Guest guest Posted July 27, 2009 Report Share Posted July 27, 2009 Hello this question is directed more toward Tony, or Mark but anyone please feel free to chime in. I went ahead and bought NAC ipf-inostitol, some super enzymes, and curcumin. Please remember when answering that this is all for my child who is only 7 years old. He has been taking his opc for about a month now, since Reid doesn't have any real symptoms of his brain tumor I can't give you any ideas on if he feels better etc, his answer is always " I feel fine " Anyhow, am I supposed to follow the directions on the bottles or is there a seperate recommendation. As I recall it the anti cancer protocol just says take them. I just am lost at how much. I still need to order the silver and will do so soon but will need to know what is appropriate for a 7 yo. I think at one time one of you told me but I'm having net problems right now and can't view it (grrrrr) I know the enzymes r on an empty stomach but how often? The NAC says 1 tablet a day its 600mg, is that okay? The ip6/inostitol is 800mg ip-6 and 220 inostitol and says 2 tablets twice a day. It also has calcium 130mg phosphorus 190mg and magnesium 40mg in it which I didn't realise until I got home and opened it, is that okay? (Sigh) this is so hard and confusing and it not like its me or my body I could screw up, its my childs. He has his next MRI to check on what his tumor is doing on aug 12, its been 3 months since last check and I hope and pray that it continues to be a very small abnormal looking spot with no enhancement and no growth. Thank you all for your help. Rhonda www.caringbridge.org/visit/reidebrom -- Sent from my mobile device Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 27, 2009 Report Share Posted July 27, 2009 Normally, a rule of thumb is to adjust according to body weight and figure that 150-180 pounds is the weight for adult doses; however, for Inositol/IP6 the amount on the bottle (as is typical of most supplements) is more for a maintenance dose and not a therapeutic one. In the case of the inositol/IP6 the therapeutic dose for adults fighting cancer is 12-16 capsules per day. Likewise, the colloidal silver daily dose of only a couple of teaspoons is far below a dose to fight cancer and other serious conditions with. If it were me, I would give my child at least an ounce per day for the first few weeks and perhaps reduce that to half an ounce later on. One thing you might want to look into is Dong Quai. The natural compound n-butylidenephthalide derived from Angelica sinensis inhibits malignant brain tumor growth in vitro and in vivo. See, for example: http://biblioteca.universia.net/html_bura/ficha/params/id/22686208.html But, like all things, research the item fully before leaping in. Here is one place to start: http://www.nlm.nih.gov/medlineplus/druginfo/natural/patient-dongquai.html As far as the N-Acetyl Cysteine, Marc is much more familiar with that and would be the best source to advise about dosing. All the best - and please keep us posted. I hope you have a great MRI result in August - but do remember that oleander works slowly with cancers and usually over a period of months first slows the growth, then stops the growth and finally reduces the tumor until the cancer is beaten or at least contained. oleander soup , rhonda ebrom <dipghater wrote:>> Hello this question is directed more toward Tony, or Mark but> anyone please feel free to chime in.> I went ahead and bought NAC ipf-inostitol, some super enzymes,> and curcumin. Please remember when answering that this is all for my> child who is only 7 years old. He has been taking his opc for about a> month now, since Reid doesn't have any real symptoms of his brain> tumor I can't give you any ideas on if he feels better etc, his answer> is always "I feel fine" Anyhow, am I supposed to follow the directions> on the bottles or is there a seperate recommendation. As I recall it> the anti cancer protocol just says take them. I just am lost at how> much. I still need to order the silver and will do so soon but will> need to know what is appropriate for a 7 yo. I think at one time one> of you told me but I'm having net problems right now and can't view it> (grrrrr) I know the enzymes r on an empty stomach but how often? The> NAC says 1 tablet a day its 600mg, is that okay? The ip6/inostitol is> 800mg ip-6 and 220 inostitol and says 2 tablets twice a day. It also> has calcium 130mg phosphorus 190mg and magnesium 40mg in it which I> didn't realise until I got home and opened it, is that okay? (Sigh)> this is so hard and confusing and it not like its me or my body I> could screw up, its my childs.> He has his next MRI to check on what his tumor is doing on aug> 12, its been 3 months since last check and I hope and pray that it> continues to be a very small abnormal looking spot with no enhancement> and no growth. Thank you all for your help.> Rhonda> www.caringbridge.org/visit/reidebrom> > -- > Sent from my mobile device> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 27, 2009 Report Share Posted July 27, 2009 Hi Rhonda,Your post has touched my heart, in particular this one sentence:this is so hard and confusing and it not like its me or my body I could screw up, its my childs.I know what you mean. Our children are the most precious gifts given to us.I am praying that you see results on August 12th. However, if for some reason you do not get the anticipated results, please do not despair. Please realize that he has only been on this protocol for a short time. This does not mean that what you are doing is not working, only that it may take a little more time to see results. Reid has only been on OPC and The Natural Anti-Cancer Protocol for a month. Yet, some people do see good results in a short time frame.My thoughts and prayers are with you. I believe it's going to be okay.Hugs,oleander soup , rhonda ebrom <dipghater wrote:>> Hello this question is directed more toward Tony, or Mark but> anyone please feel free to chime in.> I went ahead and bought NAC ipf-inostitol, some super enzymes,> and curcumin. Please remember when answering that this is all for my> child who is only 7 years old. He has been taking his opc for about a> month now, since Reid doesn't have any real symptoms of his brain> tumor I can't give you any ideas on if he feels better etc, his answer> is always "I feel fine" Anyhow, am I supposed to follow the directions> on the bottles or is there a seperate recommendation. As I recall it> the anti cancer protocol just says take them. I just am lost at how> much. I still need to order the silver and will do so soon but will> need to know what is appropriate for a 7 yo. I think at one time one> of you told me but I'm having net problems right now and can't view it> (grrrrr) I know the enzymes r on an empty stomach but how often? The> NAC says 1 tablet a day its 600mg, is that okay? The ip6/inostitol is> 800mg ip-6 and 220 inostitol and says 2 tablets twice a day. It also> has calcium 130mg phosphorus 190mg and magnesium 40mg in it which I> didn't realise until I got home and opened it, is that okay? (Sigh)> this is so hard and confusing and it not like its me or my body I> could screw up, its my childs.> He has his next MRI to check on what his tumor is doing on aug> 12, its been 3 months since last check and I hope and pray that it> continues to be a very small abnormal looking spot with no enhancement> and no growth. Thank you all for your help.> Rhonda> www.caringbridge.org/visit/reidebrom> > -- > Sent from my mobile device> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 27, 2009 Report Share Posted July 27, 2009 Opc aside remember his tumor shrunk phenominally with the radiation, I'm just hoping it stays that way period, I'm not worried about the opc/ protocol because I know its not been long enough however if I saw a little bit of " growth " I would be inclined to be really excited because then I would feel pretty confident that it was the opc etc. Its actually pretty amazing that he is almost 6 months from dx and still is doing really well, I just pray that the tumor is still as small because in my mind that just gives us more time to fight it! I'm going to give him 6 ip6 per day (half the adult dose since he is 70lbs and roughly half my size). I'm going to give him the enzyme 3 x a day, still unsure about curcumin and NAC. Its getting hard he doesn't want to take the pills won't take the opc unless its in orange juice so I get him organic oj, and he always asks me why is it for his headaches ( he doesn't understand since he hasn't had one in months) he says they are gone so he doesn't need it. Not ready to spill the beans about his " tumor " so I just tell him they are supplements like vitamins and the oj stuff is for his headaches so we make sure they don't come back. Sigh. Please pray the day never comes when I have to tell him he has brain cancer..... That would mean we were losing him and I don't plan on it!!!!! Thank you all Rhonda www.caringbridge.org/visit/reidebrom On 7/27/09, May <luellamay129 wrote: > Hi Rhonda, > > Your post has touched my heart, in particular this one sentence: > > this is so hard and confusing and it not like its me or my body I > could screw up, its my childs. > > I know what you mean. Our children are the most precious gifts given to > us. > > I am praying that you see results on August 12th. However, if for some > reason you do not get the anticipated results, please do not despair. > Please realize that he has only been on this protocol for a short time. > This does not mean that what you are doing is not working, only that it > may take a little more time to see results. Reid has only been on OPC > and The Natural Anti-Cancer Protocol for a month. Yet, some people do > see good results in a short time frame. > > My thoughts and prayers are with you. I believe it's going to be okay. > > Hugs, > > > > oleander soup , rhonda ebrom <dipghater wrote: >> >> Hello this question is directed more toward Tony, or Mark but >> anyone please feel free to chime in. >> I went ahead and bought NAC ipf-inostitol, some super enzymes, >> and curcumin. Please remember when answering that this is all for my >> child who is only 7 years old. He has been taking his opc for about a >> month now, since Reid doesn't have any real symptoms of his brain >> tumor I can't give you any ideas on if he feels better etc, his answer >> is always " I feel fine " Anyhow, am I supposed to follow the directions >> on the bottles or is there a seperate recommendation. As I recall it >> the anti cancer protocol just says take them. I just am lost at how >> much. I still need to order the silver and will do so soon but will >> need to know what is appropriate for a 7 yo. I think at one time one >> of you told me but I'm having net problems right now and can't view it >> (grrrrr) I know the enzymes r on an empty stomach but how often? The >> NAC says 1 tablet a day its 600mg, is that okay? The ip6/inostitol is >> 800mg ip-6 and 220 inostitol and says 2 tablets twice a day. It also >> has calcium 130mg phosphorus 190mg and magnesium 40mg in it which I >> didn't realise until I got home and opened it, is that okay? (Sigh) >> this is so hard and confusing and it not like its me or my body I >> could screw up, its my childs. >> He has his next MRI to check on what his tumor is doing on aug >> 12, its been 3 months since last check and I hope and pray that it >> continues to be a very small abnormal looking spot with no enhancement >> and no growth. Thank you all for your help. >> Rhonda >> www.caringbridge.org/visit/reidebrom >> >> -- >> Sent from my mobile device >> > > -- Sent from my mobile device Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 27, 2009 Report Share Posted July 27, 2009 Rhonda,We will do everything in our power to make sure that that day never comes.Hugs,oleander soup , rhonda ebrom <dipghater wrote:>> Opc aside remember his tumor shrunk phenominally with the radiation,> I'm just hoping it stays that way period, I'm not worried about the> opc/ protocol because I know its not been long enough however if I saw> a little bit of "growth" I would be inclined to be really excited> because then I would feel pretty confident that it was the opc etc.> Its actually pretty amazing that he is almost 6 months from dx and> still is doing really well, I just pray that the tumor is still as> small because in my mind that just gives us more time to fight it!> I'm going to give him 6 ip6 per day (half the adult dose since he> is 70lbs and roughly half my size). I'm going to give him the enzyme 3> x a day, still unsure about curcumin and NAC. Its getting hard he> doesn't want to take the pills won't take the opc unless its in orange> juice so I get him organic oj, and he always asks me why is it for his> headaches ( he doesn't understand since he hasn't had one in months)> he says they are gone so he doesn't need it. Not ready to spill the> beans about his "tumor" so I just tell him they are supplements like> vitamins and the oj stuff is for his headaches so we make sure they> don't come back. Sigh. Please pray the day never comes when I have> to tell him he has brain cancer..... That would mean we were losing> him and I don't plan on it!!!!! Thank you all> Rhonda> www.caringbridge.org/visit/reidebrom> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 28, 2009 Report Share Posted July 28, 2009 Hi Rhonda, I have 4 brain tumors and I am constantly researching ways to attack them. This morning I 'googled' clomipramine pilkington and there is some good evidence that this anti-depressant is effective with gliomas. Cheryl oleander soup , " May " <luellamay129 wrote: > > Rhonda, > > We will do everything in our power to make sure that that day never > comes. > > Hugs, > > > oleander soup , rhonda ebrom <dipghater@> wrote: > > > > Opc aside remember his tumor shrunk phenominally with the radiation, > > I'm just hoping it stays that way period, I'm not worried about the > > opc/ protocol because I know its not been long enough however if I saw > > a little bit of " growth " I would be inclined to be really excited > > because then I would feel pretty confident that it was the opc etc. > > Its actually pretty amazing that he is almost 6 months from dx and > > still is doing really well, I just pray that the tumor is still as > > small because in my mind that just gives us more time to fight it! > > I'm going to give him 6 ip6 per day (half the adult dose since he > > is 70lbs and roughly half my size). I'm going to give him the enzyme 3 > > x a day, still unsure about curcumin and NAC. Its getting hard he > > doesn't want to take the pills won't take the opc unless its in orange > > juice so I get him organic oj, and he always asks me why is it for his > > headaches ( he doesn't understand since he hasn't had one in months) > > he says they are gone so he doesn't need it. Not ready to spill the > > beans about his " tumor " so I just tell him they are supplements like > > vitamins and the oj stuff is for his headaches so we make sure they > > don't come back. Sigh. Please pray the day never comes when I have > > to tell him he has brain cancer..... That would mean we were losing > > him and I don't plan on it!!!!! Thank you all > > Rhonda > > www.caringbridge.org/visit/reidebrom > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 29, 2009 Report Share Posted July 29, 2009 Cheryl, Thank you for bringing that drug to my attention. My Luke has been having mood swings believed to be due to his pontine tumor. His oncologist was considering prescribing an anti-depressant, so this should work right in. Great investigating! Darren (Luke's dad) http://www.caringbridge.org/visit/lukepollok oleander soup , " cherylcampbell55 " <cheryl.s.campbell wrote: > > Hi Rhonda, > I have 4 brain tumors and I am constantly researching ways to attack them. This morning I 'googled' clomipramine pilkington and there is some good evidence that this anti-depressant is effective with gliomas. > Cheryl > > oleander soup , " May " <luellamay129@> wrote: > > > > Rhonda, > > > > We will do everything in our power to make sure that that day never > > comes. > > > > Hugs, > > > > > > oleander soup , rhonda ebrom <dipghater@> wrote: > > > > > > Opc aside remember his tumor shrunk phenominally with the radiation, > > > I'm just hoping it stays that way period, I'm not worried about the > > > opc/ protocol because I know its not been long enough however if I saw > > > a little bit of " growth " I would be inclined to be really excited > > > because then I would feel pretty confident that it was the opc etc. > > > Its actually pretty amazing that he is almost 6 months from dx and > > > still is doing really well, I just pray that the tumor is still as > > > small because in my mind that just gives us more time to fight it! > > > I'm going to give him 6 ip6 per day (half the adult dose since he > > > is 70lbs and roughly half my size). I'm going to give him the enzyme 3 > > > x a day, still unsure about curcumin and NAC. Its getting hard he > > > doesn't want to take the pills won't take the opc unless its in orange > > > juice so I get him organic oj, and he always asks me why is it for his > > > headaches ( he doesn't understand since he hasn't had one in months) > > > he says they are gone so he doesn't need it. Not ready to spill the > > > beans about his " tumor " so I just tell him they are supplements like > > > vitamins and the oj stuff is for his headaches so we make sure they > > > don't come back. Sigh. Please pray the day never comes when I have > > > to tell him he has brain cancer..... That would mean we were losing > > > him and I don't plan on it!!!!! Thank you all > > > Rhonda > > > www.caringbridge.org/visit/reidebrom > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 31, 2009 Report Share Posted July 31, 2009 Cheryl, Thanks so much for the link to information on clomipramine. My son-in-law has GBM, and his chemo and radiation was declared a failure, as he had 20-30% regrowth after treatment. The amazing thing is, he had an MRI yesterday (last MRI 1 1/2 mo ago) and it showed NO ADDITIONAL GROWTH! The Dr.'s are stunned, as well as all of us, as to how this happened! After reading the information on clomipramine, it came to mind that my son-in-law was prescribed Lexapro 2 months ago!!(He has been on NO cancer treatment for several months, as his platelet count is too low-Thank God!) This is the only explanation we can come up with, Lexapro...and it's all due to your post!!The article does say they think the other SSRI's showed promise in being effective in stopping tumor growth. I was wondering how you knew about clomipramine? I found very little other info when I did my search on this subject?? Does anyone know of others who have experienced no tumor growth while on SSRI's?? > Thank you so much Cheryl for the information, Ann > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 1, 2009 Report Share Posted August 1, 2009 I'm glad the information came in handy Ann, and also pleased to hear that your son-in-law is doing well. Another thing I am researching (been a researcher all my life) is the work of Bert Berkson MD, you can Google his videos etc. and I also have a link for a conference he did in the UK in May. He uses Low Dose Naltrexone and Alpha Lipoic Acid (which crossed the brain barrier) to treat some cancers. Stay in touch, and I hope the good news continues. I am going through whole brain radiation at the moment. Finished 7, 3 left to go....hoping this will stop the growth and give me some time to use Oleander and a few other tricks to stabalize this thing. Cheryl oleander soup , " ann42268 " <bcox242 wrote: > > Cheryl, > Thanks so much for the link to information on clomipramine. > My son-in-law has GBM, and his chemo and radiation was declared a failure, as he had 20-30% regrowth after treatment. > > The amazing thing is, he had an MRI yesterday (last MRI 1 1/2 mo ago) and it showed NO ADDITIONAL GROWTH! The Dr.'s are stunned, as well as all of us, as to how this happened! After reading the information on clomipramine, it came to mind that my son-in-law was prescribed Lexapro 2 months ago!!(He has been on NO cancer treatment for several months, as his platelet count is too low-Thank God!) > This is the only explanation we can come up with, Lexapro...and it's all due to your post!!The article does say they think the other SSRI's showed promise in being effective in stopping tumor growth. > > I was wondering how you knew about clomipramine? I found very little other info when I did my search on this subject?? > > Does anyone know of others who have experienced no tumor growth while on SSRI's?? > > > Thank you so much Cheryl for the information, > Ann > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 2, 2009 Report Share Posted August 2, 2009 Thanks so much for info on Berksons video. I will follow up on that. Have you heard of Avastin, which was approved recently for brain cancer patients? My SNL is scheduled to take this treatment, as it reduces tumor size. My question is,do you, or can you take OPC along with conventional medical treatments?? I have searched and can't find the answer. I am hoping he can take Avastin and OPC. (because he is going to do what his Dr.'s recommend)If so, do you take the OPC at a lower dose? Thanks for any insight that you, or others, can give me. I have a real battle on my hands, trying to get him to try alternative methods, which I know are much more effective than what he has taken. Thanks again, Ann oleander soup , " cherylcampbell55 " <cheryl.s.campbell wrote: > > I'm glad the information came in handy Ann, and also pleased to hear that your son-in-law is doing well. > > Another thing I am researching (been a researcher all my life) is the work of Bert Berkson MD, you can Google his videos etc. and I also have a link for a conference he did in the UK in May. He uses Low Dose Naltrexone and Alpha Lipoic Acid (which crossed the brain barrier) to treat some cancers. > > Stay in touch, and I hope the good news continues. I am going through whole brain radiation at the moment. Finished 7, 3 left to go....hoping this will stop the growth and give me some time to use Oleander and a few other tricks to stabalize this thing. > > Cheryl Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 2, 2009 Report Share Posted August 2, 2009 Hi Ann,Let me post a link with regard to Avastin and its effect on colon cancer. http://www.reuters.com/article/businessNews/idUSTRE53L19L20090422 My question is, would it have a significant effect on brain cancer, or is this just another ploy by Big Pharma to increase their profits? Maybe the following exerpt from the article will shed some light.Despite the setback, Roche's head of pharmaceuticals, Bill Burns, said Avastin could still sell 8 billion to 9 billion francs by 2011, simply in treating advanced metastatic cancers.Oleander is compatible with all types of conventional methods and if you should choose to go the Avastin route, I would encourage you to take Oleander. In fact, we encourage the use of Oleander regardless of the means implemented to address cancer. The only thing that Oleander is not compatible with is Protocel.I would also like to provide the following link with regard to side effects which you should read through carefully. Has your doctor mentioned these?http://www.drugs.com/avastin.html Ann, have you considered just addressing your SNL's brain cancer naturally? Oleander is very effective against brain cancer as it passes the blood/brain barrier. Frankly, Avastin does not look very promising, not to mention that conventional methods do more to harm than good.Besides Oleander, you should incorporate The Natural Anti-Cancer Protocol which addresses cancer from its source, a weakened immune system. In my opinion, this is the most effective way to address the cancer, actually, all types of cancer.My Best, Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 2, 2009 Report Share Posted August 2, 2009 , I agree with you and Tony 100% on this subject...my SNL, up to this point, would just agree to conventional medicine (which the chemo & radiation were a " treatment failure " .) Now, I think this might be the time I can convince him to rethink alternative measures!! I am gathering my info (loading my guns ) for my big push for him to use oleander and more of Tony's Cancer Protocal!! I totally agree that Avistan is just one more waste of $$ and his time here on earth.(he has GBM-stage 4) I just wanted to make SURE that he can take the oleander with Avistan, if that is the best I can convince him to do. , thanks so much for more ammunition !! Ann oleander soup , " May " <luellamay129 wrote: > > Hi Ann, > > Let me post a link with regard to Avastin and its effect on colon > cancer. > > http://www.reuters.com/article/businessNews/idUSTRE53L19L20090422 > <http://www.reuters.com/article/businessNews/idUSTRE53L19L20090422> > My question is, would it have a significant effect on brain cancer, or > is this just another ploy by Big Pharma to increase their profits? > Maybe the following exerpt from the article will shed some light. > > Despite the setback, Roche's head of pharmaceuticals, Bill Burns, said > Avastin could still sell 8 billion to 9 billion francs by 2011, simply > in treating advanced metastatic cancers. > > Oleander is compatible with all types of conventional methods and if you > should choose to go the Avastin route, I would encourage you to take > Oleander. In fact, we encourage the use of Oleander regardless of the > means implemented to address cancer. The only thing that Oleander is > not compatible with is Protocel. > > I would also like to provide the following link with regard to side > effects which you should read through carefully. Has your doctor > mentioned these? > > http://www.drugs.com/avastin.html <http://www.drugs.com/avastin.html> > > Ann, have you considered just addressing your SNL's brain cancer > naturally? Oleander is very effective against brain cancer as it passes > the blood/brain barrier. Frankly, Avastin does not look very promising, > not to mention that conventional methods do more to harm than good. > > Besides Oleander, you should incorporate The Natural Anti-Cancer > Protocol </anticancer.htm> which addresses cancer > from its source, a weakened immune system. In my opinion, this is the > most effective way to address the cancer, actually, all types of cancer. > > My Best, > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 2, 2009 Report Share Posted August 2, 2009 Oh, bless your heart Ann. I understand completely and I do hope you are able to convince him to address his cancer naturally. Maybe you can point out that nothing has worked and that despite what the doctors state, Avistan is a failure and comes with very dangerous side effects. We are here to support you Ann.Hugs, Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 2, 2009 Report Share Posted August 2, 2009 Oleander is compatible with every chemo drug I am aware of - though some unkowing oncologists, such as the ones who recommend against taking antioxidants during chemo, might differ because their approach is to suppress the natural immune system and try to poison off the cancer cells at the same time they poison off healthy cells in a race between eliminating the cancer before they eliminate the patient. It is a race they often lose and even when they don't, the cancer patient's major organs (especially the liver) and immune system is so weakened and impaired that the way is paved for the return of cancer with even less natural immunity to fight it with. It is with very good reason, btw, that chemo drugs are themselves class I carcinogens. Oleander, when used as a CAM along with chemo, both potentiates the chemo and also either greatly lessens or eliminates virtually all known side effects, including hair loss. The sole exception I am aware of is that oleander does not eliminate hair loss when the chemo drug of choice is Cisplatin. Two articles of mine you might wish to share with SNL are: Modern Medicine versus Nature in Treating Cancer (/MMvsNature.htm) Hiding the Truth about Losing the War on Cancer http://tbyil.com/waroncancer.htm All the best, oleander soup , "ann42268" <bcox242 wrote:>> ,> I agree with you and Tony 100% on this subject...my SNL, up to this point, would just agree to conventional medicine (which the chemo & radiation were a "treatment failure".) Now, I think this might be the time I can convince him to rethink alternative measures!! I am gathering my info (loading my guns ) for my big push for him to use oleander and more of Tony's Cancer Protocal!! I totally agree that Avistan is just one more waste of $$ and his time here on earth.(he has GBM-stage 4)> I just wanted to make SURE that he can take the oleander with Avistan, if that is the best I can convince him to do.> , thanks so much for more ammunition !!> Ann> > > oleander soup , " May" luellamay129@ wrote:> >> > Hi Ann,> >> > Let me post a link with regard to Avastin and its effect on colon> > cancer.> >> > http://www.reuters.com/article/businessNews/idUSTRE53L19L20090422> > <http://www.reuters.com/article/businessNews/idUSTRE53L19L20090422>> > My question is, would it have a significant effect on brain cancer, or> > is this just another ploy by Big Pharma to increase their profits?> > Maybe the following exerpt from the article will shed some light.> >> > Despite the setback, Roche's head of pharmaceuticals, Bill Burns, said> > Avastin could still sell 8 billion to 9 billion francs by 2011, simply> > in treating advanced metastatic cancers.> >> > Oleander is compatible with all types of conventional methods and if you> > should choose to go the Avastin route, I would encourage you to take> > Oleander. In fact, we encourage the use of Oleander regardless of the> > means implemented to address cancer. The only thing that Oleander is> > not compatible with is Protocel.> >> > I would also like to provide the following link with regard to side> > effects which you should read through carefully. Has your doctor> > mentioned these?> >> > http://www.drugs.com/avastin.html <http://www.drugs.com/avastin.html>> >> > Ann, have you considered just addressing your SNL's brain cancer> > naturally? Oleander is very effective against brain cancer as it passes> > the blood/brain barrier. Frankly, Avastin does not look very promising,> > not to mention that conventional methods do more to harm than good.> >> > Besides Oleander, you should incorporate The Natural Anti-Cancer> > Protocol </anticancer.htm> which addresses cancer> > from its source, a weakened immune system. In my opinion, this is the> > most effective way to address the cancer, actually, all types of cancer.> >> > My Best,> > > >> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 3, 2009 Report Share Posted August 3, 2009 Ann, My name is Darren and my son, Luke, has a pontine glioma brain tumor. He is currently on cetuximab infusions, which is a monoclonal antibody similar to Avastin. We use OPC now at 30 ml per day. Luke's oncologist checked into the ingredients, then left the decision to use it up to us (he couldn't endorse it, I guess). We follow another young boy who had an amazing tumor shrinkage using Avastin(bevacizumab). He is now almost 2 years from diagnosis, which is nothing short if miraculous with a pontine glioma (typical prognosis is 9-12 months with treatment). I hope this helps in your decision. Of course, they always recommend you run supplements by your doctor before using, but I am of the opinion that most supplements are natural, so there should be no problems. I certainly hope this combination gives your son-in-law's tumor it's eviction notice. Darren (Luke's dad) http://www.caringbridge.org/visit/lukepollok oleander soup , " ann42268 " <bcox242 wrote: > > Thanks so much for info on Berksons video. I will follow up on that. Have you > heard of Avastin, which was approved recently for brain cancer patients? My SNL > is scheduled to take this treatment, as it reduces tumor size. My question is,do > you, or can you take OPC along with conventional medical treatments?? I have > searched and can't find the answer. I am hoping he can take Avastin and OPC. > (because he is going to do what his Dr.'s recommend)If so, do you take the OPC > at a lower dose? > Thanks for any insight that you, or others, can give me. I have a real battle on > my hands, trying to get him to try alternative methods, which I know are much > more effective than what he has taken. > Thanks again, > Ann > > oleander soup , " cherylcampbell55 " <cheryl.s.campbell@> wrote: > > > > I'm glad the information came in handy Ann, and also pleased to hear that your son-in-law is doing well. > > > > Another thing I am researching (been a researcher all my life) is the work of Bert Berkson MD, you can Google his videos etc. and I also have a link for a conference he did in the UK in May. He uses Low Dose Naltrexone and Alpha Lipoic Acid (which crossed the brain barrier) to treat some cancers. > > > > Stay in touch, and I hope the good news continues. I am going through whole brain radiation at the moment. Finished 7, 3 left to go....hoping this will stop the growth and give me some time to use Oleander and a few other tricks to stabalize this thing. > > > > Cheryl > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 3, 2009 Report Share Posted August 3, 2009 Ann, The problem with GBM in particular is the aggressive nature of the tumor. It is a WHO grade 4 tumor, the worst of the worst. I know the natural route sounds like the best, but these methods, although I totally believe in many of them, are often slower that what conventional medicine can do. I want to include a link to a website of a GBM patient in the UK who uses a bit of a " shotgun " effect to treat her GBM, with much success. Here is a link to her site: http://www.jane.symons.com.au/links1.htm Secondly, I would recommend searching for a paper called " The Moss Report for Glioblastoma Multiforme " . This document is typically sold, but you can often find copies out there. It gives a rundown of practically every treatment, be it surgery, radiation, chemotherapy, alternative, or supplemental. It is extremely exhaustive, but is a must-read for any GBM patient. Again, I sure hope your son-in-law finds what works for his tumor. Darren (Luke's dad) oleander soup , " May " <luellamay129 wrote: > > Oh, bless your heart Ann. I understand completely and I do hope you are > able to convince him to address his cancer naturally. Maybe you can > point out that nothing has worked and that despite what the doctors > state, Avistan is a failure and comes with very dangerous side effects. > > We are here to support you Ann. > > Hugs, > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 4, 2009 Report Share Posted August 4, 2009 Tony, thank you so much for this wonderful information, as well as 's insightful input & valuable info. I am trying my best to help my SNL, despite his stubborn indifference. Looking for a big break thru!I know the time is NOW. Thank you both for so much " ammunition " ! I know God leads us to others who can help us in desperate situations. I know God has & will bless you both for all the tremendous help you give others. Yeah! is home and I know will totally recover, & be in better health than ever! Praying I will be effective! Hugs and blessings, Ann oleander soup , " Tony " wrote: >Thank you so much Tony for this wonderful information. I am in such a battle, trying to keep the peace, but still trying so hard to > > Oleander is compatible with every chemo drug I am aware of - though some > unkowing oncologists, such as the ones who recommend against taking > antioxidants during chemo, might differ because their approach is to > suppress the natural immune system and try to poison off the cancer > cells at the same time they poison off healthy cells in a race between > eliminating the cancer before they eliminate the patient. It is a race > they often lose and even when they don't, the cancer patient's major > organs (especially the liver) and immune system is so weakened and > impaired that the way is paved for the return of cancer with even less > natural immunity to fight it with. > > It is with very good reason, btw, that chemo drugs are themselves class > I carcinogens. > > Oleander, when used as a CAM along with chemo, both potentiates the > chemo and also either greatly lessens or eliminates virtually all known > side effects, including hair loss. The sole exception I am aware of is > that oleander does not eliminate hair loss when the chemo drug of choice > is Cisplatin. > > Two articles of mine you might wish to share with SNL are: > > Mo </MMvsNature.htm> dern Medicine versus Nature in > Treating Cancer </MMvsNature.htm> > > (/MMvsNature.htm > </MMvsNature.htm> ) > > Hiding the Truth about Losing the War on Cancer > <http://tbyil.com/waroncancer.htm> > > http://tbyil.com/waroncancer.htm <http://tbyil.com/waroncancer.htm> > > All the best, > > > > > oleander soup , " ann42268 " <bcox242@> wrote: > > > > , > > I agree with you and Tony 100% on this subject...my SNL, up to this > point, would just agree to conventional medicine (which the chemo & > radiation were a " treatment failure " .) Now, I think this might be the > time I can convince him to rethink alternative measures!! I am gathering > my info (loading my guns ) for my big push for him to use oleander and > more of Tony's Cancer Protocal!! I totally agree that Avistan is just > one more waste of $$ and his time here on earth.(he has GBM-stage 4) > > I just wanted to make SURE that he can take the oleander with Avistan, > if that is the best I can convince him to do. > > , thanks so much for more ammunition !! > > Ann > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 4, 2009 Report Share Posted August 4, 2009 I am praying you will be effective too Ann. However, sometimes people are set in their ways. Do the best you can. Even if he chooses to go the mainstream route, see if he will take Oleander and follow The Natural Anti-Cancer Protocol. At least some of it. Let me know how you do. Hugs, Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 4, 2009 Report Share Posted August 4, 2009 Darren, May I also suggest that you look into using marijuana oil (not hemp seed oil) for your son's tumor. Glioblastomas are very responsive to this and this particular oil has solid research behind it. Please go to http://www.phoenixtears.ca/ for more info. I don't know where you live, but if marijuana is legal you can do this yourself by becoming a medical marijuana patient. This coupled with oleander, IP6, colloidal silver and Tony's protocol would be a potent way to attack this disease. Good luck with whatever you decide. Bob - " Darren Pollok " <darrenpollok <oleander soup > Monday, August 03, 2009 3:12 PM Re: Suggestions > Ann, > > My name is Darren and my son, Luke, has a pontine glioma brain tumor. He > is currently on cetuximab infusions, which is a monoclonal antibody > similar to Avastin. We use OPC now at 30 ml per day. Luke's oncologist > checked into the ingredients, then left the decision to use it up to us > (he couldn't endorse it, I guess). > We follow another young boy who had an amazing tumor shrinkage using > Avastin(bevacizumab). He is now almost 2 years from diagnosis, which is > nothing short if miraculous with a pontine glioma (typical prognosis is > 9-12 months with treatment). > I hope this helps in your decision. Of course, they always recommend > you run supplements by your doctor before using, but I am of the opinion > that most supplements are natural, so there should be no problems. > I certainly hope this combination gives your son-in-law's tumor it's > eviction notice. > > Darren (Luke's dad) > http://www.caringbridge.org/visit/lukepollok > > > oleander soup , " ann42268 " <bcox242 wrote: >> >> Thanks so much for info on Berksons video. I will follow up on that. Have >> you >> heard of Avastin, which was approved recently for brain cancer patients? >> My SNL >> is scheduled to take this treatment, as it reduces tumor size. My >> question is,do >> you, or can you take OPC along with conventional medical treatments?? I >> have >> searched and can't find the answer. I am hoping he can take Avastin and >> OPC. >> (because he is going to do what his Dr.'s recommend)If so, do you take >> the OPC >> at a lower dose? >> Thanks for any insight that you, or others, can give me. I have a real >> battle on >> my hands, trying to get him to try alternative methods, which I know are >> much >> more effective than what he has taken. >> Thanks again, >> Ann >> >> oleander soup , " cherylcampbell55 " >> <cheryl.s.campbell@> wrote: >> > >> > I'm glad the information came in handy Ann, and also pleased to hear >> > that your son-in-law is doing well. >> > >> > Another thing I am researching (been a researcher all my life) is the >> > work of Bert Berkson MD, you can Google his videos etc. and I also have >> > a link for a conference he did in the UK in May. He uses Low Dose >> > Naltrexone and Alpha Lipoic Acid (which crossed the brain barrier) to >> > treat some cancers. >> > >> > Stay in touch, and I hope the good news continues. I am going through >> > whole brain radiation at the moment. Finished 7, 3 left to go....hoping >> > this will stop the growth and give me some time to use Oleander and a >> > few other tricks to stabalize this thing. >> > >> > Cheryl >> > > > > > --- > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 4, 2009 Report Share Posted August 4, 2009 Bob, I searched that website and could find nothing specific to gliomas or glioblastomas. If you could direct me to some articles proving the efficacy of hemp oil on gliomas, I would surely consider it (laws be damned). Thanks for the information. Darren (Luke's dad) oleander soup , " Bob Banever " <bbanever wrote: > > Darren, > > May I also suggest that you look into using marijuana oil (not hemp > seed oil) for your son's tumor. Glioblastomas are very responsive to this > and this particular oil has solid research behind it. Please go to > http://www.phoenixtears.ca/ for more info. I don't know where you live, > but if marijuana is legal you can do this yourself by becoming a medical > marijuana patient. This coupled with oleander, IP6, colloidal silver and > Tony's protocol would be a potent way to attack this disease. Good luck > with whatever you decide. > > Bob > - > " Darren Pollok " <darrenpollok > <oleander soup > > Monday, August 03, 2009 3:12 PM > Re: Suggestions > > > > Ann, > > > > My name is Darren and my son, Luke, has a pontine glioma brain tumor. He > > is currently on cetuximab infusions, which is a monoclonal antibody > > similar to Avastin. We use OPC now at 30 ml per day. Luke's oncologist > > checked into the ingredients, then left the decision to use it up to us > > (he couldn't endorse it, I guess). > > We follow another young boy who had an amazing tumor shrinkage using > > Avastin(bevacizumab). He is now almost 2 years from diagnosis, which is > > nothing short if miraculous with a pontine glioma (typical prognosis is > > 9-12 months with treatment). > > I hope this helps in your decision. Of course, they always recommend > > you run supplements by your doctor before using, but I am of the opinion > > that most supplements are natural, so there should be no problems. > > I certainly hope this combination gives your son-in-law's tumor it's > > eviction notice. > > > > Darren (Luke's dad) > > http://www.caringbridge.org/visit/lukepollok > > > > > > oleander soup , " ann42268 " <bcox242@> wrote: > >> > >> Thanks so much for info on Berksons video. I will follow up on that. Have > >> you > >> heard of Avastin, which was approved recently for brain cancer patients? > >> My SNL > >> is scheduled to take this treatment, as it reduces tumor size. My > >> question is,do > >> you, or can you take OPC along with conventional medical treatments?? I > >> have > >> searched and can't find the answer. I am hoping he can take Avastin and > >> OPC. > >> (because he is going to do what his Dr.'s recommend)If so, do you take > >> the OPC > >> at a lower dose? > >> Thanks for any insight that you, or others, can give me. I have a real > >> battle on > >> my hands, trying to get him to try alternative methods, which I know are > >> much > >> more effective than what he has taken. > >> Thanks again, > >> Ann > >> > >> oleander soup , " cherylcampbell55 " > >> <cheryl.s.campbell@> wrote: > >> > > >> > I'm glad the information came in handy Ann, and also pleased to hear > >> > that your son-in-law is doing well. > >> > > >> > Another thing I am researching (been a researcher all my life) is the > >> > work of Bert Berkson MD, you can Google his videos etc. and I also have > >> > a link for a conference he did in the UK in May. He uses Low Dose > >> > Naltrexone and Alpha Lipoic Acid (which crossed the brain barrier) to > >> > treat some cancers. > >> > > >> > Stay in touch, and I hope the good news continues. I am going through > >> > whole brain radiation at the moment. Finished 7, 3 left to go....hoping > >> > this will stop the growth and give me some time to use Oleander and a > >> > few other tricks to stabalize this thing. > >> > > >> > Cheryl > >> > > > > > > > > > > --- > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 4, 2009 Report Share Posted August 4, 2009 I have good news! My son-in-law asked me to order the oleander!!! I am so appreciative to all of you for supplying me with such powerful information, that I was able to convince him that oleander is a must if he is going to get well!! Now, the problem is to get some. Tony, I know you have posted that Utopia Silver will be the US distributor, which is so wonderful. I know you have put a lot of time and effort into making this happen! Thank you, from all of us! On the Utopia site, no mention yet as to availability. I read on Ask Tony-(Curezone) that it may be a couple of weeks still. Any update on the date? Should I just order from OPC..I think I read it takes 2-3 weeks, correct? Or does anyone in the US have some I could buy from them, to get him started quickly? Thank you all so much for your support and help!! Bless you all, Barbara Ann oleander soup , " ann42268 " <bcox242 wrote: > > Tony, thank you so much for this wonderful information, as well as 's insightful input & valuable info. I am trying my best to help my SNL, despite his stubborn indifference. > Looking for a big break thru!I know the time is NOW. > Thank you both for so much " ammunition " ! I know God leads us to others who can help us in desperate situations. > I know God has & will bless you both for all the tremendous help you give others. > Yeah! is home and I know will totally recover, & be in better health than ever! > Praying I will be effective! > Hugs and blessings, > Ann > > > > oleander soup , " Tony " @> wrote: > >Thank you so much Tony for this wonderful information. I am in such a battle, trying to keep the peace, but still trying so hard to > > > > Oleander is compatible with every chemo drug I am aware of - though some > > unkowing oncologists, such as the ones who recommend against taking > > antioxidants during chemo, might differ because their approach is to > > suppress the natural immune system and try to poison off the cancer > > cells at the same time they poison off healthy cells in a race between > > eliminating the cancer before they eliminate the patient. It is a race > > they often lose and even when they don't, the cancer patient's major > > organs (especially the liver) and immune system is so weakened and > > impaired that the way is paved for the return of cancer with even less > > natural immunity to fight it with. > > > > It is with very good reason, btw, that chemo drugs are themselves class > > I carcinogens. > > > > Oleander, when used as a CAM along with chemo, both potentiates the > > chemo and also either greatly lessens or eliminates virtually all known > > side effects, including hair loss. The sole exception I am aware of is > > that oleander does not eliminate hair loss when the chemo drug of choice > > is Cisplatin. > > > > Two articles of mine you might wish to share with SNL are: > > > > Mo </MMvsNature.htm> dern Medicine versus Nature in > > Treating Cancer </MMvsNature.htm> > > > > (/MMvsNature.htm > > </MMvsNature.htm> ) > > > > Hiding the Truth about Losing the War on Cancer > > <http://tbyil.com/waroncancer.htm> > > > > http://tbyil.com/waroncancer.htm <http://tbyil.com/waroncancer.htm> > > > > All the best, > > > > > > > > > > oleander soup , " ann42268 " <bcox242@> wrote: > > > > > > , > > > I agree with you and Tony 100% on this subject...my SNL, up to this > > point, would just agree to conventional medicine (which the chemo & > > radiation were a " treatment failure " .) Now, I think this might be the > > time I can convince him to rethink alternative measures!! I am gathering > > my info (loading my guns ) for my big push for him to use oleander and > > more of Tony's Cancer Protocal!! I totally agree that Avistan is just > > one more waste of $$ and his time here on earth.(he has GBM-stage 4) > > > I just wanted to make SURE that he can take the oleander with Avistan, > > if that is the best I can convince him to do. > > > , thanks so much for more ammunition !! > > > Ann > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 4, 2009 Report Share Posted August 4, 2009 Yay Barbara Ann! Wonderful news! We have a very small supply for emergencies and we should be able to tide you over until they become available through Utopia Silver which should be very shortly. I will send you an email with the particulars. Hugs, Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 6, 2009 Report Share Posted August 6, 2009 Darren, http://www.scienceblog.com/cms/node/3633 http://www.webmd.com/cancer/news/20040815/marijuana-stall-brain-tumor-growth There are others. IT WORKS. Bob - " Darren Pollok " <darrenpollok <oleander soup > Tuesday, August 04, 2009 9:05 AM Re: Suggestions > Bob, > > I searched that website and could find nothing specific to gliomas or > glioblastomas. If you could direct me to some articles proving the > efficacy of hemp oil on gliomas, I would surely consider it (laws be > damned). > Thanks for the information. > > Darren (Luke's dad) > > > > > oleander soup , " Bob Banever " <bbanever wrote: >> >> Darren, >> >> May I also suggest that you look into using marijuana oil (not >> hemp >> seed oil) for your son's tumor. Glioblastomas are very responsive to >> this >> and this particular oil has solid research behind it. Please go to >> http://www.phoenixtears.ca/ for more info. I don't know where you live, >> but if marijuana is legal you can do this yourself by becoming a medical >> marijuana patient. This coupled with oleander, IP6, colloidal silver and >> Tony's protocol would be a potent way to attack this disease. Good luck >> with whatever you decide. >> >> Bob >> - >> " Darren Pollok " <darrenpollok >> <oleander soup > >> Monday, August 03, 2009 3:12 PM >> Re: Suggestions >> >> >> > Ann, >> > >> > My name is Darren and my son, Luke, has a pontine glioma brain tumor. >> > He >> > is currently on cetuximab infusions, which is a monoclonal antibody >> > similar to Avastin. We use OPC now at 30 ml per day. Luke's >> > oncologist >> > checked into the ingredients, then left the decision to use it up to us >> > (he couldn't endorse it, I guess). >> > We follow another young boy who had an amazing tumor shrinkage using >> > Avastin(bevacizumab). He is now almost 2 years from diagnosis, which is >> > nothing short if miraculous with a pontine glioma (typical prognosis is >> > 9-12 months with treatment). >> > I hope this helps in your decision. Of course, they always recommend >> > you run supplements by your doctor before using, but I am of the >> > opinion >> > that most supplements are natural, so there should be no problems. >> > I certainly hope this combination gives your son-in-law's tumor it's >> > eviction notice. >> > >> > Darren (Luke's dad) >> > http://www.caringbridge.org/visit/lukepollok >> > >> > >> > oleander soup , " ann42268 " <bcox242@> wrote: >> >> >> >> Thanks so much for info on Berksons video. I will follow up on that. >> >> Have >> >> you >> >> heard of Avastin, which was approved recently for brain cancer >> >> patients? >> >> My SNL >> >> is scheduled to take this treatment, as it reduces tumor size. My >> >> question is,do >> >> you, or can you take OPC along with conventional medical treatments?? >> >> I >> >> have >> >> searched and can't find the answer. I am hoping he can take Avastin >> >> and >> >> OPC. >> >> (because he is going to do what his Dr.'s recommend)If so, do you take >> >> the OPC >> >> at a lower dose? >> >> Thanks for any insight that you, or others, can give me. I have a real >> >> battle on >> >> my hands, trying to get him to try alternative methods, which I know >> >> are >> >> much >> >> more effective than what he has taken. >> >> Thanks again, >> >> Ann >> >> >> >> oleander soup , " cherylcampbell55 " >> >> <cheryl.s.campbell@> wrote: >> >> > >> >> > I'm glad the information came in handy Ann, and also pleased to hear >> >> > that your son-in-law is doing well. >> >> > >> >> > Another thing I am researching (been a researcher all my life) is >> >> > the >> >> > work of Bert Berkson MD, you can Google his videos etc. and I also >> >> > have >> >> > a link for a conference he did in the UK in May. He uses Low Dose >> >> > Naltrexone and Alpha Lipoic Acid (which crossed the brain barrier) >> >> > to >> >> > treat some cancers. >> >> > >> >> > Stay in touch, and I hope the good news continues. I am going >> >> > through >> >> > whole brain radiation at the moment. Finished 7, 3 left to >> >> > go....hoping >> >> > this will stop the growth and give me some time to use Oleander and >> >> > a >> >> > few other tricks to stabalize this thing. >> >> > >> >> > Cheryl >> >> >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > --- >> > >> > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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