What the universal healthcare advocates don't want you to ...

[Guest guest]

Can't you people see behind the seen, Obama is doing just exactly what he need to do, you people need to look deeper than the surface to see what is really going on.

This is not business as usual, that ended with George Bush, this is a completely different chapter.

Obama is a Spiritual person, with intentions and a soul contract to bring Heaven to Earth, the Golden Age, have you ever read about those things, our entire government is sick and broken we don't want to save anything from the old government, we need to start completely over.

You need to be prepared to be self sustaining for around six months.

Our entire monetary system & financial system with crash completely, there will be nothing left you recognize, don't pay attention to what Obama is or isn't doing with Health Care,it make no differance, before too long we will not even need the medical system.

The Illuminati are the wealthy of the world, they own the IRS, Federal Reserve, the mint, our government has nothing to do with this private business, the US Marshals are another private business.

They print money on paper, call it currency loan it to our government for face value plus interest, it is worthless paper printed by a private business.

That is how Lincoln got killed, he printed money by the Government no interest, John Kennedy printed red money no interest, they killed him.

Do you need more?

Leave it up to Obama he will do what is right for all concerned.

He is very special and was born for this job to take us into the Golden Age, that is his purpose for being here.

Remember when he went to the G 20 summit earlier this year, the told him in London you do what we tell you to do with this financial situation or we will turn the bird flu loose on you, Obama told a General find out about this, and take care of it, Obama did not cave like all the rest, two weeks later they released the Swine, Bird, and six different human flu's all mixed together, and turned it loose in different places in the world.

There fixing another flu vaccine that will probably kill millions of people next, there working on it now. If the Spiritual Hierarchy doesn't take care of it, it will kill millions of people.

Sorry for getting carried away, you can not study on medical cures, it goes much further than that, you also need to spiritual to guide you, in the right direction.

Science will never get it right until they mix it with spiritual.

 

In a message dated 8/2/2009 11:57:26 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time, writes:

 

No, Sean, I am firmly in your corner and I believe that the universal healthcare bill is a huge boondoggle that will end up meting out drugs and treatments to older citizens, put the government in control of healthcare and ultimately grant even more domination of our healthcare to the evil world pharmaceutical empire.

What the universal healthcare advocates don't want you to know

[Guest guest]

rleeh,

 

Ha ha... you're funny. I agree with most of your post, not too sure of Obama though.

 

Bob

 

-

rleeh2001

oleander soup

Sunday, August 02, 2009 8:50 PM

Re: What the universal healthcare advocates don't want you to ...

 

Can't you people see behind the seen, Obama is doing just exactly what he need to do, you people need to look deeper than the surface to see what is really going on.

This is not business as usual, that ended with George Bush, this is a completely different chapter.

Obama is a Spiritual person, with intentions and a soul contract to bring Heaven to Earth, the Golden Age, have you ever read about those things, our entire government is sick and broken we don't want to save anything from the old government, we need to start completely over.

You need to be prepared to be self sustaining for around six months.

Our entire monetary system & financial system with crash completely, there will be nothing left you recognize, don't pay attention to what Obama is or isn't doing with Health Care,it make no differance, before too long we will not even need the medical system.

The Illuminati are the wealthy of the world, they own the IRS, Federal Reserve, the mint, our government has nothing to do with this private business, the US Marshals are another private business.

They print money on paper, call it currency loan it to our government for face value plus interest, it is worthless paper printed by a private business.

That is how Lincoln got killed, he printed money by the Government no interest, John Kennedy printed red money no interest, they killed him.

Do you need more?

Leave it up to Obama he will do what is right for all concerned.

He is very special and was born for this job to take us into the Golden Age, that is his purpose for being here.

Remember when he went to the G 20 summit earlier this year, the told him in London you do what we tell you to do with this financial situation or we will turn the bird flu loose on you, Obama told a General find out about this, and take care of it, Obama did not cave like all the rest, two weeks later they released the Swine, Bird, and six different human flu's all mixed together, and turned it loose in different places in the world.

There fixing another flu vaccine that will probably kill millions of people next, there working on it now. If the Spiritual Hierarchy doesn't take care of it, it will kill millions of people.

Sorry for getting carried away, you can not study on medical cures, it goes much further than that, you also need to spiritual to guide you, in the right direction.

Science will never get it right until they mix it with spiritual.

 

In a message dated 8/2/2009 11:57:26 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time, writes:

 

No, Sean, I am firmly in your corner and I believe that the universal healthcare bill is a huge boondoggle that will end up meting out drugs and treatments to older citizens, put the government in control of healthcare and ultimately grant even more domination of our healthcare to the evil world pharmaceutical empire.

What the universal healthcare advocates don't want you to know

[Guest guest]

rleeh....forgive me for speaking up here...I know where you are coming from and whether or not all this about the illuminati is right...the fact still

remains that Obama wants universal health care..The plan as it stands is God awful...they are trying to rush it through so people do not have time to

read and learn about it. We don't need a government takeover to have a workable insurance program. Americans need to wake up and take some responsibility for their own health and become involved and informed with regards to all the proposed change going on in this country.....as far as I am concerned this bill is not good and with every change goes a little bit of our freedom.

 

What I know for sure is that I can not be for a bill which could shorten my life as a senior, and Obama nor those who created the bill will be subjected to this health

care...now tell.... me just how spiritual is that? All the change in this country is about one thing control... I like to think that those who proclaim to be spiritual at least have a bit of integrity. Obama's job is to protect the US and it's citizens. I think it is pretty obvious the segment of the population that this will benefit with this health care plan and it will not be seniors. As far as I am concerned we already have the best health care in the world and it should not be that big a deal to provide additional insurance at reasonable costs for all Americans. But this bill is about a whole lot more than health care..This is a disaster and will drive up the health care costs by Billions...rationing health care for seniors. Truly...Even though I consider myself to be a spiritual person ...I believe it is always best in cases like this to deal with the facts!

 

I think that great emphasis should be placed on preventative methods...using natural health techniques to help people stay healthy....this would certainly bring down the cost of health care....and many of us would probably live a lot longer as well. But of course big pharma wouldn't like this!!!

 

I love this group and I seem to be always lurking in the background and hardly participating...but I am involved and love to read all the posts...as you can see I am

pretty passionate about this whole health care thing.....just thought I would take this opportunity to speak my view. thank you.

 

blessings

 

 

 

 

..

 

 

-

rleeh2001

oleander soup

Sunday, August 02, 2009 11:50 PM

Re: What the universal healthcare advocates don't want you to ...

 

Can't you people see behind the seen, Obama is doing just exactly what he need to do, you people need to look deeper than the surface to see what is really going on.

This is not business as usual, that ended with George Bush, this is a completely different chapter.

Obama is a Spiritual person, with intentions and a soul contract to bring Heaven to Earth, the Golden Age, have you ever read about those things, our entire government is sick and broken we don't want to save anything from the old government, we need to start completely over.

You need to be prepared to be self sustaining for around six months.

Our entire monetary system & financial system with crash completely, there will be nothing left you recognize, don't pay attention to what Obama is or isn't doing with Health Care,it make no differance, before too long we will not even need the medical system.

The Illuminati are the wealthy of the world, they own the IRS, Federal Reserve, the mint, our government has nothing to do with this private business, the US Marshals are another private business.

They print money on paper, call it currency loan it to our government for face value plus interest, it is worthless paper printed by a private business.

That is how Lincoln got killed, he printed money by the Government no interest, John Kennedy printed red money no interest, they killed him.

Do you need more?

Leave it up to Obama he will do what is right for all concerned.

He is very special and was born for this job to take us into the Golden Age, that is his purpose for being here.

Remember when he went to the G 20 summit earlier this year, the told him in London you do what we tell you to do with this financial situation or we will turn the bird flu loose on you, Obama told a General find out about this, and take care of it, Obama did not cave like all the rest, two weeks later they released the Swine, Bird, and six different human flu's all mixed together, and turned it loose in different places in the world.

There fixing another flu vaccine that will probably kill millions of people next, there working on it now. If the Spiritual Hierarchy doesn't take care of it, it will kill millions of people.

Sorry for getting carried away, you can not study on medical cures, it goes much further than that, you also need to spiritual to guide you, in the right direction.

Science will never get it right until they mix it with spiritual.

 

In a message dated 8/2/2009 11:57:26 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time, writes:

 

No, Sean, I am firmly in your corner and I believe that the universal healthcare bill is a huge boondoggle that will end up meting out drugs and treatments to older citizens, put the government in control of healthcare and ultimately grant even more domination of our healthcare to the evil world pharmaceutical empire.

What the universal healthcare advocates don't want you to know

[Guest guest]

Everyone keeps mentioning " Obama's health plan " but Obama has not defined any health plan. So far he has left that up to Congress. He has not even threatened a veto if the plan does or does not contain certain provisions. So how do you blame and villify Obama? What you do see are a number of proposed health plans that Big Pharma supporters (bought and paid for) have laced with poisoned provisions to prevent the passage of any meaningful health coverage reform. Place the blame where it belongs - Big Pharma and their lackeys. - Steveoleander soup <oleander soup >oleander soup <oleander soup >Mon Aug 03 02:04:49 2009Re: What the universal healthcare advocates don't want you to ... rleeh....forgive me for speaking up here...I know where you are coming from and whether or not all this about the illuminati is right...the fact stillremains that Obama wants universal health care..The plan as it stands is God awful...they are trying to rush it through so people do not have time to read and learn about it. We don't need a government takeover to have a workable insurance program. Americans need to wake up and take some responsibility for their own health and become involved and informed with regards to all the proposed change going on in this country.....as far as I am concerned this bill is not good and with every change goes a little bit of our freedom. What I know for sure is that I can not be for a bill which could shorten my life as a senior, and Obama nor those who created the bill will be subjected to this healthcare...now tell.... me just how spiritual is that? All the change in this country is about one thing control... I like to think that those who proclaim to be spiritual at least have a bit of integrity. Obama's job is to protect the US and it's citizens. I think it is pretty obvious the segment of the population that this will benefit with this health care plan and it will not be seniors. As far as I am concerned we already have the best health care in the world and it should not be that big a deal to provide additional insurance at reasonable costs for all Americans. But this bill is about a whole lot more than health care..This is a disaster and will drive up the health care costs by Billions...rationing health care for seniors. Truly...Even though I consider myself to be a spiritual person ...I believe it is always best in cases like this to deal with the facts! I think that great emphasis should be placed on preventative methods...using natural health techniques to help people stay healthy....this would certainly bring down the cost of health care....and many of us would probably live a lot longer as well. But of course big pharma wouldn't like this!!! I love this group and I seem to be always lurking in the background and hardly participating...but I am involved and love to read all the posts...as you can see I ampretty passionate about this whole health care thing.....just thought I would take this opportunity to speak my view. thank you. blessings . - rleeh2001 (AT) aol (DOT) com oleander soup Sunday, August 02, 2009 11:50 PMRe: What the universal healthcare advocates don't want you to ... Can't you people see behind the seen, Obama is doing just exactly what he need to do, you people need to look deeper than the surface to see what is really going on.This is not business as usual, that ended with George Bush, this is a completely different chapter. Obama is a Spiritual person, with intentions and a soul contract to bring Heaven to Earth, the Golden Age, have you ever read about those things, our entire government is sick and broken we don't want to save anything from the old government, we need to start completely over.You need to be prepared to be self sustaining for around six months.Our entire monetary system & financial system with crash completely, there will be nothing left you recognize, don't pay attention to what Obama is or isn't doing with Health Care,it make no differance, before too long we will not even need the medical system.The Illuminati are the wealthy of the world, they own the IRS, Federal Reserve, the mint, our government has nothing to do with this private business, the US Marshals are another private business.They print money on paper, call it currency loan it to our government for face value plus interest, it is worthless paper printed by a private business.That is how Lincoln got killed, he printed money by the Government no interest, John Kennedy printed red money no interest, they killed him.Do you need more?Leave it up to Obama he will do what is right for all concerned.He is very special and was born for this job to take us into the Golden Age, that is his purpose for being here.Remember when he went to the G 20 summit earlier this year, the told him in London you do what we tell you to do with this financial situation or we will turn the bird flu loose on you, Obama told a General find out about this, and take care of it, Obama did not cave like all the rest, two weeks later they released the Swine, Bird, and six different human flu's all mixed together, and turned it loose in different places in the world.There fixing another flu vaccine that will probably kill millions of people next, there working on it now. If the Spiritual Hierarchy doesn't take care of it, it will kill millions of people.Sorry for getting carried away, you can not study on medical cures, it goes much further than that, you also need to spiritual to guide you, in the right direction.Science will never get it right until they mix it with spiritual.In a message dated 8/2/2009 11:57:26 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time, writes:No, Sean, I am firmly in your corner and I believe that the universal healthcare bill is a huge boondoggle that will end up meting out drugs and treatments to older citizens, put the government in control of healthcare and ultimately grant even more domination of our healthcare to the evil world pharmaceutical empire.What the universal healthcare advocates don't want you to know

[Guest guest]



Steve,

 

Well then Obama should define what he wants. He's the President after all, and the responsibility rests with him. It was his idea to reform the health care system so if he doesn't have a plan then we're at the mercy of the pharma industry. That would be Mr. Obama's fault if you ask me.

 

Bob

 

-

Norton, Steve

oleander soup

Monday, August 03, 2009 6:13 PM

Re: What the universal healthcare advocates don't want you to ...

 

Everyone keeps mentioning "Obama's health plan" but Obama has not defined any health plan. So far he has left that up to Congress. He has not even threatened a veto if the plan does or does not contain certain provisions. So how do you blame and villify Obama? What you do see are a number of proposed health plans that Big Pharma supporters (bought and paid for) have laced with poisoned provisions to prevent the passage of any meaningful health coverage reform. Place the blame where it belongs - Big Pharma and their lackeys. - Steve

 

 

oleander soup <oleander soup > oleander soup <oleander soup > Mon Aug 03 02:04:49 2009Re: What the universal healthcare advocates don't want you to ...

 

rleeh....forgive me for speaking up here...I know where you are coming from and whether or not all this about the illuminati is right...the fact still

remains that Obama wants universal health care..The plan as it stands is God awful...they are trying to rush it through so people do not have time to

read and learn about it. We don't need a government takeover to have a workable insurance program. Americans need to wake up and take some responsibility for their own health and become involved and informed with regards to all the proposed change going on in this country.....as far as I am concerned this bill is not good and with every change goes a little bit of our freedom.

 

What I know for sure is that I can not be for a bill which could shorten my life as a senior, and Obama nor those who created the bill will be subjected to this health

care...now tell.... me just how spiritual is that? All the change in this country is about one thing control... I like to think that those who proclaim to be spiritual at least have a bit of integrity. Obama's job is to protect the US and it's citizens. I think it is pretty obvious the segment of the population that this will benefit with this health care plan and it will not be seniors. As far as I am concerned we already have the best health care in the world and it should not be that big a deal to provide additional insurance at reasonable costs for all Americans. But this bill is about a whole lot more than health care..This is a disaster and will drive up the health care costs by Billions...rationing health care for seniors. Truly...Even though I consider myself to be a spiritual person ...I believe it is always best in cases like this to deal with the facts!

 

I think that great emphasis should be placed on preventative methods...using natural health techniques to help people stay healthy....this would certainly bring down the cost of health care....and many of us would probably live a lot longer as well. But of course big pharma wouldn't like this!!!

 

I love this group and I seem to be always lurking in the background and hardly participating...but I am involved and love to read all the posts...as you can see I am

pretty passionate about this whole health care thing.....just thought I would take this opportunity to speak my view. thank you.

 

blessings

 

 

 

 

..

 

 

-

rleeh2001 (AT) aol (DOT) com

oleander soup

Sunday, August 02, 2009 11:50 PM

Re: What the universal healthcare advocates don't want you to ...

 

Can't you people see behind the seen, Obama is doing just exactly what he need to do, you people need to look deeper than the surface to see what is really going on.

This is not business as usual, that ended with George Bush, this is a completely different chapter.

Obama is a Spiritual person, with intentions and a soul contract to bring Heaven to Earth, the Golden Age, have you ever read about those things, our entire government is sick and broken we don't want to save anything from the old government, we need to start completely over.

You need to be prepared to be self sustaining for around six months.

Our entire monetary system & financial system with crash completely, there will be nothing left you recognize, don't pay attention to what Obama is or isn't doing with Health Care,it make no differance, before too long we will not even need the medical system.

The Illuminati are the wealthy of the world, they own the IRS, Federal Reserve, the mint, our government has nothing to do with this private business, the US Marshals are another private business.

They print money on paper, call it currency loan it to our government for face value plus interest, it is worthless paper printed by a private business.

That is how Lincoln got killed, he printed money by the Government no interest, John Kennedy printed red money no interest, they killed him.

Do you need more?

Leave it up to Obama he will do what is right for all concerned.

He is very special and was born for this job to take us into the Golden Age, that is his purpose for being here.

Remember when he went to the G 20 summit earlier this year, the told him in London you do what we tell you to do with this financial situation or we will turn the bird flu loose on you, Obama told a General find out about this, and take care of it, Obama did not cave like all the rest, two weeks later they released the Swine, Bird, and six different human flu's all mixed together, and turned it loose in different places in the world.

There fixing another flu vaccine that will probably kill millions of people next, there working on it now. If the Spiritual Hierarchy doesn't take care of it, it will kill millions of people.

Sorry for getting carried away, you can not study on medical cures, it goes much further than that, you also need to spiritual to guide you, in the right direction.

Science will never get it right until they mix it with spiritual.

 

In a message dated 8/2/2009 11:57:26 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time, writes:

 

No, Sean, I am firmly in your corner and I believe that the universal healthcare bill is a huge boondoggle that will end up meting out drugs and treatments to older citizens, put the government in control of healthcare and ultimately grant even more domination of our healthcare to the evil world pharmaceutical empire.

What the universal healthcare advocates don't want you to know

[Guest guest]

It is congress' job to come up with the plan and yes he should give direction but it can only be at a high level. At least at first. Maybe at some point he should play hardball after it gets close to the wire. Democrats don't work like Republicans where one person at the top is able to give direction and everyone below follows orders. For Obama to try and impose his will on Congress would be a disaster. You can't blame Obama for Congress' failure. He really only has veto power. Ant then only if Congress doesn't have enough votes to override. I like what you say but I don't think it is realistic. Of course I may change my mind at some point. :-) - Steveoleander soup <oleander soup >oleander soup <oleander soup >Mon Aug 03 23:20:54 2009Re: What the universal healthcare advocates don't want you to ... Steve, Well then Obama should define what he wants. He's the President after all, and the responsibility rests with him. It was his idea to reform the health care system so if he doesn't have a plan then we're at the mercy of the pharma industry. That would be Mr. Obama's fault if you ask me. Bob- Norton, Steve oleander soup Monday, August 03, 2009 6:13 PMRe: What the universal healthcare advocates don't want you to ...Everyone keeps mentioning "Obama's health plan" but Obama has not defined any health plan. So far he has left that up to Congress. He has not even threatened a veto if the plan does or does not contain certain provisions. So how do you blame and villify Obama? What you do see are a number of proposed health plans that Big Pharma supporters (bought and paid for) have laced with poisoned provisions to prevent the passage of any meaningful health coverage reform. Place the blame where it belongs - Big Pharma and their lackeys. - Steveoleander soup <oleander soup > oleander soup <oleander soup > Mon Aug 03 02:04:49 2009Re: What the universal healthcare advocates don't want you to ... rleeh....forgive me for speaking up here...I know where you are coming from and whether or not all this about the illuminati is right...the fact stillremains that Obama wants universal health care..The plan as it stands is God awful...they are trying to rush it through so people do not have time to read and learn about it. We don't need a government takeover to have a workable insurance program. Americans need to wake up and take some responsibility for their own health and become involved and informed with regards to all the proposed change going on in this country.....as far as I am concerned this bill is not good and with every change goes a little bit of our freedom. What I know for sure is that I can not be for a bill which could shorten my life as a senior, and Obama nor those who created the bill will be subjected to this healthcare...now tell.... me just how spiritual is that? All the change in this country is about one thing control... I like to think that those who proclaim to be spiritual at least have a bit of integrity. Obama's job is to protect the US and it's citizens. I think it is pretty obvious the segment of the population that this will benefit with this health care plan and it will not be seniors. As far as I am concerned we already have the best health care in the world and it should not be that big a deal to provide additional insurance at reasonable costs for all Americans. But this bill is about a whole lot more than health care..This is a disaster and will drive up the health care costs by Billions...rationing health care for seniors. Truly...Even though I consider myself to be a spiritual person ...I believe it is always best in cases like this to deal with the facts! I think that great emphasis should be placed on preventative methods...using natural health techniques to help people stay healthy....this would certainly bring down the cost of health care....and many of us would probably live a lot longer as well. But of course big pharma wouldn't like this!!! I love this group and I seem to be always lurking in the background and hardly participating...but I am involved and love to read all the posts...as you can see I ampretty passionate about this whole health care thing.....just thought I would take this opportunity to speak my view. thank you. blessings . - rleeh2001 (AT) aol (DOT) com oleander soup Sunday, August 02, 2009 11:50 PMRe: What the universal healthcare advocates don't want you to ... Can't you people see behind the seen, Obama is doing just exactly what he need to do, you people need to look deeper than the surface to see what is really going on.This is not business as usual, that ended with George Bush, this is a completely different chapter. Obama is a Spiritual person, with intentions and a soul contract to bring Heaven to Earth, the Golden Age, have you ever read about those things, our entire government is sick and broken we don't want to save anything from the old government, we need to start completely over.You need to be prepared to be self sustaining for around six months.Our entire monetary system & financial system with crash completely, there will be nothing left you recognize, don't pay attention to what Obama is or isn't doing with Health Care,it make no differance, before too long we will not even need the medical system.The Illuminati are the wealthy of the world, they own the IRS, Federal Reserve, the mint, our government has nothing to do with this private business, the US Marshals are another private business.They print money on paper, call it currency loan it to our government for face value plus interest, it is worthless paper printed by a private business.That is how Lincoln got killed, he printed money by the Government no interest, John Kennedy printed red money no interest, they killed him.Do you need more?Leave it up to Obama he will do what is right for all concerned.He is very special and was born for this job to take us into the Golden Age, that is his purpose for being here.Remember when he went to the G 20 summit earlier this year, the told him in London you do what we tell you to do with this financial situation or we will turn the bird flu loose on you, Obama told a General find out about this, and take care of it, Obama did not cave like all the rest, two weeks later they released the Swine, Bird, and six different human flu's all mixed together, and turned it loose in different places in the world.There fixing another flu vaccine that will probably kill millions of people next, there working on it now. If the Spiritual Hierarchy doesn't take care of it, it will kill millions of people.Sorry for getting carried away, you can not study on medical cures, it goes much further than that, you also need to spiritual to guide you, in the right direction.Science will never get it right until they mix it with spiritual.In a message dated 8/2/2009 11:57:26 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time, writes:No, Sean, I am firmly in your corner and I believe that the universal healthcare bill is a huge boondoggle that will end up meting out drugs and treatments to older citizens, put the government in control of healthcare and ultimately grant even more domination of our healthcare to the evil world pharmaceutical empire.What the universal healthcare advocates don't want you to know

[Guest guest]

You need to listen to Pastor Manning, posted by Kathy 8-4-09! What he says is true!

 

 

 

"rleeh2001" <rleeh2001oleander soup Sent: Sunday, August 2, 2009 10:50:18 PMRe: What the universal healthcare advocates don't want you to ...

 

Can't you people see behind the seen, Obama is doing just exactly what he need to do, you people need to look deeper than the surface to see what is really going on.

This is not business as usual, that ended with George Bush, this is a completely different chapter.

Obama is a Spiritual person, with intentions and a soul contract to bring Heaven to Earth, the Golden Age, have you ever read about those things, our entire government is sick and broken we don't want to save anything from the old government, we need to start completely over.

You need to be prepared to be self sustaining for around six months.

Our entire monetary system & financial system with crash completely, there will be nothing left you recognize, don't pay attention to what Obama is or isn't doing with Health Care,it make no differance, before too long we will not even need the medical system.

The Illuminati are the wealthy of the world, they own the IRS, Federal Reserve, the mint, our government has nothing to do with this private business, the US Marshals are another private business.

They print money on paper, call it currency loan it to our government for face value plus interest, it is worthless paper printed by a private business.

That is how Lincoln got killed, he printed money by the Government no interest, John Kennedy printed red money no interest, they killed him.

Do you need more?

Leave it up to Obama he will do what is right for all concerned.

He is very special and was born for this job to take us into the Golden Age, that is his purpose for being here.

Remember when he went to the G 20 summit earlier this year, the told him in London you do what we tell you to do with this financial situation or we will turn the bird flu loose on you, Obama told a General find out about this, and take care of it, Obama did not cave like all the rest, two weeks later they released the Swine, Bird, and six different human flu's all mixed together, and turned it loose in different places in the world.

There fixing another flu vaccine that will probably kill millions of people next, there working on it now. If the Spiritual Hierarchy doesn't take care of it, it will kill millions of people.

Sorry for getting carried away, you can not study on medical cures, it goes much further than that, you also need to spiritual to guide you, in the right direction.

Science will never get it right until they mix it with spiritual.

 

In a message dated 8/2/2009 11:57:26 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time, writes:

 

No, Sean, I am firmly in your corner and I believe that the universal healthcare bill is a huge boondoggle that will end up meting out drugs and treatments to older citizens, put the government in control of healthcare and ultimately grant even more domination of our healthcare to the evil world pharmaceutical empire.

What the universal healthcare advocates don't want you to know

[Guest guest]

he's a buffoon speaking a bit of obvious but exaggerated truth among a bunch of BS.

some kind of black rush limbaugh or something.

really funny for at least a while though. cracked me up good.

 

 

 

oleander soup oleander soup On Behalf Of Elizabeth DeedrickTuesday, August 04, 2009 11:29 PMoleander soup Subject: Re: What the universal healthcare advocates don't want you to ...

 

 

You need to listen to Pastor Manning, posted by Kathy 8-4-09! What he says is true!

[Guest guest]

Wow I cant believe im reading this here, in a cancer forum of all places? WTF?!

You sound like one of those cult guys!

 

Im a student of Kathara (up to level 2-3)myself among others, or the

Templar teachings in the DaVinci code movie. Where people were burned

on stakes in the dark ages by the catholic church.

 

http://www.katharateam.com/Nweb/Kathara_nw.htm

 

Its almost like studying Physics, in its complexities and breadth. But

so far i've not heard of a single person cured of cancer by that

discipline!

Theory is great,but how do you confirm if any of that is even real?

 

Please ask your teachers if they know of any Cancer protocols, and I

will try them and post results.

 

Jay

[Guest guest]

Tony!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

 

-

J

oleander soup

Wednesday, August 05, 2009 9:47 AM

Re: What the universal healthcare advocates don't want you to ...

Wow I cant believe im reading this here, in a cancer forum of all places? WTF?!You sound like one of those cult guys!Im a student of Kathara (up to level 2-3)myself among others, or theTemplar teachings in the DaVinci code movie. Where people were burnedon stakes in the dark ages by the catholic church.http://www.katharateam.com/Nweb/Kathara_nw.htmIts almost like studying Physics, in its complexities and breadth. Butso far i've not heard of a single person cured of cancer by thatdiscipline!Theory is great,but how do you confirm if any of that is even real?Please ask your teachers if they know of any Cancer protocols, and Iwill try them and post results.Jay

 

 

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I agree Jay. I understand the emotional responses being generated by the issue. But I think people need to take as unemotional look as they can and try to ignore those who try and sway them on an emotional only basis. The source of much of the disinfomation being put out is the insurance and drug companies who are trying to protect their monopolies. Like the tobacco companies before them they care nothing about the truth. Their misinformation is targeted at generating an emotional response, that bypasses the intelect, and sways people against universal health care. They have plenty of money and have bought a lot of supporters to help them. Everyone should ask themselves: Are you satisfied with the health care you get and its cost? Even if you are, at the rate that health care costs are soaring, will you be able to get health care at a cost you can afford in 10 years? Will your children and grandchildren? The great majority of people will have little or no health care without change. And I believe that change will only occur when rhere is a single payer government health care option open to everyone. People can choose to stay with the insurance they have if they want. However, competition from the government will lower health insurance and drug costs for everyone. There are many working hard to prevent passage of health care reform ann to turn public opinion against it. IMHO, if you want good health care you need to be politely vocal with your representatives in Congress to insure passage of single payer health care. Call, FAX and email them. Regularly. Whatever your political persuasion, attacking Obama on this issue and spreading the misinformation and lies of the insurance and drug companies works against getting affordable health care. If reform fails this time, it will be a very long time before the opportunity comes again. If ever. - Steveoleander soup <oleander soup >oleander soup <oleander soup >Wed Aug 05 08:47:48 2009Re: What the universal healthcare advocates don't want you to ... Wow I cant believe im reading this here, in a cancer forum of all places? WTF?!You sound like one of those cult guys!Im a student of Kathara (up to level 2-3)myself among others, or theTemplar teachings in the DaVinci code movie. Where people were burnedon stakes in the dark ages by the catholic church.http://www.katharateam.com/Nweb/Kathara_nw.htmIts almost like studying Physics, in its complexities and breadth. Butso far i've not heard of a single person cured of cancer by thatdiscipline!Theory is great,but how do you confirm if any of that is even real?Please ask your teachers if they know of any Cancer protocols, and Iwill try them and post results.Jay

[Guest guest]

Until the members of congress include themselves in the programs they legislate for us I prefer what I have. The governemt totally messes up anything they touch! This is not "healthcare"...if they were concerned about "care" then they should set up clinics and centers and give care to those who need it (more problems). This is about control and our loss of freedom!

 

 

 

"Norton, Steve" <stephen.nortonoleander soup Sent: Wednesday, August 5, 2009 11:50:35 AMRe: What the universal healthcare advocates don't want you to ...

 

I agree Jay. I understand the emotional responses being generated by the issue. But I think people need to take as unemotional look as they can and try to ignore those who try and sway them on an emotional only basis. The source of much of the disinfomation being put out is the insurance and drug companies who are trying to protect their monopolies. Like the tobacco companies before them they care nothing about the truth. Their misinformation is targeted at generating an emotional response, that bypasses the intelect, and sways people against universal health care. They have plenty of money and have bought a lot of supporters to help them. Everyone should ask themselves: Are you satisfied with the health care you get and its cost? Even if you are, at the rate that health care costs are soaring, will you be able to get health care at a cost you can afford in 10 years? Will your children and

grandchildren? The great majority of people will have little or no health care without change. And I believe that change will only occur when rhere is a single payer government health care option open to everyone. People can choose to stay with the insurance they have if they want. However, competition from the government will lower health insurance and drug costs for everyone. There are many working hard to prevent passage of health care reform ann to turn public opinion against it. IMHO, if you want good health care you need to be politely vocal with your representatives in Congress to insure passage of single payer health care. Call, FAX and email them. Regularly. Whatever your political persuasion, attacking Obama on this issue and spreading the misinformation and lies of the insurance and drug companies works against getting affordable health care. If reform fails this time, it will be a very long time before the opportunity

comes again. If ever. - Steve

 

 

oleander soup <oleander soup>oleander soup <oleander soup>Wed Aug 05 08:47:48 2009Re: What the universal healthcare advocates don't want you to ...

Wow I cant believe im reading this here, in a cancer forum of all places? WTF?!You sound like one of those cult guys!Im a student of Kathara (up to level 2-3)myself among others, or theTemplar teachings in the DaVinci code movie. Where people were burnedon stakes in the dark ages by the catholic church.http://www.katharat eam.com/Nweb/ Kathara_nw. htmIts almost like studying Physics, in its complexities and breadth. Butso far i've not heard of a single person cured of cancer by thatdiscipline!Theory is great,but how do you confirm if any of that is even real?Please ask your teachers if they know of any Cancer protocols, and Iwill try them and post results.Jay

[Guest guest]

i agree. all gov't health care including that offered all members of all 3

branches exec, leg, judicial, and all civil service should be the exact same

system that will be single payer offering to the public. nothing more,

nothing less.

all gov't would have the same freedom as the public to buy their own with

their own money. there must also be full disclosure of what health care is

used by all elected officials.

 

all congressional pay increases should be reviewed and voted on by the

public also. there's no check/balance on them voting themselves into fat

city while min wage is a bad joke that sits frozen for decades.

 

screw elitism.

 

 

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oleander soup

oleander soup On Behalf Of Sandy Barber

Wednesday, August 05, 2009 1:29 PM

oleander soup

Re: What the universal healthcare advocates

don't want you to ...

 

 

 

 

Until the members of congress include themselves in the programs

they legislate for us I prefer what I have. The governemt totally messes up

anything they touch! This is not " healthcare " ...if they were concerned

about " care " then they should set up clinics and centers and give care to

those who need it (more problems). This is about control and our loss of

freedom!

[Guest guest]

It's interesting that there are so many posts going around about health insurance and health care.

My friends, "health care" does not exist in the allopathic community of the United States!

Don't look for a naturopath or a massage therapist in a hospital.

They are persecuted where I live! They are always after me!

The health insurance policies I have reviewed will not pay for the doctors I prefer to see.

I'm sure the good folks in our group, all over the world, have the same problems.

 

So, Rich, what do we do?

 

Educate everyone you can see.

I've read ALL of the thousand's of pages, from both houses.

Piece of -------------------! I can't cuss on here!

Show them what these terrible people want to do.

STOP giving them donations.

AND

VOTE ALL OF THEM OUT!

Besides, I personally feel that two terms and out is enough.

The people HAVE to speak and speak loudly.

I love my family, and I will be protecting them.

In every way humanly possible. And yes, I have my .303 British ready.

No matter where we all live, isn't freedom one of the most important things?

Then, I charge all of you to get with it!

God Speed,

Rich

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

In a message dated 8/5/2009 2:03:52 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, brbrsa writes:

 

 

Until the members of congress include themselves in the programs they legislate for us I prefer what I have. The government totally messes up anything they touch! This is not "healthcare"...if they were concerned about "care" then they should set up clinics and centers and give care to those who need it (more problems). This is about control and our loss of freedom!

 

 

 

"Norton, Steve" <stephen.nortonoleander soup Sent: Wednesday, August 5, 2009 11:50:35 AMRe: What the universal healthcare advocates don't want you to ...

 

I agree Jay. I understand the emotional responses being generated by the issue. But I think people need to take as unemotional look as they can and try to ignore those who try and sway them on an emotional only basis. The source of much of the disinfomation being put out is the insurance and drug companies who are trying to protect their monopolies. Like the tobacco companies before them they care nothing about the truth. Their misinformation is targeted at generating an emotional response, that bypasses the intelect, and sways people against universal health care. They have plenty of money and have bought a lot of supporters to help them. Everyone should ask themselves: Are you satisfied with the health care you get and its cost? Even if you are, at the rate that health care costs are soaring, will you be able to get health care at a cost you can afford in 10 years? Will your children and grandchildren? The great majority of people will have little or no health care without change. And I believe that change will only occur when rhere is a single payer government health care option open to everyone. People can choose to stay with the insurance they have if they want. However, competition from the government will lower health insurance and drug costs for everyone. There are many working hard to prevent passage of health care reform ann to turn public opinion against it. IMHO, if you want good health care you need to be politely vocal with your representatives in Congress to insure passage of single payer health care. Call, FAX and email them. Regularly. Whatever your political persuasion, attacking Obama on this issue and spreading the misinformation and lies of the insurance and drug companies works against getting affordable health care. If reform fails this time, it will be a very long time before the opportunity comes again. If ever. - Steve

 

 

oleander soup <oleander soup>oleander soup <oleander soup>Wed Aug 05 08:47:48 2009Re: What the universal healthcare advocates don't want you to ...

Wow I cant believe im reading this here, in a cancer forum of all places? WTF?!You sound like one of those cult guys!Im a student of Kathara (up to level 2-3)myself among others, or theTemplar teachings in the DaVinci code movie. Where people were burnedon stakes in the dark ages by the catholic church.http://www.katharat eam.com/Nweb/ Kathara_nw. htmIts almost like studying Physics, in its complexities and breadth. Butso far i've not heard of a single person cured of cancer by thatdiscipline!Theory is great,but how do you confirm if any of that is even real?Please ask your teachers if they know of any Cancer protocols, and Iwill try them and post results.Jay

[Guest guest]

Yes J, what has ensued is an example of why I try for the most part to keep politics out of this groups's discussion. Like discussions about religion, it can be divisive and result in hard feelings - and the worst result is that it could turn people away from getting information that might make a difference in their lives and health.

However, as stated on the homepage this group is not only about cancer but also about natural health and healing in general and the universal healthcare does have implications on our health in general and, so long as it continues to funnel everyone into the mainstream system of side-effect laden drugs and managed illness, I felt it was germaine in this instance.

I am a bit confused by this part of your message:

"But so far i've not heard of a single person cured of cancer by that discipline! Theory is great,but how do you confirm if any of that is even real?

Please ask your teachers if they know of any Cancer protocols, and I will try them and post results."

Perhaps you could clarify a bit?

And just so you know, I too have studied the Knights Templar, the Hospitaliers, the New World Order and global elite, the Illuminati, the Bilderburg meetings, Bohemian Grove, the conspiracies of the International Bankers, the Rothschilds and much more. I just don't usually bring it to this forum.

All the best,

oleander soup , J <stealth.entry wrote:>> Wow I cant believe im reading this here, in a cancer forum of all places? WTF?!> You sound like one of those cult guys!> > Im a student of Kathara (up to level 2-3)myself among others, or the> Templar teachings in the DaVinci code movie. Where people were burned> on stakes in the dark ages by the catholic church.> > http://www.katharateam.com/Nweb/Kathara_nw.htm> > Its almost like studying Physics, in its complexities and breadth. But> so far i've not heard of a single person cured of cancer by that> discipline!> Theory is great,but how do you confirm if any of that is even real?> > Please ask your teachers if they know of any Cancer protocols, and I> will try them and post results.> > Jay>

[Guest guest]

YEAH Rich! Now your talking! Vote in the new blood, get the old and corrupt Out! That's what will make real "Change." Here in Kentucky, where I live, Ron Paul's son, Rand Paul, said he would run in this state if Jim Bunning was not. Jim Bunning is retiring! I hope the old saying stands true, "that the fruit don't fall far from the tree!" Elizabeth

 

 

 

"richmaj" <richmajoleander soup Sent: Wednesday, August 5, 2009 5:45:02 PMRe: What the universal healthcare advocates don't want you to ...

 

It's interesting that there are so many posts going around about health insurance and health care.

My friends, "health care" does not exist in the allopathic community of the United States!

Don't look for a naturopath or a massage therapist in a hospital.

They are persecuted where I live! They are always after me!

The health insurance policies I have reviewed will not pay for the doctors I prefer to see.

I'm sure the good folks in our group, all over the world, have the same problems.

 

So, Rich, what do we do?

 

Educate everyone you can see.

I've read ALL of the thousand's of pages, from both houses.

Piece of ------------ -------! I can't cuss on here!

Show them what these terrible people want to do.

STOP giving them donations.

AND

VOTE ALL OF THEM OUT!

Besides, I personally feel that two terms and out is enough.

The people HAVE to speak and speak loudly.

I love my family, and I will be protecting them.

In every way humanly possible. And yes, I have my .303 British ready.

No matter where we all live, isn't freedom one of the most important things?

Then, I charge all of you to get with it!

God Speed,

Rich

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

In a message dated 8/5/2009 2:03:52 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, brbrsa writes:

 

 

Until the members of congress include themselves in the programs they legislate for us I prefer what I have. The government totally messes up anything they touch! This is not "healthcare" ...if they were concerned about "care" then they should set up clinics and centers and give care to those who need it (more problems). This is about control and our loss of freedom!

 

 

 

"Norton, Steve" <stephen.norton@ ngc.com>oleander soupWednesday, August 5, 2009 11:50:35 AMRe: What the universal healthcare advocates don't want you to ...

 

I agree Jay. I understand the emotional responses being generated by the issue. But I think people need to take as unemotional look as they can and try to ignore those who try and sway them on an emotional only basis. The source of much of the disinfomation being put out is the insurance and drug companies who are trying to protect their monopolies. Like the tobacco companies before them they care nothing about the truth. Their misinformation is targeted at generating an emotional response, that bypasses the intelect, and sways people against universal health care. They have plenty of money and have bought a lot of supporters to help them. Everyone should ask themselves: Are you satisfied with the health care you get and its cost? Even if you are, at the rate that health care costs are soaring, will you be able to get health care at a cost you can afford in 10 years? Will your children and

grandchildren? The great majority of people will have little or no health care without change. And I believe that change will only occur when rhere is a single payer government health care option open to everyone. People can choose to stay with the insurance they have if they want. However, competition from the government will lower health insurance and drug costs for everyone. There are many working hard to prevent passage of health care reform ann to turn public opinion against it. IMHO, if you want good health care you need to be politely vocal with your representatives in Congress to insure passage of single payer health care. Call, FAX and email them. Regularly. Whatever your political persuasion, attacking Obama on this issue and spreading the misinformation and lies of the insurance and drug companies works against getting affordable health care. If reform fails this time, it will be a very long time before the opportunity

comes again. If ever. - Steve

 

 

oleander soup <oleander soup>oleander soup <oleander soup>Wed Aug 05 08:47:48 2009Re: What the universal healthcare advocates don't want you to ...

Wow I cant believe im reading this here, in a cancer forum of all places? WTF?!You sound like one of those cult guys!Im a student of Kathara (up to level 2-3)myself among others, or theTemplar teachings in the DaVinci code movie. Where people were burnedon stakes in the dark ages by the catholic church.http://www.katharat eam.com/Nweb/ Kathara_nw. htmIts almost like studying Physics, in its complexities and breadth. Butso far i've not heard of a single person cured of cancer by thatdiscipline!Theory is great,but how do you confirm if any of that is even real?Please ask your teachers if they know of any Cancer protocols, and Iwill try them and post results.Jay