens. They were adamant that the technology carried "serious health hazards," and required careful, long-term research, including human studies, before any genetically modified organisms (GMOs) could be safely released into the food supply.But the biotech industry had rigged the game so that neither Science nor scientists would stand in their way. They had placed their own man in charge of FDA policy and he wasn't going to be swayed by feeble arguments related to food safety. No, he was going to do what corporations had done for decades to get past these types of pesky concerns. He was going to lie.Dangerous Food Safety LiesWhen the FDA was constructing their GMO policy in 1991-2, their scientists were clear that gene-sliced foods were significantly different and could lead to "different risks" than conventional foods. But official policy declared the opposite, claiming that the FDA knew nothing of significant differences, and declared GMOs substantially equivalent.This fiction became the rationale for allowing GM foods on the market without any required safety studies whatsoever! The determination of whether GM foods were safe to eat was placed entirely in the hands of the companies that made them -- companies like Monsanto, which told us that the PCBs, DDT, and Agent Orange were safe.GMOs were rushed onto our plates in 1996. Over the next nine years, multiple chronic illnesses in the US nearly doubled -- from 7% to 13%. Allergy-related emergency room visits doubled between 1997 and 2002 while food allergies, especially among children, skyrocketed. We also witnessed a dramatic rise in asthma, autism, obesity, diabetes, digestive disorders, and certain cancers.In January of this year, Dr. P. M. Bhargava, one of the world's top biologists, told me that after reviewing 600 scientific journals, he concluded that the GM foods in the US are largely responsible for the increase in many serious diseases.In May, the American Academy of Environmental Medicine concluded that animal studies have demonstrated a causal relationship between GM foods and infertility, accelerated aging, dysfunctional insulin regulation, changes in major organs and the gastrointestinal system, and immune problems such as asthma, allergies, and inflammationIn July, a report by eight international experts determined that the flimsy and superficial evaluations of GMOs by both regulators and GM companies "systematically overlook the side effects" and significantly underestimate "the initial signs of diseases like cancer and diseases of the hormonal, immune, nervous and reproductive systems, among others."The Fox Guarding the ChickensIf GMOs are indeed responsible for massive sickness and death, then the individual who oversaw the FDA policy that facilitated their introduction holds a uniquely infamous role in human history. That person is Michael Taylor. He had been Monsanto's attorney before becoming policy chief at the FDA. Soon after, he became Monsanto's vice president and chief lobbyist.This month Michael Taylor became the senior advisor to the commissioner of the FDA. He is now America's food safety czar. What have we done?The Milk Man ComethWhile Taylor was at the FDA in the early 90's, he also oversaw the policy regarding Monsanto's genetically engineered bovine growth hormone (rbGH/rbST) -- injected into cows to increase milk supply.The milk from injected cows has more pus, more antibiotics, more bovine growth hormone, and most importantly, more insulin-like growth factor 1 (IGF-1). IGF-1 is a huge risk factor for common cancers and its high levels in this drugged milk is why so many medical organizations and hospitals have taken stands against rbGH. A former Monsanto scientist told me that when three of his Monsanto colleagues evaluated rbGH safety and discovered the elevated IGF-1 levels, even they refused to drink any more milk -- unless it was organic and therefore untreated.Government scientists from Canada evaluated the FDA's approval of rbGH and concluded that it was a dangerous facade. The drug was banned in Canada, as well as Europe, Japan, Australia and New Zealand. But it was approved in the US while Michael Taylor was in charge. His drugged milk might have caused a significant rise in US cancer rates. Additional published evidence also implicates rbGH in the high rate of fraternal twins in the US.Taylor also determined that milk from injected cows did not require any special labeling. And as a gift to his future employer Monsanto, he wrote a white paper suggesting that if companies ever had the audacity to label their products as not using rbGH, they should also include a disclaimer stating that according to the FDA, there is no difference between milk from treated and untreated cows.Taylor's disclaimer was also a lie. Monsanto's own studies and FDA scientists officially acknowledged differences in the drugged milk. No matter. Monsanto used Taylor's white paper as the basis to successfully sue dairies that labeled their products as rbGH-free.Will Monsanto's Wolff Also Guard the Chickens?As consumers learned that rbGH was dangerous, they refused to buy the milk. To keep their customers, a tidal wave of companies has publicly committed to not use the drug and to label their products as such. Monsanto tried unsuccessfully to convince the FDA and FTC to make it illegal for dairies to make rbGH-free claims, so they went to their special friend in Pennsylvania -- Dennis Wolff. As state secretary of agriculture, Wolff unilaterally declared that labeling products rbGH-free was illegal, and that all such labels must be removed from shelves statewide. This would, of course, eliminate the label from all national brands, as they couldn't afford to create separate packaging for just one state.Fortunately, consumer demand forced Pennsylvania' s Governor Ed Rendell to step in and stop Wolff's madness. But Rendell allowed Wolff to take a compromised position that now requires rbGH-free claims to also be accompanied by Taylor's FDA disclaimer on the package.President Obama is considering Dennis Wolff for the top food safety post at the USDA. Yikes!Rumor has it that the reason why Pennsylvania' s governor is supporting Wolff's appointment is to get him out of the state -- after he "screwed up so badly" with the rbGH decision. Oh great, governor. Thanks.Ohio Governor Gets Taylor-itusOhio not only followed Pennsylvania' s lead by requiring Taylor's FDA disclaimer on packaging, they went a step further. They declared that dairies must place that disclaimer on the same panel where rbGH-free claims are made, and even dictated the font size. This would force national brands to re-design their labels and may ultimately dissuade them from making rbGH-free claims at all. The Organic Trade Association and the International Dairy Foods Association filed a lawsuit against Ohio. Although they lost the first court battle, upon appeal, the judge ordered a mediation session that takes place today. Thousands of Ohio citizens have flooded Governor Strickland's office with urgent requests to withdraw the states anti-consumer labeling requirements.Perhaps the governor has an ulterior motive for pushing his new rules. If he goes ahead with his labeling plans, he might end up with a top appointment in the Obama administration.

The truth is ugly sometimes, but knowing it may set you free. Once upon a time I was quite the liberal Democrat, and I am certainly no Republican today. But neither am I blind as I once was and I am very much involved in the efforts to insure health freedom and to restore liberty and freedom to the sovereign citizens of the sovereign states of the federal republic of the United States of America.

OK, off my soapbox. This is not an invitation to begin a political debate, as that will detract from the main purpose of this group - beating and avoiding cancer and living longer, healthier and happier lives. But it had to be said.

oleander soup, rleeh2001@.. . wrote:>> Can't you people see behind the seen, Obama is doing just exactly what he > need to do, you people need to look deeper than the surface to see what is > really going on.> This is not business as usual, that ended with George Bush, this is a > completely different chapter. > Obama is a Spiritual person, with intentions and a soul contract to bring > Heaven to Earth, the Golden Age,. . . (pardon me while I barf - Tony)

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Is was published in the thread, not necessarily by you. I was commenting on the tone of the thread. Specifically it was something about "hanging them from yardarms". I like pirates as much as the next guy, but the thread was becomming vocally violent, particularly for a healing website. There are people on here seeking relief from cancer. Violent tone does not help, in fact angry tone is not so productive either.

 

Mike

 

 

 

Bob Banever <bbaneveroleander soup Sent: Monday, August 10, 2009 1:03:18 AMRe: OK, time for a rant on Obama and our health

 

Mike,

 

Excuse me, but where did I mention anything about hanging people?

 

TIA.

 

Bob

 

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Mike Golden

oleander soup

Friday, August 07, 2009 7:44 AM

Re: OK, time for a rant on Obama and our health

 

 

Speaking opinion is one thing. Talking about hanging people is quite a different story.

 

Mike

 

 

 

Bob Banever <bbanever (AT) earthlink (DOT) net>oleander soupFriday, August 7, 2009 7:19:09 AMRe: OK, time for a rant on Obama and our health

 

Mike,

 

I'm simply speaking truth to power. When corporations and/or individuals threaten our very existence, our very lives, then it's imperative on us as patriots, as Americans, to change things. Tyranny has no place in America or anywhere for that matter.

 

Bob

 

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Mike Golden

oleander soup

Thursday, August 06, 2009 4:20 PM

Re: OK, time for a rant on Obama and our health

 

 

The level of violent rhetoric on the list is getting uncomfortable. Words have weight. Please consider this.

 

Mike

 

 

 

Bob Banever <bbanever (AT) earthlink (DOT) net>oleander soupWednesday, August 5, 2009 10:30:43 PMRe: OK, time for a rant on Obama and our health

 

Dr. Goebel,

 

Bravo. These evil nazi's must be stopped!

 

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Michael Goebel

oleander soup

Tuesday, August 04, 2009 9:35 AM

Re: OK, time for a rant on Obama and our health

 

 

 

 

Thank you for your RANT. God bless you! Now would about 100 million citizens scream the rant also! We need to hang the traitors and thieves.Dr. Goebel--- On Tue, 8/4/09, Tony > wrote:

Tony > OK, time for a rant on Obama and our healtholeander soupTuesday, August 4, 2009, 9:13 AM

 

I usually try to keep politics out of this group - but since the abomination of the bill that is being called Obamacare and agriculture regulations that favor Big Pharma and Big Food are being rammed down our throats to the detriment of our health whether we like it or not, and those regulations have come largely from people Obama has appointed to office, I do have some things to say.

First of all, Obama is no spiritual beingl. That is all smoke and mirrors and deception, the same as the rest of Obama and the same as his completely inexcusable refusal to reveal his original birth certificate or release his college records. Far from any savior or "being of light" as one person recently described him on another forum, he is merely a new face on the latest in a very long string of puppets that have served anything but the interests of the common citizens. Being of light? I am not sure that any beings of light have ever come out of the corrupt Chicago political organization. But perhaps he is a being of light in some respects - such as light on experience, light on integrity, light on truth, and light on his feet as he tap dances around in front of the cameras pretending to be our savior when he is is nothing more than the

latest tool of the new world order elite to further their agenda.

Like W. E. B. Griffith and others have tried to tell us, the two party system of Republican and Democrat is an engineered box we have been trapped into. It is just an illusion - smoke and mirrors and word games - that we have been trapped into. They have rigged the game so that it is virtually impossible for any other party or and independent candidate to have a chance, and further insured control of elections with easily manipulated Diebold voting machines (did you know that the people who run that company are ex-felons, btw?). At the top, both parties have the same masters and the same agenda- they simply approach it from different angles. And you can take this to the funny-money bank: no-one gets elected at the top of the ticket that has not been vetted and pre-approved by the Bilderburgs.

If the poor dumbed down, reality show watching, filterd news consuming sheeple were not so blind, that should have been imminently apparent during Bush's last race which featured two Skull and Bones members squared off against one another, and even more apparent when we were tricked into a war of mass deception for the sake of big oil and the Halliburton profiteers as well as Bush's huge expansion of government, his presidential signings that eroded our freedoms, the rushed bail out that did nothing to free up credit or help the financial crisis, and his virtual abandonment of the conservative principles he espoused during his campaign.

In the instance of Obama, it is more of the same, just as it would have been with McCain - except Obama has the pedal all the way to the floor to hasten the New World Order's plans to bring America to her knees and eliminate their greatest obstacle to a one-world government by the elite, of the elite and for the elite. I will point out that no administration has ever had the number of Council of Foreign Relations, Trilateral Commission, and Bilderburg members as Obama's. His choice for Healthcare was a Merck insider and, though he had to withdraw in scandal due to failure to pay taxes, the Obamacare bill has his signature all over it. Most of you will recognize Merck as the company that brought us Vioxx and, along with their lackeys in the FDA, fought to keep it on the market until over 60,000 deaths (more than the entire Vietnam War) were attributed to it. And then there is

Avandia, Fosamax and the horrendous Gardasil vaccine jabs they bribed government officials to endorse and even make mandatory for our young school girls.

Obama's choice to head up Agriculture is a Monsanto insider, and those of us who are aware of what is going on in the world recognize Monsanto as the most evil of all the giant Agri-biz companies (think GMO, antibiotics in meat and roundup ready food crops, along with a plan to control all of our seeds).

Likewise, the people Obama has chosen to run the financial aspects of our government are Wallstreet insiders and some of the very same people who were in charge of the banks we had to bail out.

Now, returning once again to the health issues, here is the capper (thus far anyway):

The person who may be responsible for more food-related illness and death than anyone in history has just been made the US food safety czar. This is no joke.Here's the back story.When FDA scientists were asked to weigh in on what was to become the most radical and potentially dangerous change in our food supply -- the introduction of genetically modified (GM) foods -- secret documents now reveal that the experts were very concerned. Memo after memo described toxins, new diseases, nutritional deficiencies, and hard-to-detect allergens. They were adamant that the technology carried "serious health hazards," and required careful, long-term research, including human studies, before any genetically modified organisms (GMOs) could be safely released into the food supply.But the biotech industry had rigged the game so that neither Science nor scientists would stand in their way. They had placed their own man in charge of FDA policy and he wasn't going to be swayed by feeble arguments related to food safety. No, he was going to do what corporations had done for decades to get past these types of pesky concerns. He was going to lie.Dangerous Food Safety LiesWhen the FDA was constructing their GMO policy in 1991-2, their scientists were clear that gene-sliced foods were significantly different and could lead to "different risks" than conventional

foods. But official policy declared the opposite, claiming that the FDA knew nothing of significant differences, and declared GMOs substantially equivalent.This fiction became the rationale for allowing GM foods on the market without any required safety studies whatsoever! The determination of whether GM foods were safe to eat was placed entirely in the hands of the companies that made them -- companies like Monsanto, which told us that the PCBs, DDT, and Agent Orange were safe.GMOs were rushed onto our plates in 1996. Over the next nine years, multiple chronic illnesses in the US nearly doubled -- from 7% to 13%. Allergy-related emergency room visits doubled between 1997 and 2002 while food allergies, especially

among children, skyrocketed. We also witnessed a dramatic rise in asthma, autism, obesity, diabetes, digestive disorders, and certain cancers.In January of this year, Dr. P. M. Bhargava, one of the world's top biologists, told me that after reviewing 600 scientific journals, he concluded that the GM foods in the US are largely responsible for the increase in many serious diseases.In May, the American Academy of Environmental Medicine concluded that animal studies have demonstrated a causal relationship between GM foods and infertility, accelerated aging, dysfunctional insulin regulation, changes in major organs and the gastrointestinal system, and immune problems such as asthma, allergies, and inflammationIn July, a report by eight international experts determined that the flimsy and superficial evaluations of GMOs by both regulators and GM companies "systematically overlook the side effects" and significantly underestimate "the

initial signs of diseases like cancer and diseases of the hormonal, immune, nervous and reproductive systems, among others."The Fox Guarding the ChickensIf GMOs are indeed responsible for massive sickness and death, then the individual who oversaw the FDA policy that facilitated their introduction holds a uniquely infamous role in human history. That person is Michael Taylor. He had been Monsanto's attorney before becoming policy chief at the FDA. Soon after, he became Monsanto's vice president and chief lobbyist.This month Michael Taylor became the senior advisor to the commissioner of the FDA. He is now America's food safety czar. What have we done?The Milk Man ComethWhile Taylor was at the FDA in the early 90's, he also oversaw the policy regarding Monsanto's genetically engineered bovine growth hormone (rbGH/rbST) -- injected into cows to increase milk supply.The milk from injected cows has more pus,

more antibiotics, more bovine growth hormone, and most importantly, more insulin-like growth factor 1 (IGF-1). IGF-1 is a huge risk factor for common cancers and its high levels in this drugged milk is why so many medical organizations and hospitals have taken stands against rbGH. A former Monsanto scientist told me that when three of his Monsanto colleagues evaluated rbGH safety and discovered the elevated IGF-1 levels, even they refused to drink any more milk -- unless it was organic and therefore untreated.Government scientists from Canada evaluated the FDA's approval of rbGH and concluded that it was a dangerous facade. The drug was banned in Canada, as well as Europe, Japan, Australia and New Zealand. But it was approved in the US while Michael Taylor was in charge. His drugged milk might have caused a significant rise in US cancer rates. Additional published evidence also implicates rbGH in the high rate of fraternal twins in the

US.Taylor also determined that milk from injected cows did not require any special labeling. And as a gift to his future employer Monsanto, he wrote a white paper suggesting that if companies ever had the audacity to label their products as not using rbGH, they should also include a disclaimer stating that according to the FDA, there is no difference between milk from treated and untreated cows.Taylor's disclaimer was also a lie. Monsanto's own studies and FDA scientists officially acknowledged differences in the drugged milk. No matter. Monsanto used Taylor's white paper as the basis to successfully sue dairies that labeled their products as rbGH-free.Will Monsanto's Wolff Also Guard the Chickens?As consumers learned that rbGH was dangerous, they refused to buy the milk. To keep their customers, a tidal wave of companies has publicly committed to not use the drug and to label their products as such. Monsanto tried

unsuccessfully to convince the FDA and FTC to make it illegal for dairies to make rbGH-free claims, so they went to their special friend in Pennsylvania -- Dennis Wolff. As state secretary of agriculture, Wolff unilaterally declared that labeling products rbGH-free was illegal, and that all such labels must be removed from shelves statewide. This would, of course, eliminate the label from all national brands, as they couldn't afford to create separate packaging for just one state.Fortunately, consumer demand forced Pennsylvania' s Governor Ed Rendell to step in and stop Wolff's madness. But Rendell allowed Wolff to take a compromised position that now requires rbGH-free claims to also be accompanied by Taylor's FDA disclaimer on the package.President Obama is considering Dennis Wolff for the top food safety post at the USDA. Yikes!Rumor has it that the reason why Pennsylvania' s governor is supporting Wolff's appointment is to

get him out of the state -- after he "screwed up so badly" with the rbGH decision. Oh great, governor. Thanks.Ohio Governor Gets Taylor-itusOhio not only followed Pennsylvania' s lead by requiring Taylor's FDA disclaimer on packaging, they went a step further. They declared that dairies must place that disclaimer on the same panel where rbGH-free claims are made, and even dictated the font size. This would force national brands to re-design their labels and may ultimately dissuade them from making rbGH-free claims at all. The Organic Trade Association and the International Dairy Foods Association filed a lawsuit against Ohio. Although they lost the first court battle, upon appeal, the judge ordered a mediation session that takes place today. Thousands of Ohio citizens have flooded Governor Strickland's office with urgent requests to withdraw the states anti-consumer labeling requirements.Perhaps the governor has an ulterior

motive for pushing his new rules. If he goes ahead with his labeling plans, he might end up with a top appointment in the Obama administration.

The truth is ugly sometimes, but knowing it may set you free. Once upon a time I was quite the liberal Democrat, and I am certainly no Republican today. But neither am I blind as I once was and I am very much involved in the efforts to insure health freedom and to restore liberty and freedom to the sovereign citizens of the sovereign states of the federal republic of the United States of America.

OK, off my soapbox. This is not an invitation to begin a political debate, as that will detract from the main purpose of this group - beating and avoiding cancer and living longer, healthier and happier lives. But it had to be said.

oleander soup, rleeh2001@.. . wrote:>> Can't you people see behind the seen, Obama is doing just exactly what he > need to do, you people need to look deeper than the surface to see what is > really going on.> This is not business as usual, that ended with George Bush, this is a > completely different chapter. > Obama is a Spiritual person, with intentions and a soul contract to bring > Heaven to Earth, the Golden Age,. . . (pardon me while I barf - Tony)

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