CS in OS ... alt preservative? (and a surprise announcement)

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Unless you have a home silver maker like the Silver Bullet from Utopia Silver, it is not very economical to dilute 50/50 with colloidal silver - and when you do, you should store it in a dark bottle and dark place instead of refrigerating to prevent agglomeration of the silver particles.

But yes, that is what I did. It helps that I am presently at the location of the Utopia Silver Supplement company and there was no cost for using their primo colloidal silver.

Now, I will see who's paying attention. A new oleander capsule product from Marc Swanepoel is coming out in just a matter of days. It is all oleander and each capsule contains 50% more oleander than the S/OPC.

AND here is the clincher: Utopia Silver will be distributing it in the United States so that the shipping time will be 2-3 days with priority mail and 3-5 days with first class mail.

How bout that?

 

oleander soup , "bob Larson" <bobList wrote:>> you're diluting 50/50 with CSilver?> you mean a dose at a time or using CS in lieu of other preservative in a> whole batch or something?> i was wondering if the CS might react with something in the OSoup giving an> undesirable result.?> CS would be my choice of preservative if it works out to be a good one.> > > _____

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Now that just rocks Tony!

 

On 7/30/09, Tony wrote:

>

> Unless you have a home silver maker like the Silver Bullet from Utopia

> Silver, it is not very economical to dilute 50/50 with colloidal silver

> - and when you do, you should store it in a dark bottle and dark place

> instead of refrigerating to prevent agglomeration of the silver

> particles.

>

> But yes, that is what I did. It helps that I am presently at the

> location of the Utopia Silver Supplement company and there was no cost

> for using their primo colloidal silver.

>

> Now, I will see who's paying attention. A new oleander capsule product

> from Marc Swanepoel is coming out in just a matter of days. It is all

> oleander and each capsule contains 50% more oleander than the S/OPC.

>

> AND here is the clincher: Utopia Silver will be distributing it in the

> United States so that the shipping time will be 2-3 days with priority

> mail and 3-5 days with first class mail.

>

> How bout that?

>

> []

>

> >

>

> oleander soup , " bob Larson " <bobList wrote:

>>

>> you're diluting 50/50 with CSilver?

>> you mean a dose at a time or using CS in lieu of other preservative in

> a

>> whole batch or something?

>> i was wondering if the CS might react with something in the OSoup

> giving an

>> undesirable result.?

>> CS would be my choice of preservative if it works out to be a good

> one.

>>

>>

>> _____

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Tony,

 

That's great! Thanks to you, Utopia Silver, and Marc.

 

Bob

 

 

-

Tony

oleander soup

Thursday, July 30, 2009 4:56 PM

Re: CS in OS ... alt preservative? (and a surprise announcement)

 

Unless you have a home silver maker like the Silver Bullet from Utopia Silver, it is not very economical to dilute 50/50 with colloidal silver - and when you do, you should store it in a dark bottle and dark place instead of refrigerating to prevent agglomeration of the silver particles.

But yes, that is what I did. It helps that I am presently at the location of the Utopia Silver Supplement company and there was no cost for using their primo colloidal silver.

Now, I will see who's paying attention. A new oleander capsule product from Marc Swanepoel is coming out in just a matter of days. It is all oleander and each capsule contains 50% more oleander than the S/OPC.

AND here is the clincher: Utopia Silver will be distributing it in the United States so that the shipping time will be 2-3 days with priority mail and 3-5 days with first class mail.

How bout that?

 

oleander soup , "bob Larson" <bobList wrote:>> you're diluting 50/50 with CSilver?> you mean a dose at a time or using CS in lieu of other preservative in a> whole batch or something?> i was wondering if the CS might react with something in the OSoup giving an> undesirable result.?> CS would be my choice of preservative if it works out to be a good one.> > > _____

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Wow Tony, A new Oleander Capsule, 50% more! Sounds Great!

 

 

 

Tony oleander soup Sent: Thursday, July 30, 2009 6:56:31 PM Re: CS in OS ... alt preservative? (and a surprise announcement)

 

Unless you have a home silver maker like the Silver Bullet from Utopia Silver, it is not very economical to dilute 50/50 with colloidal silver - and when you do, you should store it in a dark bottle and dark place instead of refrigerating to prevent agglomeration of the silver particles.

But yes, that is what I did. It helps that I am presently at the location of the Utopia Silver Supplement company and there was no cost for using their primo colloidal silver.

Now, I will see who's paying attention. A new oleander capsule product from Marc Swanepoel is coming out in just a matter of days. It is all oleander and each capsule contains 50% more oleander than the S/OPC.

AND here is the clincher: Utopia Silver will be distributing it in the United States so that the shipping time will be 2-3 days with priority mail and 3-5 days with first class mail.

How bout that?

 

oleander soup, "bob Larson" <bobList wrote:>> you're diluting 50/50 with CSilver?> you mean a dose at a time or using CS in lieu of other preservative in a> whole batch or something?> i was wondering if the CS might react with something in the OSoup giving an> undesirable result.?> CS would be my choice of preservative if it works out to be a good one.> > > _____

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Hi Tony,As for the Utopia Silver Oleander pills vs the oleander / sutherlandia combo is there a preference? I think I remember reading the Sutherlandia bush made it more potent at least for hiv anyways, but I forget.Dave--- On Thu, 7/30/09, Tony wrote:Tony Re: CS in OS ... alt preservative? (and a surprise announcement)oleander soup Date: Thursday, July 30, 2009, 6:56 PM

 

 

Unless you have a home silver maker like the Silver Bullet from Utopia Silver, it is not very economical to dilute 50/50 with colloidal silver - and when you do, you should store it in a dark bottle and dark place instead of refrigerating to prevent agglomeration of the silver particles.

But yes, that is what I did. It helps that I am presently at the location of the Utopia Silver Supplement company and there was no cost for using their primo colloidal silver.

Now, I will see who's paying attention. A new oleander capsule product from Marc Swanepoel is coming out in just a matter of days. It is all oleander and each capsule contains 50% more oleander than the S/OPC.

AND here is the clincher: Utopia Silver will be distributing it in the United States so that the shipping time will be 2-3 days with priority mail and 3-5 days with first class mail.

How bout that?

 

oleander soup, "bob Larson" <bobList wrote:>> you're diluting 50/50 with CSilver?> you mean a dose at a time or using CS in lieu of other preservative in a> whole batch or something?> i was wondering if the CS might react with something in the OSoup giving an> undesirable result.?> CS would be my choice of preservative if it works out to be a good one.> > > _____

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Sutherlandia OPC was originally formulated to help address the HIV/AIDS

epidemic in South Africa. Sutherlandia frutescens has been an effective

herb for HIV/AIDS because it helps restore appetite and vigor and

alleviate some symptoms, but is not considered an essential for cancer,

unless perhaps there is wasting involved. Basically, it has always been

the oleander that is the cancer fighter and the new formulation is aimed

specifically at cancer.

 

Personally, for cancer I would definitely opt for the stronger oleander

only version and make sure to incorporate other cancer fighters and

healthy items as well, such as flaxseed/cottage cheese a la Budwig,

curcumin, RM-10 mushroom defense, colloidal silver, inositol/IP6, etc.,

as outlined in my suggested protocol.

 

And I would point out that the original patented medicine that served as

the model for both the herbal supplement and the home remedy version is

100% oleander extract.

 

 

 

oleander soup , david mung <davidmungdol

wrote:

>

> Hi Tony,

> As for the Utopia Silver Oleander pills vs the oleander / sutherlandia

combo is there a preference? I think I remember reading the Sutherlandia

bush made it more potent at least for hiv anyways, but I forget.

> Dave

> --- On Thu, 7/30/09, Tony wrote:

>

> Tony

> Re: CS in OS ... alt preservative? (and a

surprise announcement)

> oleander soup

> Thursday, July 30, 2009, 6:56 PM

>

>

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>

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Unless you have a home silver maker like the Silver Bullet from Utopia

Silver, it is not very economical to dilute 50/50 with colloidal silver

- and when you do, you should store it in a dark bottle and dark place

instead of refrigerating to prevent agglomeration of the silver

particles.

> But yes, that is what I did. It helps that I am presently at the

location of the Utopia Silver Supplement company and there was no cost

for using their primo colloidal silver.

> Now, I will see who's paying attention. A new oleander capsule

product from Marc Swanepoel is coming out in just a matter of days. It

is all oleander and each capsule contains 50% more oleander than the

S/OPC.

> AND here is the clincher: Utopia Silver will be distributing it in

the United States so that the shipping time will be 2-3 days with

priority mail and 3-5 days with first class mail.

> How bout that?

>

> >

> oleander soup, " bob Larson " bobList@ wrote:

> >

> > you're diluting 50/50 with CSilver?

> > you mean a dose at a time or using CS in lieu of other preservative

in a

> > whole batch or something?

> > i was wondering if the CS might react with something in the OSoup

giving an

> > undesirable result.?

> > CS would be my choice of preservative if it works out to be a good

one.

> >

> >

> > _____

>

[Guest guest]

Tony, Is the new oleander going to be in capsule form only? I get the liquid as I have thyroid cancer and my neck has swollen to about 2 to 3 times its size and I am having difficulty swallowing everything, even water. I fear I will not be able to consume it in capsule form due to my swallowing problems. Do you have any recommendations for this. While I think alot of it is due to the large tumors in my neck, I think some of it is just swelling maybe due to pressure and lymph congestion. I would do anything to get the swelling down even just a little bit. It is so uncomfortable. Also, I am glad is home and I hope she gets well soon. Take care.-Nicole-Tony oleander soup Sent: Friday, July 31, 2009 4:48:22 AM Re: CS in OS ... alt preservative? (and a surprise announcement)

 

 

 

Sutherlandia OPC was originally formulated to help address the HIV/AIDS

epidemic in South Africa. Sutherlandia frutescens has been an effective

herb for HIV/AIDS because it helps restore appetite and vigor and

alleviate some symptoms, but is not considered an essential for cancer,

unless perhaps there is wasting involved. Basically, it has always been

the oleander that is the cancer fighter and the new formulation is aimed

specifically at cancer.

 

Personally, for cancer I would definitely opt for the stronger oleander

only version and make sure to incorporate other cancer fighters and

healthy items as well, such as flaxseed/cottage cheese a la Budwig,

curcumin, RM-10 mushroom defense, colloidal silver, inositol/IP6, etc.,

as outlined in my suggested protocol.

 

And I would point out that the original patented medicine that served as

the model for both the herbal supplement and the home remedy version is

100% oleander extract.

 

 

oleander soup, david mung <davidmungdol@ ...>

wrote:

>

> Hi Tony,

> As for the Utopia Silver Oleander pills vs the oleander / sutherlandia

combo is there a preference? I think I remember reading the Sutherlandia

bush made it more potent at least for hiv anyways, but I forget.

> Dave

> --- On Thu, 7/30/09, Tony @.. . wrote:

>

> Tony @.. .

> Re: CS in OS ... alt preservative? (and a

surprise announcement)

> oleander soup

> Thursday, July 30, 2009, 6:56 PM

>

>

>

>

>

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>

>

>

>

>

>

>

Unless you have a home silver maker like the Silver Bullet from Utopia

Silver, it is not very economical to dilute 50/50 with colloidal silver

- and when you do, you should store it in a dark bottle and dark place

instead of refrigerating to prevent agglomeration of the silver

particles.

> But yes, that is what I did. It helps that I am presently at the

location of the Utopia Silver Supplement company and there was no cost

for using their primo colloidal silver.

> Now, I will see who's paying attention. A new oleander capsule

product from Marc Swanepoel is coming out in just a matter of days. It

is all oleander and each capsule contains 50% more oleander than the

S/OPC.

> AND here is the clincher: Utopia Silver will be distributing it in

the United States so that the shipping time will be 2-3 days with

priority mail and 3-5 days with first class mail.

> How bout that?

>

> >

> oleander soup, "bob Larson" bobList@ wrote:

> >

> > you're diluting 50/50 with CSilver?

> > you mean a dose at a time or using CS in lieu of other preservative

in a

> > whole batch or something?

> > i was wondering if the CS might react with something in the OSoup

giving an

> > undesirable result.?

> > CS would be my choice of preservative if it works out to be a good

one.

> >

> >

> > _____

>

[Guest guest]

Nicole,

The oleander without Sutherlandia product will only be in capsule form due to the manufacturing process. If one evaporates the water from 400ml (80% of 500) of the liquid extract, one gets an average of just under 4gm of powder. If this is distributed over 60 capsules, one ends up with 66mg per capsule. One capsule is therefore equivalent to 8.33 ml of a 500ml bottle. The oleander only capsules will contain 100mg oleander powder per capsule which is easy enough to produce. However, to get the same quantity via the liquid as in 2 x 100mg capsules, one will have to take 25 ml (5 teaspoons) instead of the earlier 16.7 ml (roughly 3 teaspoons).

 

Marc Swanepoel

 

 

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Nicole Gilbert

oleander soup

Friday, August 07, 2009 11:38 AM

Re: Re: CS in OS ... alt preservative? (and a surprise announcement)

 

 

Tony, Is the new oleander going to be in capsule form only? I get the liquid as I have thyroid cancer and my neck has swollen to about 2 to 3 times its size and I am having difficulty swallowing everything, even water. I fear I will not be able to consume it in capsule form due to my swallowing problems. Do you have any recommendations for this. While I think alot of it is due to the large tumors in my neck, I think some of it is just swelling maybe due to pressure and lymph congestion. I would do anything to get the swelling down even just a little bit. It is so uncomfortable. Also, I am glad is home and I hope she gets well soon. Take care.-Nicole-

 

 

 

Tony >oleander soup Sent: Friday, July 31, 2009 4:48:22 AM Re: CS in OS ... alt preservative? (and a surprise announcement)

Sutherlandia OPC was originally formulated to help address the HIV/AIDSepidemic in South Africa. Sutherlandia frutescens has been an effectiveherb for HIV/AIDS because it helps restore appetite and vigor andalleviate some symptoms, but is not considered an essential for cancer,unless perhaps there is wasting involved. Basically, it has always beenthe oleander that is the cancer fighter and the new formulation is aimedspecifically at cancer.Personally, for cancer I would definitely opt for the stronger oleanderonly version and make sure to incorporate other cancer fighters andhealthy items as well, such as flaxseed/cottage cheese a la Budwig,curcumin, RM-10 mushroom defense, colloidal silver, inositol/IP6, etc.,as outlined in my suggested protocol.And I would point out that the original patented medicine that served asthe model for both the herbal supplement and the home remedy version is100% oleander extract.Tonyoleander soup, david mung <davidmungdol@ ...>wrote:>> Hi Tony,> As for the Utopia Silver Oleander pills vs the oleander / sutherlandiacombo is there a preference? I think I remember reading the Sutherlandiabush made it more potent at least for hiv anyways, but I forget.> Dave> --- On Thu, 7/30/09, Tony @.. . wrote:>> Tony @.. .> Re: CS in OS ... alt preservative? (and asurprise announcement)> oleander soup> Thursday, July 30, 2009, 6:56 PM>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Unless you have a home silver maker like the Silver Bullet from UtopiaSilver, it is not very economical to dilute 50/50 with colloidal silver- and when you do, you should store it in a dark bottle and dark placeinstead of refrigerating to prevent agglomeration of the silverparticles.> But yes, that is what I did. It helps that I am presently at thelocation of the Utopia Silver Supplement company and there was no costfor using their primo colloidal silver.> Now, I will see who's paying attention. A new oleander capsuleproduct from Marc Swanepoel is coming out in just a matter of days. Itis all oleander and each capsule contains 50% more oleander than theS/OPC.> AND here is the clincher: Utopia Silver will be distributing it inthe United States so that the shipping time will be 2-3 days withpriority mail and 3-5 days with first class mail.> How bout that?>> Tony>> oleander soup, "bob Larson" bobList@ wrote:> >> > you're diluting 50/50 with CSilver?> > you mean a dose at a time or using CS in lieu of other preservativein a> > whole batch or something?> > i was wondering if the CS might react with something in the OSoupgiving an> > undesirable result.?> > CS would be my choice of preservative if it works out to be a goodone.> >> >> > _____>

[Guest guest]

Nicole,

 

Prayers & blessings to you.

Are you also learning from Stephanie, who is a survivor, on her group 'Iodine'?

If not, I highly recommend it.

 

Judy

 

oleander soup , Nicole Gilbert <ngilbert4787 wrote:

>

> Tony,

> Is the new oleander going to be in capsule form only? I get the liquid as

I have thyroid cancer and my neck has swollen to about 2 to 3 times its size and

I am having difficulty swallowing everything, even water. I fear I will not be

able to consume it in capsule form due to my swallowing problems. Do you have

any recommendations for this. While I think alot of it is due to the large

tumors in my neck, I think some of it is just swelling maybe due to pressure and

lymph congestion. I would do anything to get the swelling down even just a

little bit. It is so uncomfortable. Also, I am glad is home and I hope

she gets well soon. Take care.

> -Nicole-

>

>

>

>

> ________________________________

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[Guest guest]

Judy, I have not looked into iodine as I do not have a thyroid gland at all anymore and I thought it might not be useful. I have heard it mentioned that it could aggravate thyroid cancer cells that have traveled to other places in the body. I do not know if that is true but since I have metastasis, that scared me a way a little.-Nicole-Judith <judithmargoleander soup Sent: Friday, August 7, 2009 9:46:58 AM Re: CS in OS ... alt preservative? (and a surprise announcement)

 

 

Nicole,

 

Prayers & blessings to you.

Are you also learning from Stephanie, who is a survivor, on her group 'Iodine'?

If not, I highly recommend it.

 

Judy

 

oleander soup, Nicole Gilbert <ngilbert4787@ ...> wrote:

>

> Tony,

> Is the new oleander going to be in capsule form only? I get the liquid as I have thyroid cancer and my neck has swollen to about 2 to 3 times its size and I am having difficulty swallowing everything, even water. I fear I will not be able to consume it in capsule form due to my swallowing problems. Do you have any recommendations for this. While I think alot of it is due to the large tumors in my neck, I think some of it is just swelling maybe due to pressure and lymph congestion. I would do anything to get the swelling down even just a little bit. It is so uncomfortable. Also, I am glad is home and I hope she gets well soon. Take care.

> -Nicole-

>

>

>

>

> ____________ _________ _________ __

>

[Guest guest]

Hi Nicole,

Actually, iodine supplementation is very beneficial when it comes to cancer. Below is an exerpt from The Natural Anti-Cancer Protocol .

Be Sure to Take These Cancer Fighting Minerals

Make sure you have plenty of iodine, selenium, magnesium, potassium, zinc, vitamin C, calcium and Vitamin D. All have been proven to be essential in beating and avoiding cancer. As mentioned above, cancer cells have lost the ability to be shut off by the body in what is called cellular apoptosis. These cancerous cells simply become abnormal and outlive the other cells in their normal cell life/replacement cycle and end up crowding out a territory over time. Iodine goes in and both does away with the surrounding cyst where cancer has set up residence and then also goes in and allows the specific shut down of the individual cells that are abnormal, diseased, or beset w/ pathogens to make room for new cells.

 

Some notes on iodine and selenium:

 

 

Many people who take iodine and selenium take far too little for maximum therapeutic benefit. Both elemental iodine and potassium iodine should be taken and the total amount of iodine should be 100mg or more, perhaps beginning at 50mg and working up.

 

Magnascent is a good form or elemental iodine. Lugols is also widely used. Since Lugols contains both elemental iodine and potassium iodine, the total amount of iodine one can take with Lugols is 300 mg.

 

Selenium MUST be taken with iodine in order for iodine to be effective.

 

The best form of supplemental selenium for fighting cancer appears to be methylselenocysteine. The most common form of supplemental selenium is selenomethionine whose general proteins have no anticancer activity. Another form, sodium selenite is more frequently metabolized to the toxic metabolite hydrogen selenide (H2Se), which does have anticancer effects but is more toxic than selenomethionine. Its primary mode of killing cancer cells (and at high levels, normal cells) is through the process of cell necrosis. Cell necrosis provokes inflammation and may kill healthy cells along with cancer cells.

 

The recommended form of selenium, methyselenocysteine is found naturally in some vegetables including garlic, brassicas, leeks, and onions, especially when these are grown in high selenium soil. Methylselenocysteine is easily converted to methylselenol which has been demonstrated to be an effective anticancer form of selenium. Rather than killing cancer cells by necrosis, methylselenol kills cancer cells through apoptosis. Apoptosis is an orderly process of cellular self-destruction that does not provoke inflammatory responses. Methylselenol is also known to inhibit angiogenesis in beginning cancer tumors. Angiogenesis, the creation of new blood vessels, is necessary for cancer cells to grow into a tumor. For cancer prevention, doses of 200 to 400 mcg of methylselenocysteine are generally considered safe without medical supervision. Nutritionally-oriented physicians may use as much as 900 to 2,000 mcg selenium from methylselenocysteine daily as part of a comprehensive cancer treatment protocol.

oleander soup , Nicole Gilbert <ngilbert4787 wrote:>> > > Judy,> I have not looked into iodine as I do not have a thyroid gland at all anymore and I thought it might not be useful. I have heard it mentioned that it could aggravate thyroid cancer cells that have traveled to other places in the body. I do not know if that is true but since I have metastasis, that scared me a way a little.> -Nicole->